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***OFFICIAL*** 2012 Washington Redskins Season Thread (1 Viewer)

I really want to see the Cowboys beat the Saints this week. Would love to have the Division Championship decided in week 17 at FedEx.
It doesn't require the Cowboys beating the Saints. The tie breakers within a division are HTH, division record, and then common opponents. If Dallas beats Washington, they'll be tied HTH, tied at 4-2 in the division (assuming Washington beats Philly), and Dallas will have the common opponents tie breaker. So, good luck getting those tickets, Assani.NY can still win the division by winning their last two and Washington AND Dallas each losing one more.
It'd be pretty wild if nyg and Chi wins out and Dal/Wash goes to OT...then both teams would be eliminated with a tie, so if it got down to around 5:00 left in OT then both teams should start taking crazy chances.
Let's say this plays out. It's 4th and 30 from your own 10 yard line with 1:00 left in the game. You have no timeouts. Do you go for it and try to win or punt, play D, and basically give Dallas the finger?
Are you asking if the Redskins should purposely give up their chance to win the game so that New York can make the playoffs instead of Dallas?That's something only a homer would suggest...Shanahan could care less which team makes the playoffs if it's not his team.
Of course it's a homer suggestion and I understand Shanahan wouldn't think that way. Nor should he. I hate Dallas more than NY. I'm basically saying that I, as a fan, would have accepted missing out on the playoffs at that point. If the conversion rate would be 0.00001% chance (yeah, I made that number up), I wouldn't complain about a punt. In that scenario, the Redskins aren't going to win. They could try all they want, but it just isn't going to happen.Actually, now that I think about it, punting is probably their best path to victory. A fumbled return or a Romo turnover would be much more likely than a 4th down conversion.

I think I could play around with the details of the hypothetical to reach the point that "going for it" is the best path to the playoffs, but I'd still be ok with punting.
another really funny side effect of this would be that both teams would want the clock to move as slowly as possible....so both teams would want the offensive player to be able to get out of bounds instead of being tackled in bounds.
You're exactly right, and this whole scenario might be worth creating a separate thread about. It's very interesting. Let's say it's second or third and 10 with a minute left in OT and the Cowboys short of midfield, with no timeouts left. If the Dallas WR catches it in the field of play, but short of the first down, the Redskins DBs should escort him to the sideline.
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And in glamour news.

The victory also gave Cousins a chance to bask in the glow of being a winning starting NFL quarterback. His run of fame continued Wednesday when he showed up for a session with reporters with his mop of hair gone, replaced by a close-cut 'do that - from the eyebrows up - made him look at least 45 years old.

''I have to apologize to my family and friends back home,'' he said. ''I think I'm embarrassing them. I try to represent them well, and my haircut's not doing it.''

He then explained that when he went to get a haircut on Monday, he had a ''communication breakdown'' with a female barber whose English wasn't the best. She also took off his glasses, so he couldn't see what she was doing.

''She wheels me back around,'' Cousins said. ''I look at the mirror and I realized I had a Mohawk. So I tell her, 'Just shave it off. I don't know what to tell you.' So she just buzzed it off, and I have to live with this for the next couple of weeks until it grows back. ... The tough thing was that I didn't realize until that moment that I do have a receding hairline. That was tough to take. My dad is more-or-less completely bald, and I was hoping I wasn't going to get his genes.''

Cousins' remarks were televised live on national television, and soon he was trending on Twitter. Griffin called the haircut ''bad.'' Shortly afterward, Eagles quarterback Nick Foles was looking at a photo of the haircut on the Internet and discussing it on the phone with Redskins writers.

''Wow,'' Foles said. ''I'm going to have to do that to mine - cut it all off.''
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I have so much confidence in this team right now. I'm going to be totally crushed if they lose to Dallas and miss the playoffs.
I'm not feeling that way. I approach each game like they're a mediocre team playing way over their heads, and that every game is going to be a dogfight they could easily lose. "Mediocre teams playing over their heads" sometimes turn out to be just that, and other times turn out to be teams that have legitimately turned a corner and begun the ascent to "good team". Frankly I'm hoping they're the latter, and I think they probably are. But I go into each game they play thinking of the Panther and Steeler games earlier this year, and I'll be that way the rest of the season. I hope "the rest of the season" lasts a lot of games. The cool thing is, it might.
I can't help but feel the way I feel, and I'm with dgreen on this one- after the awesome week this past week with nyg losing and Skins winning with Cousins, my emotions are totally "convinced" that we are making the playoffs and it'll be a huge huge letdown if we don't.
You want to be responsible for tempting fate here?
Talk about tempting fate, I'm about to go online and reserve my home game playoff tickets.
All in favor of dgreen deleting this post and singing seven HTTRs? :hey:
Nah. This team doesn't depend on luck or fate. They just play.
 
Yeah, how can any Redskins fan go into games thinking they're going to win after the last 20 years?Just curious...do you keep Cousins next year or see what you can get for him? I'd like to keep him.
Because we realize that, despite what the non-rational part of our brains might tell us, failures from 15-20 years ago have literally nothing to do with the team that is playing today.I think that Cousins is so cheap and RG3 is so injury prone that it'd definitely be best to hold on to him until the final year of his contract and then trade him. If anything, his trade value should only increase as his sample size becomes bigger(assuming he can continue to play well obviously).
I guess I've just got the conditioning thing. Expect the worst, go full-Greatest American Hero if the best happens.If Griffin wasn't so vulnerable, I'd say shop Cousins for draft picks, but the way it looks now, he's just about the best backup imaginable. Short of somebody backing up a Brinks truck packed with draft picks, he's gotta keep him.
speaking of backing up the truck.with the reports today that jets are trading sanchez post season, they will be definition of a qb hungry team w/ immediate needs. sure maybe they go the vet route, but i wonder how much a team like the jets w/ their comparable recent history of dysfunction would pay for cousins? imean if shaub and his 6 starts or watever got what, 2 2nds and kold w/ limited starts got the iggles a 2nd? how much would cousins draw from a team like the jets?
 
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Washington Post:

Redskins right tackle Tyler Polumbus returned to practice Friday morning a day after sitting out as he recovered from a concussion suffered on Sunday against Cleveland.Redskins coach Mike Shanahan said on Thursday that Polumbus still had a chance to play on Sunday at Philadelphia, but that the fourth-year pro was still being monitored for concussion symptoms and hadn’t yet been cleared for contact.Polumbus’s return on Friday seems to indicate that he continues to make progress. Shanahan will provide further updates following practice.Robert Griffin III (knee) and center Will Montgomery (knee) also practiced Friday during the portion of the session open to reporters wereLinebackers London Fletcher, who has been limited by an ankle injury, and Lorenzo Alexander, who suffered a shoulder injury on Sunday, were not seen during the early portion of practice.
 
Can't shake the feeling of this being a trap game. I do miss feeling nervous in December though. Been a long time.

 
Can't shake the feeling of this being a trap game. I do miss feeling nervous in December though. Been a long time.
It's true if the Redskins don't play well, they can lose this game. But...This is where you have to tell yourself: "If I can think this is a trap game, the Redskins can also think it's a trap game too."And they just have to respond accordingly. They have been saying all the right things about taking each game one at a time, how each game must be treated as a must win...now they need to just keep that mindset.
 
Can't shake the feeling of this being a trap game. I do miss feeling nervous in December though. Been a long time.
There's no such thing as "trap games" in week 16. The Redskins have been playing must win football for the last 5 games in a row. They're not taking the foot off the gas now. All that being said, there's the "any given Sunday" element to the NFL...so yeah, the skins could drop a deuce in the punch bowl against the eagles BUT it's not going to be because they're over looking them.
 
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Just realized this today when doing some draft pick research out of curiosity...hope it hasn't been posted before:When the Redskins traded McNabb, they got a 6th round pick in 2012. They turned that into Alfred Morris.When the Redskins traded Jason Campbell, they got a 4th round pick in 2012. They turned that into Kirk Cousins.To get Donovan McNabb in the first place, they only gave up picks that turned into Nate Allen (Safety for the Eagles) and Luke Stocker (Tight End for the Bucs [Philly traded the pick]).Doesn't look so terrible in hind-sight given the pounding Shanahan took for acquiring McNabb.Wonder what Shanny will turn the 5th rounder from NE for Haynesworth into... :popcorn:Most recent news on Allen:

Eagles FS Nate Allen has lost his starting job.The Eagles will start hard-charging yet untalented Kurt Coleman at free safety and special teams ace Colt Anderson at strong safety. It's a striking indictment of Allen, the Eagles' second-round pick in 2010. Upgrading the safety position will be a top priority for GM Howie Roseman this offseason.
 
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All that being said, there's the "any given Sunday" element to the NFL...so yeah, the skins could drop a deuce in the punch bowl against the eagles BUT it's not going to be because they're over looking them.
If the Redskins get out to an early lead then I think the chances of the Eagles reverting to form and starting to turn the ball over will happen. But if the Skins turn it over once or twice in the first half they may be in trouble. A bad team (like the Eagles have been this year) will feed off that at home. And don't forget the Eagles have some very fast players on offense besides Vick (benched) who have given the Skins defense trouble in the past.I figure Albert Morris will be running early and often, and pretty successfully.
 
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Man, I was super confident about today but all the late line movement is favoring Philly(meaning the super sharp sports bettors are hammering Philly). The line was up to -7(-108) two days ago and now its all the way down to -4.5(-102)

 
Just realized this today when doing some draft pick research out of curiosity...hope it hasn't been posted before:When the Redskins traded McNabb, they got a 6th round pick in 2012. They turned that into Alfred Morris.When the Redskins traded Jason Campbell, they got a 4th round pick in 2012. They turned that into Kirk Cousins.To get Donovan McNabb in the first place, they only gave up picks that turned into Nate Allen (Safety for the Eagles) and Luke Stocker (Tight End for the Bucs [Philly traded the pick]).Doesn't look so terrible in hind-sight given the pounding Shanahan took for acquiring McNabb.Wonder what Shanny will turn the 5th rounder from NE for Haynesworth into... :popcorn:Most recent news on Allen:

Eagles FS Nate Allen has lost his starting job.The Eagles will start hard-charging yet untalented Kurt Coleman at free safety and special teams ace Colt Anderson at strong safety. It's a striking indictthat's. of Allen, the Eagles' second-round pick in 2010. Upgrading the safety position will be a top priority for GM Howie Roseman this offseason.
although its nice to see the skins turning late picks into quality players that's just an example of Philly crapping themselves.
 
So with Dallas losing, what needs to happen to lock up either the division or a playoff spot this week? :popcorn:

oh and thanks Ed Hochuli!

 
Since Minnesota won, they can't clinch today.

They can still get in with a loss to Dallas, but that would kind of suck.

 
Yes, root for the Ravens and Cardinals. If the Giants, Bears, and Vikings each lose one more game, the Redskins clinch a playoff spot. Vikings won today, so they'd need to lose next week against against GB (who might be resting players if they aren't fighting for the 2 seed with SF).

The Cowboys game right now isn't all that important to the Redskins' playoff chances. I assume it is relevant to Dallas' wild card chances. If they win and NY loses, the Giants are eliminated from the playoffs.

 
The Seahawks losing their last two would also help Washington.

Most likely, the Dallas game will be the night game, so the picture should be very clear at kickoff. Ideally, they'd enter the game knowing they are in the playoffs and playing for the division (and a home playoff game).

 
Congrats on a huge win.So what has been the biggest difference between the 3-6 Redskins and the 9-6 Redskins?
Good question. I'd have to go with execution and confidence. Several beat reporters have been saying recently that Shanahan really believed this was a good team and was really angry with them when they fell to 3-6. Their losses early in the year were games where they repeatedly were burnt deep for TDs and made drive-killing drops and penalties. I think all of those those things have really decreased recently. When they are executing, the offense is unstoppable and the defense is workable. They had good timing when they faced a reeling Eagles team to get their 4th win. They blew them out and then followed that up with a win in Dallas on Thanksgiving, which is when I think their confidence grew.
 
Congrats on a huge win.So what has been the biggest difference between the 3-6 Redskins and the 9-6 Redskins?
some will say the rushing combo of the dynamic duo alf and bobby griff, something like 9000 yards rushing. :P to me, the biggest difference is the plus/minus in turnovers compared to last yr.
 
Yes, root for the Ravens and Cardinals. If the Giants, Bears, and Vikings each lose one more game, the Redskins clinch a playoff spot. Vikings won today, so they'd need to lose next week against against GB (who might be resting players if they aren't fighting for the 2 seed with SF).The Cowboys game right now isn't all that important to the Redskins' playoff chances. I assume it is relevant to Dallas' wild card chances. If they win and NY loses, the Giants are eliminated from the playoffs.
Thanks. Seems like the 49ers and Packers will be battling for the #2 seed no matter what happens tonight with SF. If SF loses, GB would still need to win next week to secure the #2 seed.
 
Yes, root for the Ravens and Cardinals. If the Giants, Bears, and Vikings each lose one more game, the Redskins clinch a playoff spot. Vikings won today, so they'd need to lose next week against against GB (who might be resting players if they aren't fighting for the 2 seed with SF).The Cowboys game right now isn't all that important to the Redskins' playoff chances. I assume it is relevant to Dallas' wild card chances. If they win and NY loses, the Giants are eliminated from the playoffs.
Thanks. Seems like the 49ers and Packers will be battling for the #2 seed no matter what happens tonight with SF. If SF loses, GB would still need to win next week to secure the #2 seed.
You're right. Looks like GB will need the win next week to get the 2nd seed.I read earlier today that Fox and NBC were fighting over who gets Dallas-Washington next week. I'd guess MIN-GB could be the game moved to NBC if Fox wins that fight and we wouldn't know the Vikings result.
 
I'm confused, with Dallas losing they are 5-6 in the Conference. The Redskins are 7-4 if the Redskins lose next week, they would both be tied at 4-2 in the division. How do the Cowboys win the East that way?

 
I'm confused, with Dallas losing they are 5-6 in the Conference. The Redskins are 7-4 if the Redskins lose next week, they would both be tied at 4-2 in the division. How do the Cowboys win the East that way?
The third tiebreaker for the division (after HTH and division record) is common opponents. Dallas has the better record against common opponents.
 
Huge win today! :thumbup:

Wanted to ask you guys...how do you think Griffin looked mobility-wise today? Obviously, they didn't dial up many runs for him. In fact, I only counted one time when he ran, and he really just kind of took it easy jogging to the sidelines. Obviously, he was able to throw it effectively enough.

However, what I'm a bit concerned about: if Griffin is not as mobile as he's recovering, and if they don't call ANY plays with him running out of that pistol set...I wonder if that will mean Dallas (or another team if they make the playoffs), will just stack it against Morris and that will seriously limit what is special about RGIII, which is the threat that he can take it himself -- a threat that not only helps him but also opens holes for Morris.

I'm just wondering how long it will really take until RGIII is back to himself and confident enough to play as he has all year. The games are going to get tougher and even though we don't need him personally to run a lot, we do need the realistic THREAT of him running...

 
Huge win today! :thumbup: Wanted to ask you guys...how do you think Griffin looked mobility-wise today? Obviously, they didn't dial up many runs for him. In fact, I only counted one time when he ran, and he really just kind of took it easy jogging to the sidelines. Obviously, he was able to throw it effectively enough.However, what I'm a bit concerned about: if Griffin is not as mobile as he's recovering, and if they don't call ANY plays with him running out of that pistol set...I wonder if that will mean Dallas (or another team if they make the playoffs), will just stack it against Morris and that will seriously limit what is special about RGIII, which is the threat that he can take it himself -- a threat that not only helps him but also opens holes for Morris.I'm just wondering how long it will really take until RGIII is back to himself and confident enough to play as he has all year. The games are going to get tougher and even though we don't need him personally to run a lot, we do need the realistic THREAT of him running...
He looked ok avoiding pressure, but he did pull up on that one run. Not sure if that was just him taking it easy or if he simply couldn't turn it on there. I agree it would be a concern if he can't run near full speed. If he can't and a defense gambles that he can't, then the offense could be very different.After his injury, doctors were being interviewed and were saying that it was a 3-4 week injury in terms of fully recovering. The Dallas game will be 3 weeks and a potential Wild Card game would be 4 weeks.
 
Huge win today! :thumbup: Wanted to ask you guys...how do you think Griffin looked mobility-wise today? Obviously, they didn't dial up many runs for him. In fact, I only counted one time when he ran, and he really just kind of took it easy jogging to the sidelines. Obviously, he was able to throw it effectively enough.However, what I'm a bit concerned about: if Griffin is not as mobile as he's recovering, and if they don't call ANY plays with him running out of that pistol set...I wonder if that will mean Dallas (or another team if they make the playoffs), will just stack it against Morris and that will seriously limit what is special about RGIII, which is the threat that he can take it himself -- a threat that not only helps him but also opens holes for Morris.I'm just wondering how long it will really take until RGIII is back to himself and confident enough to play as he has all year. The games are going to get tougher and even though we don't need him personally to run a lot, we do need the realistic THREAT of him running...
He didn't look like himself. When will he be back? No way to know for sure. Hopefully the knee responded well and keeps healing. There's a chance that it swells up and he's back to the same health level as this time last week. As a fan, it would be nice to know these things, but I doubt we really find out. If we get flexed to the night game and the Vikings lose, should we roll with Cousins and let RG3 heal up some more?
 
How about a scenario where if the Redskins win they then host Dallas in the Wild Card game, and vice versa.

 
Congrats on a huge win.So what has been the biggest difference between the 3-6 Redskins and the 9-6 Redskins?
A bunch of new players learning on the job and improving --- Griffin and Morris are really quite talented but they couldn't come right in, know the whole offense, execute it perfectly right from scratch. The other offensive players had to get used to what to expect from those 2 also.A greater willingness to play young players by Shanahan --- Far more than any other year he's been here, Shanahan has had rookies and young players in on critical game situations and it has paid off.Haslett giving up his all-or-nothing blitzes --- Those blitzes yielded so many big pass plays early in the year that good efforts by the offense were wasted in losses. The defense since then has changed to more of a "contain them, make them work the ball down the field" style with good results. They're still not a good defense but they aren't sinking the team now.2 weeks off during the bye --- During that time the players and head coach had time to talk over how good they really were or were not, what they needed to work on, and to make sure they were all on the same page about the team and each other. They are, finally. Griffin set an awesome example going into the bye week by saying only that he was going to come back a better player when it was over. This is the first Shanahan year they haven't come out of the bye week looking like roadkill.Growing confidence --- they watch other guys on their team, both the 'heroes' and the unsung guys, make critical plays in games they win, and they have more faith in each other and in themselves.Offensive playcalling --- Every week the offense is different. That's due to Kyle Shanahan creating the offense around what his players do well, due to him having confidence his players can do what he calls, and due to him knowing where to attack the other teams. The bomb to Victor Cruz still sticks in my craw. They had that game won and they knew it, and they blew it. I would bet it stuck in the craw of a lot of players and coaches as well.Damn they're fun to watch now.
 
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How about a scenario where if the Redskins win they then host Dallas in the Wild Card game, and vice versa.
Not possible, I dont think Dallas can be a Wildcard team.
Oh, right, that would mean they're 8-8. And, for some reason, I was thinking the Redskins would be matched up against the 6th seed, but they won't. They'll play the 5th seed if they win the division. That would likely be Seattle, which would be a tough matchup. Seattle has knocked the Redskins out of their last two playoff appearances.
 
It'd be pretty wild if nyg and Chi wins out and Dal/Wash goes to OT...then both teams would be eliminated with a tie, so if it got down to around 5:00 left in OT then both teams should start taking crazy chances.
Now we have a scenario where Washington wins the division with a tie. So, you could have Washington taking a knee even while in FG range if they have the ball at the end of OT.
 
How about a scenario where if the Redskins win they then host Dallas in the Wild Card game, and vice versa.
Not possible, I dont think Dallas can be a Wildcard team.
Oh, right, that would mean they're 8-8. And, for some reason, I was thinking the Redskins would be matched up against the 6th seed, but they won't. They'll play the 5th seed if they win the division. That would likely be Seattle, which would be a tough matchup. Seattle has knocked the Redskins out of their last two playoff appearances.
And if the Vikings and Redskins both lose, Skins play Cowboys at either SF or Green Bay?
 
How about a scenario where if the Redskins win they then host Dallas in the Wild Card game, and vice versa.
Not possible, I dont think Dallas can be a Wildcard team.
Oh, right, that would mean they're 8-8. And, for some reason, I was thinking the Redskins would be matched up against the 6th seed, but they won't. They'll play the 5th seed if they win the division. That would likely be Seattle, which would be a tough matchup. Seattle has knocked the Redskins out of their last two playoff appearances.
And if the Vikings and Redskins both lose, Skins play Cowboys at either SF or Green Bay?
For the wildcard, Redskins need at least two of Chicago, Minnesota, or Seattle to be 9-7. Redskins hold tiebreakers over all of them.And, yes, it would be a road game in Green Bay or San Francisco.ETA: If all three of those teams fall to 9-7 and Washington is 9-7, then they'd be the 5th seed and go to Dallas. I think.
 
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opening lines:

Sun 12/30 313 Philadelphia Eagles +9.5 -104

10:00 AM 314 New York Giants -9.5 -104

Sun 12/30 315 Dallas Cowboys +3.5 -108

10:00 AM 316 Washington Redskins -3.5 +

Sun 12/30 317 Chicago Bears -3 +101

10:00 AM 318 Detroit Lions +3 -109

Sun 12/30 319 Green Bay Packers -3 -113

10:00 AM 320 Minnesota Vikings +3 +104

 
This Dallas game worries me. They have been playing well. Our D is going to need to play our of their minds!!
Every game since the bye week has worried me so it's nothing new. I'm not worried any more about the Cowboys game than any other game. I'm excited as ####. Finally there's something real to win in the last game of the year.
 
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Remember this?http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000102173/article/victor-cruz-of-giants-says-redskins-not-yet-contenders

The New York Giants can essentially wrap up the NFC East on "Monday Night Football" this week with a win over the 5-6 Washington Redskins. Robert Griffin III has made Washington one of the toughest teams in the league to prepare for, but he's only one man.Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz says the Redskins need a few more."They're still a couple pieces away from actually being a contender, them being in legitimate talks for playoffs and things like that," Cruz said on a conference call Wednesday via the Star-Ledger. "They're still a few pieces away whether it be defensively or wherever they are missing some pieces. But I think they've definitely -- they've got to be in the conversation. They've got a good team, they play good football, they hold the ball for a long time, and they really do some good things. So I definitely put them in that conversation, for sure."We don't see Cruz's words as trash talk. He was asked a question and answered it honestly. The Redskinsare a few pieces away, especially on defense.Cruz and the Giants are the big brothers in the NFC East because of their two Super Bowl rings. Cruz says the team is in "prime position" to make another title run.The Redskins have been the worst team in the division on balance for more than a decade. It will take some high-profile wins by Washington -- like on Monday night -- to change that.
 

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