****Official 2014 Chicago Bears Thread **** (1 Viewer)

[twistd]

Blah, blah, blah.

Defending Super Bowl Champs are at 3-3 and just lost to the Rams.

And they had players punching each other in the locker room. Before winning the Super Bowl.

I'm curious about what this is supposed to mean. The Seahawks are not nearly as good as they were last year. Are they concerned? Absolutely, they lost a number of players on that defense. They still are very, very tough at home. They lost to Dallas who might be the best team in the NFC right now. I do think that the Seahawks are going to have a battle to make the playoffs. Arizona and SF are really good, and St Louis obviously, can be dangerous.

The Bears are 3-4. They are 0-3 at home. They are about to go to New England. They will very likely lose that game and go in to their bye at 3-5. After their bye they have to go to Lambeau. The Bears got crushed by the Packers at Soldier Field. I'd say very little chance they win that game. So now you are 3-6. They have to play at Detroit in week 13 and then they play Dallas in week 14. As I said, Dallas is playing very, very well. As things stand I would expect them to lose both of those games. So that is 8 losses. You aren't getting in to the playoffs at 8-8. And you are only 8-8 if you win all your other games.

Right now the Bears are the third best team in their own division. And Minnestoa isn't all that far behind the Bears. When Cutler is on they can beat anyone. But when Cutler throws interceptions, they lose. Cutler has thrown interceptions in four of seven games. And two of the games the Bears won were against the Jets and the Falcons. Those are two of the worst teams in the NFL. The only good win they have this season is the Niners win. And then three of the next five weeks you have to go to New England, Green Bay, and Detroit. Those three teams are all 5-2.

And now Fuller, the only above average player in your secondary, is hurt. There isn't a whole lot to be optimistic about at this point as far as I can see.

 

[RBM]

Good win at SF that probably wouldn't have been a win if not for the Niners just about breaking the single game all time penalty record.

 

[flapgreen]

Seattle isn't worried.

 

[twistd]

Seattle isn't worried.

I disagree. Their division is tough. The Niners and Cards are good. The Seahawks defense was dominant, even on the road, last year. They aren't playing nearly as well this year. They look much more ordinary on the road. Their remaining road schedule includes trips to Carolina, Kansas City, San Fran, AZ, and Philly. That is not easy at all. I still think they make the playoffs, but it isn't going to be easy.

 

[flapgreen]

The defending champs are 3-3 and had a sub par first few games. 49ers are not as good as last year and the Cards are no real threat to them. I don't see it

 

[KCitons]

The defending champs are 3-3 and had a sub par first few games. 49ers are not as good as last year and the Cards are no real threat to them. I don't see it

So, you're saying they lost some games they were supposed to win? Sounds like every team in the NFL. (except the Jags)

 

[twistd]

The defending champs are 3-3 and had a sub par first few games. 49ers are not as good as last year and the Cards are no real threat to them. I don't see it

I don't think the Seahawks are as good as last year. They have won two really tough games, beating Green Bay and Denver. And two of their losses were to San Diego and Dallas who are two really good teams. So maybe you are right. But last year they didn't lose their third game until week 16. This year it only took until week 7. That is reason for concern in my mind. They are much more dangerous if they have homefield advantage in the playoffs. It is gonna be tough for them to get homefield advantage.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

they are who we thought they were

 

[flapgreen]

they are who we thought they were

You are who we thought you were.

 

[flapgreen]

And Tim Jennings is terrible, along with that waste of money Lamar Houston.

 

[twistd]

As much as we dump on Mel Tucker, the thing to realize is that the Bears defense has improved. They certainly aren't dominant, but they are middle of the pack. We all just wanted middle of the pack when last year they were bottom three. We thought that if the defense could just be adequate the offense would win games. But the problems is the offense, that was top three last year, is middle of the pack now.

Trestman was supposed to fix Cutler. I don't think he can do that. So this experiment has failed. Maybe Trestman just isn't cut out to be a head coach. I think the fault lies more with Cutler than it does Trestman, at least as far as the QB play goes. But with his contract situation Cutler isn't going anywhere. So my guess is that if Trestman survives this offseason he won't survive the next. Cutler is like Jeff George light. Oh well, at least they aren't the Raiders.

 

[Wrigley]

It's getting ugly, fast

 

[RBM]

Trestman was supposed to fix Cutler. I don't think he can do that. So this experiment has failed. Maybe Trestman just isn't cut out to be a head coach. I think the fault lies more with Cutler than it does Trestman, at least as far as the QB play goes. But with his contract situation Cutler isn't going anywhere. So my guess is that if Trestman survives this offseason he won't survive the next. Cutler is like Jeff George light. Oh well, at least they aren't the Raiders.

Yup...Cutler proving to be a coach killer. That's why I'd love to see Clausen play. I just want that last bit of evidence that confirms Trestman is a good qb coach and Cutler is not coachable.

 

[flapgreen]

Time to move on from the Shea experiment as well. Chalk it up as another blown draft pick like Carimi.

 

[twistd]

Time to move on from the Shea experiment as well. Chalk it up as another blown draft pick like Carimi.

I think McClellin will end up being a designated pass rusher in a 3-4 defense. That is really all he can do.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I know facts do not matter to knuckleheads like flap...

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11735394

 

[flapgreen]

I know facts do not matter to knuckleheads like flap...

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11735394

No one with any knowledge of the Bears thought this was a big deal. Wrong thread. And you're the only dude around here ignoring facts.

 

[twistd]

I know facts do not matter to knuckleheads like flap...

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11735394

They may claim that what Marshall had to say was not about Cutler, and maybe it wasn't. I'm glad Marshall popped off. Someone should. What happened in the game was unacceptable. Most of the fans would agree with Marshall. It is nice to hear a player say what the fans are thinking, instead of hearing coach platitudes. This is the point when teams have players only meetings. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We will see this next week if it has any effect. My guess is that emotion isn't enough to help them beat the Patriots.

 

[mbuehner]

Ryan is a definite upgrade over Tucker but I still prefer Singletary and think he's a better fit with the Bears.

Cant tell if serious...

I am. I think he'd be a very good DC. You don't apparently.

What makes you think that when he's never been one?

1. He knows good defenses. He was part of one of the best Ds in NFL history and learned from Buddy Ryan.2. If I recall correctly he had a good D in SF when he served as head coach there.

3. He has the passion needed for this D.

4. Relatively speaking, he can't be worse than Tucker.

From everything i've heard Singletary is a walking clown show. He never had anything to do with x's and o's as a coach, and his stint in SF he was basically a mascot. And he pulled his pants down in the locker room.

Its one thing to know a position intimately, but that doesnt mean you can understand entire defenses, much less coaching a whole team. Brian Urlacher had incredible middle linebacker smarts too, but i don't see him as a guy who could coach a little league team.

 

[iamkoza]

marshall is what he is... he got paid before the season and he probably feels he can act like a mental patient again since he got his money already... he's done this to 2 other teams already in his career...

 

[flapgreen]

marshall is what he is... he got paid before the season and he probably feels he can act like a mental patient again since he got his money already... he's done this to 2 other teams already in his career...

ok

 

[flapgreen]

Some good notes on last week's game.

http://m.chicagofootball.com/photos/2014/10/21/85380791/index.xml

 

[mbuehner]

Some good notes on last week's game.

http://m.chicagofootball.com/photos/2014/10/21/85380791/index.xml

Whats frustrating for me is im used to the Bears overachieving given their overall talent, and this team is underachieving. And over a couple of years where the division is shaky.

 

[Mister Martie]

https://vine.co/v/ObnIw26WPii

 

[DaveL]

https://vine.co/v/ObnIw26WPii

 

[flapgreen]

Coaching staff should all be on the hot seat as this season goes along. The team had high expectations with a lot of talent and completely tanked. Mediocrity at its finest

 

[drizzle]

I hate being a bears fan

 

[RBM]

Way to compete guys

 

[Widbil83]

The defense stinks, but its also been criminal how Cutler has ran this offense. Can't wait to stream the score and listen to Doug Buffone explode after the game.

 

[drizzle]

Please lose out and draft mariota or something. Tired of cutler

 

[Power Monster]

Coaching staff should all be on the hot seat as this season goes along. The team had high expectations with a lot of talent and completely tanked. Mediocrity at its finest

Hot seat? They absolutely need to get rid of all of this mess - Emery to every coordinator and start over. They are stuck with this sally at QB. This clown is going to set this team back years. Denver knew what they were doing getting rid of this dolt. I cannot even put into words other than to say that this is about the absolute worthless and crappiest Bears team that I have ever seen. NE is dragging them over the coals YET AGAIN! Since that 85 Super Bowl LOOK at the direction of the Patriots and the Bears.

 

[-X-]

Ladies and Gentlemen, your LAST PLACE Chicago Bears.

 

[flapgreen]

Embarrassment of a franchise

 

[Sweetness_34]

So we are blaming Cutler again when this D gave us no chance today? This D just does not have the depth after losing Briggs; Tillman; Bostic and now Fuller....hopefully we can get another stud on D (either Safety or LB) in the first round.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I know facts do not matter to knuckleheads like flap...

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11735394

They may claim that what Marshall had to say was not about Cutler, and maybe it wasn't. I'm glad Marshall popped off. Someone should. What happened in the game was unacceptable. Most of the fans would agree with Marshall. It is nice to hear a player say what the fans are thinking, instead of hearing coach platitudes. This is the point when teams have players only meetings. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We will see this next week if it has any effect. My guess is that emotion isn't enough to help them beat the Patriots.

I agree I am glad Marshall spoke up. No issues with that. This team just does not have the depth yet on D to compete. One more offseason that needs additions at LB and Safety and we can contend next year. Despite all this, the Bears should be 5-3 right now. They shot themselves in the foot against Car and Buff.

 

[flapgreen]

I know facts do not matter to knuckleheads like flap...

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11735394

They may claim that what Marshall had to say was not about Cutler, and maybe it wasn't. I'm glad Marshall popped off. Someone should. What happened in the game was unacceptable. Most of the fans would agree with Marshall. It is nice to hear a player say what the fans are thinking, instead of hearing coach platitudes. This is the point when teams have players only meetings. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We will see this next week if it has any effect. My guess is that emotion isn't enough to help them beat the Patriots.

I agree I am glad Marshall spoke up. No issues with that. This team just does not have the depth yet on D to compete. One more offseason that needs additions at LB and Safety and we can contend next year. Despite all this, the Bears should be 5-3 right now. They shot themselves in the foot against Car and Buff.

Lol. Let's just forget how you called everyone morons and knuckleheads for doubting the Bears a few weeks ago. No big deal. We can contend next year. Never happened.

 

[Mister Martie]

Came out completely unprepared....again. Same ####, different game.

 

[flapgreen]

Houston having MRI tomorrow. Feared season ending injury. Did nothing all year. Injures himself celebrating a meaningless sack against the backup. Sums up the entire team.

 

[Donnybrook]

Coaching staff should all be on the hot seat as this season goes along. The team had high expectations with a lot of talent and completely tanked. Mediocrity at its finest

Karma

 

[twistd]

I know facts do not matter to knuckleheads like flap...

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11735394

They may claim that what Marshall had to say was not about Cutler, and maybe it wasn't. I'm glad Marshall popped off. Someone should. What happened in the game was unacceptable. Most of the fans would agree with Marshall. It is nice to hear a player say what the fans are thinking, instead of hearing coach platitudes. This is the point when teams have players only meetings. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We will see this next week if it has any effect. My guess is that emotion isn't enough to help them beat the Patriots.

I agree I am glad Marshall spoke up. No issues with that. This team just does not have the depth yet on D to compete. One more offseason that needs additions at LB and Safety and we can contend next year. Despite all this, the Bears should be 5-3 right now. They shot themselves in the foot against Car and Buff.

The problem here isn't the defense. The defense is very ordinary. They need more talent. We all knew that going in to the season. But the offense was supposed to carry this team. They are not getting it done. Cutler is a major cause, but I don't think Jeffrey or Marshall are playing all that well. Josh Morgan and Holmes are absolutely useless. I think the o-line is not playing nearly as well as they did last year. Bennett and Forte are playing lights out, but the rest of the offense is really underwhelming.

You can say that they could have won the Carolina and Buffalo games. But they could have easily lost the SF game. They could be 2-6 at this point. This is a bad team and there is no quick fix.

 

[RBM]

I've never wanted to see a player benched as badly as I want to see Cutler benched right now.

He DOES NOT give us the best chance to win....ever.

 

[Power Monster]

I know facts do not matter to knuckleheads like flap...

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11735394

They may claim that what Marshall had to say was not about Cutler, and maybe it wasn't. I'm glad Marshall popped off. Someone should. What happened in the game was unacceptable. Most of the fans would agree with Marshall. It is nice to hear a player say what the fans are thinking, instead of hearing coach platitudes. This is the point when teams have players only meetings. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We will see this next week if it has any effect. My guess is that emotion isn't enough to help them beat the Patriots.

I agree I am glad Marshall spoke up. No issues with that. This team just does not have the depth yet on D to compete. One more offseason that needs additions at LB and Safety and we can contend next year. Despite all this, the Bears should be 5-3 right now. They shot themselves in the foot against Car and Buff.

The problem here isn't the defense. The defense is very ordinary. They need more talent. We all knew that going in to the season. But the offense was supposed to carry this team. They are not getting it done. Cutler is a major cause, but I don't think Jeffrey or Marshall are playing all that well. Josh Morgan and Holmes are absolutely useless. I think the o-line is not playing nearly as well as they did last year. Bennett and Forte are playing lights out, but the rest of the offense is really underwhelming.

You can say that they could have won the Carolina and Buffalo games. But they could have easily lost the SF game. They could be 2-6 at this point. This is a bad team and there is no quick fix.

They lack talent because they cannot evaluate when they strategically plan a draft. We need GM choices that can make an impact.

 

[twistd]

I know facts do not matter to knuckleheads like flap...

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11735394

They may claim that what Marshall had to say was not about Cutler, and maybe it wasn't. I'm glad Marshall popped off. Someone should. What happened in the game was unacceptable. Most of the fans would agree with Marshall. It is nice to hear a player say what the fans are thinking, instead of hearing coach platitudes. This is the point when teams have players only meetings. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We will see this next week if it has any effect. My guess is that emotion isn't enough to help them beat the Patriots.

I agree I am glad Marshall spoke up. No issues with that. This team just does not have the depth yet on D to compete. One more offseason that needs additions at LB and Safety and we can contend next year. Despite all this, the Bears should be 5-3 right now. They shot themselves in the foot against Car and Buff.

The problem here isn't the defense. The defense is very ordinary. They need more talent. We all knew that going in to the season. But the offense was supposed to carry this team. They are not getting it done. Cutler is a major cause, but I don't think Jeffrey or Marshall are playing all that well. Josh Morgan and Holmes are absolutely useless. I think the o-line is not playing nearly as well as they did last year. Bennett and Forte are playing lights out, but the rest of the offense is really underwhelming.

You can say that they could have won the Carolina and Buffalo games. But they could have easily lost the SF game. They could be 2-6 at this point. This is a bad team and there is no quick fix.

They lack talent because they cannot evaluate when they strategically plan a draft. We need GM choices that can make an impact.

Truth is the defense started with no talent. They are improved. It looks like Fuller can play. It looks like Sutton and Ferguson might be alright. Willie Young has looked good. There is some talent in the d-line group. But the LBs aren't very good, and other than Fuller the secondary is a wasteland. The defense has a long way to go. Emery has picked up quite a few players who have improved this defense. It is a long way from a dominant group. Brady just embarrassed them. The way Brady played today he would have embarrassed a lot of teams.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I know facts do not matter to knuckleheads like flap...

http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=11735394

They may claim that what Marshall had to say was not about Cutler, and maybe it wasn't. I'm glad Marshall popped off. Someone should. What happened in the game was unacceptable. Most of the fans would agree with Marshall. It is nice to hear a player say what the fans are thinking, instead of hearing coach platitudes. This is the point when teams have players only meetings. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. We will see this next week if it has any effect. My guess is that emotion isn't enough to help them beat the Patriots.

I agree I am glad Marshall spoke up. No issues with that. This team just does not have the depth yet on D to compete. One more offseason that needs additions at LB and Safety and we can contend next year. Despite all this, the Bears should be 5-3 right now. They shot themselves in the foot against Car and Buff.

The problem here isn't the defense. The defense is very ordinary. They need more talent. We all knew that going in to the season. But the offense was supposed to carry this team. They are not getting it done. Cutler is a major cause, but I don't think Jeffrey or Marshall are playing all that well. Josh Morgan and Holmes are absolutely useless. I think the o-line is not playing nearly as well as they did last year. Bennett and Forte are playing lights out, but the rest of the offense is really underwhelming.

You can say that they could have won the Carolina and Buffalo games. But they could have easily lost the SF game. They could be 2-6 at this point. This is a bad team and there is no quick fix.

They lack talent because they cannot evaluate when they strategically plan a draft. We need GM choices that can make an impact.

This years draft has actually been productive. Fuller has looked like an impact player (and this is only his first year - once he watches more film, learns more from Peanut etc the sky is the limit for him). I have seen both DTs make plays. Carey has been running the ball well when given the opportunity and Vereen is not being horrible when on the field. Add to that the fact that Kyle Long and Alshon Jeffrey were pro bowl caliber hits, and it is not as bad as you make it out to be. No GM hits on every pick. One more off season to add to this D will help. I would like to see the best D player selected next year with the 1st round pick, except for the CB or DT position. We can use an upgrade at LB, DL or Safety.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I've never wanted to see a player benched as badly as I want to see Cutler benched right now.

He DOES NOT give us the best chance to win....ever.

Yeah I cannot believe Cutler could not stop Brady on a single drive. Oh wait, lets blame him for throwing a hail mary int at the end of the half in a game the D gave the O no chance by not able to stop anything (runs up the middle or outside; throws to WRs or TEs) all first half. The O started slow but on the road against a team that is hot right now, a couple of stops from the D would have helped. Gronk and Brady make a lot of teams look bad. They exposed our safeties and LBs, as expected, especially with 2 starting LBs out.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Houston having MRI tomorrow. Feared season ending injury. Did nothing all year. Injures himself celebrating a meaningless sack against the backup. Sums up the entire team.

This D is significantly better at stopping the run this year compared to last year. You can compare any #s or look at any game film and figure that out. I know you are blind when it comes to facts but Lamar had a lot to do with that. He is a very good run stopper who has managed to get some sacks too (he had 6 last year). Just because it is not sacks does not mean he "did nothing" all year. He has also had QB hurries and hits in the passing game. Again, something you have no clue about because you are one of the meat head fans.

 

[RBM]

I've never wanted to see a player benched as badly as I want to see Cutler benched right now.

He DOES NOT give us the best chance to win....ever.

Yeah I cannot believe Cutler could not stop Brady on a single drive. Oh wait, lets blame him for throwing a hail mary int at the end of the half in a game the D gave the O no chance by not able to stop anything (runs up the middle or outside; throws to WRs or TEs) all first half. The O started slow but on the road against a team that is hot right now, a couple of stops from the D would have helped. Gronk and Brady make a lot of teams look bad. They exposed our safeties and LBs, as expected, especially with 2 starting LBs out.

The D quit today because Trestman and Tucker suck and couldn't inspire a gnat. But the O was supposed to carry this team this year and it has not because of Cutler. The talent on this offense is ridiculous and it cannot play to its potential because of Cutler.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I've never wanted to see a player benched as badly as I want to see Cutler benched right now.

He DOES NOT give us the best chance to win....ever.

Yeah I cannot believe Cutler could not stop Brady on a single drive. Oh wait, lets blame him for throwing a hail mary int at the end of the half in a game the D gave the O no chance by not able to stop anything (runs up the middle or outside; throws to WRs or TEs) all first half. The O started slow but on the road against a team that is hot right now, a couple of stops from the D would have helped. Gronk and Brady make a lot of teams look bad. They exposed our safeties and LBs, as expected, especially with 2 starting LBs out.

The D quit today because Trestman and Tucker suck and couldn't inspire a gnat. But the O was supposed to carry this team this year and it has not because of Cutler. The talent on this offense is ridiculous and it cannot play to its potential because of Cutler.

I have seen Marshall and Jeffrey drop catchable passes that they made last year. I guess you can blame Cutler for that too.

I just saw Nick Foles throw his 2nd int of the game .... time to bench him too, Chip.

Drew Brees threw an int that cost the Saints the game last week against Det last week. He has thrown the same # of picks as Cutler has before todays games

Matt Stafford has been making dumb decisions all year but getting away with it .... both Falcons and Saints should have beaten them.

Brady himself was looking like crap the first 4 games of the year....In the game against Miami and KC, he made some awful passes that cost his team.

Carson Palmer cannot complete a deep throw to save his life. There is a reason Michael Floyd sucks at his FF production this year.

Ryan Tannehill almost was benched because his entire team was revolting having him as a starting QB

Romo has had a history of horrible turnovers. Now he has a stud running game and the Dallas O does not run through him and he looks better.

I can go on and on....my point is starting over at QB is just going to set us back 5 more years. Cutler did not cost us this game in any way. The Pats are a top 5 pass D and it showed. The refs did not help never calling any PI on their CBs while ours were being called every single time. I saw tons of holding and physical play by the NE DBs on our WRs but most of it was not called.

The easiest path for the Bears to win a SB is to keep improving the D - we should be devoting our top 3 draft picks at LB, Safety and DE (does not matter what order). On O, we need a 3rd WR that can contribute....my preference is to get a speedy WR who can stretch the field. Marshall and Jeffrey can do some of that but having a burner would help.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I've never wanted to see a player benched as badly as I want to see Cutler benched right now.

He DOES NOT give us the best chance to win....ever.

Yeah I cannot believe Cutler could not stop Brady on a single drive. Oh wait, lets blame him for throwing a hail mary int at the end of the half in a game the D gave the O no chance by not able to stop anything (runs up the middle or outside; throws to WRs or TEs) all first half. The O started slow but on the road against a team that is hot right now, a couple of stops from the D would have helped. Gronk and Brady make a lot of teams look bad. They exposed our safeties and LBs, as expected, especially with 2 starting LBs out.

The D quit today because Trestman and Tucker suck and couldn't inspire a gnat. But the O was supposed to carry this team this year and it has not because of Cutler. The talent on this offense is ridiculous and it cannot play to its potential because of Cutler.

Our D is just undermanned. Losing Tillman, Briggs, Bostic and Fuller (who was gone after he started the game and we had the great Louis Jean starting) has left an already average D worst off.

 

[RBM]

Try watching a game Sweetness. This isn't about numbers guy, it's about making smart decisions and putting your playmakers in position to make plays. Cutler sucks at all of it. And he comes up smallest in big spots.

You're making an ### of yourself defending him right now. But you've been doing that in Bear threads for years so it's nothing new.