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[twistd]

I wonder if the Bears considered moving Kyle Long to right tackle. I believe the Bears drafted Long intending at some point for him to be an offensive tackle. I think he was green coming out of college, so they wanted him to start at guard. Maybe he is playing so well at guard right now they don't want to mess with that. But eventually I think they are hoping he can develop in to a tackle. Maybe it is too soon, but I wonder if they thought about it.

 

[RBM]

I wonder if the Bears considered moving Kyle Long to right tackle. I believe the Bears drafted Long intending at some point for him to be an offensive tackle. I think he was green coming out of college, so they wanted him to start at guard. Maybe he is playing so well at guard right now they don't want to mess with that. But eventually I think they are hoping he can develop in to a tackle. Maybe it is too soon, but I wonder if they thought about it.

Pretty sure the reports were they loved his athleticism and potential to play guard and tackle.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

coincidence?

 

[Power Monster]

Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.

I think Emery has done a decent job with talent. Fuller, Long and Jeffrey were far from no-brainers. Fuller came as a surprise. I thought they would go after Aaron Donald or one of those safeties. When he drafted Long everyone thought he reached. Long was projected in the second round. Jeffrey was the 7th WR off the board. Emery traded for Marshall. That was brilliant. Last year he signed Slauson, Bushrod, and drafted Long and Jordan Mills. The offensive line went from a disaster to a solid unit. He signed Bennett. That was a terrific signing. This year he signed Willie Young and Lamar Houston, both good signings. He drafted Ferguson and Sutton. They focused on the d-line and that group is greatly improved.

He has made mistakes. They keep insisting that Conte can play. He signed a number of safeties and they all suck. He drafted Shea in the first in 2012, and we all see he can't play. Bostic and Greene have yet to show much. I think the biggest mistake was signing Cutler to this big contract. Now they are saddled with Cutler for at least two more years. Last year Trestman looked like a brilliant hire. This year it looks like Arians would have been a much better choice. I don't think Emery is brilliant, but he has done a lot of good things. The two biggest mistakes, resigning Cutler, and hiring Trestman, may be what costs Emery his job. But Emery is certainly a huge improvement over Angelo.

Interesting to note from your position that the brilliant signings that Emery has made are nothing more than stop gaps from years of poor drafting. The Chicago bears are playing a classic game of damage control from previous regimes. It is nothing more than a wash rise and repeat over and over. The blame game of the former management team intentionally hides the incompetence of the current regime. This ploy has been in play for years. The only thing that will wash away the current dung heap is a win at GB but that is a reach. For all the props this defense receives they have been tarred and feathered. The NE tape will tell the tale. The lack of execution from an offense loaded with play makers is a coaching and a personnel issue. Cutler is again at fault because he is no leader and now we are getting the mid day like soap opera of Cutler and Marshall. Meanwhile - look at the Broncos after they sent Jay boy packing. Look at NE since we clobbered them in the 85 dream season and look at the Packers after that 85 dream season where Packer players were eating hot dogs on the sidelines during a game with the Bears. Those three organizations have all made incredible strides to churn out wave after wave of success. They make great moves in the draft and they make solid free agent moves to add flavor to their teams. The Bears add free agents to fix stupidity after busted drafts and when they draft a decent class they fail to surround those players with NFL caliber coaches. Wash rinse and repeat. This is why they suck and will continue to suck. This team lacks identity and true leaders within their units. Long and Marshall are trying but they are not in sync with the vets and the coaching staff. There is a malcontent on this team, perhaps a few that are ruining the dynamics. Ohhh and then there is that special teams, It all adds up to what the ultimate metric is a losing record.

 

[twistd]

I wonder if the Bears considered moving Kyle Long to right tackle. I believe the Bears drafted Long intending at some point for him to be an offensive tackle. I think he was green coming out of college, so they wanted him to start at guard. Maybe he is playing so well at guard right now they don't want to mess with that. But eventually I think they are hoping he can develop in to a tackle. Maybe it is too soon, but I wonder if they thought about it.

Pretty sure the reports were they loved his athleticism and potential to play guard and tackle.

That is what I heard too. So I wonder if they feel he is on track to play tackle but he isn't ready yet. I just thought it was curious that we didn't hear a word about moving Long to tackle. Michael Ola has done a nice job filling in on the line. I think Ola will be an improvement over Mills. I think Mills will be better as a guard. I would be very curious to know if they considered moving Long.

 

[hugebearsfansinceforever]

Cutler is not a fit in a pure West Coast offense like Trestman wants to run. He's a natural vertical downfield passer as his instinct is to look downfield for the predetermined receiver to attempt the big play first, then dump off the ball underneath if nothing is available. He doesn't throw screen passes particularly well. He prefers big, tall and strong receivers, another hallmark of a vertical offense. He isn't disciplined enough to show patience and read through his progressions like a prototypical West Coast QB. This is why he often locks on to his guy and doesn't look off the receiver which leads to picks. He has all the tools and talent to force the ball in situations most QBs wouldn't attempt, which leads to even more picks.

It's not that he isn't coachable or doesn't try to adjust, it's that he's developed habits, that as Emery said recently, are hard to break. He really needs to be in a West Coast hybrid style like Shanny runs, which emphasizes mobility (roll outs, moving the pocket) and vertical one read concepts. You could make the arguement that Shanny traded up to draft RG3 to find his next Cutler.

I think Trestman is realizing that as talented as Jay is, he'll never be the type of QB to consistently play the position the way he envisions a QB should. Trestman will need to adjust his offense for Jay or else Bears fans will need to embrace the suck for the foreseeable future.

 

[hugebearsfansinceforever]

You ought not judge a draft class for at least 2 full years. I'll give Emery a mulligan on his first year, especially given the improvement of the second year. A lot of this goes back farther than Emery, and it takes time to stock a teams cupboard. What does concern me is if he is learning good lessons or bad lessons. One of the most important parts of being a GM is not to let pride interfere with your decision making. Holding on to McClellan like grim death because he was your first 1st round pick is not a good indication. He also seems to be defensive in the media. One of Jerry Angelos (many) downfalls was falling in love with being the clever guy. He cared a lot about making a big splash with his picks to prove to the media that he was so smart. I really hope Emery doesnt get sucked into that mentality. The truth of NFL drafting is that its not he homeruns that build you a great franchise. Its the base hits and the doubles, year after year. Putting guys on your roster that can play in the NFL so that if somebody goes down, the next man is a quality starter.

I think Emery's a straight shooter. He had no problem admitting he was wrong with drafting and Evan Rodriguez or Brandon Hardin and releasing them. Obviously, Emery saw enough in Shea to try him at LB, a position of need. And why not? They already paid the guy, shouldn't they try to find out if they develop him into a solid starter?

I think everyone needs to remember that the Bears didn't have enough cap room this year (Peppers dead money, pay Cutler, etc.) to solve all their needs in free agency but, IMO, Emery had a solid draft this year. Emery > Angelo and it's not even close.

It's not all bad. Next year, Briggs and Tillman are off the books, Lovie's guys will be out of the locker room, and we"ll probably will end up with a top ten pick to boot.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.

I think Emery has done a decent job with talent. Fuller, Long and Jeffrey were far from no-brainers. Fuller came as a surprise. I thought they would go after Aaron Donald or one of those safeties. When he drafted Long everyone thought he reached. Long was projected in the second round. Jeffrey was the 7th WR off the board. Emery traded for Marshall. That was brilliant. Last year he signed Slauson, Bushrod, and drafted Long and Jordan Mills. The offensive line went from a disaster to a solid unit. He signed Bennett. That was a terrific signing. This year he signed Willie Young and Lamar Houston, both good signings. He drafted Ferguson and Sutton. They focused on the d-line and that group is greatly improved.

He has made mistakes. They keep insisting that Conte can play. He signed a number of safeties and they all suck. He drafted Shea in the first in 2012, and we all see he can't play. Bostic and Greene have yet to show much. I think the biggest mistake was signing Cutler to this big contract. Now they are saddled with Cutler for at least two more years. Last year Trestman looked like a brilliant hire. This year it looks like Arians would have been a much better choice. I don't think Emery is brilliant, but he has done a lot of good things. The two biggest mistakes, resigning Cutler, and hiring Trestman, may be what costs Emery his job. But Emery is certainly a huge improvement over Angelo.

Interesting to note from your position that the brilliant signings that Emery has made are nothing more than stop gaps from years of poor drafting. The Chicago bears are playing a classic game of damage control from previous regimes. It is nothing more than a wash rise and repeat over and over. The blame game of the former management team intentionally hides the incompetence of the current regime. This ploy has been in play for years. The only thing that will wash away the current dung heap is a win at GB but that is a reach. For all the props this defense receives they have been tarred and feathered. The NE tape will tell the tale. The lack of execution from an offense loaded with play makers is a coaching and a personnel issue. Cutler is again at fault because he is no leader and now we are getting the mid day like soap opera of Cutler and Marshall. Meanwhile - look at the Broncos after they sent Jay boy packing. Look at NE since we clobbered them in the 85 dream season and look at the Packers after that 85 dream season where Packer players were eating hot dogs on the sidelines during a game with the Bears. Those three organizations have all made incredible strides to churn out wave after wave of success. They make great moves in the draft and they make solid free agent moves to add flavor to their teams. The Bears add free agents to fix stupidity after busted drafts and when they draft a decent class they fail to surround those players with NFL caliber coaches. Wash rinse and repeat. This is why they suck and will continue to suck. This team lacks identity and true leaders within their units. Long and Marshall are trying but they are not in sync with the vets and the coaching staff. There is a malcontent on this team, perhaps a few that are ruining the dynamics. Ohhh and then there is that special teams, It all adds up to what the ultimate metric is a losing record.

Denver just got lucky that Manning fell into their lap....they were stuck with Tebow. Denver did not know Manning would have this neck issue and become available when they let Cutler go....their plan was to rely on Orton (which failed miserably) and then move to Tebow (another disaster)

 

[Sweetness_34]

Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.

I think Emery has done a decent job with talent. Fuller, Long and Jeffrey were far from no-brainers. Fuller came as a surprise. I thought they would go after Aaron Donald or one of those safeties. When he drafted Long everyone thought he reached. Long was projected in the second round. Jeffrey was the 7th WR off the board. Emery traded for Marshall. That was brilliant. Last year he signed Slauson, Bushrod, and drafted Long and Jordan Mills. The offensive line went from a disaster to a solid unit. He signed Bennett. That was a terrific signing. This year he signed Willie Young and Lamar Houston, both good signings. He drafted Ferguson and Sutton. They focused on the d-line and that group is greatly improved.

He has made mistakes. They keep insisting that Conte can play. He signed a number of safeties and they all suck. He drafted Shea in the first in 2012, and we all see he can't play. Bostic and Greene have yet to show much. I think the biggest mistake was signing Cutler to this big contract. Now they are saddled with Cutler for at least two more years. Last year Trestman looked like a brilliant hire. This year it looks like Arians would have been a much better choice. I don't think Emery is brilliant, but he has done a lot of good things. The two biggest mistakes, resigning Cutler, and hiring Trestman, may be what costs Emery his job. But Emery is certainly a huge improvement over Angelo.

Interesting to note from your position that the brilliant signings that Emery has made are nothing more than stop gaps from years of poor drafting. The Chicago bears are playing a classic game of damage control from previous regimes. It is nothing more than a wash rise and repeat over and over. The blame game of the former management team intentionally hides the incompetence of the current regime. This ploy has been in play for years. The only thing that will wash away the current dung heap is a win at GB but that is a reach. For all the props this defense receives they have been tarred and feathered. The NE tape will tell the tale. The lack of execution from an offense loaded with play makers is a coaching and a personnel issue. Cutler is again at fault because he is no leader and now we are getting the mid day like soap opera of Cutler and Marshall. Meanwhile - look at the Broncos after they sent Jay boy packing. Look at NE since we clobbered them in the 85 dream season and look at the Packers after that 85 dream season where Packer players were eating hot dogs on the sidelines during a game with the Bears. Those three organizations have all made incredible strides to churn out wave after wave of success. They make great moves in the draft and they make solid free agent moves to add flavor to their teams. The Bears add free agents to fix stupidity after busted drafts and when they draft a decent class they fail to surround those players with NFL caliber coaches. Wash rinse and repeat. This is why they suck and will continue to suck. This team lacks identity and true leaders within their units. Long and Marshall are trying but they are not in sync with the vets and the coaching staff. There is a malcontent on this team, perhaps a few that are ruining the dynamics. Ohhh and then there is that special teams, It all adds up to what the ultimate metric is a losing record.

The packers got lucky that Rodgers fell to them .... do not forget how bad they looked when Rodgers was out last year. Same thing with the Pats getting lucky on a 6th round franchise qb.....Belichik himself admits he got lucky....otherwise they would not wait until the 6th round. Pats have made tons of bad draft picks (see all the WRs they have drafted and bombed on).....packers have made lots of bad draft picks too.....par for the course

 

[Sweetness_34]

You ought not judge a draft class for at least 2 full years. I'll give Emery a mulligan on his first year, especially given the improvement of the second year. A lot of this goes back farther than Emery, and it takes time to stock a teams cupboard. What does concern me is if he is learning good lessons or bad lessons. One of the most important parts of being a GM is not to let pride interfere with your decision making. Holding on to McClellan like grim death because he was your first 1st round pick is not a good indication. He also seems to be defensive in the media. One of Jerry Angelos (many) downfalls was falling in love with being the clever guy. He cared a lot about making a big splash with his picks to prove to the media that he was so smart. I really hope Emery doesnt get sucked into that mentality. The truth of NFL drafting is that its not he homeruns that build you a great franchise. Its the base hits and the doubles, year after year. Putting guys on your roster that can play in the NFL so that if somebody goes down, the next man is a quality starter.

I think Emery's a straight shooter. He had no problem admitting he was wrong with drafting and Evan Rodriguez or Brandon Hardin and releasing them. Obviously, Emery saw enough in Shea to try him at LB, a position of need. And why not? They already paid the guy, shouldn't they try to find out if they develop him into a solid starter?

I think everyone needs to remember that the Bears didn't have enough cap room this year (Peppers dead money, pay Cutler, etc.) to solve all their needs in free agency but, IMO, Emery had a solid draft this year. Emery > Angelo and it's not even close.

It's not all bad. Next year, Briggs and Tillman are off the books, Lovie's guys will be out of the locker room, and we"ll probably will end up with a top ten pick to boot.

We need to get a stud draft pick on D (DE/LB or Safety) next year. After seeing how well Fuller has turned out I have faith ....

 

[SproutDaddy]

So if you're a winner, you're just lucky.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

meanwhile, bears got extremely unlucky cutty fell in their lap

 

[KCitons]

You ought not judge a draft class for at least 2 full years. I'll give Emery a mulligan on his first year, especially given the improvement of the second year. A lot of this goes back farther than Emery, and it takes time to stock a teams cupboard. What does concern me is if he is learning good lessons or bad lessons. One of the most important parts of being a GM is not to let pride interfere with your decision making. Holding on to McClellan like grim death because he was your first 1st round pick is not a good indication. He also seems to be defensive in the media. One of Jerry Angelos (many) downfalls was falling in love with being the clever guy. He cared a lot about making a big splash with his picks to prove to the media that he was so smart. I really hope Emery doesnt get sucked into that mentality. The truth of NFL drafting is that its not he homeruns that build you a great franchise. Its the base hits and the doubles, year after year. Putting guys on your roster that can play in the NFL so that if somebody goes down, the next man is a quality starter.

I think Emery's a straight shooter. He had no problem admitting he was wrong with drafting and Evan Rodriguez or Brandon Hardin and releasing them. Obviously, Emery saw enough in Shea to try him at LB, a position of need. And why not? They already paid the guy, shouldn't they try to find out if they develop him into a solid starter?

I think everyone needs to remember that the Bears didn't have enough cap room this year (Peppers dead money, pay Cutler, etc.) to solve all their needs in free agency but, IMO, Emery had a solid draft this year. Emery > Angelo and it's not even close.

It's not all bad. Next year, Briggs and Tillman are off the books, Lovie's guys will be out of the locker room, and we"ll probably will end up with a top ten pick to boot.

We need to get a stud draft pick on D (DE/LB or Safety) next year. After seeing how well Fuller has turned out I have faith ....

The best way to ensure this is to have an early first round pick. That shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

A win against the Packers in Lambeau would soothe a lot of the angst and depression in this thread. The Bears have the weapons to do so. It is not likely, but it is possible.

 

[yoman]

You ought not judge a draft class for at least 2 full years. I'll give Emery a mulligan on his first year, especially given the improvement of the second year. A lot of this goes back farther than Emery, and it takes time to stock a teams cupboard. What does concern me is if he is learning good lessons or bad lessons. One of the most important parts of being a GM is not to let pride interfere with your decision making. Holding on to McClellan like grim death because he was your first 1st round pick is not a good indication. He also seems to be defensive in the media. One of Jerry Angelos (many) downfalls was falling in love with being the clever guy. He cared a lot about making a big splash with his picks to prove to the media that he was so smart. I really hope Emery doesnt get sucked into that mentality. The truth of NFL drafting is that its not he homeruns that build you a great franchise. Its the base hits and the doubles, year after year. Putting guys on your roster that can play in the NFL so that if somebody goes down, the next man is a quality starter.

I agree 100%. The optimistic thing about the last two drafts are everyone is on the roster. Like you said, it may not be home runs but you need the guys you draft to contribute. You have hopes that the players you draft will develop in to solid starters. Looking at 2012 McClellin is never going to return value on that first round pick, but he isn't the worst 4-3 OLB in the league. I believe Jeffrey may be a super star. He's struggling some this year but what we all saw last year was very impressive. So 2012 isn't completely a wasteland.

I agree about Angelo. Angelo always wanted to be a genius. I was worried that McClellin was Emery acting like exactly that. It does seem that McClellin was a mistake, but Long is developing nicely. I thought Long was drafted too early, but after the draft I heard that a number of teams were interested in him and he wouldn't have lasted much past the Bears pick. Fuller was drafted about where he was expected to be drafted. I hope the last two drafts were more of an example of what we will see in the future.

I agree with you as well. I will give him a mulligan the first year as well especially because he probably didn't have as much time to come up to speed because he was probably hired in January or February of that year. I think having a team in place, scouting, etc. is almost a year round thing - especially to find hidden gems in the later rounds.

Everybody knows that Angelo stunk but the reason I posted his drafts is to show how many starters or productive players that are still with the team or any other team for that matter were chosen by him. Flap was pointing out the band-aid approach which was necessitated by his failures. The failure of the coaching staff to develop players probably contributed to this as well. The Packers have had their fair share of misses but the majority of the team was built with home grown talent and they usually pick late because they finish with decent records year in and year out.

Emery is painful to listen to when he is interviewed but the last 2 draft classes look pretty good and are a good start. I don't think they need to fire him like some have called for but I think his biggest failure so far might be his selection for head coach. I also think they should have franchised Cutler this year. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.

 

[Statcruncher]

Meanwhile - look at the Broncos after they sent Jay boy packing. Look at NE since we clobbered them in the 85 dream season and look at the Packers after that 85 dream season where Packer players were eating hot dogs on the sidelines during a game with the Bears. Those three organizations have all made incredible strides to churn out wave after wave of success. They make great moves in the draft and they make solid free agent moves to add flavor to their teams.

The only thing those 3 teams managed to do that the Bears didn't is get a Hall Of Fame QB.

 

[Statcruncher]

And I know it's the NFL so anyone can win any day, but what are the odds the Bears can actually string together a good offensive outing with a good defensive outing? The offense has been severely underperforming, but the defense which showed promise early has had some putrid games lately.

Week 4: Packers punt 0 times and have 0 turnovers

Week 5: Panthers punt 5 times and have 2 turnovers

Week 6: Falcons punt 5 times and have 1 turnover

Week 7: Dolphins punt 2 times and have 0 turnovers

Week 8: Patriots punt 1 time and have 0 turnovers

 

[flapgreen]

Just awful. I'd like to see that stats from last year but it couldn't have been much worse. What's the difference in ppg or time of possession?

 

[yoman]

http://www.theonion.com/articles/bears-gm-hoping-to-motivate-jay-cutler-with-more-g,37314/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=Pic:1efault

Bears GM Hoping To Motivate Jay Cutler With More Guaranteed Money

 

[flapgreen]

Love The Onion

 

[Power Monster]

Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.

I think Emery has done a decent job with talent. Fuller, Long and Jeffrey were far from no-brainers. Fuller came as a surprise. I thought they would go after Aaron Donald or one of those safeties. When he drafted Long everyone thought he reached. Long was projected in the second round. Jeffrey was the 7th WR off the board. Emery traded for Marshall. That was brilliant. Last year he signed Slauson, Bushrod, and drafted Long and Jordan Mills. The offensive line went from a disaster to a solid unit. He signed Bennett. That was a terrific signing. This year he signed Willie Young and Lamar Houston, both good signings. He drafted Ferguson and Sutton. They focused on the d-line and that group is greatly improved.

He has made mistakes. They keep insisting that Conte can play. He signed a number of safeties and they all suck. He drafted Shea in the first in 2012, and we all see he can't play. Bostic and Greene have yet to show much. I think the biggest mistake was signing Cutler to this big contract. Now they are saddled with Cutler for at least two more years. Last year Trestman looked like a brilliant hire. This year it looks like Arians would have been a much better choice. I don't think Emery is brilliant, but he has done a lot of good things. The two biggest mistakes, resigning Cutler, and hiring Trestman, may be what costs Emery his job. But Emery is certainly a huge improvement over Angelo.

Interesting to note from your position that the brilliant signings that Emery has made are nothing more than stop gaps from years of poor drafting. The Chicago bears are playing a classic game of damage control from previous regimes. It is nothing more than a wash rise and repeat over and over. The blame game of the former management team intentionally hides the incompetence of the current regime. This ploy has been in play for years. The only thing that will wash away the current dung heap is a win at GB but that is a reach. For all the props this defense receives they have been tarred and feathered. The NE tape will tell the tale. The lack of execution from an offense loaded with play makers is a coaching and a personnel issue. Cutler is again at fault because he is no leader and now we are getting the mid day like soap opera of Cutler and Marshall. Meanwhile - look at the Broncos after they sent Jay boy packing. Look at NE since we clobbered them in the 85 dream season and look at the Packers after that 85 dream season where Packer players were eating hot dogs on the sidelines during a game with the Bears. Those three organizations have all made incredible strides to churn out wave after wave of success. They make great moves in the draft and they make solid free agent moves to add flavor to their teams. The Bears add free agents to fix stupidity after busted drafts and when they draft a decent class they fail to surround those players with NFL caliber coaches. Wash rinse and repeat. This is why they suck and will continue to suck. This team lacks identity and true leaders within their units. Long and Marshall are trying but they are not in sync with the vets and the coaching staff. There is a malcontent on this team, perhaps a few that are ruining the dynamics. Ohhh and then there is that special teams, It all adds up to what the ultimate metric is a losing record.

Denver just got lucky that Manning fell into their lap....they were stuck with Tebow. Denver did not know Manning would have this neck issue and become available when they let Cutler go....their plan was to rely on Orton (which failed miserably) and then move to Tebow (another disaster)

Denver made an aggressive move to lock in Manning and it is paying off. They have a team that is rich with play makers up and down the offensive side of the ball and the defense is quite good. They are positioned to take another trip to the AFC championship with a 4th string RB and a bonanza of receivers.

 

[Power Monster]

Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.

I think Emery has done a decent job with talent. Fuller, Long and Jeffrey were far from no-brainers. Fuller came as a surprise. I thought they would go after Aaron Donald or one of those safeties. When he drafted Long everyone thought he reached. Long was projected in the second round. Jeffrey was the 7th WR off the board. Emery traded for Marshall. That was brilliant. Last year he signed Slauson, Bushrod, and drafted Long and Jordan Mills. The offensive line went from a disaster to a solid unit. He signed Bennett. That was a terrific signing. This year he signed Willie Young and Lamar Houston, both good signings. He drafted Ferguson and Sutton. They focused on the d-line and that group is greatly improved.

He has made mistakes. They keep insisting that Conte can play. He signed a number of safeties and they all suck. He drafted Shea in the first in 2012, and we all see he can't play. Bostic and Greene have yet to show much. I think the biggest mistake was signing Cutler to this big contract. Now they are saddled with Cutler for at least two more years. Last year Trestman looked like a brilliant hire. This year it looks like Arians would have been a much better choice. I don't think Emery is brilliant, but he has done a lot of good things. The two biggest mistakes, resigning Cutler, and hiring Trestman, may be what costs Emery his job. But Emery is certainly a huge improvement over Angelo.

Interesting to note from your position that the brilliant signings that Emery has made are nothing more than stop gaps from years of poor drafting. The Chicago bears are playing a classic game of damage control from previous regimes. It is nothing more than a wash rise and repeat over and over. The blame game of the former management team intentionally hides the incompetence of the current regime. This ploy has been in play for years. The only thing that will wash away the current dung heap is a win at GB but that is a reach. For all the props this defense receives they have been tarred and feathered. The NE tape will tell the tale. The lack of execution from an offense loaded with play makers is a coaching and a personnel issue. Cutler is again at fault because he is no leader and now we are getting the mid day like soap opera of Cutler and Marshall. Meanwhile - look at the Broncos after they sent Jay boy packing. Look at NE since we clobbered them in the 85 dream season and look at the Packers after that 85 dream season where Packer players were eating hot dogs on the sidelines during a game with the Bears. Those three organizations have all made incredible strides to churn out wave after wave of success. They make great moves in the draft and they make solid free agent moves to add flavor to their teams. The Bears add free agents to fix stupidity after busted drafts and when they draft a decent class they fail to surround those players with NFL caliber coaches. Wash rinse and repeat. This is why they suck and will continue to suck. This team lacks identity and true leaders within their units. Long and Marshall are trying but they are not in sync with the vets and the coaching staff. There is a malcontent on this team, perhaps a few that are ruining the dynamics. Ohhh and then there is that special teams, It all adds up to what the ultimate metric is a losing record.

The packers got lucky that Rodgers fell to them .... do not forget how bad they looked when Rodgers was out last year. Same thing with the Pats getting lucky on a 6th round franchise qb.....Belichik himself admits he got lucky....otherwise they would not wait until the 6th round. Pats have made tons of bad draft picks (see all the WRs they have drafted and bombed on).....packers have made lots of bad draft picks too.....par for the course

I guess the Bears were unlucky when they decided to take the bait and trade their future for a malcontent that is being paid like a king but plays like a chump. The packers maneuvered to backfill the QB position anticipating the day that Farve would retire. That is strategy. The Pats surfaced from that Super Bowl beat down and slowly pieced together a dynasty. Both the Packers and the Patriots keep filling the pantry with quality play makers and stay aggressive making good decisions to win division title after division title. This year is no exception and the packers are doing it without a TE and the patriots just keep putting no name RBs and WRs into the starting lineup and stack title after title. that is not luck. That is successful strategic planning. The Chicago Bears are the opposite of this...

 

[flapgreen]

The Bears are unlucky and all the successful teams are lucky. Got it

 

[Sweetness_34]

A win against the Packers in Lambeau would soothe a lot of the angst and depression in this thread. The Bears have the weapons to do so. It is not likely, but it is possible.

Bears were without Ratliff and Allen in game at SF....they can compete with the pack

 

[Sweetness_34]

Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.

I think Emery has done a decent job with talent. Fuller, Long and Jeffrey were far from no-brainers. Fuller came as a surprise. I thought they would go after Aaron Donald or one of those safeties. When he drafted Long everyone thought he reached. Long was projected in the second round. Jeffrey was the 7th WR off the board. Emery traded for Marshall. That was brilliant. Last year he signed Slauson, Bushrod, and drafted Long and Jordan Mills. The offensive line went from a disaster to a solid unit. He signed Bennett. That was a terrific signing. This year he signed Willie Young and Lamar Houston, both good signings. He drafted Ferguson and Sutton. They focused on the d-line and that group is greatly improved.

He has made mistakes. They keep insisting that Conte can play. He signed a number of safeties and they all suck. He drafted Shea in the first in 2012, and we all see he can't play. Bostic and Greene have yet to show much. I think the biggest mistake was signing Cutler to this big contract. Now they are saddled with Cutler for at least two more years. Last year Trestman looked like a brilliant hire. This year it looks like Arians would have been a much better choice. I don't think Emery is brilliant, but he has done a lot of good things. The two biggest mistakes, resigning Cutler, and hiring Trestman, may be what costs Emery his job. But Emery is certainly a huge improvement over Angelo.

Interesting to note from your position that the brilliant signings that Emery has made are nothing more than stop gaps from years of poor drafting. The Chicago bears are playing a classic game of damage control from previous regimes. It is nothing more than a wash rise and repeat over and over. The blame game of the former management team intentionally hides the incompetence of the current regime. This ploy has been in play for years. The only thing that will wash away the current dung heap is a win at GB but that is a reach. For all the props this defense receives they have been tarred and feathered. The NE tape will tell the tale. The lack of execution from an offense loaded with play makers is a coaching and a personnel issue. Cutler is again at fault because he is no leader and now we are getting the mid day like soap opera of Cutler and Marshall. Meanwhile - look at the Broncos after they sent Jay boy packing. Look at NE since we clobbered them in the 85 dream season and look at the Packers after that 85 dream season where Packer players were eating hot dogs on the sidelines during a game with the Bears. Those three organizations have all made incredible strides to churn out wave after wave of success. They make great moves in the draft and they make solid free agent moves to add flavor to their teams. The Bears add free agents to fix stupidity after busted drafts and when they draft a decent class they fail to surround those players with NFL caliber coaches. Wash rinse and repeat. This is why they suck and will continue to suck. This team lacks identity and true leaders within their units. Long and Marshall are trying but they are not in sync with the vets and the coaching staff. There is a malcontent on this team, perhaps a few that are ruining the dynamics. Ohhh and then there is that special teams, It all adds up to what the ultimate metric is a losing record.

The packers got lucky that Rodgers fell to them .... do not forget how bad they looked when Rodgers was out last year. Same thing with the Pats getting lucky on a 6th round franchise qb.....Belichik himself admits he got lucky....otherwise they would not wait until the 6th round. Pats have made tons of bad draft picks (see all the WRs they have drafted and bombed on).....packers have made lots of bad draft picks too.....par for the course

I guess the Bears were unlucky when they decided to take the bait and trade their future for a malcontent that is being paid like a king but plays like a chump. The packers maneuvered to backfill the QB position anticipating the day that Farve would retire. That is strategy. The Pats surfaced from that Super Bowl beat down and slowly pieced together a dynasty. Both the Packers and the Patriots keep filling the pantry with quality play makers and stay aggressive making good decisions to win division title after division title. This year is no exception and the packers are doing it without a TE and the patriots just keep putting no name RBs and WRs into the starting lineup and stack title after title. that is not luck. That is successful strategic planning. The Chicago Bears are the opposite of this...

So you don't want a Qb on pace to throw for >4000 yars and >30 TDs? He has a 90+ Qb rating...geez

 

[Sweetness_34]

You ought not judge a draft class for at least 2 full years. I'll give Emery a mulligan on his first year, especially given the improvement of the second year. A lot of this goes back farther than Emery, and it takes time to stock a teams cupboard. What does concern me is if he is learning good lessons or bad lessons. One of the most important parts of being a GM is not to let pride interfere with your decision making. Holding on to McClellan like grim death because he was your first 1st round pick is not a good indication. He also seems to be defensive in the media. One of Jerry Angelos (many) downfalls was falling in love with being the clever guy. He cared a lot about making a big splash with his picks to prove to the media that he was so smart. I really hope Emery doesnt get sucked into that mentality. The truth of NFL drafting is that its not he homeruns that build you a great franchise. Its the base hits and the doubles, year after year. Putting guys on your roster that can play in the NFL so that if somebody goes down, the next man is a quality starter.

I agree 100%. The optimistic thing about the last two drafts are everyone is on the roster. Like you said, it may not be home runs but you need the guys you draft to contribute. You have hopes that the players you draft will develop in to solid starters. Looking at 2012 McClellin is never going to return value on that first round pick, but he isn't the worst 4-3 OLB in the league. I believe Jeffrey may be a super star. He's struggling some this year but what we all saw last year was very impressive. So 2012 isn't completely a wasteland.

I agree about Angelo. Angelo always wanted to be a genius. I was worried that McClellin was Emery acting like exactly that. It does seem that McClellin was a mistake, but Long is developing nicely. I thought Long was drafted too early, but after the draft I heard that a number of teams were interested in him and he wouldn't have lasted much past the Bears pick. Fuller was drafted about where he was expected to be drafted. I hope the last two drafts were more of an example of what we will see in the future.

I agree with you as well. I will give him a mulligan the first year as well especially because he probably didn't have as much time to come up to speed because he was probably hired in January or February of that year. I think having a team in place, scouting, etc. is almost a year round thing - especially to find hidden gems in the later rounds.

Everybody knows that Angelo stunk but the reason I posted his drafts is to show how many starters or productive players that are still with the team or any other team for that matter were chosen by him. Flap was pointing out the band-aid approach which was necessitated by his failures. The failure of the coaching staff to develop players probably contributed to this as well. The Packers have had their fair share of misses but the majority of the team was built with home grown talent and they usually pick late because they finish with decent records year in and year out.

Emery is painful to listen to when he is interviewed but the last 2 draft classes look pretty good and are a good start. I don't think they need to fire him like some have called for but I think his biggest failure so far might be his selection for head coach. I also think they should have franchised Cutler this year. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.

franchising Cutler was not an option....the cap would have allowed no more moves to improve the D in that case

 

[Sweetness_34]

Lord we have some clueless people here....are you guys seriously telling me it was not luck the Pats got Brady? Or did they strategically wait until the 6th? LOL .... Again, Belichik has said this multiple times - they had no clue Brady would be this good....they just got lucky....which is why they waited until the 6th round

As for Denver, yes they got lucky that Manning had his neck issue. Do you really think the Colts would cut Manning otherwise? Denver did not have some magic forecasting ball that told them they would get Manning if they cut Cutler....their strategic plan was to start Orton and then Tebow....they failed miserably....if Manning does not have his neck issue, they would not be contending right now. Their idiot coach (who was fired after bombing) cut Cutler because he wanted Matt Cassell instead. Do any of you even remember facts?

As for Packers, again....Rodgers was a consensus top 5 pick....the packers coach Mike McCarthy was Niners O coordinator and even his team (Niners) picked Alex Smith instead of Rodgers....and all teams that needed Qbs decided not to take one making Rodgers fall into the Packers lap. If you think their GM is that good at drafting, how come that team got exposed so badly when Rodgers got injured?

 

[Sweetness_34]

Since it takes a few years to judge a draft, here are the drafts by Ted Thompson not counting the last 2 years:

Packers draft picks in 2012 - not a single player had any impact:

1 - Nick Perry

2 - Jerel Worthy (was traded earlier this year after zero production)

3- Casey Hayward

4 - Mike Daniels

5 - Jerron Mcmillian

6 - Terrell Manning

7 - Andrew Datko and BJ Coleman

From the 2011 draft, only Cobb has been productive:

1 - Sherrod (bust every time he is on the field, which is rare since he is injured most of the time)

2 - Cobb

3 - Alex Green

4- Davon House

5- DJ Williams

6- Schlauderaff

6 - DJ Smith

....bunch of scrubs

For the 2010 draft, again no impact player....some starters but nothing special

1- Bulaga

2 - Mike Neal

3- Morgan Burnett

4- Quarles

5 - Newhouse

6 - James Starks

7 - CJ Wilson

From the 2009 draft, one impactful player (Matthews) and one starter (TJ Lang)

1 - BJ Raji (bust)

2 - Matthews

3 - Lang

..... bunch of scrubs

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

 

[yoman]

You ought not judge a draft class for at least 2 full years. I'll give Emery a mulligan on his first year, especially given the improvement of the second year. A lot of this goes back farther than Emery, and it takes time to stock a teams cupboard. What does concern me is if he is learning good lessons or bad lessons. One of the most important parts of being a GM is not to let pride interfere with your decision making. Holding on to McClellan like grim death because he was your first 1st round pick is not a good indication. He also seems to be defensive in the media. One of Jerry Angelos (many) downfalls was falling in love with being the clever guy. He cared a lot about making a big splash with his picks to prove to the media that he was so smart. I really hope Emery doesnt get sucked into that mentality. The truth of NFL drafting is that its not he homeruns that build you a great franchise. Its the base hits and the doubles, year after year. Putting guys on your roster that can play in the NFL so that if somebody goes down, the next man is a quality starter.

I agree 100%. The optimistic thing about the last two drafts are everyone is on the roster. Like you said, it may not be home runs but you need the guys you draft to contribute. You have hopes that the players you draft will develop in to solid starters. Looking at 2012 McClellin is never going to return value on that first round pick, but he isn't the worst 4-3 OLB in the league. I believe Jeffrey may be a super star. He's struggling some this year but what we all saw last year was very impressive. So 2012 isn't completely a wasteland.

I agree about Angelo. Angelo always wanted to be a genius. I was worried that McClellin was Emery acting like exactly that. It does seem that McClellin was a mistake, but Long is developing nicely. I thought Long was drafted too early, but after the draft I heard that a number of teams were interested in him and he wouldn't have lasted much past the Bears pick. Fuller was drafted about where he was expected to be drafted. I hope the last two drafts were more of an example of what we will see in the future.

I agree with you as well. I will give him a mulligan the first year as well especially because he probably didn't have as much time to come up to speed because he was probably hired in January or February of that year. I think having a team in place, scouting, etc. is almost a year round thing - especially to find hidden gems in the later rounds.

Everybody knows that Angelo stunk but the reason I posted his drafts is to show how many starters or productive players that are still with the team or any other team for that matter were chosen by him. Flap was pointing out the band-aid approach which was necessitated by his failures. The failure of the coaching staff to develop players probably contributed to this as well. The Packers have had their fair share of misses but the majority of the team was built with home grown talent and they usually pick late because they finish with decent records year in and year out.

Emery is painful to listen to when he is interviewed but the last 2 draft classes look pretty good and are a good start. I don't think they need to fire him like some have called for but I think his biggest failure so far might be his selection for head coach. I also think they should have franchised Cutler this year. I guess we will have to wait and see what happens.

franchising Cutler was not an option....the cap would have allowed no more moves to improve the D in that case

Huh? If I read correctly Cutler's cap number would have been around 17M if he were franchised and his hit this season is about 18.5M. Am I missing something?

 

[SproutDaddy]

Lord we have some clueless people here....are you guys seriously telling me it was not luck the Pats got Brady? Or did they strategically wait until the 6th? LOL .... Again, Belichik has said this multiple times - they had no clue Brady would be this good....they just got lucky....which is why they waited until the 6th round

As for Denver, yes they got lucky that Manning had his neck issue. Do you really think the Colts would cut Manning otherwise? Denver did not have some magic forecasting ball that told them they would get Manning if they cut Cutler....their strategic plan was to start Orton and then Tebow....they failed miserably....if Manning does not have his neck issue, they would not be contending right now. Their idiot coach (who was fired after bombing) cut Cutler because he wanted Matt Cassell instead. Do any of you even remember facts?

As for Packers, again....Rodgers was a consensus top 5 pick....the packers coach Mike McCarthy was Niners O coordinator and even his team (Niners) picked Alex Smith instead of Rodgers....and all teams that needed Qbs decided not to take one making Rodgers fall into the Packers lap. If you think their GM is that good at drafting, how come that team got exposed so badly when Rodgers got injured?

That's some really weak and dim-witted analysis. But by all means, Please continue to entertain.

 

[flapgreen]

Lord we have some clueless people here....are you guys seriously telling me it was not luck the Pats got Brady? Or did they strategically wait until the 6th? LOL .... Again, Belichik has said this multiple times - they had no clue Brady would be this good....they just got lucky....which is why they waited until the 6th round

As for Denver, yes they got lucky that Manning had his neck issue. Do you really think the Colts would cut Manning otherwise? Denver did not have some magic forecasting ball that told them they would get Manning if they cut Cutler....their strategic plan was to start Orton and then Tebow....they failed miserably....if Manning does not have his neck issue, they would not be contending right now. Their idiot coach (who was fired after bombing) cut Cutler because he wanted Matt Cassell instead. Do any of you even remember facts?

As for Packers, again....Rodgers was a consensus top 5 pick....the packers coach Mike McCarthy was Niners O coordinator and even his team (Niners) picked Alex Smith instead of Rodgers....and all teams that needed Qbs decided not to take one making Rodgers fall into the Packers lap. If you think their GM is that good at drafting, how come that team got exposed so badly when Rodgers got injured?

That's some really weak and dim-witted analysis. But by all means, Please continue to entertain.

Don't encourage him.

 

[DaveL]

Blind faith is a lot better than blind hatred, keep it up Sweetness. And is anyone really arguing that the Pats didn't get lucky with Brady? Of course they did. Packers made some good moves to get Rodgers though, that was more than luck (they were fortunate that Rodgers fell to them, but they made the most of it).

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

 

[mbuehner]

Blind faith is a lot better than blind hatred, keep it up Sweetness. And is anyone really arguing that the Pats didn't get lucky with Brady? Of course they did. Packers made some good moves to get Rodgers though, that was more than luck (they were fortunate that Rodgers fell to them, but they made the most of it).

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

Im not calling for Clausen, but this is a bit of whistling past the graveyard. He's also got 17tds and 12 turnovers. The offense netted 3 points last week (scored 10 and gave up 7) against a pretty average Patriots defense. Somethin has to give.

 

[flapgreen]

Blind faith is a lot better than blind hatred, keep it up Sweetness. And is anyone really arguing that the Pats didn't get lucky with Brady? Of course they did. Packers made some good moves to get Rodgers though, that was more than luck (they were fortunate that Rodgers fell to them, but they made the most of it).

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

What you call "blind hatred," tge rest of us call reality.

 

[yoman]

Blind faith is a lot better than blind hatred, keep it up Sweetness. And is anyone really arguing that the Pats didn't get lucky with Brady? Of course they did. Packers made some good moves to get Rodgers though, that was more than luck (they were fortunate that Rodgers fell to them, but they made the most of it).

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

What you call "blind hatred," tge rest of us call reality.

There is always some luck involved in drafting. During the time Sweetness_34 was talking about above the Bears drafted the following players who are still with the team:

2012: McClellin, Jeffery

2011: Conte, Paea, Carimi is still in the NFL and got injured

2010: Wright Wooten and Webb I think are all still in the NFL but none are contributing to the current Bears team

2009: Melton & Louis are still in the NFL

I will take the Packers drafts every single team over that pile of garbage. There are only 4 players still on the team during that 4 year period - McClellin, Jeffery, Conte and Paea.

Still on the team which helps build depth even if all these players aren't superstars.

2012: Perry, Hayward and Daniels

2011: Sherrod, Cobb and House

2010 Buluga, Neal, Burnett, Quarless, Starks

2009 Raji (injured), Matthews, Lang, Jones

I think that makes 15 players (1 is injured) that are still with the team as opposed to 4 (hopefully I didn't miss anyone). Don't discount backup players because they provide depth. We haven't even been able to draft players that were good enough to be backups on the roster which is even more pathetic! I didn't even include the draft picks that are playing with other teams because I don't know them as well as the Bears. Look at the quality of their draft choices over ours. More than 1/4 of their roster came from these drafts as opposed to 1/13 for the Bears.

 

[DaveL]

Blind faith is a lot better than blind hatred, keep it up Sweetness. And is anyone really arguing that the Pats didn't get lucky with Brady? Of course they did. Packers made some good moves to get Rodgers though, that was more than luck (they were fortunate that Rodgers fell to them, but they made the most of it).

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

What you call "blind hatred," tge rest of us call reality.

I actually wasn't referring to you here, or anyone here for that matter. Just saying I'd rather read what he's writing rather than someone screaming at every call/move/throw we make (like some in the stands are doing). It was more of a hypothetical "it could be worse"

 

[DaveL]

Blind faith is a lot better than blind hatred, keep it up Sweetness. And is anyone really arguing that the Pats didn't get lucky with Brady? Of course they did. Packers made some good moves to get Rodgers though, that was more than luck (they were fortunate that Rodgers fell to them, but they made the most of it).

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

Im not calling for Clausen, but this is a bit of whistling past the graveyard. He's also got 17tds and 12 turnovers. The offense netted 3 points last week (scored 10 and gave up 7) against a pretty average Patriots defense. Somethin has to give.

scored 10?

 

[yoman]

Blind faith is a lot better than blind hatred, keep it up Sweetness. And is anyone really arguing that the Pats didn't get lucky with Brady? Of course they did. Packers made some good moves to get Rodgers though, that was more than luck (they were fortunate that Rodgers fell to them, but they made the most of it).

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

What you call "blind hatred," tge rest of us call reality.

I actually wasn't referring to you here, or anyone here for that matter. Just saying I'd rather read what he's writing rather than someone screaming at every call/move/throw we make (like some in the stands are doing). It was more of a hypothetical "it could be worse"

He can't help himself because his real name is Henny Penny (aka Chicken Little) I am extra down on the Bears this year because I expected them to at least have a top 10 offense and be exciting to watch. Without recapping the whole season they have been disappointing and not a very likeable team. There are definitely a few positives this season but unless they can go 7 and 1 with games against 5 games against good teams there is no chance they will make the playoffs.

 

[DaveL]

Blind faith is a lot better than blind hatred, keep it up Sweetness. And is anyone really arguing that the Pats didn't get lucky with Brady? Of course they did. Packers made some good moves to get Rodgers though, that was more than luck (they were fortunate that Rodgers fell to them, but they made the most of it).

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

What you call "blind hatred," tge rest of us call reality.

I actually wasn't referring to you here, or anyone here for that matter. Just saying I'd rather read what he's writing rather than someone screaming at every call/move/throw we make (like some in the stands are doing). It was more of a hypothetical "it could be worse"

He can't help himself because his real name is Henny Penny (aka Chicken Little) I am extra down on the Bears this year because I expected them to at least have a top 10 offense and be exciting to watch. Without recapping the whole season they have been disappointing and not a very likeable team. There are definitely a few positives this season but unless they can go 7 and 1 with games against 5 games against good teams there is no chance they will make the playoffs.

5 home games and 2 winnable away games vs the Lions and Vikings. Chin up

 

[sho nuff]

Since it takes a few years to judge a draft, here are the drafts by Ted Thompson not counting the last 2 years:

Packers draft picks in 2012 - not a single player had any impact:

1 - Nick Perry

2 - Jerel Worthy (was traded earlier this year after zero production)

3- Casey Hayward

4 - Mike Daniels

5 - Jerron Mcmillian

6 - Terrell Manning

7 - Andrew Datko and BJ Coleman

From the 2011 draft, only Cobb has been productive:

1 - Sherrod (bust every time he is on the field, which is rare since he is injured most of the time)

2 - Cobb

3 - Alex Green

4- Davon House

5- DJ Williams

6- Schlauderaff

6 - DJ Smith

....bunch of scrubs

For the 2010 draft, again no impact player....some starters but nothing special

1- Bulaga

2 - Mike Neal

3- Morgan Burnett

4- Quarles

5 - Newhouse

6 - James Starks

7 - CJ Wilson

From the 2009 draft, one impactful player (Matthews) and one starter (TJ Lang)

1 - BJ Raji (bust)

2 - Matthews

3 - Lang

..... bunch of scrubs

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

You seem to keep having an obsession with the Packers and Thompson.

Its ok to admit the guy knows what he is doing...your dumb and dumber thread about he and McCarthy hasn't worked out so well for you.

Oh, and Hayward, Perry, and Daniels are all making an impact right now for that team.

Cobb and House are a bunch of scrubs?

5 out of 7 players in 2010 are contributers...to claim Starks hasn't made an impact...did you not watch the playoffs and Super Bowl that year?

You keep calling others clueless...but then you post stuff like this to prove that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

 

[flapgreen]

Blind faith is a lot better than blind hatred, keep it up Sweetness. And is anyone really arguing that the Pats didn't get lucky with Brady? Of course they did. Packers made some good moves to get Rodgers though, that was more than luck (they were fortunate that Rodgers fell to them, but they made the most of it).

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

What you call "blind hatred," tge rest of us call reality.

I actually wasn't referring to you here, or anyone here for that matter. Just saying I'd rather read what he's writing rather than someone screaming at every call/move/throw we make (like some in the stands are doing). It was more of a hypothetical "it could be worse"

I guess we could be worse. We could be the Raiders. The most disappointing part about this season is that the expectations were so high. We all expected them to be good. Instead, they're the most underachieving team in the league this year.

 

[flapgreen]

Only a fool would think Thompson isn't great at what he does. No one is batting a thousand.

 

[RBM]

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

Holy ####...you think Cutler has been good? Because of friggin stats man?? Watch a damn game and tell me you're ever confident in this guy. Impossible.

 

[flapgreen]

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

Holy ####...you think Cutler has been good? Because of friggin stats man?? Watch a damn game and tell me you're ever confident in this guy. Impossible.

He's just unlucky.

 

[twistd]

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

I think that Cutler is the most talented QB the Bears have had since Jim McMahon. He may be the all time leader in Bears history, but that isn't saying much really. The Bears have a long history of crappy quarterbacking. If you look at the league right now, there are at least ten QBs I would rather have than Cutler. There is Peyton, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Luck, Big Ben, Cam Newton, Rivers, and Wilson. I would take Kaep before Cutler. There is ten. Then Cutler falls in to a group with Flacco, Romo, Stafford, and Ryan. I would probably take Flacco, Romo, and Ryan over Cutler, maybe Stafford. So the most talented QB in Bears history ranks about 13th or 14th in the league now. Granted, there are teams that would love to have Cutler as their QB, like the Jets or the Browns, but he is better than average, not elite.

The other thing to look at is how does this talent translate in to production. Last year McCown got better results than Cutler did. I don't think that is a fluke. This is a good system with exceptional skill position players and a creative offensive coach. I think there are a lot of guys you could plug in to this system and get results close to as good as you get with Cutler, and as you saw last year with McCown, possibly better. I think you could put Kyle Orton or Josh McCown or even Matt Cassell in to this system and get good results. Not because these guys are anywhere nearly as talented as Cutler, but because these skill position players are terrific, and Trestman can put these QBs in a position to be successful. These guys would play within the system and that would translate in to production. And you wouldn't have to pay these guys $17 or $18 million a year to get that.

Cutler should be carrying the Bears at times. He should be making the players around him better. That is what elite QBs do. He isn't doing that. They are winning games in spite of him not because of him. He is losing games with stupid decisions and turning the ball over. When the Bears are behind in a close game, you aren't thinking he is going to step up and make the plays to win this game. You are thinking now is about the time he does something stupid, and forces a ball in to coverage, and it turns in to an interception. Or he will hold on to the ball too long and get sacked and fumble. And more often than not that is what happens. That is not what elite QBs do. He did play well at the end of the Niners game. But that happens so seldom it really stands out, as the exception rather than the rule.

I think that not only is Cutler not an elite QB, I think they might be a better overall team if Kyle Orton or Josh McCown was their QB.

 

[RBM]

Good post twistd. That middle paragraph is exactly what I've been getting at when I've called for Clausen. I do believe in the system, in Trestman as a qb coach and as a play caller, and most importantly in our skill players. I don't believe Cutler is coachable. I think he's locked in his own world with his cannon arm and gunslinger mentality.

This is why I want to see if Clausen can be McCown v2.0.

 

[Power Monster]

Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.

I think Emery has done a decent job with talent. Fuller, Long and Jeffrey were far from no-brainers. Fuller came as a surprise. I thought they would go after Aaron Donald or one of those safeties. When he drafted Long everyone thought he reached. Long was projected in the second round. Jeffrey was the 7th WR off the board. Emery traded for Marshall. That was brilliant. Last year he signed Slauson, Bushrod, and drafted Long and Jordan Mills. The offensive line went from a disaster to a solid unit. He signed Bennett. That was a terrific signing. This year he signed Willie Young and Lamar Houston, both good signings. He drafted Ferguson and Sutton. They focused on the d-line and that group is greatly improved.

He has made mistakes. They keep insisting that Conte can play. He signed a number of safeties and they all suck. He drafted Shea in the first in 2012, and we all see he can't play. Bostic and Greene have yet to show much. I think the biggest mistake was signing Cutler to this big contract. Now they are saddled with Cutler for at least two more years. Last year Trestman looked like a brilliant hire. This year it looks like Arians would have been a much better choice. I don't think Emery is brilliant, but he has done a lot of good things. The two biggest mistakes, resigning Cutler, and hiring Trestman, may be what costs Emery his job. But Emery is certainly a huge improvement over Angelo.

Interesting to note from your position that the brilliant signings that Emery has made are nothing more than stop gaps from years of poor drafting. The Chicago bears are playing a classic game of damage control from previous regimes. It is nothing more than a wash rise and repeat over and over. The blame game of the former management team intentionally hides the incompetence of the current regime. This ploy has been in play for years. The only thing that will wash away the current dung heap is a win at GB but that is a reach. For all the props this defense receives they have been tarred and feathered. The NE tape will tell the tale. The lack of execution from an offense loaded with play makers is a coaching and a personnel issue. Cutler is again at fault because he is no leader and now we are getting the mid day like soap opera of Cutler and Marshall. Meanwhile - look at the Broncos after they sent Jay boy packing. Look at NE since we clobbered them in the 85 dream season and look at the Packers after that 85 dream season where Packer players were eating hot dogs on the sidelines during a game with the Bears. Those three organizations have all made incredible strides to churn out wave after wave of success. They make great moves in the draft and they make solid free agent moves to add flavor to their teams. The Bears add free agents to fix stupidity after busted drafts and when they draft a decent class they fail to surround those players with NFL caliber coaches. Wash rinse and repeat. This is why they suck and will continue to suck. This team lacks identity and true leaders within their units. Long and Marshall are trying but they are not in sync with the vets and the coaching staff. There is a malcontent on this team, perhaps a few that are ruining the dynamics. Ohhh and then there is that special teams, It all adds up to what the ultimate metric is a losing record.

The packers got lucky that Rodgers fell to them .... do not forget how bad they looked when Rodgers was out last year. Same thing with the Pats getting lucky on a 6th round franchise qb.....Belichik himself admits he got lucky....otherwise they would not wait until the 6th round. Pats have made tons of bad draft picks (see all the WRs they have drafted and bombed on).....packers have made lots of bad draft picks too.....par for the course

I guess the Bears were unlucky when they decided to take the bait and trade their future for a malcontent that is being paid like a king but plays like a chump. The packers maneuvered to backfill the QB position anticipating the day that Farve would retire. That is strategy. The Pats surfaced from that Super Bowl beat down and slowly pieced together a dynasty. Both the Packers and the Patriots keep filling the pantry with quality play makers and stay aggressive making good decisions to win division title after division title. This year is no exception and the packers are doing it without a TE and the patriots just keep putting no name RBs and WRs into the starting lineup and stack title after title. that is not luck. That is successful strategic planning. The Chicago Bears are the opposite of this...

So you don't want a Qb on pace to throw for >4000 yars and >30 TDs? He has a 90+ Qb rating...geez

He's a loser. Check the standings. This team has come apart at the seams. Brady is the QB and the leader. Rogers is the QB and the leader. Manning is the QB and the leader. Brees is the QB and the leader. Cutler is no leader. He has been given coordinator after coordinator and the powers that be have surrounded him with everything he needs to be a success and he is a far cry from being a winner and a leader. No amount of surrounding talent and the mega watt money they paid this chump will cover up his nice fantasy football numbers for this year. When it counts the most he throws the pick into triple coverage and fumbles away the ball to kill drives and ultimately lose games. The token injury will soon surface (not wishing an injury on anyone here) and it will always be some excuse as to why Cutler cannot succeed in Chicago. He is Jeff George all over. Gaudy numbers but the stats you present do not show the mistakes - INTs and fumbles. Maybe next year after God only knows what type of moves or non-moves the brain trust makes. Lastly - in looking at the stat line you show - these are numbers for this year. What about previous years?

 

[Power Monster]

Lord we have some clueless people here....are you guys seriously telling me it was not luck the Pats got Brady? Or did they strategically wait until the 6th? LOL .... Again, Belichik has said this multiple times - they had no clue Brady would be this good....they just got lucky....which is why they waited until the 6th round

As for Denver, yes they got lucky that Manning had his neck issue. Do you really think the Colts would cut Manning otherwise? Denver did not have some magic forecasting ball that told them they would get Manning if they cut Cutler....their strategic plan was to start Orton and then Tebow....they failed miserably....if Manning does not have his neck issue, they would not be contending right now. Their idiot coach (who was fired after bombing) cut Cutler because he wanted Matt Cassell instead. Do any of you even remember facts?

As for Packers, again....Rodgers was a consensus top 5 pick....the packers coach Mike McCarthy was Niners O coordinator and even his team (Niners) picked Alex Smith instead of Rodgers....and all teams that needed Qbs decided not to take one making Rodgers fall into the Packers lap. If you think their GM is that good at drafting, how come that team got exposed so badly when Rodgers got injured?

Funny thing here is all these "other" teams surrounded all these lucky picks with the talent to win and in a lot of cases win it all. All of these teams made the adjustments to become winners. Funny all this talk about Brady being a lucky pick. His last two seasons at Michigan tell the story of a potential stud. He had an incredible junior and senior year. Hardly just a lucky pick. In fact, Cutler is not even worthy of washing the stains off his uniform as evidenced by the last two times he just dismantled the bears with ease. Denver made their adjustments as well and gambled on manning. It paid off because they have surrounded him with uber talent. The Bears could have made this move as well but they have their franchise QB. On his way to another year no playoffs counting his money laughing all the way to the bank like the %%^^^&& owners.

 

[twistd]

Good post twistd. That middle paragraph is exactly what I've been getting at when I've called for Clausen. I do believe in the system, in Trestman as a qb coach and as a play caller, and most importantly in our skill players. I don't believe Cutler is coachable. I think he's locked in his own world with his cannon arm and gunslinger mentality.

This is why I want to see if Clausen can be McCown v2.0.

I agree that I think Cutler really isn't coachable. I wonder if he reads defenses well. Maybe he just trusts the strength of his arm too much. Cutler is a gunslinger, in the mold of Favre. Favre made some stupid throws that had you scratching your head, but at other times he would run around and make a spectacular play that left you shaking your head. And he won. Maybe Cutler would be better in a different offense, but he has had a number of offensive coordinators. You would think that if there was a system that would work for him someone would have discovered it. No one has, and I don't think anyone will. He will always be a player with elite skills, who never seems to play up to his potential.

 

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Well, at least the Bears won't lose one this weekend. There is that.