****Official 2014 Chicago Bears Thread **** (1 Viewer)

[3nOut]

Well, at least the Bears won't lose one this weekend. There is that.

You sure about that?

 

[Sweetness_34]

So the Bears got beat by the Fins and got pounded by the Pats.....I know the average IQ of the meat head fans in this thread is not much but the Pats just blew out the Broncos (who were considered the best team in the NFL) and they also walloped the Bengals earlier.....the Fins just blew out a Chargers team that was considered top 5 in the AFC and the Fins should have beaten the packers and also hammered the Pats on opening day. Just saying.....facts - stuff that the meat heads here do not understand

Oh and more facts for the Cutler haters - Palmer threw a pick 6 today....Rivers threw a bunch of picks today....Manning cost his team with an awful early int....Kapernick turned the ball over despite being in guaranteed FG range that would tie his team at home and instead he cost them the win. #facts.

 

[flapgreen]

Let it go dude

 

[Sweetness_34]

Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.

I think Emery has done a decent job with talent. Fuller, Long and Jeffrey were far from no-brainers. Fuller came as a surprise. I thought they would go after Aaron Donald or one of those safeties. When he drafted Long everyone thought he reached. Long was projected in the second round. Jeffrey was the 7th WR off the board. Emery traded for Marshall. That was brilliant. Last year he signed Slauson, Bushrod, and drafted Long and Jordan Mills. The offensive line went from a disaster to a solid unit. He signed Bennett. That was a terrific signing. This year he signed Willie Young and Lamar Houston, both good signings. He drafted Ferguson and Sutton. They focused on the d-line and that group is greatly improved.

He has made mistakes. They keep insisting that Conte can play. He signed a number of safeties and they all suck. He drafted Shea in the first in 2012, and we all see he can't play. Bostic and Greene have yet to show much. I think the biggest mistake was signing Cutler to this big contract. Now they are saddled with Cutler for at least two more years. Last year Trestman looked like a brilliant hire. This year it looks like Arians would have been a much better choice. I don't think Emery is brilliant, but he has done a lot of good things. The two biggest mistakes, resigning Cutler, and hiring Trestman, may be what costs Emery his job. But Emery is certainly a huge improvement over Angelo.

Interesting to note from your position that the brilliant signings that Emery has made are nothing more than stop gaps from years of poor drafting. The Chicago bears are playing a classic game of damage control from previous regimes. It is nothing more than a wash rise and repeat over and over. The blame game of the former management team intentionally hides the incompetence of the current regime. This ploy has been in play for years. The only thing that will wash away the current dung heap is a win at GB but that is a reach. For all the props this defense receives they have been tarred and feathered. The NE tape will tell the tale. The lack of execution from an offense loaded with play makers is a coaching and a personnel issue. Cutler is again at fault because he is no leader and now we are getting the mid day like soap opera of Cutler and Marshall. Meanwhile - look at the Broncos after they sent Jay boy packing. Look at NE since we clobbered them in the 85 dream season and look at the Packers after that 85 dream season where Packer players were eating hot dogs on the sidelines during a game with the Bears. Those three organizations have all made incredible strides to churn out wave after wave of success. They make great moves in the draft and they make solid free agent moves to add flavor to their teams. The Bears add free agents to fix stupidity after busted drafts and when they draft a decent class they fail to surround those players with NFL caliber coaches. Wash rinse and repeat. This is why they suck and will continue to suck. This team lacks identity and true leaders within their units. Long and Marshall are trying but they are not in sync with the vets and the coaching staff. There is a malcontent on this team, perhaps a few that are ruining the dynamics. Ohhh and then there is that special teams, It all adds up to what the ultimate metric is a losing record.

The packers got lucky that Rodgers fell to them .... do not forget how bad they looked when Rodgers was out last year. Same thing with the Pats getting lucky on a 6th round franchise qb.....Belichik himself admits he got lucky....otherwise they would not wait until the 6th round. Pats have made tons of bad draft picks (see all the WRs they have drafted and bombed on).....packers have made lots of bad draft picks too.....par for the course

I guess the Bears were unlucky when they decided to take the bait and trade their future for a malcontent that is being paid like a king but plays like a chump. The packers maneuvered to backfill the QB position anticipating the day that Farve would retire. That is strategy. The Pats surfaced from that Super Bowl beat down and slowly pieced together a dynasty. Both the Packers and the Patriots keep filling the pantry with quality play makers and stay aggressive making good decisions to win division title after division title. This year is no exception and the packers are doing it without a TE and the patriots just keep putting no name RBs and WRs into the starting lineup and stack title after title. that is not luck. That is successful strategic planning. The Chicago Bears are the opposite of this...

So you don't want a Qb on pace to throw for >4000 yars and >30 TDs? He has a 90+ Qb rating...geez

He's a loser. Check the standings. This team has come apart at the seams. Brady is the QB and the leader. Rogers is the QB and the leader. Manning is the QB and the leader. Brees is the QB and the leader. Cutler is no leader. He has been given coordinator after coordinator and the powers that be have surrounded him with everything he needs to be a success and he is a far cry from being a winner and a leader. No amount of surrounding talent and the mega watt money they paid this chump will cover up his nice fantasy football numbers for this year. When it counts the most he throws the pick into triple coverage and fumbles away the ball to kill drives and ultimately lose games. The token injury will soon surface (not wishing an injury on anyone here) and it will always be some excuse as to why Cutler cannot succeed in Chicago. He is Jeff George all over. Gaudy numbers but the stats you present do not show the mistakes - INTs and fumbles. Maybe next year after God only knows what type of moves or non-moves the brain trust makes. Lastly - in looking at the stat line you show - these are numbers for this year. What about previous years?

b

What do you mean what about previous years? He was a probowl QB with Denver and had 4000+ yards and 25+ TDs. In Chicago he was given the worst OL I have ever seen on a NFL team, along with Hester and Johny Knox and Roy freaking Williams and Kellen Davis as his WRs and TEs....the only weapon worth a darn that he had was Greg Olsen and Forte and the GM decided to trade Olsen away too. Have you noticed how none of those OL or WRs or TEs ever produced anywhere except Olsen? What does that tell you? Last year was the first year he had some talent around him (like you know the stud Qbs all around the league have - unless you are stupid to think Jimmy Graham and Gronk and Jordy Nelson and Demaryus Thomas etc are not going to be great without their current Qbs) and it showed....he would have produced 4000+ and 30+ TDs if he had not gotten injured on a fluky play. This year he is on pace for the same #s. You must be blind since you clearly never watched how awful our "o talent" was the last few years except last year and this year. Do you even watch any Bears games?

 

[Sweetness_34]

Since it takes a few years to judge a draft, here are the drafts by Ted Thompson not counting the last 2 years:

Packers draft picks in 2012 - not a single player had any impact:

1 - Nick Perry

2 - Jerel Worthy (was traded earlier this year after zero production)

3- Casey Hayward

4 - Mike Daniels

5 - Jerron Mcmillian

6 - Terrell Manning

7 - Andrew Datko and BJ Coleman

From the 2011 draft, only Cobb has been productive:

1 - Sherrod (bust every time he is on the field, which is rare since he is injured most of the time)

2 - Cobb

3 - Alex Green

4- Davon House

5- DJ Williams

6- Schlauderaff

6 - DJ Smith

....bunch of scrubs

For the 2010 draft, again no impact player....some starters but nothing special

1- Bulaga

2 - Mike Neal

3- Morgan Burnett

4- Quarles

5 - Newhouse

6 - James Starks

7 - CJ Wilson

From the 2009 draft, one impactful player (Matthews) and one starter (TJ Lang)

1 - BJ Raji (bust)

2 - Matthews

3 - Lang

..... bunch of scrubs

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

You seem to keep having an obsession with the Packers and Thompson.

Its ok to admit the guy knows what he is doing...your dumb and dumber thread about he and McCarthy hasn't worked out so well for you.

Oh, and Hayward, Perry, and Daniels are all making an impact right now for that team.

Cobb and House are a bunch of scrubs?

5 out of 7 players in 2010 are contributers...to claim Starks hasn't made an impact...did you not watch the playoffs and Super Bowl that year?

You keep calling others clueless...but then you post stuff like this to prove that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I did not call Cobb or House scrubs....you are definitely the leader of the meat heads around here. Go back and read carefully....the scrubs was supposed to be the later draft picks who I did not want to waste my time writing every name since none of those guys are in the NFL, Just like for 2009 I listed the top 3 picks (out of which I called Matthews as impactful but even he is not doing that well now that the NFL is actually testing for roids and HGH consistently) and then listed the rest as scrubs because there were no players worth mentioning. As always, you prove your IQ every time you post. Thompson's ability got exposed last year when Rodgers was injured. The team completely sank and if not for getting fluky wins against Vikings and Dallas, they would have not even had a chance for the playoffs. I have tons of packer fans and they could not believe how bad the team was once Rodgers got hurt. Rodgers covers up for a lot of your team's issue. Despite having Rodgers as the QB, Thompson only has one SB....that is quite an underachievement. The playoff losses every year shows how the team is not capable of beating any good NFC team....and it will happen again this year. Teams are running for 150+ yards on the packers D....no chance to win a SB with that kind of D.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

I think that not only is Cutler not an elite QB, I think they might be a better overall team if Kyle Orton or Josh McCown was their QB.

..... Josh McCown is definitely leading the Bucs to a championship this year. He does have all those tall WRs and tall TEs and they spent so much money in FA on the D and OL....that team is definitely a powerhouse now that they have McCown ....

 

[RBM]

Yup Sweetness...everything is just fine in Bearland.

 

[flapgreen]

Arians just keeps rolling. Brilliant coach

 

[DoubleG]

Well, look at the bright side. This Sunday is a night game - so at least it wont ruin your entire Sunday when we get beat 44-10.

 

[flapgreen]

Good point. Happy to have fantasy football.

 

[iamkoza]

doesnt it seem like the receipe to win this game would be to run forte/carey 35 times? if cutler attempts less than 30 passes this game is a win... they have to run and run and run against this crap run D... keep clock going, keep rodgers off the field. for the first 2-3 drives they should run on first and 2nd downs... then they can mix in play action on first/second down to get big plays

as for defense... they better bring pressure almost every play... last game v/ GB they sat back brought four... got no pressure and got picked apart.... bring 6-7 every play, play cover 1/0 and see what happens (very well could be bad things even with that approach...)

 

[IheartGuinness]

This should be an easy win for the bears. The Packers defense will get eviscerated by forte, and their linebackers are slow. Bennett should have a monster game. I think this is where the bears turn their season around with a complete annihilation of a division rival. After that, they should be in good shape for the rest of the year.

 

[Statcruncher]

I think this is where the bears turn their season around with a complete annihilation of a division rival.

IMO it will take a statement game to save the season. Another outing like the last GB game where their punter never left the sideline and I'm closing the chapter on this season.

 

[weebs]

Let's hope for a vintage Marshall showing

 

[-X-]

Remember the '77 Bears? Coming off of a 47-0 shellacking by the Oilers to start 3-5, they ran the table to finish 10-5 with Bob Avellini at QB. Bob friggin' Avellini.

 

[RBM]

This should be an easy win for the bears. The Packers defense will get eviscerated by forte, and their linebackers are slow. Bennett should have a monster game. I think this is where the bears turn their season around with a complete annihilation of a division rival. After that, they should be in good shape for the rest of the year.

Never once considered using ignore function, but this crap is making me consider it.

So fn annoying.

 

[The Tick]

Well, look at the bright side. This Sunday is a night game - so at least it wont ruin your entire Sunday when we get beat 44-10.

And plenty of time to be good and drunk before kickoff...

 

[lod01]

Let's hope for a vintage Marshall showing

This Marshall owner needs a Bears win because Marshall is currently as unstable as a nuclear reactor on an active fault line.

 

[weebs]

Let's hope for a vintage Marshall showing

This Marshall owner needs a Bears win because Marshall is currently as unstable as a nuclear reactor on an active fault line.

True that

 

[Statcruncher]

Remember the '77 Bears? Coming off of a 47-0 shellacking by the Oilers to start 3-5, they ran the table to finish 10-5 with Bob Avellini at QB. Bob friggin' Avellini.

Yeah, don't know that that's a great thing to remember. The teams they beat to run the table finished that season a combined 28 - 56. That 37 - 7 loss to Dallas in the playoffs is etched in my mind. A big factor in why I hate Dallas with even more of a burning passion than the Packers. I have no doubt Cutler could mirror Avellini's playoff performance though: 15/25 for 177 yards, 1 TD, 4 INT's. Yeah, that really buoys my spirits.

 

[flapgreen]

doesnt it seem like the receipe to win this game would be to run forte/carey 35 times? if cutler attempts less than 30 passes this game is a win... they have to run and run and run against this crap run D... keep clock going, keep rodgers off the field. for the first 2-3 drives they should run on first and 2nd downs... then they can mix in play action on first/second down to get big plays

as for defense... they better bring pressure almost every play... last game v/ GB they sat back brought four... got no pressure and got picked apart.... bring 6-7 every play, play cover 1/0 and see what happens (very well could be bad things even with that approach...)

Sounds good but you can't run 35 times when your D gives up a td every drive. D sucks. Forces us to play from behind. Pass a lot. Lose

 

[Power Monster]

Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.

I think Emery has done a decent job with talent. Fuller, Long and Jeffrey were far from no-brainers. Fuller came as a surprise. I thought they would go after Aaron Donald or one of those safeties. When he drafted Long everyone thought he reached. Long was projected in the second round. Jeffrey was the 7th WR off the board. Emery traded for Marshall. That was brilliant. Last year he signed Slauson, Bushrod, and drafted Long and Jordan Mills. The offensive line went from a disaster to a solid unit. He signed Bennett. That was a terrific signing. This year he signed Willie Young and Lamar Houston, both good signings. He drafted Ferguson and Sutton. They focused on the d-line and that group is greatly improved.

He has made mistakes. They keep insisting that Conte can play. He signed a number of safeties and they all suck. He drafted Shea in the first in 2012, and we all see he can't play. Bostic and Greene have yet to show much. I think the biggest mistake was signing Cutler to this big contract. Now they are saddled with Cutler for at least two more years. Last year Trestman looked like a brilliant hire. This year it looks like Arians would have been a much better choice. I don't think Emery is brilliant, but he has done a lot of good things. The two biggest mistakes, resigning Cutler, and hiring Trestman, may be what costs Emery his job. But Emery is certainly a huge improvement over Angelo.

Interesting to note from your position that the brilliant signings that Emery has made are nothing more than stop gaps from years of poor drafting. The Chicago bears are playing a classic game of damage control from previous regimes. It is nothing more than a wash rise and repeat over and over. The blame game of the former management team intentionally hides the incompetence of the current regime. This ploy has been in play for years. The only thing that will wash away the current dung heap is a win at GB but that is a reach. For all the props this defense receives they have been tarred and feathered. The NE tape will tell the tale. The lack of execution from an offense loaded with play makers is a coaching and a personnel issue. Cutler is again at fault because he is no leader and now we are getting the mid day like soap opera of Cutler and Marshall. Meanwhile - look at the Broncos after they sent Jay boy packing. Look at NE since we clobbered them in the 85 dream season and look at the Packers after that 85 dream season where Packer players were eating hot dogs on the sidelines during a game with the Bears. Those three organizations have all made incredible strides to churn out wave after wave of success. They make great moves in the draft and they make solid free agent moves to add flavor to their teams. The Bears add free agents to fix stupidity after busted drafts and when they draft a decent class they fail to surround those players with NFL caliber coaches. Wash rinse and repeat. This is why they suck and will continue to suck. This team lacks identity and true leaders within their units. Long and Marshall are trying but they are not in sync with the vets and the coaching staff. There is a malcontent on this team, perhaps a few that are ruining the dynamics. Ohhh and then there is that special teams, It all adds up to what the ultimate metric is a losing record.

The packers got lucky that Rodgers fell to them .... do not forget how bad they looked when Rodgers was out last year. Same thing with the Pats getting lucky on a 6th round franchise qb.....Belichik himself admits he got lucky....otherwise they would not wait until the 6th round. Pats have made tons of bad draft picks (see all the WRs they have drafted and bombed on).....packers have made lots of bad draft picks too.....par for the course

I guess the Bears were unlucky when they decided to take the bait and trade their future for a malcontent that is being paid like a king but plays like a chump. The packers maneuvered to backfill the QB position anticipating the day that Farve would retire. That is strategy. The Pats surfaced from that Super Bowl beat down and slowly pieced together a dynasty. Both the Packers and the Patriots keep filling the pantry with quality play makers and stay aggressive making good decisions to win division title after division title. This year is no exception and the packers are doing it without a TE and the patriots just keep putting no name RBs and WRs into the starting lineup and stack title after title. that is not luck. That is successful strategic planning. The Chicago Bears are the opposite of this...

So you don't want a Qb on pace to throw for >4000 yars and >30 TDs? He has a 90+ Qb rating...geez

He's a loser. Check the standings. This team has come apart at the seams. Brady is the QB and the leader. Rogers is the QB and the leader. Manning is the QB and the leader. Brees is the QB and the leader. Cutler is no leader. He has been given coordinator after coordinator and the powers that be have surrounded him with everything he needs to be a success and he is a far cry from being a winner and a leader. No amount of surrounding talent and the mega watt money they paid this chump will cover up his nice fantasy football numbers for this year. When it counts the most he throws the pick into triple coverage and fumbles away the ball to kill drives and ultimately lose games. The token injury will soon surface (not wishing an injury on anyone here) and it will always be some excuse as to why Cutler cannot succeed in Chicago. He is Jeff George all over. Gaudy numbers but the stats you present do not show the mistakes - INTs and fumbles. Maybe next year after God only knows what type of moves or non-moves the brain trust makes. Lastly - in looking at the stat line you show - these are numbers for this year. What about previous years?

b

What do you mean what about previous years? He was a probowl QB with Denver and had 4000+ yards and 25+ TDs. In Chicago he was given the worst OL I have ever seen on a NFL team, along with Hester and Johny Knox and Roy freaking Williams and Kellen Davis as his WRs and TEs....the only weapon worth a darn that he had was Greg Olsen and Forte and the GM decided to trade Olsen away too. Have you noticed how none of those OL or WRs or TEs ever produced anywhere except Olsen? What does that tell you? Last year was the first year he had some talent around him (like you know the stud Qbs all around the league have - unless you are stupid to think Jimmy Graham and Gronk and Jordy Nelson and Demaryus Thomas etc are not going to be great without their current Qbs) and it showed....he would have produced 4000+ and 30+ TDs if he had not gotten injured on a fluky play. This year he is on pace for the same #s. You must be blind since you clearly never watched how awful our "o talent" was the last few years except last year and this year. Do you even watch any Bears games?

Elite QBs keep executing as the player turnover hits. All the top QBs in the past 3 years have seen roster turnovers. Hmmmm I recall owning him in FF when he was throwing picks in the red zone. Tossing footballs into triple coverage. Throwing off his back foot. No not Jay's fault. Must have been Johnny Knox. Must have been the bad OL. Not Jay. Never given a chance. Lovie did not work. Martz did not work. And now this year - great fantasy football numbers BUT lousy results. Jay Cutler is a malcontent and a loser. He couldn't wash the elites jock straps. Not his fault? Have I watched any Bear's games? All you are doing is cherry picking here. This organization blows and he is a big part of it all. His numbers in previous years sucked because he sucks. This year He IS surrounded by the top talent. He now has a solid OL. They gave him the great QB whisperer. They even gave him his old buddy from Denver in his ohhhh so awesome Pro Bowl year and this team is a mess. He has a top TE and an elite RB but it is the same old pouty #### Jay fumbling the ball. Tossing insane picks. Failing to lead and take the team to win big games when it counts. The frustrated fans presenting logical points in this thread understand this but you seem to be delusional. Your just up here drinking the Bear's kool aide thinking that this latrine is a diamond mine. They are in last place and in the top 8 of the lamest in the league at this point. They are the laughing stock of the NFC North. Packers fans have been urinating golden streams of insults on Bear fans for years but you want to come up here and tell me the some old broken rhetoric about how poor Jay had scrubs for receivers back in the dark days and now he really gets to shine. All this and a 3-5 record good for last place. 4th worse team in the conference and they were just busted and forced to eat dirt by a QB that the Pats were just lucky to get. As if Brady never had to work with more than just Gronk who was injured last year. LeFell? Who had him pegged as a stud in August. Danny Amendola? Edelman? How about Manning with his broken spine? having to learn to throw again and then learn a new system. It was all too easy with these elite players in your book. I will stress my point again - this organization is a joke and Cutler has proven to be nothing but a loser. End of story.

 

[The Tick]

doesnt it seem like the receipe to win this game would be to run forte/carey 35 times? if cutler attempts less than 30 passes this game is a win... they have to run and run and run against this crap run D... keep clock going, keep rodgers off the field. for the first 2-3 drives they should run on first and 2nd downs... then they can mix in play action on first/second down to get big plays

as for defense... they better bring pressure almost every play... last game v/ GB they sat back brought four... got no pressure and got picked apart.... bring 6-7 every play, play cover 1/0 and see what happens (very well could be bad things even with that approach...)

Sounds good but you can't run 35 times when your D gives up a td every drive. D sucks. Forces us to play from behind. Pass a lot. Lose

Yes you can, you just need to be scoring on these long drives. He's not talking about our 6 and out and 3 and out running drives that started the Pats game. He's talking about long drives heavily using the running game but still staying ahead of the chains and at the end of those you need to get points to not allow yourself to get behind like that. This offense was supposed to be able to do that, and should have the talent to do it against what looks to be a banged up GB defense, not saying we will, but it's the only way this team can stay in the game against a high powered offense.

 

[RBM]

Sweetness, all you talk about is numbers. Are you new to football through fantasy or something?

Not sure why else you'd only evaluate qbs by their numbers. Strange.

 

[flapgreen]

Strange ain't the word I was thinking about

 

[sho nuff]

So the Bears got beat by the Fins and got pounded by the Pats.....I know the average IQ of the meat head fans in this thread is not much but the Pats just blew out the Broncos (who were considered the best team in the NFL) and they also walloped the Bengals earlier.....the Fins just blew out a Chargers team that was considered top 5 in the AFC and the Fins should have beaten the packers and also hammered the Pats on opening day. Just saying.....facts - stuff that the meat heads here do not understand

Oh and more facts for the Cutler haters - Palmer threw a pick 6 today....Rivers threw a bunch of picks today....Manning cost his team with an awful early int....Kapernick turned the ball over despite being in guaranteed FG range that would tie his team at home and instead he cost them the win. #facts.

Should have beat is a fact?

Interesting.

BTW...Rivers was criticized for his play...so was Palmer, Manning, and Kaepernick.

Probably without someone whining that people were being too mean about him.

 

[sho nuff]

Interesting to note that the defense has actually gotten better than last year but they set a franchise record for most points allowed in a half by a Bears defense. The problem here is the same thing I have been saying for years - they solve a problem they open up 2 to 3 more gaps. They simply cannot evaluate talent. All this no GM hits on every pick is just drinking the kool aide. The record speaks for itself. The broken records of a franchise that was built on defense is alarming. This GM is brutal. I will take the flip side and state that every now and then a guppy GM will hit pay dirt but then again these impact players - Fuller, Long and Jeffrey are no brainers. They had high value going in and frankly the OL has taken a step back this year. It all adds up to another year of failure.

I think Emery has done a decent job with talent. Fuller, Long and Jeffrey were far from no-brainers. Fuller came as a surprise. I thought they would go after Aaron Donald or one of those safeties. When he drafted Long everyone thought he reached. Long was projected in the second round. Jeffrey was the 7th WR off the board. Emery traded for Marshall. That was brilliant. Last year he signed Slauson, Bushrod, and drafted Long and Jordan Mills. The offensive line went from a disaster to a solid unit. He signed Bennett. That was a terrific signing. This year he signed Willie Young and Lamar Houston, both good signings. He drafted Ferguson and Sutton. They focused on the d-line and that group is greatly improved.

He has made mistakes. They keep insisting that Conte can play. He signed a number of safeties and they all suck. He drafted Shea in the first in 2012, and we all see he can't play. Bostic and Greene have yet to show much. I think the biggest mistake was signing Cutler to this big contract. Now they are saddled with Cutler for at least two more years. Last year Trestman looked like a brilliant hire. This year it looks like Arians would have been a much better choice. I don't think Emery is brilliant, but he has done a lot of good things. The two biggest mistakes, resigning Cutler, and hiring Trestman, may be what costs Emery his job. But Emery is certainly a huge improvement over Angelo.

Interesting to note from your position that the brilliant signings that Emery has made are nothing more than stop gaps from years of poor drafting. The Chicago bears are playing a classic game of damage control from previous regimes. It is nothing more than a wash rise and repeat over and over. The blame game of the former management team intentionally hides the incompetence of the current regime. This ploy has been in play for years. The only thing that will wash away the current dung heap is a win at GB but that is a reach. For all the props this defense receives they have been tarred and feathered. The NE tape will tell the tale. The lack of execution from an offense loaded with play makers is a coaching and a personnel issue. Cutler is again at fault because he is no leader and now we are getting the mid day like soap opera of Cutler and Marshall. Meanwhile - look at the Broncos after they sent Jay boy packing. Look at NE since we clobbered them in the 85 dream season and look at the Packers after that 85 dream season where Packer players were eating hot dogs on the sidelines during a game with the Bears. Those three organizations have all made incredible strides to churn out wave after wave of success. They make great moves in the draft and they make solid free agent moves to add flavor to their teams. The Bears add free agents to fix stupidity after busted drafts and when they draft a decent class they fail to surround those players with NFL caliber coaches. Wash rinse and repeat. This is why they suck and will continue to suck. This team lacks identity and true leaders within their units. Long and Marshall are trying but they are not in sync with the vets and the coaching staff. There is a malcontent on this team, perhaps a few that are ruining the dynamics. Ohhh and then there is that special teams, It all adds up to what the ultimate metric is a losing record.

The packers got lucky that Rodgers fell to them .... do not forget how bad they looked when Rodgers was out last year. Same thing with the Pats getting lucky on a 6th round franchise qb.....Belichik himself admits he got lucky....otherwise they would not wait until the 6th round. Pats have made tons of bad draft picks (see all the WRs they have drafted and bombed on).....packers have made lots of bad draft picks too.....par for the course

I guess the Bears were unlucky when they decided to take the bait and trade their future for a malcontent that is being paid like a king but plays like a chump. The packers maneuvered to backfill the QB position anticipating the day that Farve would retire. That is strategy. The Pats surfaced from that Super Bowl beat down and slowly pieced together a dynasty. Both the Packers and the Patriots keep filling the pantry with quality play makers and stay aggressive making good decisions to win division title after division title. This year is no exception and the packers are doing it without a TE and the patriots just keep putting no name RBs and WRs into the starting lineup and stack title after title. that is not luck. That is successful strategic planning. The Chicago Bears are the opposite of this...

So you don't want a Qb on pace to throw for >4000 yars and >30 TDs? He has a 90+ Qb rating...geez

He's a loser. Check the standings. This team has come apart at the seams. Brady is the QB and the leader. Rogers is the QB and the leader. Manning is the QB and the leader. Brees is the QB and the leader. Cutler is no leader. He has been given coordinator after coordinator and the powers that be have surrounded him with everything he needs to be a success and he is a far cry from being a winner and a leader. No amount of surrounding talent and the mega watt money they paid this chump will cover up his nice fantasy football numbers for this year. When it counts the most he throws the pick into triple coverage and fumbles away the ball to kill drives and ultimately lose games. The token injury will soon surface (not wishing an injury on anyone here) and it will always be some excuse as to why Cutler cannot succeed in Chicago. He is Jeff George all over. Gaudy numbers but the stats you present do not show the mistakes - INTs and fumbles. Maybe next year after God only knows what type of moves or non-moves the brain trust makes. Lastly - in looking at the stat line you show - these are numbers for this year. What about previous years?

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What do you mean what about previous years? He was a probowl QB with Denver and had 4000+ yards and 25+ TDs. In Chicago he was given the worst OL I have ever seen on a NFL team, along with Hester and Johny Knox and Roy freaking Williams and Kellen Davis as his WRs and TEs....the only weapon worth a darn that he had was Greg Olsen and Forte and the GM decided to trade Olsen away too. Have you noticed how none of those OL or WRs or TEs ever produced anywhere except Olsen? What does that tell you? Last year was the first year he had some talent around him (like you know the stud Qbs all around the league have - unless you are stupid to think Jimmy Graham and Gronk and Jordy Nelson and Demaryus Thomas etc are not going to be great without their current Qbs) and it showed....he would have produced 4000+ and 30+ TDs if he had not gotten injured on a fluky play. This year he is on pace for the same #s. You must be blind since you clearly never watched how awful our "o talent" was the last few years except last year and this year. Do you even watch any Bears games?

Since you are into "facts". He never had 25+TDs for Denver (25 was his highest...no need for the +)...and only did that once for the Bears with 27 TDs.

Only went 4500+ once for the Broncos too...4526. And other than that year, he has only been above 3500 yards once (just over at 3666...and just under once at 3497)

Seems you have excuses and should haves rather than facts...and a lot of things that happen with Cutler are "fluky" to you.

Wondering if you watch any football games...not just the Bears.

 

[sho nuff]

Since it takes a few years to judge a draft, here are the drafts by Ted Thompson not counting the last 2 years:

Packers draft picks in 2012 - not a single player had any impact:

1 - Nick Perry

2 - Jerel Worthy (was traded earlier this year after zero production)

3- Casey Hayward

4 - Mike Daniels

5 - Jerron Mcmillian

6 - Terrell Manning

7 - Andrew Datko and BJ Coleman

From the 2011 draft, only Cobb has been productive:

1 - Sherrod (bust every time he is on the field, which is rare since he is injured most of the time)

2 - Cobb

3 - Alex Green

4- Davon House

5- DJ Williams

6- Schlauderaff

6 - DJ Smith

....bunch of scrubs

For the 2010 draft, again no impact player....some starters but nothing special

1- Bulaga

2 - Mike Neal

3- Morgan Burnett

4- Quarles

5 - Newhouse

6 - James Starks

7 - CJ Wilson

From the 2009 draft, one impactful player (Matthews) and one starter (TJ Lang)

1 - BJ Raji (bust)

2 - Matthews

3 - Lang

..... bunch of scrubs

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/draft.htm

You seem to keep having an obsession with the Packers and Thompson.

Its ok to admit the guy knows what he is doing...your dumb and dumber thread about he and McCarthy hasn't worked out so well for you.

Oh, and Hayward, Perry, and Daniels are all making an impact right now for that team.

Cobb and House are a bunch of scrubs?

5 out of 7 players in 2010 are contributers...to claim Starks hasn't made an impact...did you not watch the playoffs and Super Bowl that year?

You keep calling others clueless...but then you post stuff like this to prove that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

I did not call Cobb or House scrubs....you are definitely the leader of the meat heads around here. Go back and read carefully....the scrubs was supposed to be the later draft picks who I did not want to waste my time writing every name since none of those guys are in the NFL, Just like for 2009 I listed the top 3 picks (out of which I called Matthews as impactful but even he is not doing that well now that the NFL is actually testing for roids and HGH consistently) and then listed the rest as scrubs because there were no players worth mentioning. As always, you prove your IQ every time you post. Thompson's ability got exposed last year when Rodgers was injured. The team completely sank and if not for getting fluky wins against Vikings and Dallas, they would have not even had a chance for the playoffs. I have tons of packer fans and they could not believe how bad the team was once Rodgers got hurt. Rodgers covers up for a lot of your team's issue. Despite having Rodgers as the QB, Thompson only has one SB....that is quite an underachievement. The playoff losses every year shows how the team is not capable of beating any good NFC team....and it will happen again this year. Teams are running for 150+ yards on the packers D....no chance to win a SB with that kind of D.

You might want to watch football more if you think Matthews isn't doing well right now.

Quit looking at one stat for him.

The point remains...your attempt at criticizing the drafts of a team that has consistently been contenders not only for the division but for a possible Super Bowl is laughable.

You calling me a meat head just makes me laugh even more.

 

[yoman]

The only thing I agree with Sweetness_34 about is that the Bears O line sucked and Mad Mike Martz didn't do Cutler any favors with his 20 step drops. I don't agree that having no good skill players and a bad O line is something that someone like Brady or Manning could thrive in especially earlier in their careers. People were starting to write off Rivers a few years ago and he started playing well again once they fixed the O line. The same thing happened to Eli who in many ways reminds me of Cutler when he gets pressured because he likes to throw the ball a lot to the other team. Cutler is a huge problem right now and it doesn't look like Trestman can coach the bad habits out of him. As many have mentioned, he still locks onto receivers, throws off his back foot and doesn't take what the D gives him.

Sweetness - Please stop obsessing over the far superior Packers drafts. I did that comparison for you. Drafts aren't just about getting superstars but they are about filling out rosters. We have about 5 players left from the Angelo era and only 1 viable player from Emery's first draft. It is going to take time to build this team back up. At least the last 2 drafts look promising.

 

[Statcruncher]

Lol, at this point I don't know which is more painful; turning on the Bears game or opening this thread.

 

[DaveL]

Lol, at this point I don't know which is more painful; turning on the Bears game or opening this thread.

This thread, without question. I hate opening this thread, just a bunch of complaining and fighting and jumping ship

 

[Statcruncher]

Lol, at this point I don't know which is more painful; turning on the Bears game or opening this thread.

This thread, without question. I hate opening this thread, just a bunch of complaining and fighting and jumping ship

Not that I disagree with you, but isn't it only possible to jump ship when it's still above water?

 

[DaveL]

Lol, at this point I don't know which is more painful; turning on the Bears game or opening this thread.

This thread, without question. I hate opening this thread, just a bunch of complaining and fighting and jumping ship

Not that I disagree with you, but isn't it only possible to jump ship when it's still above water?

If you're ready to call it a season after 8 games, that's fine. I'm not. So yes, it's still above water

 

[RBM]

Lol, at this point I don't know which is more painful; turning on the Bears game or opening this thread.

This thread, without question. I hate opening this thread, just a bunch of complaining and fighting and jumping ship

Not that I disagree with you, but isn't it only possible to jump ship when it's still above water?

If you're ready to call it a season after 8 games, that's fine. I'm not. So yes, it's still above water

Get blown out Sunday night....still above?

 

[DaveL]

Lol, at this point I don't know which is more painful; turning on the Bears game or opening this thread.

This thread, without question. I hate opening this thread, just a bunch of complaining and fighting and jumping ship

Not that I disagree with you, but isn't it only possible to jump ship when it's still above water?

If you're ready to call it a season after 8 games, that's fine. I'm not. So yes, it's still above water

Get blown out Sunday night....still above?

Yes, but with zero room for error. 5 home games, Lions/Vikings away after Sunday.

 

[flapgreen]

Get blown out Sunday and run the table. Not above

 

[DaveL]

Get blown out Sunday and run the table. Not above

Let's just hope we don't have to answer that question

 

[Statcruncher]

Lol, at this point I don't know which is more painful; turning on the Bears game or opening this thread.

This thread, without question. I hate opening this thread, just a bunch of complaining and fighting and jumping ship

Not that I disagree with you, but isn't it only possible to jump ship when it's still above water?

If you're ready to call it a season after 8 games, that's fine. I'm not. So yes, it's still above water

I think this is where the bears turn their season around with a complete annihilation of a division rival.

IMO it will take a statement game to save the season. Another outing like the last GB game where their punter never left the sideline and I'm closing the chapter on this season.

If they can't generate a win Sunday yes, they're underwater and dead.

 

[DoubleG]

Lol, at this point I don't know which is more painful; turning on the Bears game or opening this thread.

This thread, without question. I hate opening this thread, just a bunch of complaining and fighting and jumping ship

Not that I disagree with you, but isn't it only possible to jump ship when it's still above water?

If you're ready to call it a season after 8 games, that's fine. I'm not. So yes, it's still above water

I think this is where the bears turn their season around with a complete annihilation of a division rival.

IMO it will take a statement game to save the season. Another outing like the last GB game where their punter never left the sideline and I'm closing the chapter on this season.

If they can't generate a win Sunday yes, they're underwater and dead.

Agreed - and things will start to actually get worse. You think there are locker room "issues" now? Some think Tresty has lost the team already - fi they get blown out by the Packers AGAIN? After a bye? No - it'll get worse if they get lit up again Sunday.

 

[twistd]

Besides he's right, Cutler has a 95.8 qb rating this season. Add to that a 67.2% completion rate, both of which are career highs. He's the alltime leader in Bears history and people are calling for Clausen? Ridiculous

I think that not only is Cutler not an elite QB, I think they might be a better overall team if Kyle Orton or Josh McCown was their QB.

..... Josh McCown is definitely leading the Bucs to a championship this year. He does have all those tall WRs and tall TEs and they spent so much money in FA on the D and OL....that team is definitely a powerhouse now that they have McCown ....

I am not arguing that McCown is more talented than Cutler. There is not question that Cutler is more talented. But the Bears got better results with McCown. I believe that Trestman put McCown in the position to be successful. And I think McCown performed within that system very well. I believe that the Bears would be getting better results if they had a QB that played within this system. Cutler does not operate this offense the way it is designed.

When McCown went to Tampa he lost Trestman and he reverted to the veteran journeyman quarterback he was before last year. And of course Lovie worked his QB magic.

 

[flapgreen]

Hoyer is playing better than Cutler. :X

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Cutler's weapons scare me as a Packer fan. Also, I remember too many strange games in the series to not be worried. I'd be very happy to settle for a 1 point, last second victory involving some luck, and providing the Bears a moral victory due to the lucky nature of the win. I just want the game in the win column and nobody hurt.

 

[flapgreen]

Cutler 1-9 against the Pack. You guys will be fine.

 

[RBM]

Cutler's weapons scare me as a Packer fan. Also, I remember too many strange games in the series to not be worried. I'd be very happy to settle for a 1 point, last second victory involving some luck, and providing the Bears a moral victory due to the lucky nature of the win. I just want the game in the win column and nobody hurt.

41-18 Pack

 

[mbuehner]

The only concern is that this is the kind of game the Bears would inexplicably win. There's no logic behind it. And it wouldnt be in a shootout like you might think could potentially make some kind of sense. It would be a 12-7 game.

 

[RBM]

Hey Sweetness...they need you in the Bengals thread. Go tell em Dalton had 4300 yards and 33 tds last year.

 

[-X-]

Run the ball. Otherwise:

 

[sho nuff]

Cutler's weapons scare me as a Packer fan. Also, I remember too many strange games in the series to not be worried. I'd be very happy to settle for a 1 point, last second victory involving some luck, and providing the Bears a moral victory due to the lucky nature of the win. I just want the game in the win column and nobody hurt.

Nobody get hurt is the big thing.

Agreed on the weapons being scary. Big on the outside and inside with Bennett...and an RB who can hurt us.

If Cutler can just be smart...they could whip our defense easily (as they did early in the last game this year).

Also hoping at least one of Lang/Sitton can play. Benefitted last game from some injuries on the Bears Dline and not having pressure on Rodgers. Can't count on that if Lane Taylor and Tretter are playing guard over Sitton/Lang.

 

[The Tick]

Cutler's weapons scare me as a Packer fan. Also, I remember too many strange games in the series to not be worried. I'd be very happy to settle for a 1 point, last second victory involving some luck, and providing the Bears a moral victory due to the lucky nature of the win. I just want the game in the win column and nobody hurt.

Nobody get hurt is the big thing.

Agreed on the weapons being scary. Big on the outside and inside with Bennett...and an RB who can hurt us.

If Cutler can just be smart...they could whip our defense easily (as they did early in the last game this year).

Also hoping at least one of Lang/Sitton can play. Benefitted last game from some injuries on the Bears Dline and not having pressure on Rodgers. Can't count on that if Lane Taylor and Tretter are playing guard over Sitton/Lang.

are any of your cb's out, or are they both back? Those ght I heard something was up with them lately.

 

[sho nuff]

Cutler's weapons scare me as a Packer fan. Also, I remember too many strange games in the series to not be worried. I'd be very happy to settle for a 1 point, last second victory involving some luck, and providing the Bears a moral victory due to the lucky nature of the win. I just want the game in the win column and nobody hurt.

Nobody get hurt is the big thing.

Agreed on the weapons being scary. Big on the outside and inside with Bennett...and an RB who can hurt us.

If Cutler can just be smart...they could whip our defense easily (as they did early in the last game this year).

Also hoping at least one of Lang/Sitton can play. Benefitted last game from some injuries on the Bears Dline and not having pressure on Rodgers. Can't count on that if Lane Taylor and Tretter are playing guard over Sitton/Lang.

are any of your cb's out, or are they both back? Those ght I heard something was up with them lately.

Shields is back. Burnett is back too.

At least they practiced in full yesterday and Wednesday.

So the secondary is back to normal.

The guards are the only real injury concern (outside of Rodger's hammy of course...but I think he is fine)