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The Tick
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Yes, but Trestman had to have wanted Cutler, I can't believe he went into Emory's office and said, please don't sign this Cutler guy, it won't happen, just give me McCown and we'll find someone new. I don't think Emory would have locked Cutler up without Trestman's ok, that yes, this was the guy he wanted to move forward with.
On top of that, it's not just the losing it's how they are doing that really starts to implicate the coach. We came out today and immediately starting committing penalties from the first play. That's just not a well coached and disciplined team.
flapgreen
Footballguy
It really was. Pack could've easily scored another 3 tds.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
pats are on pace for most penalties since belichick started coaching that team and they got wrecked by kc and mia ---- should we follow cle/bal example and run him out of town(s)?
that's probably a ridiculous comparison given his track record, but there were threads a few years ago calling for the firing of mccarthy and thompson.
considering you guys jettisoned a guy with a fairly solid record for trestman, I think it's way too early to be talking about moving on to the next guy, although I'd agree that tucker probably shouldn't be around next year.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Embarrassing. At least we'll have a top 10 (maybe top 5) draft pick to look forward to. <_< 
twistd
Footballguy
The problem is, at this point Trestman has lost the locker room. After a bye week, the team came out unprepared and played one of the worst games I have ever seen a Bears team play. They really locked lost. You have to do something at this point. This team has talent. Their skill position players are amongst the best in the league, excluding Cutler, of course. Yet there are 20 teams that have scored more points than the Bears. The defense has given up the most points in the league. Granted the defense is under manned, but this effort against the Packers, and what they did against the Patriots, is embarrassing. The season is over with. You need to send a message to this team.
The reality is that Ted Phillips should go. Trestman should go. Emery should go. They should clean house and start over. But the likelihood is that they won't do that. They will fire Tucker and the special teams coach. They will be the sacrificial lambs for the debacle that is this season.
I've defended Emery, but the single most important decision he made was hiring a coach and he blew that. Trestman is completely in over his head as a head coach. Emery re-signed a lot of players and the Bears are committed to a ton of money for players who aren't worth their contracts. The Bears were the oldest team in the league coming in to the season. They are going to have to ride out some of these contracts and build through the draft. I feel at this point Emery isn't the guy to do this. But, the Bears will do what they always do, pretend that a few minor changes are sufficient, tell us all that next year will be the year that it all comes together, and we limp in to the future.
twistd
Footballguy
It isn't just the penalties. Trestman is still saying he has complete confidence in his assistant coaches. Really? The Bears have a historically bad defense. This defense has given up 50 points in three of the last eleven games. They did it twice this year, after Emery spent a huge amount of resources retooling this defense. Maybe the talent on the defense is better than it appears. If so, that is an indictment of Tucker and his staff. But Tim Jennings isn't close to the player he has been. Bostic and Greene have shown very little. The safeties are not improved over last year. Ego and Sutton look like they may be able to play. Ratliffe and Willie Young look like good signings. Houston was playing decent before the injury. I don't know if they just don't have good enough talent to improve, or if this coaching staff doesn't know how to utilize the talent they have. But the bottom line is that result is the same.
On the offense they largely have the same personnel that was so successful last year. The line isn't playing as well. Cutler is playing more poorly than last year. Jeffrey looks ordinary this year. Last year he looked like a beast. The only two players at the skill positions that are playing as well or better than last year are Forte and Bennett. Maybe the personnel played over their heads last year, and isn't as good as it looked last year. I don't know. But something has to change. Sitting on your hands and hoping things will magically get better is a formula for more of the same.
chickensoup
Footballguy
There was a great stat during the game last night that goes unnoticed sometimes. The Bears have 31 players on their team who have played for another team, most in the NFL. The Packers have 5, good for the least by a large margin.The Bears pay huge amounts of money to free agents to try to fit together a patchwork team instead of building talent and depth through the draft. Really it's the depth that's a problem. They have none.
Contrast their team with the Packers. They pay players that they have coached to be in their system that deserve to be paid. People like to point to the Rodgers drafting as the reason they are successful, but I give full credit to Ted Thompson. He's built a squad of team first players who want to play
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JaxBill
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
as a bear fan and season ticket holder.... i have no idea what needs to be done to fix this mess. All i know is there needs to be an influx of young talent... I don't know if emery is the guy to acquire that talent... his track record so far has been a mixed bag at best in the draft...
you can fire trestman and mel tucker... but what does that do for you this season? the fix is going to come through multiple years of good drafts... that 31 players from other teams on the bears roster is very telling for how bad the drafting has been
you can fire trestman and mel tucker... but what does that do for you this season? the fix is going to come through multiple years of good drafts... that 31 players from other teams on the bears roster is very telling for how bad the drafting has been
DoubleG
Footballguy
They are mostly healthy - depth has little to do with it. They have talent - the coaching staff has simply done an abominable job of putting the players in positions to succeed. Whether its play calling, schematically, or preparation - the coaching has been terrible in every possible way.chickensoup said:
twistd
Footballguy
I would agree, but one of the things to point to is that a lot of the acquisitions have worked. The Bears traded for Marshall. That has, no doubt, been a success. They signed Bennett, Bushrod, and Slauson. Last year the signings, and the draft, made the offensive line from a disaster to a pretty solid unit. Bennett has been a terrific signing. In hindsight I don't like the Cutler extension, but that is the biggest mistake they made offensively.chickensoup said:
Defensively, the Allen signing was a bust. Re-signing Jennings seems to have been a mistake. Re-signing Tillman was at least a fairly inexpensive mistake. All the safety signings were a mistake. But Willie Young, and Ratliffe were good signings. I don't know how they are in terms of value. Even Houston was playing well before the injury. He wasn't giving you anything in the pass rush department, but he was solid against the run. Maybe you should expect more from him than you were getting, I don't know.
There have definitely been draft mistakes. Shea certainly falls in that category. Jeffrey is the only thing of value out of the 2012 draft. Sutton and Ferguson seem to have potential. I like Fuller. I haven't seen much from Bostic or Greene to be optimistic. Kyle Long and Jordan Mills appear to be good players. So, overall the draft is a mixed bag.
The problem is that despite the signings and the draft the team isn't getting better. They fire Lovie after a 10-6 season. Then they go 8-8. This season appears like they are headed for 5-11 or 6-10, maybe 4-12. Last year you would have no debate that the offensive personnel was much better than they were in 2012. You have the same offensive personnel this year, and you have done all this to improve the defensive personnel. But the results are getting worse. Last year was a historically good offense and a historically bad defense. Now the offense is mediocre and the defense is, once again, historically bad. But you can't argue with results. They went 8-8 under Trestman the first year, and now they are poised to go maybe 5-11. My point is that they seem to have better personnel than they had in 2012, but they are getting worse results.
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Statcruncher
Footballguy
So bad there's nothing to do except laugh. And drink. Loved the sideline shots after GB scored, all the Bears defensive players are looking around at each other like WTF? As bad as the defense is the offense is probably worse, as they have a ridiculous amount of talent and still can't do anything. At least it can't any worse. Right?
flapgreen
Footballguy
I thought that after the Pats game. We could be headed toward some type of historic debacle the league has never seen.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
It is amusing at this point.
flapgreen
Footballguy
He was never going to be fired this quick.
The Tick
Footballguy
I know, wishful thinking. I'm still not convinced they fire him at the end of the season...
Mister Martie
Footballguy
Don't worry, guys. Trestman is going to review the practice tape.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Two of which never should play, one who never can play, and another who has disappeared for some reason.
DoubleG
Footballguy
FYP. All those amazing Alshon Jeffrey catches last year? McCown was the one getting him the ball. At least McCown was smart enough to throw to the open guy.
Part of the problem is Cutler thinks he is the smartest guy in the offense. I read that he checked out of several runs early in the game to throw instead - against one of the worse run defending teams in the league.
Tucker and Cutler need to go. Sadly Cutler is not going anywhere and Trestman doesn't have the back bone to can Tucker.
Welcome to football hell. At least the REALLY bad teams have good draft picks to look forward to. The Bears are going to try to whip up on the Vikings and Tampa so they can finish around 7-9 and get a really crappy draft slot to go with their crappy team. Yeah Phil...yeah Mark.
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
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twistd
Footballguy
I actually think that Trestman was probably told today that changes will occur at the end of the year. My guess is that Trestman gets at least one more year. I think Tucker and the special teams coach will get canned. After next year Trestman will get canned. And unless the team improves next year I suspect that Emery might be gone. If Emery does a good job in the draft next year, and the players he has already drafted develop, he will stick around awhile. I think the Bears are in for a rough ride the next few years. The only thing that could change that situation with Trestman is if the team has quit. It looked like that last night. If the Bears continue to mail it in the rest of the season they may have no choice by to can Trestman.
