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Sweetness_34
Footballguy
You guys have no idea how loudly I screamed when I read about Allen....for the past month I have been dying to see the Bears sign Allen. When they recently restructured Cutler's contract, I was so so so hoping it was to make room for Allen. And now it is true....Welcome Allen. Time to unleash the Monsters of the Midway...this D is gonna rock. Get the best DT or S in the draft and lets go to war.
So freaking pumped.....Allen is so much better than Peppers at this stage of their careers.
So freaking pumped.....Allen is so much better than Peppers at this stage of their careers.
Hooper31
Footballguy
Anyone worried the Bears are potentially mortgaging their future by committing too much towards Allen? I don't know the details, but have seen the number reported as somewhere around $15 million guaranteed. I know the number gets reported as four years, but what's the realistic length and dollar amount for this contract?
sublimeone
Footballguy
yeah, I heard it's a 4 year 32mil with 15 guaranteed. Basically a 2 year deal. The future is now. Brandon Marshall, Matt Forte, Lance Briggs, Charles Tillman even Tim Jennings aren't going to be around forever. The Bears have a top tier offense, if they can get a top 10-15 defense they are contenders. If they were rebuilding they wouldn't have brought Tillman and a host of other aging players back.
The Tick
Footballguy
Yeah, of course, but it all depends on how the contract is structured. I've seen 15m guaranteed over the first two years, so that sounds like not all of it is signing bonus. With cutler's deal, until they turned 5m into a signing bonus, it was all year by year paid. So that 15m could be a guaranteed salary of 7m this year, and 8m next year, that gives us no long term risk. A big commitment yes, but mortgaging the future, no.
Kinda like how Cutler's huge deal doesn't carry much long term risk. After 3 years, unless we do more conversions for moves like Allen, it would cost us 2m to cut him, that's nothing. We are eating the guaranteed cap his in the early years of the contract.
sublimeone
Footballguy
What's a more valuable first round pick to the Bears at this point, a safety or DT?
The current tackles are Ratliff, Nate Collins, Steven Paea and then you have Idonije and Houston who can move inside... compare that to the Bears safeties, we have Conte, Mundy, Jennings and Steltz. The BPA may determine this pick, but with all things equal you would think safety is a greater need.
The current tackles are Ratliff, Nate Collins, Steven Paea and then you have Idonije and Houston who can move inside... compare that to the Bears safeties, we have Conte, Mundy, Jennings and Steltz. The BPA may determine this pick, but with all things equal you would think safety is a greater need.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Bold moves to improve the defense but they still need a DT, safety and CB. I say you build your lines.
Bears are looking favorable to compete and take the NFC.
Still - the keys here are going to be:
1. Health
2. Cutler
3. Effective draft
Bears are looking favorable to compete and take the NFC.
Still - the keys here are going to be:
1. Health
2. Cutler
3. Effective draft
RBM
Footballguy
I believe we will be seeing Houston play inside quite a bit. Allen, Young and Bass will be the primary pass rushers. I can't believe this but this is shaping up to be a very potent D line.
I also think the 14 pick now looks more like Pryor or Clinton Dix.
This team could be very good. It's going to come down to Cutler making this the best offense in the league, which is very possible. Don't think there is a team that can match our rb/wr/te talent level.
I also think the 14 pick now looks more like Pryor or Clinton Dix.
This team could be very good. It's going to come down to Cutler making this the best offense in the league, which is very possible. Don't think there is a team that can match our rb/wr/te talent level.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
Like the thought of Jared Allen for 2 years, really opens up options in the draft for Emery. I was really concerned with the amount of resources the D needed but on paper they've made good strides. Hate to see Hester go but no way he's worth that amount.
Health killed the Bears last year on defense and they have a lot of older players there. Hopefully the Bears will be able to use a rotation of D lineman (more like teams like Seattle) to keep some of their players fresh. I also hope that we get the motivated version of Jared Allen and his skills aren't eroding because it sounds like he wasn't that consistent last year. In the first round I hope the Bears take the best player on their board and not draft towards position. If one of the top 2 safeties is available than I would think it would be a no-brainer but I would definitely welcome more help on the D even with their signings. As mentioned earlier in this thread They will also need a successor to Garza either in the draft or through free agency.
The Bears are trying to win now and I am very happy that Phil Emery has tried to address the Bears most urgent needs these past 2 offseason. Hopefully they will be contenders this year!
RBM
Footballguy
I think Bostic is moving outside, he didn't seem to work in the middle. Which makes the SLB position battle one of the more interesting ones we will have. Bostic vs Shea.
And we need a backup MLB that's ready to play given DJs track record on getting dinged.
Vector
Footballguy
I still would take Donald if available. If not it would make sense. I'm a big believer in the front line though. If the Bears could field a player at each of the front 4 positions that could apply pressure that can hide many deficiencies in the backfield. Add to that Shea playing as a wildcard LB focused on rushing and we can give opposing QB's fits.
Being there are only 2 safeties of round 1 caliber, the point may be moot.
Being there are only 2 safeties of round 1 caliber, the point may be moot.
RBM
Footballguy
The Tick
Footballguy
Another big question for me is will the guy taken a whatever position, DT, DL, S, CB, be one of the name guys that are being predicted RD1 guys, or be yet another pick that I don't think anyone saw coming in RD1?
In the last two years I don't think you saw McClellin or Long in anyone's RD1 mock. One was a hit, the other, not so much. I'm guessing with us having even a higher pick this year it will be a guy that's been projected, but really who knows.
As far as position, not saying safety would be a bad play as I don't think we have a starting safety on the roster ( I think Conte may be near the best of the bunch honestly), but I will only believe it when I see it. I think it's going to be on the DL.
Also, is Clinton-Dix that good in coverage? His int numbers look to be a kinda low. I don't watch any Alabama games, so I honestly don't know.
In the last two years I don't think you saw McClellin or Long in anyone's RD1 mock. One was a hit, the other, not so much. I'm guessing with us having even a higher pick this year it will be a guy that's been projected, but really who knows.
As far as position, not saying safety would be a bad play as I don't think we have a starting safety on the roster ( I think Conte may be near the best of the bunch honestly), but I will only believe it when I see it. I think it's going to be on the DL.
Also, is Clinton-Dix that good in coverage? His int numbers look to be a kinda low. I don't watch any Alabama games, so I honestly don't know.
RBM
Footballguy
Great in coverage, covers a ton of ground. I actually think he will be gone by our pick so I'm not going to get my hopes up. Prototypical FS. And Pryor is almost the exact opposite. Better in smaller space, aggressive and very hard hitter. And I still prefer Jernigan over Donald. Anytime I watched Fla St it was impossible to miss Jernigan. And I just don't think Donald is big enough.
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jurb26
Footballguy
Agree on all accounts. The Donald hype has gone too far. Jernigan was better on the field and is my top 4-3 DT. HaHa is a great cover safety, though I'm not sure he has great hands. Hence the low number of picks. He's got great instincts and range as a cover guy, though. Pryor KPIs more a Bob Sanders type guy who will violently run down hill and fill an alley and make plays in the box.
Max Power
Footballguy
I doubt we trade up, and don't think they'd have to. I feel pretty confident one of the top 2 safeties will be there. And there is a lot of talent all over the defensive side I'd be happy with. I personally think both Dennard and Gilbert will be better players than Clinton-dix or Pryor. I think its going to be hard for the bears to make a pick this year that fans are unhappy with.
I'm kind of feeling a trade down if anything. But I know most teams are in the same boat, so that makes it unlikely.
I'm kind of feeling a trade down if anything. But I know most teams are in the same boat, so that makes it unlikely.
RBM
Footballguy
I'm sure Pryor will be there. Clinton Dix is a tossup but I don't think anyone besides Clowney is worth trading up for.Will we actually have to,trade UP to ensure we get one of the top 2 in the draft?flapgreen said:Well Conte is out for a few months, so basically no safeties at the moment.
Gustavo Fring
Footballguy
This is dreaming, but I would not be opposed to trading our 2014 1st and 2015 first to STL to draft Clowney if he is there at 2. Gotta think we have a good shot at the playoffs next year with the moves made so far, so next year's pick would likely be towards the back end of the first round.RBM said:I'm sure Pryor will be there. Clinton Dix is a tossup but I don't think anyone besides Clowney is worth trading up for.Will we actually have to,trade UP to ensure we get one of the top 2 in the draft?flapgreen said:Well Conte is out for a few months, so basically no safeties at the moment.
jurb26
Footballguy
That won't be nearly enough to move up that far, especially for Clowney. It would take your 1st and 2nd this year and next year at a minimum IMO.This is dreaming, but I would not be opposed to trading our 2014 1st and 2015 first to STL to draft Clowney if he is there at 2. Gotta think we have a good shot at the playoffs next year with the moves made so far, so next year's pick would likely be towards the back end of the first round.RBM said:I'm sure Pryor will be there. Clinton Dix is a tossup but I don't think anyone besides Clowney is worth trading up for.Will we actually have to,trade UP to ensure we get one of the top 2 in the draft?flapgreen said:Well Conte is out for a few months, so basically no safeties at the moment.
Louis Nix should be Chicago's selection, whether they trade down or take him at 14.
1) Nix can play the 1 tech in a 4-3 scheme and play the nose in a 3-4. Chicago has said they will dabble in both schemes and they need a player to play the nose.
2) Chicago was terrible vs the run in 2013. They made a lot of moves to help the pass: Jared Allen, Willie Young, Lamar Houston, Mundy, Jennings, etc. Not many of those issue will help the run defense. Nix can step in right away and keep opposing OL off of the linebackers.
3) Nix is a bit underrated right now because of his down 2013(knee injury and not as good of play), but he was amazing in the national championship game. He threw around Barrett Jones(4th round pick) and Chance Warmack(1st round pick) in that game.
4) Emery seems to like size/athletic players: Jeffery/Hardin/McClellin(although lighter)/Long. Nix is a freak at his size.
ETA:
They could grab Justin Ellis DT La Tech or DaQuan Jones DT Penn State in the 3-4 round to fill that same need, but they're not nearly the same difference maker that Louis Nix represents.
Other options at #14:
1) Aaron Donald DT Pitt- I think Donald is amazing, but i'm not sure he fits the scheme anymore. If they were playing Tampa 2, then he's the pick because he's Tommie Harris' twin. But Chicago isn't playing this scheme and therefore he doesn't fit.
2) Tim Jernigan DT Florida St- He's bigger than Donald, but I don't see him being an Emery pick. Not nearly consistent enough or worthy of #14.
3) Ra'Shede Hageman DT Minn- Both Hageman and Jernigan can play the 1 tech, but I don't see them playing the nose in a 3-4 scheme. I also don't see Hageman being good enough for #14 or a consistent player. I've seen him pushed back 5 yards on a double team, if that happens in college what the heck will happen in the league?
4) Justin Gilbert CB Ok State- Gilbert is very athletic and can play press man and follow a WR all over the field. He's worthy of the #14 pick. Part of me wonders how good of a football player Gilbert is vs athlete, but time will tell. However, Chicago just signed Jennings to a long term deal and resigned Tillman. If they draft Gilbert, where does he play? Put him or Jennings in the slot? Move Tillman to FS(heard he doesn't want to do this)? Have him ride the bench for 1 year?
5) Same as Gilbert with Dennard CB Mich St - Altho he's not nearly as athletic, but is more physical.
6) Ha Ha Clinton Dix FS Bama or Calvin Pryor SS Louisville- I think either of these players makes sense because you can plug them in right away and they will start.
1) Nix can play the 1 tech in a 4-3 scheme and play the nose in a 3-4. Chicago has said they will dabble in both schemes and they need a player to play the nose.
2) Chicago was terrible vs the run in 2013. They made a lot of moves to help the pass: Jared Allen, Willie Young, Lamar Houston, Mundy, Jennings, etc. Not many of those issue will help the run defense. Nix can step in right away and keep opposing OL off of the linebackers.
3) Nix is a bit underrated right now because of his down 2013(knee injury and not as good of play), but he was amazing in the national championship game. He threw around Barrett Jones(4th round pick) and Chance Warmack(1st round pick) in that game.
4) Emery seems to like size/athletic players: Jeffery/Hardin/McClellin(although lighter)/Long. Nix is a freak at his size.
ETA:
They could grab Justin Ellis DT La Tech or DaQuan Jones DT Penn State in the 3-4 round to fill that same need, but they're not nearly the same difference maker that Louis Nix represents.
Other options at #14:
1) Aaron Donald DT Pitt- I think Donald is amazing, but i'm not sure he fits the scheme anymore. If they were playing Tampa 2, then he's the pick because he's Tommie Harris' twin. But Chicago isn't playing this scheme and therefore he doesn't fit.
2) Tim Jernigan DT Florida St- He's bigger than Donald, but I don't see him being an Emery pick. Not nearly consistent enough or worthy of #14.
3) Ra'Shede Hageman DT Minn- Both Hageman and Jernigan can play the 1 tech, but I don't see them playing the nose in a 3-4 scheme. I also don't see Hageman being good enough for #14 or a consistent player. I've seen him pushed back 5 yards on a double team, if that happens in college what the heck will happen in the league?
4) Justin Gilbert CB Ok State- Gilbert is very athletic and can play press man and follow a WR all over the field. He's worthy of the #14 pick. Part of me wonders how good of a football player Gilbert is vs athlete, but time will tell. However, Chicago just signed Jennings to a long term deal and resigned Tillman. If they draft Gilbert, where does he play? Put him or Jennings in the slot? Move Tillman to FS(heard he doesn't want to do this)? Have him ride the bench for 1 year?
5) Same as Gilbert with Dennard CB Mich St - Altho he's not nearly as athletic, but is more physical.
6) Ha Ha Clinton Dix FS Bama or Calvin Pryor SS Louisville- I think either of these players makes sense because you can plug them in right away and they will start.
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I am honestly surprised we signed Brian De La Puente... great value signing and should be our short-term solution at C. Garza is good, but at age 35, don't be surprised if you see De La Puente be the new starting C.
At this time, I am still convinced that the bears will be drafting either a Defensive Tackle or Safety, depending on the value.
At this time, I am still convinced that the bears will be drafting either a Defensive Tackle or Safety, depending on the value.
3nOut
Footballguy
I thought I read somewhere that Houston wants to trade down form the first pick. Why not just give them these picks if they really want to move down?That won't be nearly enough to move up that far, especially for Clowney. It would take your 1st and 2nd this year and next year at a minimum IMO.This is dreaming, but I would not be opposed to trading our 2014 1st and 2015 first to STL to draft Clowney if he is there at 2. Gotta think we have a good shot at the playoffs next year with the moves made so far, so next year's pick would likely be towards the back end of the first round.I'm sure Pryor will be there. Clinton Dix is a tossup but I don't think anyone besides Clowney is worth trading up for.Will we actually have to,trade UP to ensure we get one of the top 2 in the draft?Well Conte is out for a few months, so basically no safeties at the moment.
Vector
Footballguy
The perfect draft:
Rd 1 - pick 14) Aaron Donald - DT, Pittsburgh (Quick penetrator will give Rodgers fits!)
Rd 2 - pick 51) Lamarcus Joiner - FS, Florida State (Played as CB mostly and some SS but may be a good FS fit for the Bears as he is versatile)
Rd 3 - pick 82) Deone Buchanon - SS, Washington State (He's moving up as we near the draft so probably will not last till this pick, but a future pro-bowl SS)
Rd 4 - pick 117) Shayne Skov - ILB, Stanford (Ranked around 115 overall but will probably go higher, this would be awesome to get him here)
That pretty well strengthens us up the middle!
Here's hoping everything falls into place for this draft.
Rd 1 - pick 14) Aaron Donald - DT, Pittsburgh (Quick penetrator will give Rodgers fits!)
Rd 2 - pick 51) Lamarcus Joiner - FS, Florida State (Played as CB mostly and some SS but may be a good FS fit for the Bears as he is versatile)
Rd 3 - pick 82) Deone Buchanon - SS, Washington State (He's moving up as we near the draft so probably will not last till this pick, but a future pro-bowl SS)
Rd 4 - pick 117) Shayne Skov - ILB, Stanford (Ranked around 115 overall but will probably go higher, this would be awesome to get him here)
That pretty well strengthens us up the middle!
Here's hoping everything falls into place for this draft.
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jurb26
Footballguy
HOU probably does want to trade down. I'm guessing they have more than a few teams interested in moving to their spot, though. I don't think there is anything wrong with the Bears making an offer like that. I just don't think it will get it done. Atl is a prime team that would be looking to move up for Clowney.I thought I read somewhere that Houston wants to trade down form the first pick. Why not just give them these picks if they really want to move down?That won't be nearly enough to move up that far, especially for Clowney. It would take your 1st and 2nd this year and next year at a minimum IMO.This is dreaming, but I would not be opposed to trading our 2014 1st and 2015 first to STL to draft Clowney if he is there at 2. Gotta think we have a good shot at the playoffs next year with the moves made so far, so next year's pick would likely be towards the back end of the first round.I'm sure Pryor will be there. Clinton Dix is a tossup but I don't think anyone besides Clowney is worth trading up for.Will we actually have to,trade UP to ensure we get one of the top 2 in the draft?Well Conte is out for a few months, so basically no safeties at the moment.
Vector
Footballguy
flapgreen
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/schedules/2014/REG/BEARS
Pros
Lions/Saints/Cowboys visiting Soldier Field in December
5 primetime (2 home)
11 days off before Saints
bye week before @ packers
5 of last 7 games at home
open at home
thanksgiving
Cons:
short week vs Packers
opening up niners stadium
5 of last 7 games at home in the cold (selfish from the tailgater)
Pros
Lions/Saints/Cowboys visiting Soldier Field in December
5 primetime (2 home)
11 days off before Saints
bye week before @ packers
5 of last 7 games at home
open at home
thanksgiving
Cons:
short week vs Packers
opening up niners stadium
5 of last 7 games at home in the cold (selfish from the tailgater)
Chicago Bears 2014 Regular Season Schedule
Week 1 — Sunday, Sept. 7, vs. Buffalo Bills at noon on Fox
Week 2 — Sunday, Sept. 14, at San Francisco 49ers at 7:30 p.m. on NBC
Week 3 — Monday, Sept. 22, at New York Jets at 7:30 on ESPN
Week 4 — Sunday, Sept. 28, vs. Green Bay Packers at noon on Fox
Week 5 — Sunday, Oct. 5, at Panthers at noon on Fox
Week 6 — Sunday, Oct. 12, at Falcons at noon on Fox
Week 7 — Sunday, Oct. 19, vs. Miami Dolphins at noon on CBS
Week 8 — Sunday, Oct. 26, at New England Patriots at noon on Fox
Week 9 — BYE
Week 10 — Sunday, Nov. 9, at Green Bay Packers at 7:30 p.m. on NBC
Week 11 — Sunday, Nov. 16, vs. Minnesota Vikings at noon on Fox
Week 12 — Sunday, Nov. 23, vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers at noon on Fox
Week 13 –Thursday, Nov. 27 (Thanksgiving), at Detroit Lions at 11:30 a.m. on CBS
Week 14 — Thursday, Dec. 4, vs. Dallas Cowboys at 7:25 on the NFL Network
Week 15 — Monday, Dec. 15, vs. New Orleans Saints at 7:30 on ESPN
Week 16 — Sunday, Dec. 21, vs. Detroit Lions at noon on Fox
Week 17 — Sunday, Dec. 28, at Minnesota Vikings at noon on Fox
Week 1 — Sunday, Sept. 7, vs. Buffalo Bills at noon on Fox
Week 2 — Sunday, Sept. 14, at San Francisco 49ers at 7:30 p.m. on NBC
Week 3 — Monday, Sept. 22, at New York Jets at 7:30 on ESPN
Week 4 — Sunday, Sept. 28, vs. Green Bay Packers at noon on Fox
Week 5 — Sunday, Oct. 5, at Panthers at noon on Fox
Week 6 — Sunday, Oct. 12, at Falcons at noon on Fox
Week 7 — Sunday, Oct. 19, vs. Miami Dolphins at noon on CBS
Week 8 — Sunday, Oct. 26, at New England Patriots at noon on Fox
Week 9 — BYE
Week 10 — Sunday, Nov. 9, at Green Bay Packers at 7:30 p.m. on NBC
Week 11 — Sunday, Nov. 16, vs. Minnesota Vikings at noon on Fox
Week 12 — Sunday, Nov. 23, vs. Tampa Bay Buccaneers at noon on Fox
Week 13 –Thursday, Nov. 27 (Thanksgiving), at Detroit Lions at 11:30 a.m. on CBS
Week 14 — Thursday, Dec. 4, vs. Dallas Cowboys at 7:25 on the NFL Network
Week 15 — Monday, Dec. 15, vs. New Orleans Saints at 7:30 on ESPN
Week 16 — Sunday, Dec. 21, vs. Detroit Lions at noon on Fox
Week 17 — Sunday, Dec. 28, at Minnesota Vikings at noon on Fox
