Latimer/2nd for me16 team 1/2 PPR league
Contender gives Cody Latimer, late 2nd
Rebuild gives Torrey Smith
News to me also...Does he?Harvin does have major concussion issues though too.
As bad as he has looked...still Cutler6 point passing TD Start 1 QB
Gave Cutler
Received Foles
Good deal for both. Torrey has picked it up a bit of late.16 team 1/2 PPR league
Contender gives Cody Latimer, late 2nd
Rebuild gives Torrey Smith
Good get14 team PPR devy league.
Gave:
Vincent Jackson
Devin Funchess
Got:
Kelvin Benjamin
I would make that deal if I was spiralling down with Cobb on my team.16 team .5PPR with IDP.
Team A that is 4-16 but does not own first gives up Randall Cobb, Kendall Wright, Jared Allen and 4.1
Team B is a contender and gives DeAndre Hopkins, Ziggy Ansah and Later 1st(9-11 range but could be worse as anything can happen in playoffs)
That's a terrible trade.16 team .5PPR with IDP.
Team A that is 4-16 but does not own first gives up Randall Cobb, Kendall Wright, Jared Allen and 4.1
Team B is a contender and gives DeAndre Hopkins, Ziggy Ansah and Later 1st(9-11 range but could be worse as anything can happen in playoffs)
Devil's advocate, He's an injury away from being a WR2 in the most prolific offense of all timemaxhyde said:As bad as he has looked...still CutlerMilkman said:6 point passing TD Start 1 QB
Gave Cutler
Received Foles
Good deal for both. Torrey has picked it up a bit of late.Latimer might be a nice player but he isn't going to help anyone this yearCrippler said:16 team 1/2 PPR league
Contender gives Cody Latimer, late 2nd
Rebuild gives Torrey Smith
Really? I don't see any real reason to value Hopkins over either of those guys, nevermind both. I think this is an owner panicking and wanting to get a 1st (and even the 1st seems like it will be late).I would make that deal if I was spiralling down with Cobb on my team.I like Hopkins and Ansah looks pretty legit16 team .5PPR with IDP.
Team A that is 4-16 but does not own first gives up Randall Cobb, Kendall Wright, Jared Allen and 4.1
Team B is a contender and gives DeAndre Hopkins, Ziggy Ansah and Later 1st(9-11 range but could be worse as anything can happen in playoffs)
Thank you. I'm still a Funchess believer but I think his upside is pretty much a more athletic Benjamin so I'll pay VJax to be sure of what I'm getting.Good get14 team PPR devy league.
Gave:
Vincent Jackson
Devin Funchess
Got:
Kelvin Benjamin
Benjamin14 team PPR devy league.
Gave:
Vincent Jackson
Devin Funchess
Got:
Kelvin Benjamin
Not sure I would value Hopkins over Cobb either but Wright is a late 1st kind of player to me and Ansah is much better than Allen and 4.1 for whatever IDP is worth.Really? I don't see any real reason to value Hopkins over either of those guys, nevermind both. I think this is an owner panicking and wanting to get a 1st (and even the 1st seems like it will be late).I would make that deal if I was spiralling down with Cobb on my team.I like Hopkins and Ansah looks pretty legit16 team .5PPR with IDP.
Team A that is 4-16 but does not own first gives up Randall Cobb, Kendall Wright, Jared Allen and 4.1
Team B is a contender and gives DeAndre Hopkins, Ziggy Ansah and Later 1st(9-11 range but could be worse as anything can happen in playoffs)
Honestly in a 12 team start-1 QB league I love getting a 1st for Ryan. Great use of available resources in a rebuild.12 team PPR Start 10: 1 QB/2-3RB/3-5WR/1-3TE/1DST
A Gives: M. Ryan + A. Blue
B Gives: 2015 1st + Storm Johnson
context:
A is rebuilding, has Foles and Carr leftover at QB, now has two 2015 1sts (early, late) & two 2015 2nds (both early).
B is a contender with Kaep and Orton at QB, Arian Foster owner, & now has the following 2015 picks: 2nd (late), 2015 4th (early), 2015 4th (late)
You could be right, I've never been a Hopkins guy so I could be biased.Not sure I would value Hopkins over Cobb either but Wright is a late 1st kind of player to me and Ansah is much better than Allen and 4.1 for whatever IDP is worth.Devil's advocate: If Cobb chases the money to OAK or another passing wasteland Hopkins will look like a steal...at least until the season startsReally? I don't see any real reason to value Hopkins over either of those guys, nevermind both. I think this is an owner panicking and wanting to get a 1st (and even the 1st seems like it will be late).I would make that deal if I was spiralling down with Cobb on my team.I like Hopkins and Ansah looks pretty legit16 team .5PPR with IDP.
Team A that is 4-16 but does not own first gives up Randall Cobb, Kendall Wright, Jared Allen and 4.1
Team B is a contender and gives DeAndre Hopkins, Ziggy Ansah and Later 1st(9-11 range but could be worse as anything can happen in playoffs)
Been trying to move him for a RB but no reasonable takers.Any Michael Floyd trades recently?
MurrayThese two just went down in same league
Two contenders: Both leading their respective divisions.
DeMarco Murray, Terrance Williams, 2015 4
For
Lynch, Michael, 2015 3
Number 2
ADP, Wayne
For
RG3, Damien Williams, 2015 1 (7-10)
The CP side.I actually misread a trade that I posted earlier... I originally posted:
Alshon Jeffery for 2 (estimated) Top 6 2015 1sts
it was actually
Alshon for 2 (estimated) top 6 2015 1sts + Cordarelle Patterson
12 team PPR
Edited again, i really pooched hkw this trade worked out, as this league has odd draft pick seeding rulesThe CP side.I actually misread a trade that I posted earlier... I originally posted:
Alshon Jeffery for 2 (estimated) Top 6 2015 1sts
it was actually
Alshon for 2 (estimated) top 6 2015 1sts + Cordarelle Patterson
12 team PPR
Same league12 team PPR Start 10: 1 QB/2-3RB/3-5WR/1-3TE/1DST
A Gives: M. Ryan + A. Blue
B Gives: 2015 1st + Storm Johnson
context:
A is rebuilding, has Foles and Carr leftover at QB, now has two 2015 1sts (early, late) & two 2015 2nds (both early).
B is a contender with Kaep and Orton at QB, Arian Foster owner, & now has the following 2015 picks: 2nd (late), 2015 4th (early), 2015 4th (late)
Carr.Same league12 team PPR Start 10: 1 QB/2-3RB/3-5WR/1-3TE/1DST
A Gives: M. Ryan + A. Blue
B Gives: 2015 1st + Storm Johnson
context:
A is rebuilding, has Foles and Carr leftover at QB, now has two 2015 1sts (early, late) & two 2015 2nds (both early).
B is a contender with Kaep and Orton at QB, Arian Foster owner, & now has the following 2015 picks: 2nd (late), 2015 4th (early), 2015 4th (late)
A: gives Derek Carr
C: gives: 2015 3rd.
YOu got to do alot better than that if you are throwing the season and setting someone else up for the playoffs. Where is the young stuff or even picks. Why take on a QB that is less than Brady a year from now by quite a bit and a WR who wont be the #1 guy in NY anymore and a crap D player. Matthews coming on. This trade is terrible. Get a Carr, Cody Latimer and 1st instead.16 team IDP league
A gives: Tom Brady, Clay Matthews
B gives: Carson Palmer, Victor Cruz, Datone Jones
wasn't my trade.YOu got to do alot better than that if you are throwing the season and setting someone else up for the playoffs. Where is the young stuff or even picks. Why take on a QB that is less than Brady a year from now by quite a bit and a WR who wont be the #1 guy in NY anymore and a crap D player. Matthews coming on. This trade is terrible. Get a Carr, Cody Latimer and 1st instead.16 team IDP league
A gives: Tom Brady, Clay Matthews
B gives: Carson Palmer, Victor Cruz, Datone Jones
AgreedHonestly in a 12 team start-1 QB league I love getting a 1st for Ryan. Great use of available resources in a rebuild.12 team PPR Start 10: 1 QB/2-3RB/3-5WR/1-3TE/1DST
A Gives: M. Ryan + A. Blue
B Gives: 2015 1st + Storm Johnson
context:
A is rebuilding, has Foles and Carr leftover at QB, now has two 2015 1sts (early, late) & two 2015 2nds (both early).
B is a contender with Kaep and Orton at QB, Arian Foster owner, & now has the following 2015 picks: 2nd (late), 2015 4th (early), 2015 4th (late)
That's a nice vulture job. C sees A getting Ryan to go with Kaep and low on picks, swoops in and snags Carr for what, less than what he was drafted at probably? Carr's value can only go up, and if they get him a real WR or a system that's got some rhyme to the reason of chucking it up 40 times a game look out.Same league12 team PPR Start 10: 1 QB/2-3RB/3-5WR/1-3TE/1DST
A Gives: M. Ryan + A. Blue
B Gives: 2015 1st + Storm Johnson
context:
A is rebuilding, has Foles and Carr leftover at QB, now has two 2015 1sts (early, late) & two 2015 2nds (both early).
B is a contender with Kaep and Orton at QB, Arian Foster owner, & now has the following 2015 picks: 2nd (late), 2015 4th (early), 2015 4th (late)
A: gives Derek Carr
C: gives: 2015 3rd.
I think it's cheap, but Carr was a mid-late 3rd rookie pick.That's a nice vulture job. C sees A getting Ryan to go with Kaep and low on picks, swoops in and snags Carr for what, less than what he was drafted at probably? Carr's value can only go up, and if they get him a real WR or a system that's got some rhyme to the reason of chucking it up 40 times a game look out.Same league
A: gives Derek Carr
C: gives: 2015 3rd.
he went undrafted in this league, which further shows how much QB is valued in this particular league.I think it's cheap, but Carr was a mid-late 3rd rookie pick.That's a nice vulture job. C sees A getting Ryan to go with Kaep and low on picks, swoops in and snags Carr for what, less than what he was drafted at probably? Carr's value can only go up, and if they get him a real WR or a system that's got some rhyme to the reason of chucking it up 40 times a game look out.Same league
A: gives Derek Carr
C: gives: 2015 3rd.
I think its entirely possible that his value stays abysmal until he becomes irrelevant.Carr's value can only go up.
I was offered Floyd for LMiller but declined.Any Michael Floyd trades recently?
Don't mind it for you at all. Loved the Ryan deal and don't think Carr is a guy you want to pin your future QB1 hopes on. You don't need a good QB when you're rebuilding, if anything it artificially inflates your weekly scoring which is a detriment. I'm not saying to tank, but I'm saying that you can easily fill your QB hole with a better win-now option than Carr when the rest of your roster is ripe for competing so this puts you in a better place to improve for the future.FFDude23 said:he went undrafted in this league, which further shows how much QB is valued in this particular league.I am team A in both these deals. I actually didn't mean to deal both QBs. I had both deals sent out hoping to deal one of the QBs. After the Matt Ryan deal was accepted, I forgot to pull the Derek Carr deal and it was accepted as well. So now I have to ride the rest of the season out with Vick/Stanton/or McCown/Glennon from the ww and hope Foles gets his job back in 2015. I do like Carr, but I think I'll be ok in the long run with one of the 2015 rookie QBs that I like better.cstu said:I think it's cheap, but Carr was a mid-late 3rd rookie pick.Hankmoody said:That's a nice vulture job. C sees A getting Ryan to go with Kaep and low on picks, swoops in and snags Carr for what, less than what he was drafted at probably? Carr's value can only go up, and if they get him a real WR or a system that's got some rhyme to the reason of chucking it up 40 times a game look out.FFDude23 said:Same league
A: gives Derek Carr
C: gives: 2015 3rd.
I missed that you gave up both QB's, I read it as you added Ryan so dumped Carr. It's still a nice snipe by the other guy, if not a bit dirty to accept it like he did. How long had it been sitting? You'll easily be able to recover QB value with the picks you have available. Come draft day you'll get a low end QB1 with an early 3rd, especially if your league devalues QB's like that.FFDude23 said:he went undrafted in this league, which further shows how much QB is valued in this particular league.cstu said:I think it's cheap, but Carr was a mid-late 3rd rookie pick.Hankmoody said:That's a nice vulture job. C sees A getting Ryan to go with Kaep and low on picks, swoops in and snags Carr for what, less than what he was drafted at probably? Carr's value can only go up, and if they get him a real WR or a system that's got some rhyme to the reason of chucking it up 40 times a game look out.FFDude23 said:Same league
A: gives Derek Carr
C: gives: 2015 3rd.
I am team A in both these deals. I actually didn't mean to deal both QBs. I had both deals sent out hoping to deal one of the QBs. After the Matt Ryan deal was accepted, I forgot to pull the Derek Carr deal and it was accepted as well. So now I have to ride the rest of the season out with Vick/Stanton/or McCown/Glennon from the ww and hope Foles gets his job back in 2015. I do like Carr, but I think I'll be ok in the long run with one of the 2015 rookie QBs that I like better.
B, in my opinion. By a whole lot.12 team - PPR - Start 1q/2r/3w/1t
Team A receives: Julio Jones
Team B receives: Brandon Cooks, 2015 1st rd pick (Projected to be 1.07 or 1.08, 10% chance it's a lottery pick (1.01 through 1.06)), 2015 1st round pick (Projected to be a lottery pick)
Team A needs a WR1 and he has a solid contender for the year.
Team B is projected to miss the playoffs so he will have a lottery pick next year. Has a solid core of young WRs on his team (Evans, Odell, Latimer, Mike Floyd, Gordon) Could use RB help (only has Lacy and Lamar Miller, rest scrubs)
Who wins?
Slightly off topic, how do you do your lottery picks?12 team - PPR - Start 1q/2r/3w/1t
Team A receives: Julio Jones
Team B receives: Brandon Cooks, 2015 1st rd pick (Projected to be 1.07 or 1.08, 10% chance it's a lottery pick (1.01 through 1.06)), 2015 1st round pick (Projected to be a lottery pick)
Team A needs a WR1 and he has a solid contender for the year.
Team B is projected to miss the playoffs so he will have a lottery pick next year. Has a solid core of young WRs on his team (Evans, Odell, Latimer, Mike Floyd, Gordon) Could use RB help (only has Lacy and Lamar Miller, rest scrubs)
Who wins?
Unless the qb in question is a potential core player, your logic is sound. Carr likely isn't a core guy. But I wouldn't avoid qb if a guy you like long term comes available at a reasonable price.Don't mind it for you at all. Loved the Ryan deal and don't think Carr is a guy you want to pin your future QB1 hopes on. You don't need a good QB when you're rebuilding, if anything it artificially inflates your weekly scoring which is a detriment. I'm not saying to tank, but I'm saying that you can easily fill your QB hole with a better win-now option than Carr when the rest of your roster is ripe for competing so this puts you in a better place to improve for the future.FFDude23 said:he went undrafted in this league, which further shows how much QB is valued in this particular league.I am team A in both these deals. I actually didn't mean to deal both QBs. I had both deals sent out hoping to deal one of the QBs. After the Matt Ryan deal was accepted, I forgot to pull the Derek Carr deal and it was accepted as well. So now I have to ride the rest of the season out with Vick/Stanton/or McCown/Glennon from the ww and hope Foles gets his job back in 2015. I do like Carr, but I think I'll be ok in the long run with one of the 2015 rookie QBs that I like better.cstu said:I think it's cheap, but Carr was a mid-late 3rd rookie pick.Hankmoody said:That's a nice vulture job. C sees A getting Ryan to go with Kaep and low on picks, swoops in and snags Carr for what, less than what he was drafted at probably? Carr's value can only go up, and if they get him a real WR or a system that's got some rhyme to the reason of chucking it up 40 times a game look out.FFDude23 said:Same league
A: gives Derek Carr
C: gives: 2015 3rd.
I will take JulioB, in my opinion. By a whole lot.12 team - PPR - Start 1q/2r/3w/1t
Team A receives: Julio Jones
Team B receives: Brandon Cooks, 2015 1st rd pick (Projected to be 1.07 or 1.08, 10% chance it's a lottery pick (1.01 through 1.06)), 2015 1st round pick (Projected to be a lottery pick)
Team A needs a WR1 and he has a solid contender for the year.
Team B is projected to miss the playoffs so he will have a lottery pick next year. Has a solid core of young WRs on his team (Evans, Odell, Latimer, Mike Floyd, Gordon) Could use RB help (only has Lacy and Lamar Miller, rest scrubs)
Who wins?
Potentially two lottery 1st rounders next year is about the most I'd give up for Julio. Cooks makes it a no brainer for me.I will take JulioB, in my opinion. By a whole lot.12 team - PPR - Start 1q/2r/3w/1t
Team A receives: Julio Jones
Team B receives: Brandon Cooks, 2015 1st rd pick (Projected to be 1.07 or 1.08, 10% chance it's a lottery pick (1.01 through 1.06)), 2015 1st round pick (Projected to be a lottery pick)
Team A needs a WR1 and he has a solid contender for the year.
Team B is projected to miss the playoffs so he will have a lottery pick next year. Has a solid core of young WRs on his team (Evans, Odell, Latimer, Mike Floyd, Gordon) Could use RB help (only has Lacy and Lamar Miller, rest scrubs)
Who wins?
I can see both sides. I just prefer proven studs in most deals like thisPotentially two lottery 1st rounders next year is about the most I'd give up for Julio. Cooks makes it a no brainer for me.I will take JulioB, in my opinion. By a whole lot.12 team - PPR - Start 1q/2r/3w/1t
Team A receives: Julio Jones
Team B receives: Brandon Cooks, 2015 1st rd pick (Projected to be 1.07 or 1.08, 10% chance it's a lottery pick (1.01 through 1.06)), 2015 1st round pick (Projected to be a lottery pick)
Team A needs a WR1 and he has a solid contender for the year.
Team B is projected to miss the playoffs so he will have a lottery pick next year. Has a solid core of young WRs on his team (Evans, Odell, Latimer, Mike Floyd, Gordon) Could use RB help (only has Lacy and Lamar Miller, rest scrubs)
Who wins?
Yep. I see it this way too.Potentially two lottery 1st rounders next year is about the most I'd give up for Julio. Cooks makes it a no brainer for me.I will take JulioB, in my opinion. By a whole lot.12 team - PPR - Start 1q/2r/3w/1t
Team A receives: Julio Jones
Team B receives: Brandon Cooks, 2015 1st rd pick (Projected to be 1.07 or 1.08, 10% chance it's a lottery pick (1.01 through 1.06)), 2015 1st round pick (Projected to be a lottery pick)
Team A needs a WR1 and he has a solid contender for the year.
Team B is projected to miss the playoffs so he will have a lottery pick next year. Has a solid core of young WRs on his team (Evans, Odell, Latimer, Mike Floyd, Gordon) Could use RB help (only has Lacy and Lamar Miller, rest scrubs)
Who wins?