Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
**Official 2014 In Season Dynasty Trade Thread** (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter r0llin_game
- Start date
Henry Ford
Footballguy
I had a gaping hole at TE, coming into the season with Clay as my #1 and Green sitting and waiting.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
League specs?
In a start 2 RB league--I think you gave up too much. I'd personally have looked to pay much less for guys like Witten, Donnell, Eifert, or even the Reed/Paul combo.
Last edited by a moderator:
Henry Ford
Footballguy
12 team Q/R/R/W/W/TE/F/K/DB/DB/DL/LB/LB
I definitely have been trying to move Stacy for some time - and couldn't get a bite. I agree I may have given up too much, but with Forte/Morris/Ellington/West/Crowell plus my backups, I felt it was the best move I could make.
One More Rep
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Is this a 2 QB league? If so, I'd probably still take the Jeffrey/Cooks side, but if not
.Agree here.
Jennings looks to be used as a workhorse so the fact I don't think he is very good is negated some by his workload. I would have an easier time starting Jennings for the foreseeable future than Hilton
I will take the Newton side but I have Newton and Luck pretty close.
I can see making the move and nothing really jumps out as a clear win on either side but I think the pieces with Newton are just slightly better
Last edited by a moderator:
FUBAR
Footballguy
Ironman2131
Footballguy
Some recent trades in my contract dynasty league (max 4 year deals). Non-PPR. 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, and 1 K.
Doug Martin (2 years) and Ryan Mathews (3)
for
Ben Tate (4)
Andy Dalton (1)
for
2nd round pick
I was involved in this deal, as Dalton was my backup behind Matt Ryan and the team on the other side had only McCown, Cassel, and RG3 on an otherwise great team.
Andrew Luck (2), Brandon LaFell (1), Keshawn Martin (1), and a 3rd round draft pick (likely top 2-3 at worst)
for
Russell Wilson (2), Larry Fitzgerald (4), and Eddie Royal (1)
Not a huge fan of this trade, as the team trading away Luck is pretty bad, but he thought it was a good opportunity to upgrade at WR (both Fitzgerald and Royal are instant starters for him). The team on the other side of the deal can still start D. Thomas, Nelson, and Cooks, although without Fitzgerald he doesn't have much depth.
Doug Martin (2 years) and Ryan Mathews (3)
for
Ben Tate (4)
Andy Dalton (1)
for
2nd round pick
I was involved in this deal, as Dalton was my backup behind Matt Ryan and the team on the other side had only McCown, Cassel, and RG3 on an otherwise great team.
Andrew Luck (2), Brandon LaFell (1), Keshawn Martin (1), and a 3rd round draft pick (likely top 2-3 at worst)
for
Russell Wilson (2), Larry Fitzgerald (4), and Eddie Royal (1)
Not a huge fan of this trade, as the team trading away Luck is pretty bad, but he thought it was a good opportunity to upgrade at WR (both Fitzgerald and Royal are instant starters for him). The team on the other side of the deal can still start D. Thomas, Nelson, and Cooks, although without Fitzgerald he doesn't have much depth.
Andrew74
Footballguy
This doesn't make sense. There's huge ? around them all but that seems overpay for Tate.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Yeah, I definitely gave up the better non-QB pieces. I just see Luck as being a true difference maker, and I think he'll be even more untouchable than he already is after this season.
Maybe true but I still think Cam is the QB that has 3 top 5 finishes his first 3 years in the league. Don't think that was fluke
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Honesty this deal was as much about buying into the guy I think is going to be the consensus #1 dynasty QB at the end of the season, as it was about bailing on Cam.
I love Cam. But I think as he runs less, he'll settle in as more of a Roethlisburger-level QB than the fantasy dynamo we saw his first couple/few years. Great real life QB who will have some big fantasy weeks but otherwise settle in as a replaceable dynasty QB.
I think Luck is the next Peyton and I think it's more sustainable.
Henry Ford
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I think your stance on Luck is certainly reasonable. I think he's as likely as anyone to be the top QB this coming off-season, including ARod.
But I question the stance on Newton. He ran 5.3 times a game last year. How much do you see that dropping, once he is healthy? Luck runs 4 times a game, for reference.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I agree that Luck is a big upgrade over Cam.
We've seen this a few times with running QBs. They put up a monster rushing season in one of their first few years, then get dinged not too long after that, and have their rushing scaled back. I doubt we ever see Cam rush for 700 yards again and I'm sure we won't see him rush for 14 TDs again.
I think Cam can settle in as a solid ~QB5 type player with the amount of rushing he does now (~5/game). But that's a far cry from what people are anticipating Luck could be, IE way-ahead-of-the-field QB1.
We've seen this a few times with running QBs. They put up a monster rushing season in one of their first few years, then get dinged not too long after that, and have their rushing scaled back. I doubt we ever see Cam rush for 700 yards again and I'm sure we won't see him rush for 14 TDs again.
I think Cam can settle in as a solid ~QB5 type player with the amount of rushing he does now (~5/game). But that's a far cry from what people are anticipating Luck could be, IE way-ahead-of-the-field QB1.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
We have? Who? I looked up Culpepper and Vick--and they don't qualify. RG3's only dropped 1.4 attempts/game while playing injured--still 6.6 per game.
Not even the great Peyton Manning has been way ahead of the field for consecutive seasons. Nor have Brees, Brady, or Rodgers. Might as well put the kid in Canton.
Last edited by a moderator:
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I knew when I posted that about Cam I was shining the bat signal for you, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
It's not just about the next couple years. I agree that once he gets healthy he could certainly rush enough to be a strong QB1 as he was last year--and maybe he can do that for a few years--but what is that worth, if he never has a year like his rookie year again (and I don't think he will, rushing-wise)?
He was technically a top-5 QB, but not a real special, difference-making fantasy QB, as he was within 1 PPG of 8 other QB's. That's not a real advantage.
So with 587 rushing yards and 6 rushing TD's, Cam was in a big PPG cluster among guys like Dalton, Rivers, Stafford, Romo, and pre-unleashed Luck.
Basically all the QB's between 20-22 PPG (Cam came in around 21).
I think Luck has a much higher chance every year going forward of putting up Brees/Peyton type numbers, and we're seeing that so far this year.
Just my opinion, Cam certainly has a high ceiling as a passer as well, he can make every throw and extend plays, especially if they surround him with some more talent and he stays healthy.
But he hasn't shown that he can be a true difference making fantasy QB without running for 700-14. That year, his rookie year, he was a 26 PPG QB and a difference maker. Then he dropped to 23 PPG and we all said he'd make up for it the next year with improved passing, etc. Then last year happened and he put up 21 PPG. And he's resilient, but accumulating smaller injuries that slow him down.
Luck just seems like he's destined to be the heir to that Brees/Peyton fantasy throne of truly difference-making numbers.
One More Rep
Footballguy
12 team .5 ppr rb/1ppr wr/1.25 ppr te
qb/rb/rb/wr/wr/te/3 flex rb/wr/te -11 starters
Team A gives Toby Gerhart/2015 3rd (looks like it will be 3.8-3.12 range)
Team B gives Martellus Bennett
qb/rb/rb/wr/wr/te/3 flex rb/wr/te -11 starters
Team A gives Toby Gerhart/2015 3rd (looks like it will be 3.8-3.12 range)
Team B gives Martellus Bennett
Last edited by a moderator:
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'm not arguing against the trade or your stance on Luck. I just think your take on Newton is a bit cynical. Big Ben with Newtons lowest rushing numbers = QB3, less than a point behind Brees, and 4 ahead of Luck, FWIW.
Last edited by a moderator:
Concept Coop
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
That's fair. And to be fair to Newton, I've seem him make jaw-dropping throws dating all the way back to his rookie year even. But as a whole package, he has yet to prove he has the passing chops to be consistently elite without historic rushing numbers.
I'm just saying that while the common refrain that he's been a top-5 fantasy QB every year he's been in the league is technically true, he was only a real difference maker among his peers (even in 4 pt passing TD leagues) his rookie year. I just don't think a player at a position you can only start 1 of gives an advantage when he's in a cluster with 5-6 other players in the second tier behind the true difference maker(s). That means around half the owners in a 12-team league are starting QB's at least as productive as Newton every season. No real advantage. It's all about positional advantage for me and he hasn't given me any in awhile despite some huge weeks.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Fair. I'll lastly point out that Carolina was bottom 5 in passing attempts both of his "down" seasons. It'll be interesting to see--either way.
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
12 team PPR 1QB 1RB 1WR 1TE 3FLEX
Team A trades:
Le'Veon Bell
Kenny Stills
Team B trades:
Demaryius Thomas
Team A trades:
Le'Veon Bell
Kenny Stills
Team B trades:
Demaryius Thomas
One More Rep
Footballguy
Never would have seen this deal before this season. I take Bell side very close
Concept Coop
Footballguy
paytonsdaman
Footballguy
Asiata, Matt MIN RB
Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick from non playoff team
For
Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from playoff team
Year 2015 Round 3 Draft Pick from non playoff team
For
Year 2015 Round 2 Draft Pick from playoff team
2 x Super Flex League (So up to three QBs startable), PPR, IDP with return points, large rosters, very deep (40 player squads), so rarely waiver fodder.
Julio, 2015 4th and CJ Mosley
for
Harvin, Lofton, 2015 1st (Should be top 4), 2015 1st (should be bottom 4)
Team trading away Julio is pretty weak everywhere
Julio, 2015 4th and CJ Mosley
for
Harvin, Lofton, 2015 1st (Should be top 4), 2015 1st (should be bottom 4)
Team trading away Julio is pretty weak everywhere
One More Rep
Footballguy
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
Saturday evening trade:
Gave up Arian Foster for Pierre Garcon + middle of 2nd round 2015 pick
Gave up Arian Foster for Pierre Garcon + middle of 2nd round 2015 pick
Not sure any of those players are solid starts in a 10 team league but Hilton/Brown probably for me
FFDude23
Footballguy
TY Hilton, not even with 2 flex positions? I'm the one acquiring TY, he will actually be my WR 4 or 5 in this league. his targets are there the first 3 weeks: 11,11, 6 (injury)
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Contender gives:
Jordan Cameron
Stedman bailey
2016 2nd
Likely rebuild gives:
Demarco Murray
2016 3rd
Jordan Cameron
Stedman bailey
2016 2nd
Likely rebuild gives:
Demarco Murray
2016 3rd
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Start 2 Qb league
Gave Bridgewater
Got rg3
I don't need any production this year with Peyton and Rodgers with Ben backing up so this is a long term move.
Gave Bridgewater
Got rg3
I don't need any production this year with Peyton and Rodgers with Ben backing up so this is a long term move.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'd likely move Julio for this, depending on how many WRs are started each week.
The early pick will likely net a QB or Gurley. The late pick should provide solid value too, with the QBs being pushed to the top. If the top pick ends up being Mariota, Winston (or other top QB), or Gurley--it's a homerun.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I think it's close and depends on the specs. Not a bad price for 1.5 seasons of top 5 RB production, if it could potnetially put you over the top. Solid move for the safer asset, if you can afford to move the RB.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Agree it's overpay -- but if you want a top-10 dynasty player you should have to overpay.
The difference between Dez and Cobb/Nelson is that Dez is close to bulletproof while the other two guys have significant value tied up in their situation. Cobb on the Browns is Cecil Shorts. Dez on the Browns is ~Josh Gordon.
Last edited by a moderator:
Similar threads
