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***Official 2014 World Cup Thread*** (1 Viewer)

Aaron Rudnicki said:
how likely is it that they take away the WC from Qatar? is the US the best option if that happens or is there anyone else that would be in serious consideration?
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US and Australia - not sure where Australia is with stadiums - the longer the process drags out, the more likely the US is the only viable candidate who can pull off the WC on relatively short notice.

 
Norman Paperman said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
how likely is it that they take away the WC from Qatar? is the US the best option if that happens or is there anyone else that would be in serious consideration?
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US and Australia - not sure where Australia is with stadiums - the longer the process drags out, the more likely the US is the only viable candidate who can pull off the WC on relatively short notice.
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There were three new stadiums and some upgrades in Australia's 2022 bid

 
CletiusMaximus said:
NewlyRetired said:
Jaysus said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
how likely is it that they take away the WC from Qatar? is the US the best option if that happens or is there anyone else that would be in serious consideration?
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England?
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It won't be England, as UEFA has it in 2018.

It will likely go to either US or Australia, IMO.

As for the likelihood it will get removed, I would say it is 50-50. An unbelievable amount of politicking, corruption, and legal issues will be encountered before Garcia releases the report.
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I don't follow the politics, but 50-50 strikes me as ambitious. The one thing I've learned about FIFA is to always expect disappointment. I think its a virtual lock to stay in Qatar.
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I think it's FAR from a lock, especially with it not going away leading up to this WC. The sponsor stuff is huge and with more and more credible people calling it into question it won't be going away soon.

 
The best thing that the USA would have going for it for 2022 is that China wants 2026.

This is no small thing for sure.

The opposite situation doesn't necessarily ensure USA for 2026 if Australia gets it.

Both USA scenarios could include Mexico if that's seen as a sort of a compromise.

-QG

 
The sponsors and television networks - particuarly the former - and the fine print of the contracts that they have already signed for 2022 are really the only thing that can get Qatar stripped IMO. The more iron-clad those contracts are, however, the less likely that even that matters.

I'm probably in the minority in that I think the move is still less likely than it staying put.

-QG

 
CletiusMaximus said:
NewlyRetired said:
Jaysus said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
how likely is it that they take away the WC from Qatar? is the US the best option if that happens or is there anyone else that would be in serious consideration?
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England?
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It won't be England, as UEFA has it in 2018.

It will likely go to either US or Australia, IMO.

As for the likelihood it will get removed, I would say it is 50-50. An unbelievable amount of politicking, corruption, and legal issues will be encountered before Garcia releases the report.
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I don't follow the politics, but 50-50 strikes me as ambitious. The one thing I've learned about FIFA is to always expect disappointment. I think its a virtual lock to stay in Qatar.
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I thought it was a lock up until the last week at which point I moved to a more 50-50 stance.

It all depends on how serious Bud, Visa, BP and the other giants are about the issue are. The fact that they are all making public statements makes me wonder if this is all a build up.

Of course nothing will happen if Garcia comes back with "could not find any tangible evidence" but even that possibility appears minimized now that the London Times appears to have access to the actual documents.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
NewlyRetired said:
Jaysus said:
Aaron Rudnicki said:
how likely is it that they take away the WC from Qatar? is the US the best option if that happens or is there anyone else that would be in serious consideration?
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England?
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It won't be England, as UEFA has it in 2018.

It will likely go to either US or Australia, IMO.

As for the likelihood it will get removed, I would say it is 50-50. An unbelievable amount of politicking, corruption, and legal issues will be encountered before Garcia releases the report.
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I don't follow the politics, but 50-50 strikes me as ambitious. The one thing I've learned about FIFA is to always expect disappointment. I think its a virtual lock to stay in Qatar.
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Normally I would agree - but I think a Qatar WC is a nightmare for UEFA - the cultural divide is much greater than I think many imagined, or currently imagine. Its going to be tough for most European, and even US or South American - based fans to attend and enjoy the same revelry to which they are accustomed. Then you have the issue of the weather, which nobody truly considered - again it gets back to UEFA not wanting to switch many of its league's calendars around to host a WC in November or December, and there is no way they could host the tournament in July.

Its still a coin-flip, but there are lots of pressures building to make it happen. Perhaps though, the thing that ultimately forces FIFA's hand is UEFA withdrawing - and persuading CONMEBOL, US and Mexico to create a new Football Federation. FIFA would collapse if that happened. And honestly, if I understand the rules correctly, there should be a new system set up where it is not simply 1 nation, 1 vote. Europe and South America probably do deserve a bigger seat at the table - US vote should count more than T&T, just based on the economic contribute the US brings to the table - someone has to look out for the minnows, but there is no way the minnows should be able to run the pond.

 
Norman Paperman said:
Normally I would agree - but I think a Qatar WC is a nightmare for UEFA - the cultural divide is much greater than I think many imagined, or currently imagine. Its going to be tough for most European, and even US or South American - based fans to attend and enjoy the same revelry to which they are accustomed. Then you have the issue of the weather, which nobody truly considered -
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FIFA themselves issued a formal report about the weather in Qatar saying it was not acceptable.

Sunil's whole stance in saying the US will never bid again until something is changed where the executive committee can not just blatantly ignore the official reports that their own organization performed.

Qatar should have been removed from the bidding before it started OR everyone voting should have acknowledged before hand that it would have to be moved to winter.

Instead we got the lunacy of the "air conditioned" open air stadiums.

 
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The real thing that concerns me is the Blatter/Platini feud. I do not understand how Qatar fits into that battle yet since both sides seem to be saying different things on different days.

I can't even imagine the amount of money and hookers that are going to be exchanged between now and the day Garcia gives the report.

 
QuizGuy66 said:
The sponsors and television networks - particuarly the former - and the fine print of the contracts that they have already signed for 2022 are really the only thing that can get Qatar stripped IMO. The more iron-clad those contracts are, however, the less likely that even that matters.

I'm probably in the minority in that I think the move is still less likely than it staying put.

-QG
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I think it's probably staying put too if for no other reason that Blatter needs non-UEFA support to stay in power. That means those Platini paid off (Platini is the one that helped rigged the Qatari vote) are now backing Blatter (who today promised the Oceana orgs another $550,000 this year since FIFA made so much from the 2014 WC already). It's all one big hot ugly mess of corruption.

 
I'd make an even money bet it gets moved and be really happy about it. There's eight years for even more stuff to go wrong and pressure to build.

And I think Blatter's using it to pummel Platini already.

His comments to the African and Asian delegations were just a bunch of ###-covering IMO -- getting his fingerprints off of recent "move it" developments, and making it harder for Platini to play the race card later.

Pure speculation on my part obv.

 
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Sammy3469 said:
QuizGuy66 said:
The sponsors and television networks - particuarly the former - and the fine print of the contracts that they have already signed for 2022 are really the only thing that can get Qatar stripped IMO. The more iron-clad those contracts are, however, the less likely that even that matters.

I'm probably in the minority in that I think the move is still less likely than it staying put.

-QG
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I think it's probably staying put too if for no other reason that Blatter needs non-UEFA support to stay in power. That means those Platini paid off (Platini is the one that helped rigged the Qatari vote) are now backing Blatter (who today promised the Oceana orgs another $550,000 this year since FIFA made so much from the 2014 WC already). It's all one big hot ugly mess of corruption.
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So, who needs who? Does UEFA need FIFA, or does FIFA need UEFA?

Honestly, I am not sure the answer. It could make more sense, if they gave each federation a single vote - UEFA, CONMEBOL, AFA, CAF, and CONCACAF - put Oceania in with Asia

 
Here's the main thing that has me thinking it won't move.

Blatter says the matter will "settled" once and for all on Qatar later this year (October or November as I recall).

The next FIFA election is 2015.

Blatter can't depend on UEFA support any more - he has to go to the third world countries - Asia and Africa are where the votes are at for him.

There is no way he presides over a move ahead of that May 2015 election. No way.

And yeah, the role reversal with Platini is intriguing. Sepp is evil and slippery, but man does he know how to game the system and outflank his opponents.

-QG

 
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QuizGuy66 said:
Here's the main thing that has me thinking it won't move.

Blatter says the matter will "settled" once and for all on Qatar later this year (October or November as I recall).

The next FIFA election is 2015.

Blatter can't depend on UEFA support any more - he has to go to the third world countries - Asia and Africa are where the votes are at for him.

There is no way he presides over a move ahead of that May 2015 election. No way.

And yeah, the role reversal with Platini is intriguing. Sepp is evil and slippery, but man does he know how to game the system and outflank his opponents.

-QG
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I keep coming back to this in my mind and the more I think about it, the less it seems like anyone has any rationale for moving it unless they want to be seen as a "reformer". I guess one of Platini or Blatter will take up that mantle, but you're guess is as good as mine at this point on which one it will be and if they actually have the juice to get it done.

BTW, it's interesting that it's just the FA and the Dutch (2 countries with no real pull with FIFA) that grilled Blatter. Just throwing it out there that the "outrage" may not be as widespread in UEFA as the articles today make it seem.

 
Sammy3469 said:
QuizGuy66 said:
Here's the main thing that has me thinking it won't move.

Blatter says the matter will "settled" once and for all on Qatar later this year (October or November as I recall).

The next FIFA election is 2015.

Blatter can't depend on UEFA support any more - he has to go to the third world countries - Asia and Africa are where the votes are at for him.

There is no way he presides over a move ahead of that May 2015 election. No way.

And yeah, the role reversal with Platini is intriguing. Sepp is evil and slippery, but man does he know how to game the system and outflank his opponents.

-QG
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I keep coming back to this in my mind and the more I think about it, the less it seems like anyone has any rationale for moving it unless they want to be seen as a "reformer". I guess one of Platini or Blatter will take up that mantle, but you're guess is as good as mine at this point on which one it will be and if they actually have the juice to get it done.

BTW, it's interesting that it's just the FA and the Dutch (2 countries with no real pull with FIFA) that grilled Blatter. Just throwing it out there that the "outrage" may not be as widespread in UEFA as the articles today make it seem.
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The UK has been driving the bus the whole time in terms of holding Qatar accountable :drive: - it's the main reason I really don't think they'll move it. If we start seeing other countries normally on the sidelines of this really get in there then something is up.

-QG

 
The level of blatant corruption, mismanagement, and stupidity within FIFA is staggering. And of course Blatter plays the race card again in an attempt to shore up support for himself.

 
Ronaldo is playing, but he is not really playing. Had a nice shot on goal though.

ETA - he is moving al over the field - so he will be looking for a mismatch somewhere.

Just played a through ball that led to an own-goal...

 
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So I'm doing a 4-team serpentine style draft of the World Cup where you get 3 pts for a win and 1 for a tie, and somehow I've ended up with all of CONMEBOL :lmao:

1.2 Argentina

2.3 Columbia

3.2 Chile

4.3 Ecuador

 
Premier said:
So I'm doing a 4-team serpentine style draft of the World Cup where you get 3 pts for a win and 1 for a tie, and somehow I've ended up with all of CONMEBOL :lmao:

1.2 Argentina

2.3 Columbia

3.2 Chile

4.3 Ecuador
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You could do a lot worse than that.

 
Last games for the group G teams;

USA W 2-1 - Won 3 in a row

Portugal W 6-1 - only one loss (to Brazil) in last 12. 6-0-1 in last 7

Germany W 6-1 - unbeaten in last 11

Ghana W 4-0 - Lost 4 of 5 prior to the SK win

 
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I got Germany and Nigeria :mellow:

Man it was funny watching people open their picks only to see Iran or Australia or some other #### team. The guy that got England/USA is all happy. He knows nothing about soccer.

So I guess a small part of me will be rooting for the krauts

 
Rooting Against By Highest Percentage

Japan against S Korea - 40%

S Korea against Japan - 38%

Costa Rica against Mexico - 37%

Brazil against Argentina - 34%

Highest Rooting Against USA:

Russia - 19%

Mexico - 16%

 
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