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***Official 2014 World Cup Thread*** (3 Viewers)

Yeah, I was wrong to say what I did. Sorry all. I let the true trolls get the better of me there.

Trolls aside... it's very frustrating to see the US freakin' outplay Portugal in a game that couldn't matter more and all the newbies are doing is #####ing about minor stuff. We went down 1-0 to a pretty good team and roared back to take control of the game. After the first ten minutes, we were the better team. That's amazing.

#### like the last minute goal happens -- especially when every one of the guys who's gone 90 minutes can barely run. Our last goal was down to the Portuguese defender who fell being slow to get up and set the offside line higher. But it's hard to do. If Bradley was fresh maybe he holds onto the ball. :shrug:
We didn't freakin' outplay Portugal. Portugal got a lucky goal and then tried to sit on the lead for the most part. If Portugal doesn't get that earlier break the game plays out entirely different (except for the weather). Portugal let us outplay them. Really not that much different than us conveniently taking it to Ghana anytime the score was level.

Furthermore, based on what we saw, neither team was a good team. What we saw yesterday on 2/3s of the field didn't resemble much in the way of good soccer.
Some of what you're saying is true... the early flukegoal changed the innitial gameplan for both teams. But you're way off in not thinking the US played well the reat of the way. Some of their better flowing and attacking soccer. And I have to lol at Portugal "letting" the US play that well.

 
:lmao: at the Trolls.

Takes a special kind of person. It's like ignoring the NFL all year then popping up in a *Official* team thread for the Super Bowl and pissing for 12 hours.
Is it trolling to be interested and discussing the sport/supporting the US or are you just referring to stating strong opinions? Just wondering what I can and can't do since I haven't played since middle school and only watch during the word cup. So I'm definitely guilty of being ignorant in soccer, but I can see how general sports knowledge and strategy can be related and applied to a degree making the casual observers feel like they can take part in the discussion. The prevent defense in football vs. soccer being a good example.

So my question is that if the defenders can't "prevent" an attacker from getting to the goal, I'm assuming they can position themselves to make the attacker have to chose a more difficult lane, no? I mean if the defense is already in place they can't anticipate where the attacker will be heading when the ball is crossed and try to get in a better position? I'm just trying to understand why it seemed our entire defense was chasing the guy instead of being back already and ready to make a play.
Going into the box Cameron was in front of the runner, playing him onside. The problem wasn't that Cameron wasn't deeper, it's that Cameron wasn't tracking the run. Cameron should have picked up the run and stayed between him and the goal. He didn't. He allowed the runner to get a step in behind him and get a free header.
I read Bronx Bomber's question as: "why don't defenders just position themselves further back, like basketball players playing zone defense?" I think the answer to that is that it creates too many opportunities for the offense to get in close for an easy shot. El Floppo watches a lot more soccer than me, though, and seems to disagree, so maybe I'm off base.

 
Yeah, I was wrong to say what I did. Sorry all. I let the true trolls get the better of me there.

Trolls aside... it's very frustrating to see the US freakin' outplay Portugal in a game that couldn't matter more and all the newbies are doing is #####ing about minor stuff. We went down 1-0 to a pretty good team and roared back to take control of the game. After the first ten minutes, we were the better team. That's amazing.

#### like the last minute goal happens -- especially when every one of the guys who's gone 90 minutes can barely run. Our last goal was down to the Portuguese defender who fell being slow to get up and set the offside line higher. But it's hard to do. If Bradley was fresh maybe he holds onto the ball. :shrug:
We didn't freakin' outplay Portugal. Portugal got a lucky goal and then tried to sit on the lead for the most part. If Portugal doesn't get that earlier break the game plays out entirely different (except for the weather). Portugal let us outplay them. Really not that much different than us conveniently taking it to Ghana anytime the score was level.

Furthermore, based on what we saw, neither team was a good team. What we saw yesterday on 2/3s of the field didn't resemble much in the way of good soccer.
How'd the game look after the US tied it?

And if you want to judge teams based on 90 minutes of play you should go put your life savings on Algeria.

Funny that it's the same people who came into the thread yesterday saying the US had no chance and that Portugal was miles better than the US are the ones arguing that it was a crap game, Portugal let us back in, and the US didn't have the better of play overall.

 
Yeah, I was wrong to say what I did. Sorry all. I let the true trolls get the better of me there.

Trolls aside... it's very frustrating to see the US freakin' outplay Portugal in a game that couldn't matter more and all the newbies are doing is #####ing about minor stuff. We went down 1-0 to a pretty good team and roared back to take control of the game. After the first ten minutes, we were the better team. That's amazing.

#### like the last minute goal happens -- especially when every one of the guys who's gone 90 minutes can barely run. Our last goal was down to the Portuguese defender who fell being slow to get up and set the offside line higher. But it's hard to do. If Bradley was fresh maybe he holds onto the ball. :shrug:
We didn't freakin' outplay Portugal. Portugal got a lucky goal and then tried to sit on the lead for the most part. If Portugal doesn't get that earlier break the game plays out entirely different (except for the weather). Portugal let us outplay them. Really not that much different than us conveniently taking it to Ghana anytime the score was level.

Furthermore, based on what we saw, neither team was a good team. What we saw yesterday on 2/3s of the field didn't resemble much in the way of good soccer.
Some of what you're saying is true... the early flukegoal changed the innitial gameplan for both teams. But you're way off in not thinking the US played well the reat of the way. Some of their better flowing and attacking soccer. And I have to lol at Portugal "letting" the US play that well.
I have a hard time believing Portugal was content on sitting on a 1-0 lead that early in the game when their goal diff is so poor. You'd think they'd want to step on the US' throat after getting the early/deflating goal. I just don't buy it.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I've been watching the WC for some time now, at least since 94, and I've gotten into EPL and La Liga, especially over beers at a couple local pubs, been to some minor league soccer here in NO (even gotten to know their coach) and helped with a local soccer association. But there are things that I still don't get. Can someone explain how the extra time is calculated? How is it validated, ie how do we know that 5:00 minutes is the correct and proper time? I think the American sports fan in me wants some kind of certainty or verifiability as to why the teams get the extra time that they do? That just seemed like a lot of ET in that game.
Supposedly the ref is suppose to keep track of it during the game to account for goals, subs and injuries and other time wasting tactics but most fans will tell you it is rarely accurate. Up until fairly recently, the fans were not told how much extra time there would be. You just waited for the whistle. They made a tiny improvement to at least post it now after the 90 minutes is up.

 
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I'm all in on Klinsmann. He has these guys believing and - in my non-expert but also non-total noob opinion - playing better than anyone could have hoped for.

The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. And yet they went toe-to-toe with a highly-ranked Portugal team that has 5 UEFA Champions League players.

The way I look at it, the U.S. should have drawn with Ghana and beaten Portugal. Instead it went the other way around. But they still have 4 points - just hope they can keep it going, because it's been great to watch and soccer is blowing up big-time in the U.S., moreso with each successive game.

 
Yeah, I was wrong to say what I did. Sorry all. I let the true trolls get the better of me there.

Trolls aside... it's very frustrating to see the US freakin' outplay Portugal in a game that couldn't matter more and all the newbies are doing is #####ing about minor stuff. We went down 1-0 to a pretty good team and roared back to take control of the game. After the first ten minutes, we were the better team. That's amazing.

#### like the last minute goal happens -- especially when every one of the guys who's gone 90 minutes can barely run. Our last goal was down to the Portuguese defender who fell being slow to get up and set the offside line higher. But it's hard to do. If Bradley was fresh maybe he holds onto the ball. :shrug:
We didn't freakin' outplay Portugal. Portugal got a lucky goal and then tried to sit on the lead for the most part. If Portugal doesn't get that earlier break the game plays out entirely different (except for the weather). Portugal let us outplay them. Really not that much different than us conveniently taking it to Ghana anytime the score was level.

Furthermore, based on what we saw, neither team was a good team. What we saw yesterday on 2/3s of the field didn't resemble much in the way of good soccer.
Some of what you're saying is true... the early flukegoal changed the innitial gameplan for both teams. But you're way off in not thinking the US played well the reat of the way. Some of their better flowing and attacking soccer. And I have to lol at Portugal "letting" the US play that well.
I have a hard time believing Portugal was content on sitting on a 1-0 lead that early in the game when their goal diff is so poor. You'd think they'd want to step on the US' throat after getting the early/deflating goal. I just don't buy it.
Exactly. Portugal needed multiple goals.

Unlike say Germany who if they go up 1-0 may take their foot off the gas since even if the US level the score they are topping the group, Portugal was in no position to want to draw that game.

Even with the incredible late goal, you could see Portugal knew how bad the draw was for them (which scares the hell out of me that they might already be mentally checking out for the Ghana game).

 
Yeah, I was wrong to say what I did. Sorry all. I let the true trolls get the better of me there.

Trolls aside... it's very frustrating to see the US freakin' outplay Portugal in a game that couldn't matter more and all the newbies are doing is #####ing about minor stuff. We went down 1-0 to a pretty good team and roared back to take control of the game. After the first ten minutes, we were the better team. That's amazing.

#### like the last minute goal happens -- especially when every one of the guys who's gone 90 minutes can barely run. Our last goal was down to the Portuguese defender who fell being slow to get up and set the offside line higher. But it's hard to do. If Bradley was fresh maybe he holds onto the ball. :shrug:
We didn't freakin' outplay Portugal. Portugal got a lucky goal and then tried to sit on the lead for the most part. If Portugal doesn't get that earlier break the game plays out entirely different (except for the weather). Portugal let us outplay them. Really not that much different than us conveniently taking it to Ghana anytime the score was level.

Furthermore, based on what we saw, neither team was a good team. What we saw yesterday on 2/3s of the field didn't resemble much in the way of good soccer.
Some of what you're saying is true... the early flukegoal changed the innitial gameplan for both teams. But you're way off in not thinking the US played well the reat of the way. Some of their better flowing and attacking soccer. And I have to lol at Portugal "letting" the US play that well.
I have a hard time believing Portugal was content on sitting on a 1-0 lead that early in the game when their goal diff is so poor. You'd think they'd want to step on the US' throat after getting the early/deflating goal. I just don't buy it.
I posted it a few minutes after the game was 1-0 that the USA would get chances because Portugal would start to sit back more. Boom, exactly that happened. It's the style a lot of teams play, especially a team dealing with injuries/suspensions. Portugal was down to their third choice striker and a mish-mash back line, they weren't worried about making up goal difference here, they just wanted 3 points.

 
The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. .
they have a few

Geoff Cameroon plays every minute in the EPL.

Fab and Chandler are both full time starters in the Bundesliga

John Brooks is a semi regular starter in Bundesliga

 
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538's updated power rankings including both group games:

Brazil 91.1

Argentina 89.7

Germany 88.7

Netherlands 88.2

Chile 87.8

France 87.8

Colombia 87.5

Spain 85.7

Belgim 81.8

Uruguay 81.5

England 81.4

Ecuador 80.0

Croatia 79.5

Ivory Coast 79.5

Bosnia 79.4

Italy 79.2

Portugal 79.0

USA 78.7

Costa Rica 78.5

Mexico 78.4

Russia 78.3

Switzerland 78.3

Ghana 77.5

Nigeria 76.0

Greece 74.1

Japan 73.4

South Korea 72.6

Iran 71.1

Austrailia 70.3

Cameroon 69.3

Honduras 68.3

Algeria 64.2

Group A was the real group of death... three of the top eight teams (Netherlands, Chile, Spain) is brutal.

No surprise that the US, Portugal and Ghana are fighting tooth and nail for the last spot -- there's almost nothing between them.
I don't know what 538 means or how these rankings were figured, but Algeria a tier below everyone else in the tournament? I'm guessing these rankings are based on past performance rather than how the teams are performing right now?

 
Yeah, I was wrong to say what I did. Sorry all. I let the true trolls get the better of me there.

Trolls aside... it's very frustrating to see the US freakin' outplay Portugal in a game that couldn't matter more and all the newbies are doing is #####ing about minor stuff. We went down 1-0 to a pretty good team and roared back to take control of the game. After the first ten minutes, we were the better team. That's amazing.

#### like the last minute goal happens -- especially when every one of the guys who's gone 90 minutes can barely run. Our last goal was down to the Portuguese defender who fell being slow to get up and set the offside line higher. But it's hard to do. If Bradley was fresh maybe he holds onto the ball. :shrug:
We didn't freakin' outplay Portugal. Portugal got a lucky goal and then tried to sit on the lead for the most part. If Portugal doesn't get that earlier break the game plays out entirely different (except for the weather). Portugal let us outplay them. Really not that much different than us conveniently taking it to Ghana anytime the score was level.

Furthermore, based on what we saw, neither team was a good team. What we saw yesterday on 2/3s of the field didn't resemble much in the way of good soccer.
I thought both teams played fairly well and it was a great game if soccer. It was topped off with the best goal and arguably the best pass of the tournament. Soccer is all about those moments of beauty. It was amazingly fast-paced considering the weather.

I do agree that we didn't outplay Portugal. The game was fairly evenly matched. There were times when both teams say back and invited pressure. The US dominated parts, but so did Portugal. None of the goals were really against the run of play.

Looking at the game without the glaring mistakes is like looking at an NFL game without the turnovers. Cameron's error was worse than giving up a 99-yard pick six. It happened and it counts.

I also agree that calling new fans with opinions trolls is counter-productive and unfair. It's nice to see new, passionate people. If the goal is to grow the sport in the US this is part of the process.

 
:lmao: at the Trolls.

Takes a special kind of person. It's like ignoring the NFL all year then popping up in a *Official* team thread for the Super Bowl and pissing for 12 hours.
Is it trolling to be interested and discussing the sport/supporting the US or are you just referring to stating strong opinions? Just wondering what I can and can't do since I haven't played since middle school and only watch during the word cup. So I'm definitely guilty of being ignorant in soccer, but I can see how general sports knowledge and strategy can be related and applied to a degree making the casual observers feel like they can take part in the discussion. The prevent defense in football vs. soccer being a good example.

So my question is that if the defenders can't "prevent" an attacker from getting to the goal, I'm assuming they can position themselves to make the attacker have to chose a more difficult lane, no? I mean if the defense is already in place they can't anticipate where the attacker will be heading when the ball is crossed and try to get in a better position? I'm just trying to understand why it seemed our entire defense was chasing the guy instead of being back already and ready to make a play.
Going into the box Cameron was in front of the runner, playing him onside. The problem wasn't that Cameron wasn't deeper, it's that Cameron wasn't tracking the run. Cameron should have picked up the run and stayed between him and the goal. He didn't. He allowed the runner to get a step in behind him and get a free header.
I read Bronx Bomber's question as: "why don't defenders just position themselves further back, like basketball players playing zone defense?" I think the answer to that is that it creates too many opportunities for the offense to get in close for an easy shot. El Floppo watches a lot more soccer than me, though, and seems to disagree, so maybe I'm off base.
Yeah that's what I was asking. I didn't mean to play like that the whole time they had the lead but after we pushed the ball down to the Portugal corner with 1 min left or whatever (before they got it back and the Bradley play). It makes sense to not want to be to far back now (thanks for the response about the offsides factor) but what is the easier shot for a pro; to move the ball through a mass of defenders closer to the goal, find a clear lane and get off an uncontested shot or to have the defense we had where we were tracking (as mentions above) and then leaving open the potential for a crossing/attack type goal like they made? Just curious.

 
The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. .
they have a few

Geoff Cameroon plays every minute in the EPL.

Fab and Chandler are both full time starters in the Bundesliga

John Brooks is a semi regular starter in Bundesliga
Eh, maybe I'm more of a noob than I thought. I knew about Cameron, kind of discounted him as he is playing a completely different position for USMNT than he did for Stoke.

Still a big believer in what Klinsmann is doing with this collection of players.

 
The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. .
they have a few

Geoff Cameroon plays every minute in the EPL.

Fab and Chandler are both full time starters in the Bundesliga

John Brooks is a semi regular starter in Bundesliga
Eh, maybe I'm more of a noob than I thought. I knew about Cameron, kind of discounted him as he is playing a completely different position for USMNT than he did for Stoke.

Still a big believer in what Klinsmann is doing with this collection of players.
Klinsmann has a habit of playing players in positions where they don't play at club level.

In fact 3/4 of our starting back line are moved around a bit:

Fab is typically a LB at club level, but he is playing right back

Cam is typically a RB at club level, but he is playing CB

DMB rarely plays on D at the club level but he plays LB

And even a sub like Chandler strictly plays RB at club level but he has played LB for US in the warm up games.

 
The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. .
they have a few

Geoff Cameroon plays every minute in the EPL.

Fab and Chandler are both full time starters in the Bundesliga

John Brooks is a semi regular starter in Bundesliga
Eh, maybe I'm more of a noob than I thought. I knew about Cameron, kind of discounted him as he is playing a completely different position for USMNT than he did for Stoke.

Still a big believer in what Klinsmann is doing with this collection of players.
Keep in mind that if Bradley had wanted to play for a mid-league side in one of the big leagues he probably could have. He was borderline good enough at a pretty strong Roma team.

Howard's one of the better keepers in the EPL too.

But yeah... Klinsmann has come out of this looking awfully good now no matter what happens against Germany. Replacing Gonzalez with Cameron, moving Fabian Johnson to RB, and inserting Beckerman into the lineup have all turned out to be fantastic moves.

 
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:lmao: at the Trolls.

Takes a special kind of person. It's like ignoring the NFL all year then popping up in a *Official* team thread for the Super Bowl and pissing for 12 hours.
Is it trolling to be interested and discussing the sport/supporting the US or are you just referring to stating strong opinions? Just wondering what I can and can't do since I haven't played since middle school and only watch during the word cup. So I'm definitely guilty of being ignorant in soccer, but I can see how general sports knowledge and strategy can be related and applied to a degree making the casual observers feel like they can take part in the discussion. The prevent defense in football vs. soccer being a good example.

So my question is that if the defenders can't "prevent" an attacker from getting to the goal, I'm assuming they can position themselves to make the attacker have to chose a more difficult lane, no? I mean if the defense is already in place they can't anticipate where the attacker will be heading when the ball is crossed and try to get in a better position? I'm just trying to understand why it seemed our entire defense was chasing the guy instead of being back already and ready to make a play.
Going into the box Cameron was in front of the runner, playing him onside. The problem wasn't that Cameron wasn't deeper, it's that Cameron wasn't tracking the run. Cameron should have picked up the run and stayed between him and the goal. He didn't. He allowed the runner to get a step in behind him and get a free header.
I read Bronx Bomber's question as: "why don't defenders just position themselves further back, like basketball players playing zone defense?" I think the answer to that is that it creates too many opportunities for the offense to get in close for an easy shot. El Floppo watches a lot more soccer than me, though, and seems to disagree, so maybe I'm off base.
Or do what Jermaine Jones did. You don't have to get particularly close. Give a professional all the space he wants at the top of the box, he'll pick a corner.

The US had plenty of bodies back. Portugal got one guy in the box. Somehow, Cameron lost him. It's a tough life as a centerback. You can play great for 93 out of 95 minutes. But make two mistakes and you've had a shocker.

 
:lmao: at the Trolls.

Takes a special kind of person. It's like ignoring the NFL all year then popping up in a *Official* team thread for the Super Bowl and pissing for 12 hours.
Is it trolling to be interested and discussing the sport/supporting the US or are you just referring to stating strong opinions? Just wondering what I can and can't do since I haven't played since middle school and only watch during the word cup. So I'm definitely guilty of being ignorant in soccer, but I can see how general sports knowledge and strategy can be related and applied to a degree making the casual observers feel like they can take part in the discussion. The prevent defense in football vs. soccer being a good example.

So my question is that if the defenders can't "prevent" an attacker from getting to the goal, I'm assuming they can position themselves to make the attacker have to chose a more difficult lane, no? I mean if the defense is already in place they can't anticipate where the attacker will be heading when the ball is crossed and try to get in a better position? I'm just trying to understand why it seemed our entire defense was chasing the guy instead of being back already and ready to make a play.
Going into the box Cameron was in front of the runner, playing him onside. The problem wasn't that Cameron wasn't deeper, it's that Cameron wasn't tracking the run. Cameron should have picked up the run and stayed between him and the goal. He didn't. He allowed the runner to get a step in behind him and get a free header.
I read Bronx Bomber's question as: "why don't defenders just position themselves further back, like basketball players playing zone defense?" I think the answer to that is that it creates too many opportunities for the offense to get in close for an easy shot. El Floppo watches a lot more soccer than me, though, and seems to disagree, so maybe I'm off base.
Yeah that's what I was asking. I didn't mean to play like that the whole time they had the lead but after we pushed the ball down to the Portugal corner with 1 min left or whatever (before they got it back and the Bradley play). It makes sense to not want to be to far back now (thanks for the response about the offsides factor) but what is the easier shot for a pro; to move the ball through a mass of defenders closer to the goal, find a clear lane and get off an uncontested shot or to have the defense we had where we were tracking (as mentions above) and then leaving open the potential for a crossing/attack type goal like they made? Just curious.
I made this comment in the other soccer thread but it ties into your question.

Late in the game Klnsmann made a tactical sub to remove our left half in Zusi and replace him with our best player in the air in Gonzalez to play in the middle of the defense.

We got punched twice on this move.

1) With no left half in the game, CRo had a free run at DMB who had to give ground. Had Zusi been on the field he could have challenged bothered CRo a bit.

2) Gonzo's main responsibility was to sit deep and clear any crosses but he was not positioned well for that cross.

 
I don't know what 538 means or how these rankings were figured, but Algeria a tier below everyone else in the tournament? I'm guessing these rankings are based on past performance rather than how the teams are performing right now?
Yeah... I forget how long results count here, but it's not just WC games. You don't know much about a team from two or three games. There's a ton of randomness in soccer (injuries, PKs, red cards, hitting the bar five times in a game but not scoring, just having a great day against an opponent that's off) so looking at the longer term is a better bet in terms of figuring out who's really good and who's not.

 
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The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. .
they have a few

Geoff Cameroon plays every minute in the EPL.

Fab and Chandler are both full time starters in the Bundesliga

John Brooks is a semi regular starter in Bundesliga
Eh, maybe I'm more of a noob than I thought. I knew about Cameron, kind of discounted him as he is playing a completely different position for USMNT than he did for Stoke.

Still a big believer in what Klinsmann is doing with this collection of players.
Keep in mind that if Bradley had wanted to play for a mid-league side in one of the big leagues he probably could have. He was borderline good enough at a pretty strong Roma team.

Howard's one of the better keepers in the EPL too.

But yeah... Klinsmann has come out of this looking awfully good now no matter what happens against Germany. Replacing Gonzalez with Cameron, moving Fabian Johnson to RB, and inserting Beckerman into the lineup have all turned out to be fantastic moves.
MLS also looks pretty good. Beckerman played an exceptional game. Again. If he were 24, this tournament would be making him some serious coin because any team could use a DM who reads the game that well and seems to never be out of position. Besler had a monster game. Five clearances, five interceptions, and something like 44 for 47 on his distribution (including several excellent diagonal outlets into the space that Ronaldo just gives away). He also covered magnificently for the Beas when he got upfield. Besler also might be somewhat too old to be looking for a payday in Europe, but he's probably earned a lot of leverage with Sporting KC.

 
The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. .
they have a few

Geoff Cameroon plays every minute in the EPL.

Fab and Chandler are both full time starters in the Bundesliga

John Brooks is a semi regular starter in Bundesliga
Also kinda unfair to discount that the USMNT does have players who are clearly capable of playing at that level. Bradley (Serie A), Dempsey (EPL), and Jones (Bundesliga) all had very successful stints in those leagues up until the past year or so, and are definitely capable of going back, if they want.

 
The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. .
they have a few

Geoff Cameroon plays every minute in the EPL.

Fab and Chandler are both full time starters in the Bundesliga

John Brooks is a semi regular starter in Bundesliga
Eh, maybe I'm more of a noob than I thought. I knew about Cameron, kind of discounted him as he is playing a completely different position for USMNT than he did for Stoke.

Still a big believer in what Klinsmann is doing with this collection of players.
Keep in mind that if Bradley had wanted to play for a mid-league side in one of the big leagues he probably could have. He was borderline good enough at a pretty strong Roma team.

Howard's one of the better keepers in the EPL too.

But yeah... Klinsmann has come out of this looking awfully good now no matter what happens against Germany. Replacing Gonzalez with Cameron, moving Fabian Johnson to RB, and inserting Beckerman into the lineup have all turned out to be fantastic moves.
MLS also looks pretty good. Beckerman played an exceptional game. Again. If he were 24, this tournament would be making him some serious coin because any team could use a DM who reads the game that well and seems to never be out of position. Besler had a monster game. Five clearances, five interceptions, and something like 44 for 47 on his distribution (including several excellent diagonal outlets into the space that Ronaldo just gives away). He also covered magnificently for the Beas when he got upfield. Besler also might be somewhat too old to be looking for a payday in Europe, but he's probably earned a lot of leverage with Sporting KC.
Agree... Zusi might get some attention too if he weren't already 27.

 
The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. .
they have a few

Geoff Cameroon plays every minute in the EPL.

Fab and Chandler are both full time starters in the Bundesliga

John Brooks is a semi regular starter in Bundesliga
Eh, maybe I'm more of a noob than I thought. I knew about Cameron, kind of discounted him as he is playing a completely different position for USMNT than he did for Stoke.

Still a big believer in what Klinsmann is doing with this collection of players.
Keep in mind that if Bradley had wanted to play for a mid-league side in one of the big leagues he probably could have. He was borderline good enough at a pretty strong Roma team.

Howard's one of the better keepers in the EPL too.

But yeah... Klinsmann has come out of this looking awfully good now no matter what happens against Germany. Replacing Gonzalez with Cameron, moving Fabian Johnson to RB, and inserting Beckerman into the lineup have all turned out to be fantastic moves.
MLS also looks pretty good. Beckerman played an exceptional game. Again. If he were 24, this tournament would be making him some serious coin because any team could use a DM who reads the game that well and seems to never be out of position. Besler had a monster game. Five clearances, five interceptions, and something like 44 for 47 on his distribution (including several excellent diagonal outlets into the space that Ronaldo just gives away). He also covered magnificently for the Beas when he got upfield. Besler also might be somewhat too old to be looking for a payday in Europe, but he's probably earned a lot of leverage with Sporting KC.
The Euro/MLS quality seems equally divided this year

Two young players made awesome debuts: Brooks (Euro), Yedlin (MLS)

Strong play from Dempsey,Besler,Beckerman(MLS) matched with strong play from Fab and Jones (Euro)

Some disappointments from Bradley (MLS) and Cam (Euro).

 
The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. .
they have a few

Geoff Cameroon plays every minute in the EPL.

Fab and Chandler are both full time starters in the Bundesliga

John Brooks is a semi regular starter in Bundesliga
Eh, maybe I'm more of a noob than I thought. I knew about Cameron, kind of discounted him as he is playing a completely different position for USMNT than he did for Stoke.

Still a big believer in what Klinsmann is doing with this collection of players.
Keep in mind that if Bradley had wanted to play for a mid-league side in one of the big leagues he probably could have. He was borderline good enough at a pretty strong Roma team.

Howard's one of the better keepers in the EPL too.

But yeah... Klinsmann has come out of this looking awfully good now no matter what happens against Germany. Replacing Gonzalez with Cameron, moving Fabian Johnson to RB, and inserting Beckerman into the lineup have all turned out to be fantastic moves.
MLS also looks pretty good. Beckerman played an exceptional game. Again. If he were 24, this tournament would be making him some serious coin because any team could use a DM who reads the game that well and seems to never be out of position. Besler had a monster game. Five clearances, five interceptions, and something like 44 for 47 on his distribution (including several excellent diagonal outlets into the space that Ronaldo just gives away). He also covered magnificently for the Beas when he got upfield. Besler also might be somewhat too old to be looking for a payday in Europe, but he's probably earned a lot of leverage with Sporting KC.
The Euro/MLS quality seems equally divided this year

Two young players made awesome debuts: Brooks (Euro), Yedlin (MLS)

Strong play from Dempsey,Besler,Beckerman(MLS) matched with strong play from Fab and Jones (Euro)

Some disappointments from Bradley (MLS) and Cam (Euro).
Yedlin is the most likely to have made his money so far this tournament. My wife knows nothing about the game, but she said, "Holy ****, that kid is fast!" on a play when he was chasing down CR7. If I'm a mid to low table Bundesliga team (maybe Hannover needs a new mayor?) I'd be on the phone. American fans probably know Yedlin's limitations better than most, but any team could use wheels and a motor like that.

 
think I heard last worldcup there was a total of 4 MLS players in the worldcup. This year there are 24! the sport is growing here

 
So how good is Josy anyways? I remember him being very young and a role player in the last world cup or am I thinking of someone else? Is he the best player on the team if healthy and true difference maker?

Disregard if this has been addressed already, just started following this thread.

 
From Twitter. The Univision ratings and viewership numbers for both networks will come later today

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ESPN: USA-Portugal overnight TV rating was a 9.1, "the highest overnight rating for a World Cup match on ESPN or ESPN2."

9:39 AM - 23 Jun 2014

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For those wondering, a 9.1 relates to ~10.5 million households(not viewers, just households).

If you roughly guess 1.3 viewers per household that gets you ~13-14 million viewers on ESPN, which puts it in the ball park to break the 19.4 million record for a US game when the Univision number is released.

 
So how good is Josy anyways? I remember him being very young and a role player in the last world cup or am I thinking of someone else? Is he the best player on the team if healthy and true difference maker?
Jozy was a starter in the last world cup

He is an important player for US in these specific tactics because he is the only target player JK brought

He had a very poor club season this past year and some were questioning if he should start for US

He is not best player on team when healthy. If his club career does not improve he could be replaced in this next cycle.

 
So how good is Josy anyways? I remember him being very young and a role player in the last world cup or am I thinking of someone else? Is he the best player on the team if healthy and true difference maker?

Disregard if this has been addressed already, just started following this thread.
Jozy was a starter in the last World Cup. Going into this World Cup, he would have been considered a "key" player for the US, but would not be considered the best player on the team. Dempsey and Bradley have better resumes. Fabian Johnson is probably more highly regarded.

With that said, an in-form Jozy is a dangerous player. Particularly against some teams (I think he's the type of striker that would give Germany fits considering their lack of pace at the back). Jozy had an excellent scoring season in Holland's Eredivisie but then had an awful season for Sunderland in the EPL. He probably wasn't as good as he looked in Holland (where's he's kind of tailor made for a league that has some defending limitations) and he's not nearly as bad as he looked for Sunderland (which left him extremely isolated and devoid of service). If you noticed Portugal's striker Eder last night, Jozy is probably a better version of that. Very physically imposing, has some spells where he struggles to finish chances.

 
think I heard last worldcup there was a total of 4 MLS players in the worldcup. This year there are 24! the sport is growing here
There were 4 MLS players on the US in 2010 but there were 6 total (one played for Honduras and one played for New Zealand).

This year is by far the highest in leagues history, which is even more impressive when you think about Landon being dumped late, and Sabborio breaking his foot just before the WC for Costa Rica.

 
think I heard last worldcup there was a total of 4 MLS players in the worldcup. This year there are 24! the sport is growing here
A quick look at 2010 reveals the following six players:

US - 4 MLS players (Donovan - LA Galaxy / Edson Buddle - LA Galaxy / Jonathan "National Hero in Honduras" Bornstein - Chivas / Robbie Findley - RSL)

Honduras - 1 MLS player (Roger Espinoza - Sporting KC)

New Zealand - 1 MLS player (Andrew Boyens - NY Red Bulls)

Note: New Zealand also had 1 US-based player playing in a lower US league (Jeremy Christie - FC Tampa Bay)

Did I miss anyone?

 
From Twitter. The Univision ratings and viewership numbers for both networks will come later today

==================

ESPN: USA-Portugal overnight TV rating was a 9.1, "the highest overnight rating for a World Cup match on ESPN or ESPN2."

9:39 AM - 23 Jun 2014

==================

For those wondering, a 9.1 relates to ~10.5 million households(not viewers, just households).

If you roughly guess 1.3 viewers per household that gets you ~13-14 million viewers on ESPN, which puts it in the ball park to break the 19.4 million record for a US game when the Univision number is released.
My friggin' MIL of all people voluntarily watched the whole game. I guess my kids making her turn it on when they're over there got her curious. She came running over (they live next door) to talk about the game. Her family is the most non-sports oriented family I know. Pretty darn cool even they're into this.

 
The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. .
they have a fewGeoff Cameroon plays every minute in the EPL.

Fab and Chandler are both full time starters in the Bundesliga

John Brooks is a semi regular starter in Bundesliga
Eh, maybe I'm more of a noob than I thought. I knew about Cameron, kind of discounted him as he is playing a completely different position for USMNT than he did for Stoke.

Still a big believer in what Klinsmann is doing with this collection of players.
Keep in mind that if Bradley had wanted to play for a mid-league side in one of the big leagues he probably could have. He was borderline good enough at a pretty strong Roma team.

Howard's one of the better keepers in the EPL too.

But yeah... Klinsmann has come out of this looking awfully good now no matter what happens against Germany. Replacing Gonzalez with Cameron, moving Fabian Johnson to RB, and inserting Beckerman into the lineup have all turned out to be fantastic moves.
MLS also looks pretty good. Beckerman played an exceptional game. Again. If he were 24, this tournament would be making him some serious coin because any team could use a DM who reads the game that well and seems to never be out of position. Besler had a monster game. Five clearances, five interceptions, and something like 44 for 47 on his distribution (including several excellent diagonal outlets into the space that Ronaldo just gives away). He also covered magnificently for the Beas when he got upfield. Besler also might be somewhat too old to be looking for a payday in Europe, but he's probably earned a lot of leverage with Sporting KC.
The Euro/MLS quality seems equally divided this yearTwo young players made awesome debuts: Brooks (Euro), Yedlin (MLS)

Strong play from Dempsey,Besler,Beckerman(MLS) matched with strong play from Fab and Jones (Euro)

Some disappointments from Bradley (MLS) and Cam (Euro).
Yedlin is the most likely to have made his money so far this tournament. My wife knows nothing about the game, but she said, "Holy ****, that kid is fast!" on a play when he was chasing down CR7. If I'm a mid to low table Bundesliga team (maybe Hannover needs a new mayor?) I'd be on the phone. American fans probably know Yedlin's limitations better than most, but any team could use wheels and a motor like that.
I know he is a wing back by trade but he has enough skills to play right half which also limits his defensive learning curve. I have not been that high on Bedoya and it would not shock me to see Yedlin get some more playing time against Germany.

JK has done stranger things but with Yedlin being very fresh and the fast turn around to game 3 I would not be shocked to see Yedlin get a start.

 
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think I heard last worldcup there was a total of 4 MLS players in the worldcup. This year there are 24! the sport is growing here
A quick look at 2010 reveals the following six players:US - 4 MLS players (Donovan - LA Galaxy / Edson Buddle - LA Galaxy / Jonathan "National Hero in Honduras" Bornstein - Chivas / Robbie Findley - RSL)

Honduras - 1 MLS player (Roger Espinoza - Sporting KC)

New Zealand - 1 MLS player (Andrew Boyens - NY Red Bulls)

Note: New Zealand also had 1 US-based player playing in a lower US league (Jeremy Christie - FC Tampa Bay)

Did I miss anyone?
Nope you did not miss anyone. 6 was it.

 
From Twitter. The Univision ratings and viewership numbers for both networks will come later today

==================

ESPN: USA-Portugal overnight TV rating was a 9.1, "the highest overnight rating for a World Cup match on ESPN or ESPN2."

9:39 AM - 23 Jun 2014

==================

For those wondering, a 9.1 relates to ~10.5 million households(not viewers, just households).

If you roughly guess 1.3 viewers per household that gets you ~13-14 million viewers on ESPN, which puts it in the ball park to break the 19.4 million record for a US game when the Univision number is released.
My friggin' MIL of all people voluntarily watched the whole game. I guess my kids making her turn it on when they're over there got her curious. She came running over (they live next door) to talk about the game. Her family is the most non-sports oriented family I know. Pretty darn cool even they're into this.
Of course the real key is how many first time fans stay with the sport and go to an MLS game or watch an EPL game. History tells us that after every WC the sport tends to get a boost, so I don't see why it would be different this cycle.

Just compare the interest level from 2006 to today at all levels (MLS, Liga MX, EPL, qualifiers, the WC itself etc), the growth is steady and impressive.

It likely can't continue this growth curve of course but any small boosts help the sport long term.

 
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The U.S. doesn't have a single position player who plays real minutes in EPL, La Liga, Bundesliga, Serie A. One of their seemingly indispensable players is out with an injury. .
they have a few

Geoff Cameroon plays every minute in the EPL.

Fab and Chandler are both full time starters in the Bundesliga

John Brooks is a semi regular starter in Bundesliga
Eh, maybe I'm more of a noob than I thought. I knew about Cameron, kind of discounted him as he is playing a completely different position for USMNT than he did for Stoke.

Still a big believer in what Klinsmann is doing with this collection of players.
Keep in mind that if Bradley had wanted to play for a mid-league side in one of the big leagues he probably could have. He was borderline good enough at a pretty strong Roma team.

Howard's one of the better keepers in the EPL too.

But yeah... Klinsmann has come out of this looking awfully good now no matter what happens against Germany. Replacing Gonzalez with Cameron, moving Fabian Johnson to RB, and inserting Beckerman into the lineup have all turned out to be fantastic moves.
MLS also looks pretty good. Beckerman played an exceptional game. Again. If he were 24, this tournament would be making him some serious coin because any team could use a DM who reads the game that well and seems to never be out of position. Besler had a monster game. Five clearances, five interceptions, and something like 44 for 47 on his distribution (including several excellent diagonal outlets into the space that Ronaldo just gives away). He also covered magnificently for the Beas when he got upfield. Besler also might be somewhat too old to be looking for a payday in Europe, but he's probably earned a lot of leverage with Sporting KC.
The Euro/MLS quality seems equally divided this year

Two young players made awesome debuts: Brooks (Euro), Yedlin (MLS)

Strong play from Dempsey,Besler,Beckerman(MLS) matched with strong play from Fab and Jones (Euro)

Some disappointments from Bradley (MLS) and Cam (Euro).
Yedlin is the most likely to have made his money so far this tournament. My wife knows nothing about the game, but she said, "Holy ****, that kid is fast!" on a play when he was chasing down CR7. If I'm a mid to low table Bundesliga team (maybe Hannover needs a new mayor?) I'd be on the phone. American fans probably know Yedlin's limitations better than most, but any team could use wheels and a motor like that.
I know he is a wing back by trade but he has enough skills to play right half which also limits his defensive learning curve.

I have not been that high on Bedoya and it would not shock me to see Yedlin get some more playing time against Germany.

JK has done stranger things but with Yedlin being very fresh and the fast turn around ti game 2 I would not be shocked to see Yedlin get a start.
I had an inkling that Yedlin had been named for the team specifically for Portugal (because I knew he was the one guy on the team who could stay with Ronaldo in a foot race). But I look at that German back line (and looking ahead, Belgium's), and I see opportunities.

I've also been a bit disappointed in Aly. I love the defensive effort. That's great. But that doesn't mean that you don't try to make some stuff happen when the numbers are there. Make the defenders have to make a play. Good things can happen.

 
From Twitter. The Univision ratings and viewership numbers for both networks will come later today

==================

ESPN: USA-Portugal overnight TV rating was a 9.1, "the highest overnight rating for a World Cup match on ESPN or ESPN2."

9:39 AM - 23 Jun 2014

==================

For those wondering, a 9.1 relates to ~10.5 million households(not viewers, just households).

If you roughly guess 1.3 viewers per household that gets you ~13-14 million viewers on ESPN, which puts it in the ball park to break the 19.4 million record for a US game when the Univision number is released.
My friggin' MIL of all people voluntarily watched the whole game. I guess my kids making her turn it on when they're over there got her curious. She came running over (they live next door) to talk about the game. Her family is the most non-sports oriented family I know. Pretty darn cool even they're into this.
Of course the real key is how many first time fans stay with the sport and go to an MLS game or watch an EPL game.

History tells us that after every WC the sport tends to get a boost, so I don't see why it would be different this cycle.

Just compare the interest level from 2006 to today at all levels (MLS, Liga MC, EPL, qualifiers, the WC itself etc), the growth is steady and impressive.

It likely can't continue this growth curve of course but any small boosts help the sport long term.
She obviously won't care after/if the US is booted, but they've certainly won our household over for the long term. :thumbup:

 
From Twitter. The Univision ratings and viewership numbers for both networks will come later today

==================

ESPN: USA-Portugal overnight TV rating was a 9.1, "the highest overnight rating for a World Cup match on ESPN or ESPN2."

9:39 AM - 23 Jun 2014

==================

For those wondering, a 9.1 relates to ~10.5 million households(not viewers, just households).

If you roughly guess 1.3 viewers per household that gets you ~13-14 million viewers on ESPN, which puts it in the ball park to break the 19.4 million record for a US game when the Univision number is released.
My friggin' MIL of all people voluntarily watched the whole game. I guess my kids making her turn it on when they're over there got her curious. She came running over (they live next door) to talk about the game. Her family is the most non-sports oriented family I know. Pretty darn cool even they're into this.
Of course the real key is how many first time fans stay with the sport and go to an MLS game or watch an EPL game.

History tells us that after every WC the sport tends to get a boost, so I don't see why it would be different this cycle.

Just compare the interest level from 2006 to today at all levels (MLS, Liga MC, EPL, qualifiers, the WC itself etc), the growth is steady and impressive.

It likely can't continue this growth curve of course but any small boosts help the sport long term.
She obviously won't care after/if the US is booted, but they've certainly won our household over for the long term. :thumbup:
If 1 out of 10 new viewers become a casual fan or better, it would be a good result long term for the sport.

Hope you come over to the soccer thread and jump in after the WC is over. Following the full 4 year cycle really increases the fun of the WC itself.

 
Apologies in advance for the incoherent rambling - just a bunch of thoughts since last nights game. If I offend you, take heart, I probably meant to offend.

First the game. There are several ways to look at it, one is certainly to dwell on the gut punch of the late goal. I am not going to lie, it was one of the most gut wrenching goals to see, but there have been worse. Imagine how Panama felt when the US scored late to eliminate them from the WC altogether. Its easy to sit back and assign blame for the last goal - its what most sports fans like to do. Did Bradley lose the ball too easily? Should Beasley have closed down Ronaldo? Should Besler have done a better job marking the Portuguese forward? Where was Gonzalez? etc. The flip side, if you are a Portuguese fan, is that your players played until the final whistle, they stole the ball, got it to one of the best players in the world, who made a perfect cross, onto a player who made the right contact, and scored a miraculous goal. There were so many things that had to go right after Bradley lost the ball - its as much credit to Portugal as it is blame on the US players. It still hurts, but its important to have perspective.

Another way to look at the game is to consider the game as a whole. The US found itself down very early, but to the credit of the team, picked themselves up off the mat, and continued to play. They did not compound the initial error, but instead found their footing, and began to play their own game. They found a deserved equalizer, and even got a go-ahead goal against one of the top teams in the world (not top-3 as their FIFA rankings suggest, but still a very good team). That says a lot about the US players, coaches, and tactics.

[side rant - Watching the players last night reminded me how much I really despise guys like Lalas, Twelman, and their ilk, who live in a world where they think guys like Jermaine Jones, Fabian Johnson, John Brooks, Julius Green, Mix Diskerud, Aron Johannsson, and anyone else who did not grow up in suburbia America don't belong on the USMNT. Lalas' great fallback has always been "those guys better want to win for their country" with the implication that they won't try as hard as "homegrown" players. Jones and Johnson are the two who are starting, and I have not seen anyone on the team give more effort, sweat or blood for this team as those guys. Stop griping about how things used to be, and embrace where we are, which is a team with better skilled players, who are all fighting to win games.]

Still another way to look at the results, is to consider that after two games, the US has 4 points and has scored 4 goals. The o/u on US goals going into the tournament was 3. Ask nearly anyone before the opening kickoff if they would take 4 points after two games, and they would have said yes, in a heartbeat. So, while we can talk about the what ifs, and what might have beens, the reality is, the US have put themselves in a favorable position going into the last game. From the oddsmakers, the US was underdogs to both Ghana and Portugal, and still managed to get results in both games. They are doing more right than they are wrong. No matter the result on Thursday, they have acquitted themselves well.

On Bradley specifically - I have yet to go back and re-watch the game, but my initial thoughts were that he did not meet expectation in the game. The caveat, of course, is that I had very high expectations for Bradley, and my initial thoughts were influenced by the last play and by the number of times I said "Damn it Bradley" during the game. Bradley certainly played better than against Ghana, and he made a number of very nice plays - plays that most people on the field could not make. The open goal look, was just that a look. He did what he should have done on that play - get a foot on the ball, put it on net. You cannot imagine how easy it is to flub that play. Bradley did not flub it. Credit to the Portuguese defender for getting back and being in position to make a play. There are a few players in the world who could make a clinical strike in that situation - it is not a knock on Bradley to not hit a corner in that situation.

In this thread - I think it is fair to have reasonable disagreements over Bradley's play. It feels though that some are being overly critical, and some are being overly protective. Bradley was as much a reason why the US gained a draw, as he was the reason they settled for a draw.

Which brings me to Trolls - you know who you are. Grow up. I don't care if you like soccer. I understand why you might not enjoy it. But, don't come in here and piss all over a sport or a game because you don't like it, or you don't understand it. The game has lots of nuances that are very different than many typical sports that American's like to watch. Different is not better or worse - just different. I happen to love watching the sport. I played it somewhat competitively for nearly 20 years. I have a much different understanding of the game than someone who never played, and who never watched. I get that watching a new sport can take a while to grow accustomed to many of the nuances, like the diving, or the clock, or off-sides, or yellow/red cards - and if you don't want to invest the time to become familiar with those things, thats fine. But please leave the thread for those who have an interest. I promise that they don't judge you for not liking the sport, so no reason for you to judge those that do.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I've been watching the WC for some time now, at least since 94, and I've gotten into EPL and La Liga, especially over beers at a couple local pubs, been to some minor league soccer here in NO (even gotten to know their coach) and helped with a local soccer association. But there are things that I still don't get. Can someone explain how the extra time is calculated? How is it validated, ie how do we know that 5:00 minutes is the correct and proper time? I think the American sports fan in me wants some kind of certainty or verifiability as to why the teams get the extra time that they do? That just seemed like a lot of ET in that game.
Supposedly the ref is suppose to keep track of it during the game to account for goals, subs and injuries and other time wasting tactics but most fans will tell you it is rarely accurate.Up until fairly recently, the fans were not told how much extra time there would be. You just waited for the whistle. They made a tiny improvement to at least post it now after the 90 minutes is up.
I've explained this to several new viewers the last few weeks and they've all rolled their eyes and asked why they can't just stop the clock. I really didn't have an answer. It's not a good system.

 

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