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***Official 2014 World Cup Thread*** (4 Viewers)
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Evilgrin 72
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18.2M viewers on ESPN
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B Maverick
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So I havent fully wrapped my head around the game yesterday so I havent much to say. Plus was at the bar (it was PACKED) enjoying the beers and game so I may not be all there. The crowd in the bar was electric. Chants of USA and the We Believe anthem were great. And the place would probably still be rocking today without the ending.
So without reading too much into the thread, here are my initial thoughts:
Best game I have seen the US play in a long time, outside of the first 5 mins and final 30 seconds.
Howard was outstanding. I can not find any fault in him for the final goal.
Bradly with a poor giveaway, the Defense got caught watching on the final cross and got beat to the ball. Magnified by the fact the US subbed in a 3rd central defender to protect the area
More importantly is why the US player who has the ball in the top corner decides to cross instead of standing on the ball? Wondo did it right on the left, what happened on the right? Do we not know how to close a game?
Jones with a great goal. Did not deserve the yellow.
Roanldo is obviously less then 100%. There were 2-3 times he had the ball in a position to do damage and couldnt. I think at full fitness its a different game. He had a breakway and shot right footed and missed by 10 ft. I think he scores that on the run if not hurting. Even his free kicks were poor.
I am more worried about losing by 1 and having ghana beat Portugal 2-0 then anything. I believe that puts Ghana through correct?
Also the soccer haters are out in force on sports talk pointing to the tie as how soccer sucks. Its Laughable. The believe they should keep playing, obviously having never run for 90 mins and then been told to run for an infinite more amount of time.
On a plus note, listening to Jay Mohr Sports and hearing him talk to Warren Barton (whos in san diego currently) was fun.
So without reading too much into the thread, here are my initial thoughts:
Best game I have seen the US play in a long time, outside of the first 5 mins and final 30 seconds.
Howard was outstanding. I can not find any fault in him for the final goal.
Bradly with a poor giveaway, the Defense got caught watching on the final cross and got beat to the ball. Magnified by the fact the US subbed in a 3rd central defender to protect the area
More importantly is why the US player who has the ball in the top corner decides to cross instead of standing on the ball? Wondo did it right on the left, what happened on the right? Do we not know how to close a game?
Jones with a great goal. Did not deserve the yellow.
Roanldo is obviously less then 100%. There were 2-3 times he had the ball in a position to do damage and couldnt. I think at full fitness its a different game. He had a breakway and shot right footed and missed by 10 ft. I think he scores that on the run if not hurting. Even his free kicks were poor.
I am more worried about losing by 1 and having ghana beat Portugal 2-0 then anything. I believe that puts Ghana through correct?
Also the soccer haters are out in force on sports talk pointing to the tie as how soccer sucks. Its Laughable. The believe they should keep playing, obviously having never run for 90 mins and then been told to run for an infinite more amount of time.
On a plus note, listening to Jay Mohr Sports and hearing him talk to Warren Barton (whos in san diego currently) was fun.
NewlyRetired
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The formula is based almost entirely on the need for political votes and not as much based on quality.
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Holy hell.
If that is just ESPN alone, the game might have broken the 24.3 million number when Univision is added in.
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Got it. Since the Concacaf was 2-2, I was thinking NHL like standings with the W-L-T.
That said, if I actually looked at the top line, I would have seen the "W-D-L" and not asked.
The Gator
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heckmanm
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I listened to the first part of the game in the car yesterday on satellite, meaning when I got in today, it was still tuned to ESPN Radio. Before I changed the channel, I caught a snippet of a Colin Cowherd rant about how the US didn't substitute enough until very late, while Portugal substituted throughout the game.
"How many substitutions did Portgugal make???!!?!?!?" I'm going to go out on a limb and guess "Three", Colin.
"How many substitutions did Portgugal make???!!?!?!?" I'm going to go out on a limb and guess "Three", Colin.
dickey moe
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I feel for you, EG. I had chili dog farts last night after the game that had my wife asking for an exorcism.Evilgrin 72 said:
The Gator
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I listened to the first part of the game in the car yesterday on satellite, meaning when I got in today, it was still tuned to ESPN Radio. Before I changed the channel, I caught a snippet of a Colin Cowherd rant about how the US didn't substitute enough until very late, while Portugal substituted throughout the game.
"How many substitutions did Portgugal make???!!?!?!?" I'm going to go out on a limb and guess "Three", Colin.
and one was forced due to injury, the second was tactical due to chasing the game. They were of necessity
Celph Titled
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I'm having a hard time with the idea of rooting for any team that Pepe is on.
NewlyRetired
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Combined viewership
ESPN 18.2 million
Univision 6.5 million
24.7 million total, which puts it just above the WC2010 Final, which was the previous high.
We might have a chance at 28 million for the final if things line up.
The 24.7 million had the English on ESPN and not ABC making the number even more impressive.
ESPN 18.2 million
Univision 6.5 million
24.7 million total, which puts it just above the WC2010 Final, which was the previous high.
We might have a chance at 28 million for the final if things line up.
The 24.7 million had the English on ESPN and not ABC making the number even more impressive.
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GF in email to me today:
"I checked on you often but I couldn't go to bed with you flopping and making so many smells. =/"
It was the most-watched. Oddly I was talking to a guy who is very into sports, and he thought the US would have to win to advance. Most people don't realize the US is in good position to advance despite the tie.
Celph Titled
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Ronaldo is apparently being followed around everywhere by "Andressa Urach", who is claiming that they've had an affair.
She's also a former Ms. Bumbum contestant.
She's also a former Ms. Bumbum contestant.
TheIronSheik
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I blame this on ESPN. After the game ended, they said that the US would need a tie or a win against Germany to advance. Before they said this, I was pretty sure a draw last night was a good outcome. But after they said that, even I was like, "Damn. I guess I don't know this sport like I thought I did." It wasn't until this morning when I read a couple articles that I realized I had been right all along.
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Who are we pulling for here? Do we want Brazil to lose?
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Jayrod
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So US situation (I'm sure this has been posted, but its for my sake):
Win vs Germany = win the group
Tie vs Germany = through as 2nd place (they have greater goal differential)
Loss vs Germany + Portugal win = we go through if the combined goal differential is less than 5. If it is equal to 5, then it goes to total goals scored which we lead 4-2 right now. Portugal win means we are likely through even with a loss, but there is a slim chance this knocks us.
Loss vs Germany + Ghana win = we go through if the combined goal differential is 2. If the combined differential is more than 2 than we are out. This is the most probable way we get knocked out.
A loss for Germany really doesn't put them at risk unless the US blows them out (unlikely) or the other game is a blowout (unlikely). They are likely through despite the game results.
Win vs Germany = win the group
Tie vs Germany = through as 2nd place (they have greater goal differential)
Loss vs Germany + Portugal win = we go through if the combined goal differential is less than 5. If it is equal to 5, then it goes to total goals scored which we lead 4-2 right now. Portugal win means we are likely through even with a loss, but there is a slim chance this knocks us.
Loss vs Germany + Ghana win = we go through if the combined goal differential is 2. If the combined differential is more than 2 than we are out. This is the most probable way we get knocked out.
A loss for Germany really doesn't put them at risk unless the US blows them out (unlikely) or the other game is a blowout (unlikely). They are likely through despite the game results.
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This is the exact same thing women have done. They #####ed for years about joining the boys' club. But as soon as they get in they start #####ing about how it should be changed. We're talkin about a game that has slowly evolved over 100 years. Take a little time to appreciate it and actually understand what's going on before insisting that it has to be changed.General Malaise said:I don't get it....do soccer fans in this country want Americans to embrace the sport or just leave it the hell alone? Mixed messages being sent. Complain that soccer is the red headed step child here for decades, then complain when newcomers chime in with their thoughts. There's a learning curve for new fans to any sport. Labeling observations of the new followers as 'ignorant' or calling their criticisms 'invalid' because they aren't sophisticated fans does not do the sport of soccer any favors here.roadkill1292 said:I think it's pretty courageous to have such a strong opinion with little knowledge of the subject at hand. We have a lot of brave newcomers in this thread.wdcrob said:Errr... I assume it's trolling.
No one is really this stupid, right?
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TheIronSheik
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I'm not trying to change it. But I can honestly tell you that (maybe not so much here, but around friends who are soccer fans) any time I ask a question, I get a snooty attitude. And if I make an observation, I've been told I don't know what I'm talking about and I should really just listen to their opinions.This is the exact same thing women have done. They #####ed for years about joining the boys' club. But as soon as they get in they start #####ing about how it should be changed. We're talkin about a game that has slowly evolved over 100 years. Take a little time to appreciate it before insisting that it has to be changed.General Malaise said:I don't get it....do soccer fans in this country want Americans to embrace the sport or just leave it the hell alone? Mixed messages being sent. Complain that soccer is the red headed step child here for decades, then complain when newcomers chime in with their thoughts. There's a learning curve for new fans to any sport. Labeling observations of the new followers as 'ignorant' or calling their criticisms 'invalid' because they aren't sophisticated fans does not do the sport of soccer any favors here.roadkill1292 said:I think it's pretty courageous to have such a strong opinion with little knowledge of the subject at hand. We have a lot of brave newcomers in this thread.wdcrob said:Errr... I assume it's trolling.
No one is really this stupid, right?
It's rather odd.
Question for Andy - but really anyone who follows MLS - do you think playing in MLS hurts players like Bradley, and other midfielders, and even defenders?
I guess where I am going with this, is how much time do they typically have on the ball in MLS? My suspicion is, relative to the European leagues, MLS players face less pressure, and have more time to make decisions. I wonder how that impacts his/their preparation to play against internationals. It seems that the lack of reps in the high pressure environment makes it more difficult to make those plays in WC games.
I think this is probably a bigger impact, if at all, on players likely to handle the ball more frequently - Bradley, Beckerman, and both center backs.
I guess where I am going with this, is how much time do they typically have on the ball in MLS? My suspicion is, relative to the European leagues, MLS players face less pressure, and have more time to make decisions. I wonder how that impacts his/their preparation to play against internationals. It seems that the lack of reps in the high pressure environment makes it more difficult to make those plays in WC games.
I think this is probably a bigger impact, if at all, on players likely to handle the ball more frequently - Bradley, Beckerman, and both center backs.
QuizGuy66
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Well I for one am looking forward to your breakdown of Iran vs Bosnia gbI'm not trying to change it. But I can honestly tell you that (maybe not so much here, but around friends who are soccer fans) any time I ask a question, I get a snooty attitude. And if I make an observation, I've been told I don't know what I'm talking about and I should really just listen to their opinions.This is the exact same thing women have done. They #####ed for years about joining the boys' club. But as soon as they get in they start #####ing about how it should be changed. We're talkin about a game that has slowly evolved over 100 years. Take a little time to appreciate it before insisting that it has to be changed.General Malaise said:I don't get it....do soccer fans in this country want Americans to embrace the sport or just leave it the hell alone? Mixed messages being sent. Complain that soccer is the red headed step child here for decades, then complain when newcomers chime in with their thoughts. There's a learning curve for new fans to any sport. Labeling observations of the new followers as 'ignorant' or calling their criticisms 'invalid' because they aren't sophisticated fans does not do the sport of soccer any favors here.roadkill1292 said:I think it's pretty courageous to have such a strong opinion with little knowledge of the subject at hand. We have a lot of brave newcomers in this thread.wdcrob said:Errr... I assume it's trolling.
No one is really this stupid, right?
It's rather odd.
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Maybe I was wrong to just blame ESPN. It seems like it's all media. CNN's headline right now is Are They Done?
Celph Titled
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What on Earth.The_Man said:
El Floppo
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MLS tends to be pretty fast, high-pressure.
The major difference is in quality of players pressing.
The commonly stated problem with players coming back to MLS is that they're surrounded by good professionals, not world class professionals. The day-in, day-out training and playing with and against the best in the world that the top 4 leagues sees, makes the players better. Of course, if they're not getting PT, that doesn't hold up as much.
TheIronSheik
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Here's a question that I'm at a loss for:
Why don't they shoot more? This may seem silly, but these guys are awesome. On free kicks, they bend it around people and hit the top right corner. So why not take that shot more often?
My first thought was that maybe the path is blocked and it's hard to see that from an overhead view. But is it blocked all of the time? The goal is huge. Put that ball top corner, either side, no way a goalie can get there in time, right?
Why don't they shoot more? This may seem silly, but these guys are awesome. On free kicks, they bend it around people and hit the top right corner. So why not take that shot more often?
My first thought was that maybe the path is blocked and it's hard to see that from an overhead view. But is it blocked all of the time? The goal is huge. Put that ball top corner, either side, no way a goalie can get there in time, right?
Dinsy Ejotuz
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I see a Mexican Girlfycat arriving shortly.
Celph Titled
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If you're 20 yards away from goal, a defender three yards away from you blocks a pretty significant chunk of said goal. It looks easy when you see things like Jones' goal, but more often than not those shots go awry.
Donkey Derp
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That Brazilian goalie took a HORRIBLE angle on that Cameroon goal.
B Maverick
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I dont know your friends but I am guessing its a combo of these two things. The question itself due to how often sportswriters, espn and fans have to chime in with if you changed this I would watch. You may just be asking a question like why is there an offside rule? They here change the offside rule and its a better game....I'm not trying to change it. But I can honestly tell you that (maybe not so much here, but around friends who are soccer fans) any time I ask a question, I get a snooty attitude. And if I make an observation, I've been told I don't know what I'm talking about and I should really just listen to their opinions.This is the exact same thing women have done. They #####ed for years about joining the boys' club. But as soon as they get in they start #####ing about how it should be changed. We're talkin about a game that has slowly evolved over 100 years. Take a little time to appreciate it before insisting that it has to be changed.General Malaise said:I don't get it....do soccer fans in this country want Americans to embrace the sport or just leave it the hell alone? Mixed messages being sent. Complain that soccer is the red headed step child here for decades, then complain when newcomers chime in with their thoughts. There's a learning curve for new fans to any sport. Labeling observations of the new followers as 'ignorant' or calling their criticisms 'invalid' because they aren't sophisticated fans does not do the sport of soccer any favors here.roadkill1292 said:I think it's pretty courageous to have such a strong opinion with little knowledge of the subject at hand. We have a lot of brave newcomers in this thread.wdcrob said:Errr... I assume it's trolling.
No one is really this stupid, right?
It's rather odd.
Not saying its right but having to listen to all the callers complain about a draw, not being able to use hands, etc unfortunately it gets tiresome and sadly innocent questions can sometimes lead to a blowup.
Just my opinion...
I think thats a valid criticism - I am sure I have been guilty from time to time.I'm not trying to change it. But I can honestly tell you that (maybe not so much here, but around friends who are soccer fans) any time I ask a question, I get a snooty attitude. And if I make an observation, I've been told I don't know what I'm talking about and I should really just listen to their opinions.This is the exact same thing women have done. They #####ed for years about joining the boys' club. But as soon as they get in they start #####ing about how it should be changed. We're talkin about a game that has slowly evolved over 100 years. Take a little time to appreciate it before insisting that it has to be changed.General Malaise said:I don't get it....do soccer fans in this country want Americans to embrace the sport or just leave it the hell alone? Mixed messages being sent. Complain that soccer is the red headed step child here for decades, then complain when newcomers chime in with their thoughts. There's a learning curve for new fans to any sport. Labeling observations of the new followers as 'ignorant' or calling their criticisms 'invalid' because they aren't sophisticated fans does not do the sport of soccer any favors here.roadkill1292 said:I think it's pretty courageous to have such a strong opinion with little knowledge of the subject at hand. We have a lot of brave newcomers in this thread.wdcrob said:Errr... I assume it's trolling.
No one is really this stupid, right?
It's rather odd.
I guess my response would be along the lines of - why should the sport change to appease American audiences? Not in a snarky way, but more in realization that the sport in its current iteration has billions of fans across the globe. Not that everyone else is right so you must be wrong, but more along the lines that there is enough appreciation for the current game there is so little impetus to change.
FIFA doesn't really care how Americans (or any other group) view the sport, so long as the world-wide audience continues to grow.
So, rather than talk about changes that would make you (generically) happy, you're better off deciding if you like it as is, or not. Because the sport is not going to change to suit American audiences.
Its ok if you don't like it though - I am not that snooty
Its an acquired taste.
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Celph Titled
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Mexico typically does a good job of trying to find a needle in the proverbial haystack, via shooting from distance.
