*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (4 Viewers)

[The Commish]

It's bad enough someone created these t-shirts but look at who sells them.Arkansas sells these?http://shop.arkansas...rt_-_Royal_BlueGeorgia too?http://shop.georgiad...rt_-_Royal_BlueEven Ole Miss?http://shop.foxsport...rt_-_Royal_Blue

They're offering, but they're not selling many. The college segment of the licensed business offers 50x as many tee graphics....you can find almost anything.And conference specific tees are a way for manufacturers to sell product for a school that they may not otherwise have a license for....so they'll try anything.

That they're offering is the entertainment value for a lot of us.

 

[gump]

It's bad enough someone created these t-shirts but look at who sells them.Arkansas sells these?http://shop.arkansas...rt_-_Royal_BlueGeorgia too?http://shop.georgiad...rt_-_Royal_BlueEven Ole Miss?http://shop.foxsport...rt_-_Royal_Blue

They're offering, but they're not selling many. The college segment of the licensed business offers 50x as many tee graphics....you can find almost anything.And conference specific tees are a way for manufacturers to sell product for a school that they may not otherwise have a license for....so they'll try anything.

That they're offering is the entertainment value for a lot of us.

No doubt they'll probably find 72 dip Ole Miss fans to buy it.

 

[Christo]

It's bad enough someone created these t-shirts but look at who sells them.Arkansas sells these?http://shop.arkansasrazorbacks.com/COLLEGE_Mens/SEC_Lucky_Number_Seven_T-Shirt_-_Royal_BlueGeorgia too?http://shop.georgiadogs.com/COLLEGE_Georgia_Bulldogs_T-Shirts/SEC_Lucky_Number_Seven_T-Shirt_-_Royal_BlueEven Ole Miss?http://shop.foxsports.com/FOX_Ole_Miss_Rebels/SEC_Lucky_Number_Seven_T-Shirt_-_Royal_Blue

I'm getting madder and madder at this crap

Co-opting your team's championships!

 

[shader]

It's bad enough someone created these t-shirts but look at who sells them.Arkansas sells these?http://shop.arkansasrazorbacks.com/COLLEGE_Mens/SEC_Lucky_Number_Seven_T-Shirt_-_Royal_BlueGeorgia too?http://shop.georgiadogs.com/COLLEGE_Georgia_Bulldogs_T-Shirts/SEC_Lucky_Number_Seven_T-Shirt_-_Royal_BlueEven Ole Miss?http://shop.foxsports.com/FOX_Ole_Miss_Rebels/SEC_Lucky_Number_Seven_T-Shirt_-_Royal_Blue

I'm getting madder and madder at this crap

Co-opting your team's championships!

If I ever see a Bama fan wearing one of these I will call them out on the spot

 

[gump]

SEC Network details rumored to be announced this week.

 

[Premier]

Talk of an ACC Big 12 "alliance" -- sounds like basically FSU-Miami-Clemson-VTech-Notre Dame playing UT-OU-OSU-KSU annually to beef up SOS.

 

[scottybo]

University of Tennessee $200 million in debt: My link

 

[GoFishTN]

University of Tennessee $200 million in debt: My link

Hamilton was a moron, Hart isn't looking much better. Awful coaching hires. The whole thing is a mess, really.Hopefully Jones can get the program moving in the right direction again.

 

[The Commish]

SEC Network details rumored to be announced this week.

They finally going after a full blown network? Seems to be a long time coming.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

SEC Network details rumored to be announced this week.

They finally going after a full blown network? Seems to be a long time coming.

The t-shirts beat the network.

 

[gump]

SEC Network details rumored to be announced this week.

They finally going after a full blown network? Seems to be a long time coming.

Every game is already televised with the ESPN deal of course, but the additional boost to revenue is rumored to be $10M per school.Supposed to launch in '14.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

SEC Network details rumored to be announced this week.

They finally going after a full blown network? Seems to be a long time coming.

Every game is already televised with the ESPN deal of course, but the additional boost to revenue is rumored to be $10M per school.Supposed to launch in '14.

These ridiculous TV contract rumors/numbers are never ending. $140M/year to televise what? Are you saying ESPN or CBS are going to give up their SEC games to put them on the network? Or are you saying the SEC is going to generate $140M/year to televise LSU vs Lousiana-Lafayette, Georgia vs Furman, and Florida vs Jacksonville St, for examples?

 

[Hoos First]

Well PSU backed out of a game with UVA next season. UVA replaced them with Oregon. Thats a 50 point loss.

 

[Moe.]

SEC Network details rumored to be announced this week.

They finally going after a full blown network? Seems to be a long time coming.

Every game is already televised with the ESPN deal of course, but the additional boost to revenue is rumored to be $10M per school.Supposed to launch in '14.

These ridiculous TV contract rumors/numbers are never ending. $140M/year to televise what? Are you saying ESPN or CBS are going to give up their SEC games to put them on the network? Or are you saying the SEC is going to generate $140M/year to televise LSU vs Lousiana-Lafayette, Georgia vs Furman, and Florida vs Jacksonville St, for examples?

The cable companies charge their customers a fee to carry the network. It's definitely feels like these sort of tv deals are a bubble and aren't sustainable long-term, and it isn't limited to just college football. Cable costs are going up and up for subscribers and it just can't continue on indefinitely.Live sports are about all they have left so they're trying to squeeze everything they can out of them.

 

[wadegarrett]

Well PSU backed out of a game with UVA next season. UVA replaced them with Oregon. Thats a 50 point loss.

C'mon...Oregon won't be that bad w/out Chip Kelly.

 

[gump]

SEC Network details rumored to be announced this week.

They finally going after a full blown network? Seems to be a long time coming.

Every game is already televised with the ESPN deal of course, but the additional boost to revenue is rumored to be $10M per school.Supposed to launch in '14.

These ridiculous TV contract rumors/numbers are never ending. $140M/year to televise what? Are you saying ESPN or CBS are going to give up their SEC games to put them on the network? Or are you saying the SEC is going to generate $140M/year to televise LSU vs Lousiana-Lafayette, Georgia vs Furman, and Florida vs Jacksonville St, for examples?

I don't know how it all synchs up. Would it be considered third-tier rights? If so, how much more is that than the SEC makes combined now? I thought UGA made around $10M already. I do know the SEC makes around $300M a year not counting third-tier rights.Doesnt Texas make about $15M a year from the LHN?

 

[The Commish]

SEC Network details rumored to be announced this week.

They finally going after a full blown network? Seems to be a long time coming.

Every game is already televised with the ESPN deal of course, but the additional boost to revenue is rumored to be $10M per school.Supposed to launch in '14.

So this is just more money for the football not an actual network or are they going to do a network where it's all SEC all the time covering field hockey, baseball, basketball, 2nd-3rd tier football, gymnastics etc?They get to renegotiate all their deals because of the additions of TAMU and Missouri right? CBS's contract shouldn't change much right? They only have marquee games. I'd imagine the 2nd and 3rd tier is where the negotiations will take place? $10 million jump doesn't seem like much unless they also shrink the # of years of the contract. The one they're under is until like 2025 or something isn't it? They'd have been behind for a while if they had to wait til 2025 to renegotiate. I think I'm missing something in the equation here

 

[gump]

SEC Network details rumored to be announced this week.

They finally going after a full blown network? Seems to be a long time coming.

Every game is already televised with the ESPN deal of course, but the additional boost to revenue is rumored to be $10M per school.Supposed to launch in '14.

So this is just more money for the football not an actual network or are they going to do a network where it's all SEC all the time covering field hockey, baseball, basketball, 2nd-3rd tier football, gymnastics etc?They get to renegotiate all their deals because of the additions of TAMU and Missouri right? CBS's contract shouldn't change much right? They only have marquee games. I'd imagine the 2nd and 3rd tier is where the negotiations will take place? $10 million jump doesn't seem like much unless they also shrink the # of years of the contract. The one they're under is until like 2025 or something isn't it? They'd have been behind for a while if they had to wait til 2025 to renegotiate. I think I'm missing something in the equation here

It will definitely be all sports. Last I heard the ESPN deal was supposed to be increased with the additions too. But I'm seeing more confusion than details at this point.

 

[The Commish]

SEC Network details rumored to be announced this week.

They finally going after a full blown network? Seems to be a long time coming.

Every game is already televised with the ESPN deal of course, but the additional boost to revenue is rumored to be $10M per school.Supposed to launch in '14.

So this is just more money for the football not an actual network or are they going to do a network where it's all SEC all the time covering field hockey, baseball, basketball, 2nd-3rd tier football, gymnastics etc?They get to renegotiate all their deals because of the additions of TAMU and Missouri right? CBS's contract shouldn't change much right? They only have marquee games. I'd imagine the 2nd and 3rd tier is where the negotiations will take place? $10 million jump doesn't seem like much unless they also shrink the # of years of the contract. The one they're under is until like 2025 or something isn't it? They'd have been behind for a while if they had to wait til 2025 to renegotiate. I think I'm missing something in the equation here

It will definitely be all sports. Last I heard the ESPN deal was supposed to be increased with the additions too. But I'm seeing more confusion than details at this point.

Glad it's not just me This has certainly been a long time coming for them.

 

[gump]

Anything to see here?http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8895337"Now the (NCAA and its co-defendants) are facing potential liability that's based on the billions of dollars in revenue instead of tens or hundreds of millions," said Michael Hausfeld, interim lead counsel for the plaintiffs. "It's a more accurate context for what the players deserve."

 

[The Commish]

Anything to see here?http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8895337"Now the (NCAA and its co-defendants) are facing potential liability that's based on the billions of dollars in revenue instead of tens or hundreds of millions," said Michael Hausfeld, interim lead counsel for the plaintiffs. "It's a more accurate context for what the players deserve."

I'd think so, so probably not

 

[Slapdash]

Anything to see here?http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=8895337"Now the (NCAA and its co-defendants) are facing potential liability that's based on the billions of dollars in revenue instead of tens or hundreds of millions," said Michael Hausfeld, interim lead counsel for the plaintiffs. "It's a more accurate context for what the players deserve."

I hope so.

 

[Slapdash]

Some insanity in the Shark Pool regarding the NFL Playoffs. Hoping this is sarcasm:

The Seahawks would have destroyed the Ravens in the superbowl. It is really a shame that the NFL has set it up so that the best team doesn't always win.

Yeah, maybe they should develop a sophisticated set of algorithms to pick the best team. And they could supplement that with subjective team rankings from knowledgeable insiders. Then just have the best team from each conference play each other to determine which is best. Fans and teams would love it.

Well...they can't play each other...that would bring too much "luck" into it...

Fair enough. Maybe we should let them play, but then vote again after the game to crown the true champion.

 

[roadkill1292]

Some insanity in the Shark Pool regarding the NFL Playoffs. Hoping this is sarcasm:

The Seahawks would have destroyed the Ravens in the superbowl. It is really a shame that the NFL has set it up so that the best team doesn't always win.

Yeah, maybe they should develop a sophisticated set of algorithms to pick the best team. And they could supplement that with subjective team rankings from knowledgeable insiders. Then just have the best team from each conference play each other to determine which is best. Fans and teams would love it.

Well...they can't play each other...that would bring too much "luck" into it...

Fair enough. Maybe we should let them play, but then vote again after the game to crown the true champion.

Yes, it was sarcasm, responding to Buster's lament about his Seahawks getting beat. I'm not surprised that sarcasm bypasses a Seattle fan but I'm a little surprised that you didn't pick up on it.

 

[Slapdash]

Some insanity in the Shark Pool regarding the NFL Playoffs. Hoping this is sarcasm:

The Seahawks would have destroyed the Ravens in the superbowl. It is really a shame that the NFL has set it up so that the best team doesn't always win.

Yeah, maybe they should develop a sophisticated set of algorithms to pick the best team. And they could supplement that with subjective team rankings from knowledgeable insiders. Then just have the best team from each conference play each other to determine which is best. Fans and teams would love it.

Well...they can't play each other...that would bring too much "luck" into it...

Fair enough. Maybe we should let them play, but then vote again after the game to crown the true champion.

Yes, it was sarcasm, responding to Buster's lament about his Seahawks getting beat. I'm not surprised that sarcasm bypasses a Seattle fan but I'm a little surprised that you didn't pick up on it.

I caught Sho Nuff's sarcasm but my meter hasn't been very good today. After reading that Dentist thread I'm not sure what to believe.

 

[The Commish]

Urban

This should go over well at the B1G meetings coming up...especially with guys like Dantonio.

 

[BigJohn]

Urban This should go over well at the B1G meetings coming up...especially with guys like Dantonio.

He's 100% right.

 

[BigJohn]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

 

[sho nuff]

He is right in a way...and recruiting rankings overall have shown the signs of being a better team...but come on...there are so many holes in it.Guys like Rodgers...JJ Watt was a 2 star kid.Hell, Tennessee has the 15th most talented team based on recruits over the last 5 years...how has that gone for them?Id like to see these recruiting classes reranked 2-3 years down the road to show how good they really were.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Maybe he can import some of that SEC weather while he's at it.

 

[BigJohn]

The rankings discussion is ongoing in the NSD thread, so I dont want to bleed it over too much, but IMO, consistent high-ranking classes will produce far more results than lower classes, with good coaching. Just my .02.

 

[The Commish]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

 

[BigJohn]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

I think he genuinely wants to see the whole conference imrove as a whole. The B1G is quickly becoming the PAC10 of the last 10 years. OSU/UM then everybody else. The SEC is so far a head of everyone else because the conference has depth. Serious depth. He want's the B1G to strive to do the same. And the best way to do this, is to improve recruiting and build the conference as a whole.

 

[Slapdash]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

I think he genuinely wants to see the whole conference imrove as a whole. The B1G is quickly becoming the PAC10 of the last 10 years. OSU/UM then everybody else. The SEC is so far a head of everyone else because the conference has depth. Serious depth. He want's the B1G to strive to do the same. And the best way to do this, is to improve recruiting and build the conference as a whole.

If it is OSU/UM then everybody else, why has Wisconsin won three straight titles?

 

[whoknew]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

For #2 - if the perception of the conference is that it is weak, that will make it much harder to get into the 4 team playoff.

 

[BigJohn]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.

2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?

I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

I think he genuinely wants to see the whole conference imrove as a whole. The B1G is quickly becoming the PAC10 of the last 10 years. OSU/UM then everybody else. The SEC is so far a head of everyone else because the conference has depth. Serious depth. He want's the B1G to strive to do the same. And the best way to do this, is to improve recruiting and build the conference as a whole.

If it is OSU/UM then everybody else, why has Wisconsin won three straight titles?

 

[Slapdash]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.

2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?

I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

I think he genuinely wants to see the whole conference imrove as a whole. The B1G is quickly becoming the PAC10 of the last 10 years. OSU/UM then everybody else. The SEC is so far a head of everyone else because the conference has depth. Serious depth. He want's the B1G to strive to do the same. And the best way to do this, is to improve recruiting and build the conference as a whole.

If it is OSU/UM then everybody else, why has Wisconsin won three straight titles?

That sounds like a bunch of bull####. UM/OSU have only both finished as the top two teams in the coference twice in the last ten years and both of those there was a tie for second. Little evidence that it is becoming them then everyone else.

 

[The Commish]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

For #2 - if the perception of the conference is that it is weak, that will make it much harder to get into the 4 team playoff.

Do we know this for sure? I've not seen the criteria they are going to use to determine the teams. I'm not dismissing that notion, but I'm not sure how much "conference strength" is going to play a part. Hopefully, it will be SOS plus MOV for the individual schools along with "quality wins". Much like the bball tournament.

 

[The Commish]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

I think he genuinely wants to see the whole conference imrove as a whole. The B1G is quickly becoming the PAC10 of the last 10 years. OSU/UM then everybody else. The SEC is so far a head of everyone else because the conference has depth. Serious depth. He want's the B1G to strive to do the same. And the best way to do this, is to improve recruiting and build the conference as a whole.

Then he needs to be in the ears of the presidents and ADs (the people setting the budgets), not the coaches. Not all the schools have the budgets that Michigan and OSU have for recruiting and the coaches can't change that. They can only ask if the change would be considered.ETA: On top of all this is the irony of him going after players from other B1G schools...that can't be lost in all this.

 

[Kal El]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

I think he genuinely wants to see the whole conference imrove as a whole. The B1G is quickly becoming the PAC10 of the last 10 years. OSU/UM then everybody else. The SEC is so far a head of everyone else because the conference has depth. Serious depth. He want's the B1G to strive to do the same. And the best way to do this, is to improve recruiting and build the conference as a whole.

Then he needs to be in the ears of the presidents and ADs (the people setting the budgets), not the coaches. Not all the schools have the budgets that Michigan and OSU have for recruiting and the coaches can't change that. They can only ask if the change would be considered.ETA: On top of all this is the irony of him going after players from other B1G schools...that can't be lost in all this.

Yeah, that's the sign of a weasel coach. Rodriguez tried that a few times and got burned.

 

[The Commish]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

I think he genuinely wants to see the whole conference imrove as a whole. The B1G is quickly becoming the PAC10 of the last 10 years. OSU/UM then everybody else. The SEC is so far a head of everyone else because the conference has depth. Serious depth. He want's the B1G to strive to do the same. And the best way to do this, is to improve recruiting and build the conference as a whole.

Then he needs to be in the ears of the presidents and ADs (the people setting the budgets), not the coaches. Not all the schools have the budgets that Michigan and OSU have for recruiting and the coaches can't change that. They can only ask if the change would be considered.ETA: On top of all this is the irony of him going after players from other B1G schools...that can't be lost in all this.

Yeah, that's the sign of a weasel coach. Rodriguez tried that a few times and got burned.

I didn't post it from a point of ethics. It's just funny to me that the guy is getting players from schools in his conference while saying "come on guys, we gotta do better".

 

[whoknew]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.

2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?

I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

I think he genuinely wants to see the whole conference imrove as a whole. The B1G is quickly becoming the PAC10 of the last 10 years. OSU/UM then everybody else. The SEC is so far a head of everyone else because the conference has depth. Serious depth. He want's the B1G to strive to do the same. And the best way to do this, is to improve recruiting and build the conference as a whole.

If it is OSU/UM then everybody else, why has Wisconsin won three straight titles?

That sounds like a bunch of bull####. UM/OSU have only both finished as the top two teams in the coference twice in the last ten years and both of those there was a tie for second. Little evidence that it is becoming them then everyone else.

The point is, M and Ohio have both had top 10 classes the last two years. No other Big Ten team has. If that trend continues, its going to be very difficult on the other teams. Can WI maintain its status with subpar recruits? Sure. But it won't be easy. Recruit rankings are not the be all/end all - but in general, you'd rather have a 5* player than a 4*, a 4* than a 3*, etc.

 

[whoknew]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

For #2 - if the perception of the conference is that it is weak, that will make it much harder to get into the 4 team playoff.

Do we know this for sure? I've not seen the criteria they are going to use to determine the teams. I'm not dismissing that notion, but I'm not sure how much "conference strength" is going to play a part. Hopefully, it will be SOS plus MOV for the individual schools along with "quality wins". Much like the bball tournament.

Well right. That's the point - SOS will undoubtedly factor in.So lets say this year there was a 4 team tournament and the committee had to choose between a 1 loss Ohio and a 1 loss LSU. I'd be pretty surprised if they took the 1 loss Ohio. Because LSU will have played Alabama, Arkansas, Ole Miss, S.Carolina, George, etc. Not to mention the mighty Commodores.

 

[whoknew]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

I think he genuinely wants to see the whole conference imrove as a whole. The B1G is quickly becoming the PAC10 of the last 10 years. OSU/UM then everybody else. The SEC is so far a head of everyone else because the conference has depth. Serious depth. He want's the B1G to strive to do the same. And the best way to do this, is to improve recruiting and build the conference as a whole.

Then he needs to be in the ears of the presidents and ADs (the people setting the budgets), not the coaches. Not all the schools have the budgets that Michigan and OSU have for recruiting and the coaches can't change that. They can only ask if the change would be considered.ETA: On top of all this is the irony of him going after players from other B1G schools...that can't be lost in all this.

Yeah, that's the sign of a weasel coach. Rodriguez tried that a few times and got burned.

So Hoke is a weasel coach?

 

[Moe.]

Selection committee to have between 14 and 20 members. At least one representative from each fbs conference.

 

[Slapdash]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.

2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?

I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

I think he genuinely wants to see the whole conference imrove as a whole. The B1G is quickly becoming the PAC10 of the last 10 years. OSU/UM then everybody else. The SEC is so far a head of everyone else because the conference has depth. Serious depth. He want's the B1G to strive to do the same. And the best way to do this, is to improve recruiting and build the conference as a whole.

If it is OSU/UM then everybody else, why has Wisconsin won three straight titles?

That sounds like a bunch of bull####. UM/OSU have only both finished as the top two teams in the coference twice in the last ten years and both of those there was a tie for second. Little evidence that it is becoming them then everyone else.

The point is, M and Ohio have both had top 10 classes the last two years. No other Big Ten team has. If that trend continues, its going to be very difficult on the other teams. Can WI maintain its status with subpar recruits? Sure. But it won't be easy. Recruit rankings are not the be all/end all - but in general, you'd rather have a 5* player than a 4*, a 4* than a 3*, etc.

I would think you would need to see it happening on the field where football is played first. Not in the fantasy land of recruiting rankings. The team with more talent doesn't always win.

 

[BigJohn]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

I think he genuinely wants to see the whole conference imrove as a whole. The B1G is quickly becoming the PAC10 of the last 10 years. OSU/UM then everybody else. The SEC is so far a head of everyone else because the conference has depth. Serious depth. He want's the B1G to strive to do the same. And the best way to do this, is to improve recruiting and build the conference as a whole.

Then he needs to be in the ears of the presidents and ADs (the people setting the budgets), not the coaches. Not all the schools have the budgets that Michigan and OSU have for recruiting and the coaches can't change that. They can only ask if the change would be considered.ETA: On top of all this is the irony of him going after players from other B1G schools...that can't be lost in all this.

Yeah, that's the sign of a weasel coach. Rodriguez tried that a few times and got burned.

So Hoke is a weasel coach?

The top 2 recruiters dont let down once a guy is commited. Its not being a weasel, it's being persistent. Thats why they will win and the others will lose.

 

[The Commish]

Selection committee to have between 14 and 20 members. At least one representative from each fbs conference.

So far so good

 

[The Commish]

Well, he's right assuming you agree that lower recruiting rankings equate to worse teams. And we all know your opinion, Commish.

Perception is reality on this topic. We already know you can't take a step in the SE without falling into a top 10 recruiting class. That's because of the number of quality players. Accumulating HS talent is one thing. Getting it to transition to college is another. But none of this was the point of my posting. My points were two:1. In the B1G, it's me against you. Week in and week out. You do your thing. I'm going to do mine.2. Given #1, why on earth would he care if the other schools are recruiting to the level he thinks they should be?I'm pretty sure he's gonna get a lot of "Mind your own business." kinds of comments/looks

For #2 - if the perception of the conference is that it is weak, that will make it much harder to get into the 4 team playoff.

Do we know this for sure? I've not seen the criteria they are going to use to determine the teams. I'm not dismissing that notion, but I'm not sure how much "conference strength" is going to play a part. Hopefully, it will be SOS plus MOV for the individual schools along with "quality wins". Much like the bball tournament.

Well right. That's the point - SOS will undoubtedly factor in.So lets say this year there was a 4 team tournament and the committee had to choose between a 1 loss Ohio and a 1 loss LSU. I'd be pretty surprised if they took the 1 loss Ohio. Because LSU will have played Alabama, Arkansas, Ole Miss, S.Carolina, George, etc. Not to mention the mighty Commodores.

You're selling the Dores short here. That's a better win than Arkansas and Ole Miss But they also struggled with Auburn, Towson etc....this is why I love the idea of a committee...it all has the potential of factoring in.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Selection committee to have between 14 and 20 members. At least one representative from each fbs conference.

So far so good

They added 8-12 more teams to the playoff?