*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (2 Viewers)

[Mjolnirs]

I just saw an interesting story on the local news. A local FBS team, Charleston Southern, are off to their best start ever at 5-0 and have scheduled a game for their open week in October and will travel to play Colorado.

I don't know that I've ever seen a college football game scheduled in the middle of the season.

 

[fasteddie_21]

I just saw an interesting story on the local news. A local FBS team, Charleston Southern, are off to their best start ever at 5-0 and have scheduled a game for their open week in October and will travel to play Colorado.

I don't know that I've ever seen a college football game scheduled in the middle of the season.

I assume make up for the flooded out Fresno State game? Who is Fresno State playing?

 

[gump]

Deloss Dodds retiring in August. That gets him thru the coaching transition.

Helps him transition Mack in to the AD role as well.

I know someone....they say no chance of this...maybe some kind of special advisor role. But who knows.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Navy-Air Force game (and also BC-Army this weekend) in jeopardy because of government shutdown.

Link

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Updated KRACH ratings through games of Sept. 29. Things starting to take a little bit better shape.

POS.	TEAM		W	L	KRACH		LAST1	Alabama		4	0	5869.26		12	Clemson		4	0	4040.47		33	Washington	4	0	3079.04		54	Florida St	4	0	2908.32		45	No. Illinois	4	0	2334.11		146	Stanford	4	0	2304.90		217	Fresno St	4	0	1829.48		68	Georgia		3	1	1805.64		339	Oklahoma	4	0	1672.02		2010	Northwestern	4	0	1657.73		711	Texas Tech	4	0	1647.22		812	Oregon		4	0	1508.99		1913	Missouri	4	0	1485.06		1114	Virginia Tech	4	1	1452.27		2915	Louisville	4	0	1408.29		916	Texas A&M	4	1	1382.19		2817	Ohio State	5	0	1306.79		2718	UCLA		3	0	1254.96		1019	Maryland	4	0	1181.30		2420	Miami FL	4	0	1064.47		2321	Baylor		3	0	955.81		1822	LSU		4	1	943.57		223	Michigan	4	0	889.33		1224	Houston		4	0	846.13		3125	Arizona		3	1	814.63		1326	Iowa		4	1	730.76		6827	Arizona St	3	1	718.04		4528	South Carolina	3	1	711.61		4729	Pittsburgh	3	1	677.41		4230	Ohio U.		3	1	582.44		3531	Auburn		3	1	577.35		2232	Florida		3	1	540.21		4133	Illinois	3	1	513.51		3734	Mississippi	3	1	508.44		3435	Nebraska	3	1	507.71		3236	Rutgers		3	1	488.32		3637	Georgia Tech	3	1	481.91		2638	Washington St	3	2	445.98		3039	Minnesota	4	1	438.74		2540	Central Florida	3	1	417.21		1741	Oregon St	4	1	416.90		5542	Texas St.	3	1	414.60		5943	East Carolina	3	1	413.09		5344	West Virginia	3	2	407.22		7345	NC State	3	1	404.92		4446	Bowling Green	4	1	397.88		4647	Boise St	3	2	345.68		5048	Penn State	3	1	345.42		4049	Utah		3	1	333.91		4850	Oklahoma St	3	1	329.19		1551	Ball St		4	1	320.83		6252	Tennessee	3	2	307.90		8153	Navy		2	1	307.42		1654	Notre Dame	3	2	291.18		3955	North Texas	2	2	270.95		7156	Southern Cal	3	2	265.81		4357	TCU		2	2	264.52		7058	Marshall	2	2	252.92		6659	Duke		3	2	250.94		6460	Colorado	2	1	244.99		3861	Arkansas	3	2	237.80		5162	Wisconsin	3	2	233.75		6363	Cincinnati	3	1	232.18		6064	Indiana		2	2	229.09		4965	Michigan St	3	1	225.59		5466	Rice		2	2	216.20		7767	Virginia	2	2	206.48		5268	UNLV		3	2	205.58		6769	Boston College	2	2	201.80		6170	South Alabama	2	2	196.73		5871	Nevada		3	2	192.94		8272	Syracuse	2	2	178.93		7473	Buffalo		2	2	170.20		8574	West. Kentucky	3	2	165.67		10275	Toledo		2	3	158.69		5776	Tulane		3	2	156.12		8777	Iowa St		1	2	147.57		11278	Brigham Young	2	2	145.17		9279	Wyoming		3	2	144.71		6580	Vanderbilt	3	2	142.77		9981	Utah St		3	2	141.30		8482	California	1	3	140.13		7683	Kansas		2	1	134.46		8084	Mississippi St	2	2	134.18		5685	Kansas St	2	2	114.66		8986	SMU		1	3	113.90		7887	La.-Lafayette	2	2	112.40		8688	Texas		2	2	102.19		9489	Kent St		2	3	101.33		9690	North Carolina	1	3	99.61		7991	Texas-San Ant.	2	3	98.72		6992	Middle Tenn. St	3	2	94.71		7293	La.-Monroe	2	3	93.95		7594	Colorado St	2	3	86.73		10195	Tulsa		1	3	80.98		8896	San José St	1	3	80.38		8397	Wake Forest	2	3	77.24		9798	Arkansas St	2	3	69.60		9399	Akron           1	4	66.17		90100	East. Michigan  1	3	65.98		103101	Memphis		1	2	65.76		98102	Troy		2	3	60.08		91103	Army		2	3	59.26		116104	San Diego St	1	3	54.29		114105	Kentucky	1	3	53.66		109106	Purdue		1	4	51.98		106107	Ala.-Birmingham	1	3	51.60		95108	Cent. Michigan	1	4	44.67		104109	Idaho		1	4	42.75		118110	New Mexico	1	3	40.48		100111	Florida Int'l	0	4	39.47		110112	Louisiana Tech	1	4	38.27		105113	Fla. Atlantic	1	4	34.92		108114	Connecticut	0	4	32.43		107115	Southern Miss	0	4	27.08		115116	Hawai`i		0	4	26.82		119117	Air Force	1	4	21.93		117118	Massachusetts	0	4	17.92		123119	UTEP		1	3	17.33		113120	Temple		0	4	15.75		111121	West. Michigan	0	5	15.73		121122	Miami OH	0	4	15.22		122123	South Florida	0	4	13.38		120124	Georgia St	0	4	12.82		124125	New Mexico St	0	5	6.19		125

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Updated "Plus-Minus" ratings through Sept. 29. Again, a little more common sense coming into the math with more games played.

				AVG.	OPP.		POS.	TEAM		GP	MARGIN	RATING	RATING	LAST1	Alabama		4	1.00	1.87	2.87	22	Georgia		4	0.50	2.23	2.73	63	Florida St	4	1.00	1.61	2.61	34	Clemson		4	1.00	1.56	2.56	15	Stanford	4	1.00	1.44	2.44	326	Washington	4	1.00	1.43	2.43	47	South Carolina	4	0.50	1.80	2.30	258	Fresno St	4	1.00	1.29	2.29	59	Texas Tech	4	1.00	1.29	2.29	1210	No. Illinois	4	1.00	1.26	2.26	1711	Oklahoma	4	1.00	1.25	2.25	1512	Oregon		4	1.00	1.24	2.24	2013	LSU		5	0.60	1.64	2.24	714	Texas A&M	5	0.60	1.63	2.23	2215	Missouri	4	1.00	1.19	2.19	816	Virginia Tech	5	0.60	1.59	2.19	2417	Baylor		3	1.00	1.16	2.16	2318	UCLA		3	1.00	1.14	2.14	1419	Louisville	4	1.00	1.12	2.12	2720	Arizona St	4	0.50	1.56	2.06	6121	Northwestern	4	1.00	1.06	2.06	3522	Arizona		4	0.50	1.52	2.02	1023	Ohio State	5	1.00	1.01	2.01	4724	Pittsburgh	4	0.50	1.50	2.00	1925	Auburn		4	0.50	1.49	1.99	1626	Maryland	4	1.00	0.98	1.98	2927	Central Florida	4	0.50	1.45	1.95	1328	Ohio U.		4	0.50	1.44	1.94	3929	Michigan	4	1.00	0.92	1.92	3030	Washington St	5	0.20	1.70	1.90	2631	Mississippi	4	0.50	1.38	1.88	4232	Florida		4	0.50	1.37	1.87	3133	Oregon St	5	0.60	1.24	1.84	5434	North Texas	4	0.00	1.81	1.81	5035	Houston		4	1.00	0.81	1.81	4036	Iowa		5	0.60	1.20	1.80	7837	Nebraska	4	0.50	1.30	1.80	3438	Rutgers		4	0.50	1.26	1.76	4339	Penn State	4	0.50	1.25	1.75	4140	Bowling Green	5	0.60	1.15	1.75	3841	Georgia Tech	4	0.50	1.23	1.73	1842	Miami FL	4	1.00	0.73	1.73	2843	Utah		4	0.50	1.21	1.71	5344	Southern Cal	5	0.20	1.51	1.71	4545	Texas St.	4	0.50	1.21	1.71	6346	East Carolina	4	0.50	1.20	1.70	5147	Illinois	4	0.50	1.18	1.68	3348	TCU		4	0.00	1.67	1.67	5249	Colorado	3	0.33	1.31	1.64	2150	Ball St		5	0.60	1.04	1.64	6751	Minnesota	5	0.60	1.02	1.62	3652	Tennessee	5	0.20	1.41	1.61	7653	Boise St	5	0.20	1.41	1.61	4854	Navy		3	0.33	1.24	1.57	955	NC State	4	0.50	1.04	1.54	3756	Boston College	4	0.00	1.53	1.53	7357	Arkansas	5	0.20	1.30	1.50	5858	Notre Dame	5	0.20	1.29	1.49	5759	West Virginia	5	0.20	1.28	1.48	7960	Marshall	4	0.00	1.47	1.47	6661	Oklahoma St	4	0.50	0.92	1.42	1162	Duke		5	0.20	1.21	1.41	6063	Rice		4	0.00	1.41	1.41	6964	Nevada		5	0.20	1.21	1.41	7065	Indiana		4	0.00	1.39	1.39	4466	Cincinnati	4	0.50	0.86	1.36	7167	Wisconsin	5	0.20	1.15	1.35	8068	Buffalo		4	0.00	1.35	1.35	10069	South Alabama	4	0.00	1.34	1.34	7570	UNLV		5	0.20	1.13	1.33	6871	Vanderbilt	5	0.20	1.13	1.33	9072	Virginia	4	0.00	1.32	1.32	5673	Brigham Young	4	0.00	1.29	1.29	8574	Toledo		5	-0.20	1.48	1.28	4975	Iowa St		3	-0.33	1.61	1.28	11876	Utah St		5	0.20	1.04	1.24	9477	Wyoming		5	0.20	1.04	1.24	7478	Michigan St	4	0.50	0.73	1.23	8479	SMU		4	-0.50	1.70	1.20	7280	West. Kentucky	5	0.20	0.99	1.19	11281	North Carolina	4	-0.50	1.68	1.18	5582	Colorado St	5	-0.20	1.38	1.18	6483	Syracuse	4	0.00	1.17	1.17	8884	California	4	-0.50	1.66	1.16	9685	Kansas St	4	0.00	1.15	1.15	9286	Texas		4	0.00	1.13	1.13	8387	Tulsa		4	-0.50	1.62	1.12	5988	La.-Lafayette	4	0.00	1.10	1.10	8789	Kent St		5	-0.20	1.30	1.10	8290	Tulane		5	0.20	0.89	1.09	10191	Texas-San Ant.	5	-0.20	1.24	1.04	4692	San José St	4	-0.50	1.52	1.02	8993	Kansas		3	0.33	0.67	1.01	8194	Mississippi St	4	0.00	1.00	1.00	6295	Middle Tenn. St	5	0.20	0.80	1.00	6596	La.-Monroe	5	-0.20	1.13	0.93	9197	Wake Forest	5	-0.20	1.13	0.93	11098	San Diego St	4	-0.50	1.42	0.92	10999	Idaho		5	-0.60	1.51	0.91	104100	Florida Int'l	4	-1.00	1.89	0.89	93101	Kentucky	4	-0.50	1.38	0.88	113102	Akron		5	-0.60	1.47	0.87	95103	Arkansas St	5	-0.20	1.02	0.82	99104	Hawai`i		4	-1.00	1.81	0.81	114105	East. Michigan	4	-0.50	1.29	0.79	105106	Army		5	-0.20	0.98	0.78	119107	Memphis		3	-0.33	1.08	0.74	98108	Ala.-Birmingham	4	-0.50	1.23	0.73	86109	Connecticut	4	-1.00	1.72	0.72	102110	Purdue		5	-0.60	1.30	0.70	115111	New Mexico	4	-0.50	1.16	0.66	77112	Southern Miss	4	-1.00	1.65	0.65	111113	Troy		5	-0.20	0.85	0.65	97114	Fla. Atlantic	5	-0.60	1.20	0.60	106115	Cent. Michigan	5	-0.60	1.18	0.58	108116	West. Michigan	5	-1.00	1.41	0.41	120117	Temple		4	-1.00	1.36	0.36	116118	Miami OH	4	-1.00	1.35	0.35	123119	Massachusetts	4	-1.00	1.33	0.33	121120	Louisiana Tech	5	-0.60	0.91	0.31	107121	Air Force	5	-0.60	0.91	0.31	122122	UTEP		4	-0.50	0.77	0.27	103123	New Mexico St	5	-1.00	1.22	0.22	117124	South Florida	4	-1.00	1.16	0.16	124125	Georgia St	4	-1.00	0.95	-0.05	125

 

[Clayton Gray]

N. Illinois over Oregon and LSU = Impossible to take serious.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

N. Illinois over Oregon and LSU = Impossible to take serious.

That should change once more games get played. But I should point out that Wes Colley, who has one of the six BCS computers, has NIU at 11 with Oregon at 9 and LSU at 17.

And this is what happens when you try to follow the BCS insistence that game scores not be part of the equation. It becomes a referendum on who you play, not how you did.

So looking at that, there is no question that NIU has the best win of the three teams so far (beating 4-1 Iowa on the road). Oregon's four opponents are three pedestrian teams (Virginia, Tennessee, Cal) and a mediocre FCS team (Nicholls State). The FCS team that NIU faced (Eastern Illinois) is much higher rated.

And the lone decent team that LSU played was a loss to Georgia, one that obviously counts toward 25 percent of its rating so far. And since we're not allowed to determine any difference between whether Georgia beats LSU by 3 or Georgia Southern by 50, that's what happens. And LSU's three wins are also very pedestrian (TCU, UAB, Kent State).

Assuming all three keep winning, Oregon and LSU will get the benefits of their stronger opponents while NIU settles into its MAC schedule.

I just put these here as fodder for conversation. Computer ratings can be screwy, especially at this time of year, but they also are unbiased.

For the record, the same system including scores has Oregon 5, LSU 6 and Northern Illinois ... 44. So there you go.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

N. Illinois over Oregon and LSU = Impossible to take serious.

That should change once more games get played. But I should point out that Wes Colley, who has one of the six BCS computers, has NIU at 11 with Oregon at 9 and LSU at 17.

And this is what happens when you try to follow the BCS insistence that game scores not be part of the equation. It becomes a referendum on who you play, not how you did.

So looking at that, there is no question that NIU has the best win of the three teams so far (beating 4-1 Iowa on the road). Oregon's four opponents are three pedestrian teams (Virginia, Tennessee, Cal) and a mediocre FCS team (Nicholls State). The FCS team that NIU faced (Eastern Illinois) is much higher rated.

And the lone decent team that LSU played was a loss to Georgia, one that obviously counts toward 25 percent of its rating so far. And since we're not allowed to determine any difference between whether Georgia beats LSU by 3 or Georgia Southern by 50, that's what happens. And LSU's three wins are also very pedestrian (TCU, UAB, Kent State).

Assuming all three keep winning, Oregon and LSU will get the benefits of their stronger opponents while NIU settles into its MAC schedule.

I just put these here as fodder for conversation. Computer ratings can be screwy, especially at this time of year, but they also are unbiased.

For the record, the same system including scores has Oregon 5, LSU 6 and Northern Illinois ... 44. So there you go.

Just curious. If you're already intent on using a different system than the BCS, why stay restricted by their rule about not counting scores?

 

[Dickie Dunn]

N. Illinois over Oregon and LSU = Impossible to take serious.

That should change once more games get played. But I should point out that Wes Colley, who has one of the six BCS computers, has NIU at 11 with Oregon at 9 and LSU at 17.

And this is what happens when you try to follow the BCS insistence that game scores not be part of the equation. It becomes a referendum on who you play, not how you did.

So looking at that, there is no question that NIU has the best win of the three teams so far (beating 4-1 Iowa on the road). Oregon's four opponents are three pedestrian teams (Virginia, Tennessee, Cal) and a mediocre FCS team (Nicholls State). The FCS team that NIU faced (Eastern Illinois) is much higher rated.

And the lone decent team that LSU played was a loss to Georgia, one that obviously counts toward 25 percent of its rating so far. And since we're not allowed to determine any difference between whether Georgia beats LSU by 3 or Georgia Southern by 50, that's what happens. And LSU's three wins are also very pedestrian (TCU, UAB, Kent State).

Assuming all three keep winning, Oregon and LSU will get the benefits of their stronger opponents while NIU settles into its MAC schedule.

I just put these here as fodder for conversation. Computer ratings can be screwy, especially at this time of year, but they also are unbiased.

For the record, the same system including scores has Oregon 5, LSU 6 and Northern Illinois ... 44. So there you go.

Just curious. If you're already intent on using a different system than the BCS, why stay restricted by their rule about not counting scores?

Because my intent was to try to "mimic" to a certain degree what the BCS was doing. Many of the computer programmers will readily admit that they have systems that include scores that would be much more "accurate", but the BCS hasn't allowed them to use them for several seasons. Sagarin is one, and I believe Massey is another.

The second list I published is a pretty crude formula, which I adapted from one that Doug Drinen and Chase Stuart wrote about on the web several years ago. And yet, it isn't far off from the ones published by the "real mathematicians" by season's end. The KRACH is a sophisticated model that is widely championed in college hockey as better than the RPI, and which a Cornell professor helped me figure out how to calculate. To the best of my knowledge, it isn't even possible to add game scores to KRACH.

One other thing I wanted to do is try to look at the picture before the BCS rankings ever get released, which is usually mid-October. Two of the six computers won't even release rankings until then and a third, Sagarin, readily admits he adds bias to the rankings until enough games are played. Another, Billingsley, is frequently mocked by other mathematicians for the assumptions he enters in his formula to make them more closely reflect popular opinion, which defeats the whole purpose of a computer ranking (and yet, the BCS continues to use it, for obvious reasons).

Of course, all of this would be solved if I just waited like everyone else until there was more data. But what fun would that be?

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Here is how that Plus-Minus system looks with scores included (I've capped Margin of Victory at 28 for any given game).:

AVG. OPP. POS. TEAM GP MARGIN RATING RATING1 Alabama 4 20.50 42.37 62.872 Georgia 4 8.75 51.10 59.853 Washington 4 21.00 38.81 59.814 Florida St 4 24.50 34.28 58.785 Oregon 4 28.00 29.25 57.256 LSU 5 15.40 41.57 56.977 Clemson 4 17.75 38.76 56.518 Baylor 3 28.00 27.92 55.929 Stanford 4 19.25 36.50 55.7510 Texas A&M 5 16.40 38.75 55.1511 UCLA 3 25.33 29.81 55.1412 Texas Tech 4 20.50 33.93 54.4313 Missouri 4 20.50 31.53 52.0314 Louisville 4 24.50 27.30 51.8015 Arizona St 4 9.25 41.24 50.4916 South Carolina 4 4.75 45.62 50.3717 Ohio State 5 20.20 29.88 50.0818 Maryland 4 23.75 26.07 49.8219 TCU 4 7.25 42.20 49.4520 Florida 4 11.00 38.30 49.3021 Arizona 4 15.75 33.49 49.2422 Central Florida 4 14.00 35.04 49.0423 Oklahoma 4 19.75 27.90 47.6524 Illinois 4 13.50 34.05 47.5525 Penn State 4 14.75 31.89 46.6426 Auburn 4 6.25 39.87 46.1227 Northwestern 4 17.50 28.15 45.6528 Indiana 4 8.25 37.04 45.2929 Nebraska 4 9.75 35.29 45.0430 Utah St 5 15.40 29.61 45.0131 Iowa 5 12.20 32.14 44.3432 Miami FL 4 22.25 22.03 44.2833 Southern Cal 5 4.80 39.41 44.2134 Wisconsin 5 15.00 29.15 44.1535 Virginia Tech 5 4.60 39.24 43.8436 Utah 4 9.00 34.67 43.6737 East Carolina 4 12.75 30.60 43.3538 Georgia Tech 4 13.25 29.36 42.6139 Washington St 5 4.80 37.43 42.2340 Boise St 5 9.80 32.40 42.2041 Brigham Young 4 9.00 33.08 42.0842 Mississippi 4 4.50 37.48 41.9843 Ball St 5 15.40 25.82 41.2244 No. Illinois 4 11.25 29.86 41.1145 Vanderbilt 5 11.80 29.12 40.9246 Minnesota 5 14.20 26.69 40.8947 Marshall 4 11.25 29.63 40.8848 North Texas 4 1.25 39.32 40.5749 Oklahoma St 4 14.50 26.05 40.5550 Arkansas 5 7.00 33.55 40.5551 Bowling Green 5 12.60 27.89 40.4952 Oregon St 5 10.00 30.34 40.3453 Navy 3 7.33 32.84 40.1854 Kansas St 4 9.00 31.00 40.0055 Tennessee 5 4.20 35.53 39.7356 Wyoming 5 12.00 27.65 39.6557 NC State 4 11.00 28.09 39.0958 Texas St. 4 6.75 32.09 38.8459 Iowa St 3 1.00 36.89 37.8960 Ohio U. 4 2.25 35.59 37.8461 Houston 4 17.50 20.24 37.7462 Mississippi St 4 8.50 28.84 37.3463 Pittsburgh 4 2.00 35.33 37.3364 Rutgers 4 12.25 24.85 37.1065 West Virginia 5 1.40 35.46 36.8666 Syracuse 4 7.25 29.54 36.7967 Boston College 4 -4.50 41.15 36.6568 Fresno St 4 5.75 30.60 36.3569 Toledo 5 -1.40 36.82 35.4270 Michigan 4 11.50 23.48 34.9871 Cincinnati 4 10.50 24.37 34.8772 Duke 5 4.40 30.36 34.7673 Buffalo 4 -4.25 38.54 34.2974 Kentucky 4 -3.00 36.78 33.7875 Texas 4 -0.50 33.93 33.4376 Nevada 5 -0.60 33.33 32.7377 North Carolina 4 -7.25 39.91 32.6678 Virginia 4 -2.00 33.90 31.9079 Colorado 3 0.33 31.54 31.8780 Notre Dame 5 1.60 30.25 31.8581 Michigan St 4 13.00 18.81 31.8182 Rice 4 -3.25 34.67 31.4283 West. Kentucky 5 2.80 28.43 31.2384 South Alabama 4 0.25 30.54 30.7985 California 4 -13.25 43.62 30.3786 Memphis 3 2.67 27.01 29.6887 San José St 4 -11.00 40.63 29.6388 Colorado St 5 -1.60 30.12 28.5289 Tulane 5 4.60 23.88 28.4890 SMU 4 -18.25 46.47 28.2291 La.-Lafayette 4 -2.00 29.92 27.9292 UNLV 5 -0.80 27.91 27.1193 Wake Forest 5 -1.20 28.15 26.9594 Ala.-Birmingham 4 -8.75 34.98 26.2395 Kent St 5 -10.00 36.19 26.1996 Connecticut 4 -14.25 39.37 25.1297 San Diego St 4 -10.75 35.58 24.8398 Akron 5 -10.40 34.52 24.1299 Army 5 -3.80 27.45 23.65100 Troy 5 -2.20 25.54 23.34101 Middle Tenn. St 5 -3.40 26.71 23.31102 Kansas 3 3.67 19.48 23.15103 Arkansas St 5 -7.80 30.76 22.96104 Hawai`i 4 -15.75 38.41 22.66105 Fla. Atlantic 5 -7.80 30.43 22.63106 Texas-San Ant. 5 -9.40 31.49 22.09107 La.-Monroe 5 -8.60 30.10 21.50108 Tulsa 4 -17.25 38.64 21.39109 Southern Miss 4 -21.00 41.66 20.66110 Temple 4 -8.50 28.81 20.31111 Air Force 5 -11.20 30.51 19.31112 Florida Int'l 4 -26.25 45.26 19.01113 Idaho 5 -18.40 36.77 18.37114 Massachusetts 4 -20.75 38.68 17.93115 Purdue 5 -17.00 33.48 16.48116 New Mexico 4 -9.25 25.14 15.89117 West. Michigan 5 -16.80 32.60 15.80118 Louisiana Tech 5 -8.80 24.45 15.65119 East. Michigan 4 -16.00 31.56 15.56120 Miami OH 4 -24.50 39.27 14.77121 UTEP 4 -5.50 19.54 14.04122 Cent. Michigan 5 -16.80 29.64 12.84123 New Mexico St 5 -22.00 33.67 11.67124 Georgia St 4 -18.00 28.49 10.49125 South Florida 4 -22.25 32.04 9.79I'm sure these look much more "accurate" ... with the exception of Ohio State at 17, though the Buckeyes get dragged down by playing against three subpar teams (Cal, Buffalo, San Diego State) as well as the essentially useless game against a middling FCS school in Florida A&M. Sagarin, Massey and Colley all have the Buckeyes in the 12-14 range in their rankings.

 

[Slider6]

UCLA fans... What does the QB recruiting board look like? I saw they offered Kaaya yesterday. Do they think they can flip him?

FYI, I'm a Miami fan so I hope they can't.

 

[GDogg]

UCLA fans... What does the QB recruiting board look like? I saw they offered Kaaya yesterday. Do they think they can flip him?

FYI, I'm a Miami fan so I hope they can't.

It's Kaaya or bust right now. They put all their eggs in the Kyle Allen basket and every other high level west coast or local QB prospect (Manny Wilkins, Brad Kaaya and another dude whose name escapes me) committed before Allen did. Allen then committed to A&M in June and UCLA was left without any uncommitted options.

Yes, they think they can flip him. They've been after him pretty hard lately and had a bunch of players and coaches at his game last week before finally offering. There was one other guy they took a look at last week, Rafe Peavey from Missouri, but they ultimately decided on Kaaya.

He apparently wants to sit down with the UCLA coaches and discuss the offense. He's worried that it might not suit him because he's not much of a runner and the Bruins use a bit of zone read. But, Noel Mazzone, UCLA's OC, did not use any zone read stuff at Arizona St. when he was there with Brock Osweiller in 2010-11, so the Bruins are likely going to inform him that they tailor the offense to their QB's strengths and weaknesses.

The word from Kaaya's head coach at Chaminade is that UCLA has a very good chance here. You never know, though.

 

[gump]

Likely AA Safety HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama is suspended indefinitely.

Huge blow to a young secondary. Other rumors, but length of suspension will depend on team rules violation or something else (agent)...we'll see.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Word is that the Air Force-Navy and Army-BC games will be played Saturday. All that is needed is for Chuck Hagel to sign off.

 

[Slider6]

UCLA fans... What does the QB recruiting board look like? I saw they offered Kaaya yesterday. Do they think they can flip him?

FYI, I'm a Miami fan so I hope they can't.

It's Kaaya or bust right now. They put all their eggs in the Kyle Allen basket and every other high level west coast or local QB prospect (Manny Wilkins, Brad Kaaya and another dude whose name escapes me) committed before Allen did. Allen then committed to A&M in June and UCLA was left without any uncommitted options.

Yes, they think they can flip him. They've been after him pretty hard lately and had a bunch of players and coaches at his game last week before finally offering. There was one other guy they took a look at last week, Rafe Peavey from Missouri, but they ultimately decided on Kaaya.

He apparently wants to sit down with the UCLA coaches and discuss the offense. He's worried that it might not suit him because he's not much of a runner and the Bruins use a bit of zone read. But, Noel Mazzone, UCLA's OC, did not use any zone read stuff at Arizona St. when he was there with Brock Osweiller in 2010-11, so the Bruins are likely going to inform him that they tailor the offense to their QB's strengths and weaknesses.

The word from Kaaya's head coach at Chaminade is that UCLA has a very good chance here. You never know, though.

Thanks for the reply. One of the UM insiders says he's as good as gone, but the offer isn't commitable yet.

That will really screw up the UM QB recruiting since they let Edouard go and it seems Rosier will flip as soon as he gets an SEC offer.

 

[Emerson Biggens]

Likely AA Safety HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama is suspended indefinitely.

Huge blow to a young secondary. Other rumors, but length of suspension will depend on team rules violation or something else (agent)...we'll see.

HaHa? Is that his real name? Good lord

 

[gump]

Likely AA Safety HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama is suspended indefinitely.

Huge blow to a young secondary. Other rumors, but length of suspension will depend on team rules violation or something else (agent)...we'll see.

HaHa? Is that his real name? Good lord

Ha'Sean

 

[prefontaine]

Likely AA Safety HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama is suspended indefinitely.

Huge blow to a young secondary. Other rumors, but length of suspension will depend on team rules violation or something else (agent)...we'll see.

it appears a junior staffer lent him money. The staffer has been put on leave but you have to think the damage is done. Having an athletic dept employee directly give him money (loan or not) pretty much means they'll vacate the games year to date. Sad way to dethrone the Bama machine.

I don't know how to imbed links any more: http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/report_alabama_assistant_stren.html

 

[gump]

Likely AA Safety HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama is suspended indefinitely.

Huge blow to a young secondary. Other rumors, but length of suspension will depend on team rules violation or something else (agent)...we'll see.

it appears a junior staffer lent him money. The staffer has been put on leave but you have to think the damage is done. Having an athletic dept employee directly give him money (loan or not) pretty much means they'll vacate the games year to date. Sad way to dethrone the Bama machine.I don't know how to imbed links any more: http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/report_alabama_assistant_stren.html

Whoa pre....not saying you're wrong yet, but some compliance 'experts' don't think the school will be punished, because they investigated and suspended when they discovered:

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/ncaa_compliance_expert_says_cl.html

There are examples of the NCAA laying off schools if they react quickly....OSU (before Tressel was busted) for one.

Clinton-Dix was at practice today....a positive sign I think.

 

[prefontaine]

True, OSU got a light punishment before they found out Tressel was involved. But this isn't some random tattoo booster. It's an employee, a university representative. That's not a minor difference. The loan itself isn't a big deal. I doubt Clinton-Dix gets that harsh of a punishment assuming no further details come to light.

IMO, the big deal is that someone that works in the Alabama athletic department knowingly and willingly broke NCAA rules and covered it up. You can't say the university didn't know. The university's representative committed the violation.

That's how I immediately viewed it at least. I'm not an NCAA compliance expert and have no idea what the NCAA will do or how it will be handled. It's just really hard for me to see how they could not absolutely hammer the university for the actions of their staff.

 

[gump]

True, OSU got a light punishment before they found out Tressel was involved. But this isn't some random tattoo booster. It's an employee, a university representative. That's not a minor difference. The loan itself isn't a big deal. I doubt Clinton-Dix gets that harsh of a punishment assuming no further details come to light.

IMO, the big deal is that someone that works in the Alabama athletic department knowingly and willingly broke NCAA rules and covered it up. You can't say the university didn't know. The university's representative committed the violation.

That's how I immediately viewed it at least. I'm not an NCAA compliance expert and have no idea what the NCAA will do or how it will be handled. It's just really hard for me to see how they could not absolutely hammer the university for the actions of their staff.

There is some more color though....now it appears Clinton-Dix was robbed the night prior to the loan....confirmed by a police incident report...and repaid the loan shortly after, confirmed by a bank statement.

It appears really bad on one hand....and really harmless on another.

 

[Christo]

Likely AA Safety HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama is suspended indefinitely.

Huge blow to a young secondary. Other rumors, but length of suspension will depend on team rules violation or something else (agent)...we'll see.

HaHa? Is that his real name? Good lord

Ha'Sean

Somehow, that seems worse.

 

[Christo]

Go Cyclones!

 

[The Commish]

Likely AA Safety HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama is suspended indefinitely.

Huge blow to a young secondary. Other rumors, but length of suspension will depend on team rules violation or something else (agent)...we'll see.

it appears a junior staffer lent him money. The staffer has been put on leave but you have to think the damage is done. Having an athletic dept employee directly give him money (loan or not) pretty much means they'll vacate the games year to date. Sad way to dethrone the Bama machine.I don't know how to imbed links any more: http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/report_alabama_assistant_stren.html

Whoa pre....not saying you're wrong yet, but some compliance 'experts' don't think the school will be punished, because they investigated and suspended when they discovered:

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/ncaa_compliance_expert_says_cl.html

There are examples of the NCAA laying off schools if they react quickly....OSU (before Tressel was busted) for one.

Clinton-Dix was at practice today....a positive sign I think.

Still don't get it?? It's Alabama....they'll be fine.

 

[shader]

Likely AA Safety HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama is suspended indefinitely.

Huge blow to a young secondary. Other rumors, but length of suspension will depend on team rules violation or something else (agent)...we'll see.

it appears a junior staffer lent him money. The staffer has been put on leave but you have to think the damage is done. Having an athletic dept employee directly give him money (loan or not) pretty much means they'll vacate the games year to date. Sad way to dethrone the Bama machine.I don't know how to imbed links any more: http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/report_alabama_assistant_stren.html

 

[Abraham]

Saban's head has to be about to blow off.

 

[gump]

Likely AA Safety HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama is suspended indefinitely.

Huge blow to a young secondary. Other rumors, but length of suspension will depend on team rules violation or something else (agent)...we'll see.

it appears a junior staffer lent him money. The staffer has been put on leave but you have to think the damage is done. Having an athletic dept employee directly give him money (loan or not) pretty much means they'll vacate the games year to date. Sad way to dethrone the Bama machine.I don't know how to imbed links any more: http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/report_alabama_assistant_stren.html

Whoa pre....not saying you're wrong yet, but some compliance 'experts' don't think the school will be punished, because they investigated and suspended when they discovered:http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/ncaa_compliance_expert_says_cl.html

There are examples of the NCAA laying off schools if they react quickly....OSU (before Tressel was busted) for one.

Clinton-Dix was at practice today....a positive sign I think.

Still don't get it?? It's Alabama....they'll be fine.

Due to the compliance dept and processes...you're probably right. When that sucked, we got hammered....twice.

 

[Christo]

TOUCHDOWN CYCLONES!

 

[timschochet]

UCLA down 14-7. This is one of those trap games they could easily lose if they're not careful...

 

[wazoo11]

Really impressed with QB Travis Wilson from Utah.

Great game so far between Utah and UCLA.

 

[Christo]

That ball is out!

 

[Christo]

Weak Bull#### Call!

 

[Christo]

Clear fumble!

 

[Pipes]

Terrible call by the officials

 

[Christo]

F Texas. Didn't deserve that one.

 

[timschochet]

UCLA's offense completely shut down in the 2nd half. Despite Utah having thrown 4 interceptions, the score is tied, 24-24.

 

[Raider Nation]

F Texas. Didn't deserve that one.

http://deadspin.com/paul-rhoads-goes-on-rant-for-the-ages-after-officials-s-1441010090?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

 

[timschochet]

Whew. Bruins escape with the victory. 34-27. The score doesn't show it, but Utah played great defense. It went right down to the wire after the Utes got a very questionable (IMO) onside kick.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Hey Tim, what do you think of Hundley as an NFL prospect?

 

[Abraham]

Hey Tim, what do you think of Hundley as an NFL prospect?

I think he will go top 15, likely as qb3.

(Teddy, marriota, hundley, Jff, Murray, Boyd)

 

[The Commish]

Likely AA Safety HaHa Clinton-Dix from Alabama is suspended indefinitely.

Huge blow to a young secondary. Other rumors, but length of suspension will depend on team rules violation or something else (agent)...we'll see.

it appears a junior staffer lent him money. The staffer has been put on leave but you have to think the damage is done. Having an athletic dept employee directly give him money (loan or not) pretty much means they'll vacate the games year to date. Sad way to dethrone the Bama machine.I don't know how to imbed links any more: http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/report_alabama_assistant_stren.html

Whoa pre....not saying you're wrong yet, but some compliance 'experts' don't think the school will be punished, because they investigated and suspended when they discovered:http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2013/10/ncaa_compliance_expert_says_cl.html

There are examples of the NCAA laying off schools if they react quickly....OSU (before Tressel was busted) for one.

Clinton-Dix was at practice today....a positive sign I think.

Still don't get it?? It's Alabama....they'll be fine.

Due to the compliance dept and processes...you're probably right. When that sucked, we got hammered....twice.

But they don't suck now....again, they'll be fine. The NCAA isn't going to punish their NCAA darling.

 

[The Commish]

Stoops

While I agree, this year "SEC defense" label appears to mean very little with all the young defenses (especially compared to the recent past), that doesn't negate the defenses of the past. It's not hard to understand that an improvement in QB play coupled with a pretty good drop off on defense can lead to the results we've seen. This dude's pretty obsessed with the SEC for whatever reason. Was he shunned from a job or something?

 

[Guest]

Isn't this the very definition of "targeting"?

Mike Davis - Texas

 

[scottybo]

Isn't this the very definition of "targeting"?

Mike Davis - Texas

No

 

[ATC1]

F Texas. Didn't deserve that one.

http://deadspin.com/paul-rhoads-goes-on-rant-for-the-ages-after-officials-s-1441010090?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

That's awesome. I was ready for him to yell. "This is Iowa State!!"

 

[timschochet]

Hey Tim, what do you think of Hundley as an NFL prospect?

I think he will go top 15, likely as qb3.(Teddy, marriota, hundley, Jff, Murray, Boyd)

Agree with this. Of course I'm hoping he sticks around.

 

[Abraham]

Hey Tim, what do you think of Hundley as an NFL prospect?

I think he will go top 15, likely as qb3.(Teddy, marriota, hundley, Jff, Murray, Boyd)

Agree with this. Of course I'm hoping he sticks around.

As a note, while it's early I will not be the least bit shocked if the Browns use the Colts #1 on JFF which will perhaps be the most awesome match of player, fanbase, and existing team since Zack Randolph ended up on the Grizzlies.

 

[Guest]

Isn't this the very definition of "targeting"?

Mike Davis - Texas

No

bull ####

 

[The Commish]

Isn't this the very definition of "targeting"?

Mike Davis - Texas

No

bull ####

It's not Cheap shot?? Absolutely.