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*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (1 Viewer)

David Shaw on satellite camps :lol:

I have no opinion. It's never affected us. People do them, and people don't do them. We've got great attendance at the camps we have here. We get a lot of guys we want to come.

But I didn't like the way that a lot of people have put this as the SEC against Jim Harbaugh. That's not what this has been about. Conference by conference, this has been going on for three-plus years, since Jim was with the 49ers. This has been a battle. As a conference, we had a long discussion three years ago about what we were going to do about satellite camps.

I'm great with whatever college football says, because it doesn't affect us. It doesn't make sense for us to go hold a camp some place where there might be one person in the entire state that's eligible to get into Stanford.
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Two buddies got drunk and made a bet over who will have a better record at years-end: Tennessee or Ole Miss. 

Loser shaves his head. 

Our group of buddies have decided that everyone wins via entertainment value, here. 
 

 
The Commish said:
That's way to logical....the NCAA will never go for it unless the public beats them over the head with it.
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The sad part is that the MAC, CUSA, etc has good, entertaining football because of these kids and now that potential resource might dry up.

 
LAUNCH said:
Kirby's Law #SEC  FOI requests now 90 business days for UGA.  Plenty of time to hide the bodies.

http://deadspin.com/kirbys-law-will-make-it-harder-to-report-on-georgia-a-1770500372

Georgia Governor Nathan Deal signed into law yesterday legislation that will give state university athletic departments an unprecedented right to delay responding to open records requests.

The law is certainly welcomed by Kirby Smart, under whom the Bulldogs are ramping up spending (and will now be able to keep its spending secret for much longer). Smart visited the State Capitol to discuss the bill with lawmakers for four hours shortly before they passed it, and the chief of staff of one the bill’s co-sponsors said Smart was the prime mover behind the legislation.


“It’s a similar subject that, from what I understand, came to light through Kirby Smart at UGA,” Krause said. “It had to do with football teams or athletic departments that are recruiting people in state of Georgia. They had a (shorter) window where the documents were not yet public, but other states had 90 days.”



Georgia’s lieutenant governor said of the new law, “I hope it brings us a national championship.”
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So I don't know much about FOIA - but I do know its a federal law. 

States are allowed to dictate how they will respond to public information requests made under a federal law? What if the legislature gave the University 365 days? Or 5 years? All of that is acceptable under a federal law?

 
Nice quotes from Harbaugh in this article:

As Harbaugh tells SI : "The incompetence of the NCAA has reared its ugly head yet again."

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"I mean, what's it based on? A survey? There wasn't a lot of discussion or study. What are the facts? What are the perils and merits of making that decision? It just seemed lacking in that regard."

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Harbaugh points out the hypocrisy: "During the NCAA basketball tournament we discuss the term 'student-athlete' ad nauseam in promoting our governing institution and our member institutions. Then, when we have an opportunity to truly promote the 'student-athlete' with a concept shared by educators and football men from all backgrounds, our leadership goes into hiding.

"I suggest we drop the term 'student-athlete' for consistency.

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"It seems to be outrage by the SEC and ACC," Harbaugh says. "They power-brokered that out ... the image that comes to my mind is guys in a back room smoking cigars, doing what they perceive is best for them. It certainly isn't the best thing for the youngsters. It's not the best thing for the student-athletes."

Harbaugh saw Ole Miss coach Hugh Freeze say, "I'm away from my family enough, and I just did not want to go," and it did not sit well with him.

Says Harbaugh: "You've got a guy sitting in a big house, making $5 million a year, saying he does not want to sacrifice his time. That is not a kindred spirit to me. What most of these coaches are saying is they don't want to work harder."

 
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psychobillies said:
Didn't they put him on Gameday a few times?  
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Yeah....he's a regular now.  When I had first heard about him it was because of his "guests" on his show and was well before ESPN had him on.  I have no idea what people think of him outside the SEC.  It's apparent, the SEC loves him.  I don't think I've ever heard him contribute anything of any substance that would give me pause to think about a topic.  Of course, I don't watch him outside of when he's on ESPN with some sort of commentary.  Normally that time is spent defending all things SEC.  I don't know if that's just the way ESPN uses him or if that's how he really is.

 
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The Commish said:
Yeah....he's a regular now.  When I had first heard about him it was because of his "guests" on his show and was well before ESPN had him on.  I have no idea what people think of him outside the SEC.  It's apparent, the SEC loves him.  I don't think I've ever heard him contribute anything of any substance that would give me pause to think about a topic.  Of course, I don't watch him outside of when he's on ESPN with some sort of commentary.  Normally that time is spent defending all things SEC.  I don't know if that's just the way ESPN uses him or if that's how he really is.
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I can't stand him.   He makes my skin crawl and I find myself hoping that something heavy would fall on his head when he's on set. 

 
Spurrier on comparisons being made between him and Harbaugh.   :lol:

“I’ve not heard that — you’re the first one that’s told me that,” Spurrier said. “But [Harbaugh] is not afraid to do things different, I’ll give him that. I wasn’t afraid to do some things differently as well. But he follows the rules."

“He’s creating some noise, as they say. You do that and maybe the recruits want to come play for you. I think he’s an excellent recruiter. And that has proven out, so look for Michigan to become one of the best teams in the country in the future.”
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Say what you will about the guy, but it's always fun to hear the Les Miles perspective. 

Les Miles, LSU: In favor of ban"I really enjoyed the vote that ... suggested that by a very significant difference that the camp rule should stay intact and it shouldn't just be a free-for-all for camps. From being with your own teammates, from being with your own team and making sure that they're going to class and making sure they're doing the things that they're supposed to do, from extending the calendar. In other words, the calendar is set up so that you don't recruit during a specific time and rather than extend the calendar into that area based on recruiting to a camp and being at a camp off your campus in another state, I just think it's the right thing to do. I think it's good for our players, it's good for our coaches, I think it's good for college football. Every camp, every state in this country has camps within reach for these kids and I don't think there's any question that they can get to it without issue."

 
i think Les' last sentence is probably incorrect, but also shows that he's completely missing the point with respect to the criticisms that Leach and others are making. Notice how all of the people who are for the ban don't talk about anything other than their own program and nothing about what's best for prospective cfb players. Say what you will about Meyer but I really respect his response. 

 
Moe. said:
i think Les' last sentence is probably incorrect, but also shows that he's completely missing the point with respect to the criticisms that Leach and others are making. Notice how all of the people who are for the ban don't talk about anything other than their own program and nothing about what's best for prospective cfb players. Say what you will about Meyer but I really respect his response. 
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Meyer, Leach and Harbaugh aren't crusading on behalf of all the 1 an 2 star kids out there.  They're trying to do what's best for their programs.

 
I disagree. I can't really say it any better than Leach did in that article. 

Meyer's response is all about the smaller schools being able to come to their camp. He flat-out said they should reconsider that aspect of the ban. What part of his response has anything to do with Ohio State? 

 
There's no question all these guys for the camps are for them because they benefit their programs.  It's not either/or though like a lot want to think.  I think that's reflected in the responses from those who don't like the ban.  Yeah, it hurts them, but it also hurts (to a larger extent) the smaller schools.  Just about all of them have commented on that.  The NCAA has chopped of it's nose despite it's face once again and their rush to thwart :hophead:  has made them look stupid once again.

 
I have no idea why the ban had to include stuff about smaller schools coming to a bigger programs campus.  Doesn't seem like that was an issue for anyone.  The ban was intended to keep Harbaugh, and eventually others, from going to places like IMG Academy and setting up camps.  I agree that this was another ridiculous move by the NCAA.

 
psychobillies said:
I have no idea why the ban had to include stuff about smaller schools coming to a bigger programs campus.  Doesn't seem like that was an issue for anyone.  The ban was intended to keep Harbaugh, and eventually others, from going to places like IMG Academy and setting up camps.  I agree that this was another ridiculous move by the NCAA.
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I think it's pretty clear why they did what they did.  They needed to address the pleas form the SEC and ACC but do their best to make it not look like that's what they were doing.  Best part in all this is how the conferences voted against it even though the coaches saw it differently.

 
Finebaum's become unhinged :lol:

I decided to tune in yesterday to get a little better perspective of this guy.  Lots to mock, but this was the funniest moment for me:

"I will tell you what he is, and what will happen, he had a good first season, but he made fun of Hugh Freeze for wanting to spend time with his family, maybe Jim Harbaugh should actually spend some time working on special teams and he wouldn't have had the biggest special teams failure in college football history."
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He's probably correct if "college football history" doesn't go further back than 2013.  In short, I am sure he's loved by all those in the SEC...doesn't seem like many others take him too seriously.  Will be fun to watch him throw fits over Harbaugh for the rest of his career.  Seems like the kind of guy who will continue to talk about Harbaugh even after he's back in the NFL.  We'll see.

 
The Commish said:
Finebaum's become unhinged :lol:

I decided to tune in yesterday to get a little better perspective of this guy.  Lots to mock, but this was the funniest moment for me:

He's probably correct if "college football history" doesn't go further back than 2013.  In short, I am sure he's loved by all those in the SEC...doesn't seem like many others take him too seriously.  Will be fun to watch him throw fits over Harbaugh for the rest of his career.  Seems like the kind of guy who will continue to talk about Harbaugh even after he's back in the NFL.  We'll see.
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So ridiculous.  Did he mention Kick 6?  Of course not.  He is not loved by anybody outside of Tuscaloosa.   I think his resume literally just said "world's biggest Bama fan", and they gave him a show. 

 
psychobillies said:
I have no idea why the ban had to include stuff about smaller schools coming to a bigger programs campus.  Doesn't seem like that was an issue for anyone.  The ban was intended to keep Harbaugh, and eventually others, from going to places like IMG Academy and setting up camps.  I agree that this was another ridiculous move by the NCAA.
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Agree...it seems like coaches are being asked about the Harbaugh piece of it too, and are being framed as the big bully keeping the little schools down. Were the conference decision makers even aware of that consequence?  

 
psychobillies said:
So ridiculous.  Did he mention Kick 6?  Of course not.  He is not loved by anybody outside of Tuscaloosa.   I think his resume literally just said "world's biggest Bama fan", and they gave him a show. 
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Bama fans don't normally like him either.  He attacks where ratings dictate, and right now thats Harbaugh and his invasion of territory.

 
The Commish said:
The NCAA collective is drunk....has to be.

Link

How many schools have former players on their staff as a coach?  
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Wait what?  South Carolina can't put Lattimore on staff?  Harbaugh went to Michigan and is paid by them now.  GT has had former players on staff before.  Most schools probably have.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The Commish said:
The NCAA collective is drunk....has to be.

Link

How many schools have former players on their staff as a coach?  
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Wait what?  South Carolina can't put Lattimore on staff?  Harbaugh went to Michigan and is paid by them now.  GT has had former players on staff before.  Most schools probably have.
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The NCAA has stated that Lattimore cannot join Will Muschamp’s staff at USC due to Lattimore’s status as a former player and his presence through football camps and foundation. The NCAA considers it an unfair recruiting advantage.
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And Michigan has more than just Harbaugh on staff and in the organization.  As I said before, the NCAA is drunk...idiots.

 
Slapdash said:
Apparently he would be allowed to be a coach, but not on the staff in another role. 
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I was talking to a buddy of mine in Columbia and there may be more to the situation than what we've read here.  Apparently Lattimore has a foundation (or is starting a foundation) or some such that helps kids progress physically in football.  I am guessing it's similar to personal trainer/educator type of thing but on a much larger scale and, in a lot of cases, free to the kids who can't afford the personal trainers etc.  The NCAA may be saying that he can't run that foundation/business as well as be employed by the athletic department.  Still trying to understand the details, but something like this would make a whole lot more sense than what was initially reported.

 
Yeah seeing a few national guys talking about that now on Twitter. Seems to make sense. 

Dan Wolken ‏@DanWolken

Take the name Marcus Lattimore out of it and just say: Should a non-recruiting football staffer be allowed to hold football camps? Uh, no.
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The Commish said:
I was talking to a buddy of mine in Columbia and there may be more to the situation than what we've read here.  Apparently Lattimore has a foundation (or is starting a foundation) or some such that helps kids progress physically in football.  I am guessing it's similar to personal trainer/educator type of thing but on a much larger scale and, in a lot of cases, free to the kids who can't afford the personal trainers etc.  The NCAA may be saying that he can't run that foundation/business as well as be employed by the athletic department.  Still trying to understand the details, but something like this would make a whole lot more sense than what was initially reported.
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Marcus:

“To clarify the situation concerning the NCAA, I will not be working for USC athletics. I have a non-profit (The Marcus Lattimore Foundation) that caters directly to student-athletes. I have a business (football camps) that focuses on the sports performance element of athletes with plans of opening a facility in the upstate. I also work with a few companies that directly help our youth in this great state. I was not aware of the compliance issues that would arise with me taking a position in athletics. I was honored when coach Muschamp offered me a position and I will always be around when the guys in that locker room need me. Although I would love to be a part of the new era of Gamecock football, I have to honor my commitment to our youth. The NCAA ruling is fair and I will fully comply. Thanks to everyone for your continued support. God bless!”

 
Slapdash said:
The Commish said:
I was talking to a buddy of mine in Columbia and there may be more to the situation than what we've read here.  Apparently Lattimore has a foundation (or is starting a foundation) or some such that helps kids progress physically in football.  I am guessing it's similar to personal trainer/educator type of thing but on a much larger scale and, in a lot of cases, free to the kids who can't afford the personal trainers etc.  The NCAA may be saying that he can't run that foundation/business as well as be employed by the athletic department.  Still trying to understand the details, but something like this would make a whole lot more sense than what was initially reported.
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Marcus:

“To clarify the situation concerning the NCAA, I will not be working for USC athletics. I have a non-profit (The Marcus Lattimore Foundation) that caters directly to student-athletes. I have a business (football camps) that focuses on the sports performance element of athletes with plans of opening a facility in the upstate. I also work with a few companies that directly help our youth in this great state. I was not aware of the compliance issues that would arise with me taking a position in athletics. I was honored when coach Muschamp offered me a position and I will always be around when the guys in that locker room need me. Although I would love to be a part of the new era of Gamecock football, I have to honor my commitment to our youth. The NCAA ruling is fair and I will fully comply. Thanks to everyone for your continued support. God bless!”
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Well there you have it :thumbup:

 
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