**Official** 2015 Washington Redskins Thread YOU LIKE THAT! (1 Viewer)

[dgreen]

And I've never considered Galdi to be bad. I actually enjoy him and have heard him call out Czabe or Cooley a few times.

 

[Sebowski]

Czabe is completely unlistenable, imo.

 

[MattFancy]

And I've never considered Galdi to be bad. I actually enjoy him and have heard him call out Czabe or Cooley a few times.

I didn't used to mind Galdi, but he rarely ever (or at least from what I've heard) seems to question Cooley. Whenever Czabe says something a little out there, Galdi is quick to question it. But when Cooley does it, Galdi just takes it as truth because Cooley said it.

Czabe is completely unlistenable, imo.

I'm not a Czabe fan by any means, but of the 3, he's lately been the most level headed. Yesterday, Cooley and Galdi were ready to throw a parade for this team for being in 1st place right now. Czabe was trying to say how there's still 5 weeks left and anything could happen. All Cooley and Gladi did was bash him.

 

[MikeApf]

I think what Cooley misses out on is comparing Cousins to other QBs. He simply looks at Cousins and determines whether he thinks Cousins is playing well. But, really, it's more about how he compares to other QBs. "Good", "Great", "Average", "Bad" are all based on what else is out there at the time. What Cousins is doing now may compare well to, say, QB performances 10 or 15 years ago. I would certainly have taken 2015 Cousins production on my team in the early 90s. But, the game changes. For example, Cousins has a 91.7 quarterback rating this season. That sounds awesome based on the NFL I grew up watching. However, that's only good for 17th right now. (I'm not saying rating is the greatest stat; just using it as an example. As I posted in the Cousins thread a couple weeks ago, he ranks in the average or below average neighborhood on other stats like Y/A, AY/A, etc.)

Statistically, I'd say Cousins is an average QB, at best, in today's NFL. The most encouraging thing, I think, about him right now is that he no longer craps the bed. That's a step in the right direction. Interestingly, Football Outsiders - who probably do some of the best football statistical work and take game situations into account - have Cousins 10th in DYAR and 12th in DVOA. Those are a bit higher than I'd expect, but I certainly respect their work more than others.

He's had his moments. He might develop more and become a top 10 QB. He might not. Cooley believes in him. Others do not.

I think this is a very fair analysis. Cousins is basically an average QB. Therefore, I think Shanahan saying he's Top 10 or Cooley basically putting him in the HOF is way overboard and in fact, I'd argue that they are not doing Cousins any favors by raising expectations to unfair levels.

But I also think that having an "average QB" is more valuable in the NFL than sometimes we may think. The NFL only has a limited number of elite "franchise" guys and you can't just go out and pick them up off the streets. Additionally, if you draft a guy with any pick below, say # 5, it's hit or miss -- and sometimes it's even hit or miss in the top 5. So when fans say, "Cousins is average" there is the danger that we think we can just jettison and replace him easily, but I don't think that is the case. I'm sorry; Aaron Rodgers is just not looking to sign with Washington next year. However, Matt Cassell may be more than happy to step in as the Redskins starter.

So you have to look at it like this: what are your available options -- and how does Cousins stack up against those options. If -- and it's a big if -- if Cousins can limit his Interceptions as he has done the last 5 weeks, then I think he is indeed our best option NEXT YEAR. I'm handicapping him a bit higher because he knows the other players, coaches, etc. and that really means something -- it is clear that the team is playing for him. Now, if we want to draft a young guy and bring him along, I'm ok with that of course. I'm not one of these people who think that QBs should not face competition.

In other words, we say "average" like it's a bad thing. If you are an average HS QB you are not special. But if you are an average NFL QB you are still a valuable commodity because in this QB-scarce league there are a lot of BELOW AVERAGE guys starting.

But yeah, Cooley and Shanny acting like he's HOF already...they are just rubes. Note that Cousins is not saying that about himself...nor should he.

 

[Sebowski]

Agree with Mike and Darrel. I also want to take fatness' approach of let's just wait and see a few more weeks. No need to worry about it right now. Too many scenarios can happen. I will say though that trouble can befall a team that overpays an average QB. And there is always a market for one.

 

[Marvelous]

I think what Cooley misses out on is comparing Cousins to other QBs. He simply looks at Cousins and determines whether he thinks Cousins is playing well. But, really, it's more about how he compares to other QBs. "Good", "Great", "Average", "Bad" are all based on what else is out there at the time. What Cousins is doing now may compare well to, say, QB performances 10 or 15 years ago. I would certainly have taken 2015 Cousins production on my team in the early 90s. But, the game changes. For example, Cousins has a 91.7 quarterback rating this season. That sounds awesome based on the NFL I grew up watching. However, that's only good for 17th right now. (I'm not saying rating is the greatest stat; just using it as an example. As I posted in the Cousins thread a couple weeks ago, he ranks in the average or below average neighborhood on other stats like Y/A, AY/A, etc.)

Statistically, I'd say Cousins is an average QB, at best, in today's NFL. The most encouraging thing, I think, about him right now is that he no longer craps the bed. That's a step in the right direction. Interestingly, Football Outsiders - who probably do some of the best football statistical work and take game situations into account - have Cousins 10th in DYAR and 12th in DVOA. Those are a bit higher than I'd expect, but I certainly respect their work more than others.

He's had his moments. He might develop more and become a top 10 QB. He might not. Cooley believes in him. Others do not.

I think this is a very fair analysis. Cousins is basically an average QB. Therefore, I think Shanahan saying he's Top 10 or Cooley basically putting him in the HOF is way overboard and in fact, I'd argue that they are not doing Cousins any favors by raising expectations to unfair levels.

But I also think that having an "average QB" is more valuable in the NFL than sometimes we may think. The NFL only has a limited number of elite "franchise" guys and you can't just go out and pick them up off the streets. Additionally, if you draft a guy with any pick below, say # 5, it's hit or miss -- and sometimes it's even hit or miss in the top 5. So when fans say, "Cousins is average" there is the danger that we think we can just jettison and replace him easily, but I don't think that is the case. I'm sorry; Aaron Rodgers is just not looking to sign with Washington next year. However, Matt Cassell may be more than happy to step in as the Redskins starter.

So you have to look at it like this: what are your available options -- and how does Cousins stack up against those options. If -- and it's a big if -- if Cousins can limit his Interceptions as he has done the last 5 weeks, then I think he is indeed our best option NEXT YEAR. I'm handicapping him a bit higher because he knows the other players, coaches, etc. and that really means something -- it is clear that the team is playing for him. Now, if we want to draft a young guy and bring him along, I'm ok with that of course. I'm not one of these people who think that QBs should not face competition.

In other words, we say "average" like it's a bad thing. If you are an average HS QB you are not special. But if you are an average NFL QB you are still a valuable commodity because in this QB-scarce league there are a lot of BELOW AVERAGE guys starting.

But yeah, Cooley and Shanny acting like he's HOF already...they are just rubes. Note that Cousins is not saying that about himself...nor should he.

Once again, average is looking really good right now. Who would have thought that Cousins would be an average QB when they anointed him the starting QB?

One more thought on average. Average gives you a 7-7 record after 14 weeks. This puts you in the wild card race most years. This year, with a weak division, you can be playing for a division title. Average is not a bad place to be. It is where half of the teams in the NFL are. And it is a place the Redskins have not been in for a long time except for a couple of aberration years.

 

[tangfoot]

I think what Cooley misses out on is comparing Cousins to other QBs. He simply looks at Cousins and determines whether he thinks Cousins is playing well. But, really, it's more about how he compares to other QBs. "Good", "Great", "Average", "Bad" are all based on what else is out there at the time. What Cousins is doing now may compare well to, say, QB performances 10 or 15 years ago. I would certainly have taken 2015 Cousins production on my team in the early 90s. But, the game changes. For example, Cousins has a 91.7 quarterback rating this season. That sounds awesome based on the NFL I grew up watching. However, that's only good for 17th right now. (I'm not saying rating is the greatest stat; just using it as an example. As I posted in the Cousins thread a couple weeks ago, he ranks in the average or below average neighborhood on other stats like Y/A, AY/A, etc.)

Statistically, I'd say Cousins is an average QB, at best, in today's NFL. The most encouraging thing, I think, about him right now is that he no longer craps the bed. That's a step in the right direction. Interestingly, Football Outsiders - who probably do some of the best football statistical work and take game situations into account - have Cousins 10th in DYAR and 12th in DVOA. Those are a bit higher than I'd expect, but I certainly respect their work more than others.

He's had his moments. He might develop more and become a top 10 QB. He might not. Cooley believes in him. Others do not.

I think this is a very fair analysis. Cousins is basically an average QB. Therefore, I think Shanahan saying he's Top 10 or Cooley basically putting him in the HOF is way overboard and in fact, I'd argue that they are not doing Cousins any favors by raising expectations to unfair levels.

But I also think that having an "average QB" is more valuable in the NFL than sometimes we may think. The NFL only has a limited number of elite "franchise" guys and you can't just go out and pick them up off the streets. Additionally, if you draft a guy with any pick below, say # 5, it's hit or miss -- and sometimes it's even hit or miss in the top 5. So when fans say, "Cousins is average" there is the danger that we think we can just jettison and replace him easily, but I don't think that is the case. I'm sorry; Aaron Rodgers is just not looking to sign with Washington next year. However, Matt Cassell may be more than happy to step in as the Redskins starter.

So you have to look at it like this: what are your available options -- and how does Cousins stack up against those options. If -- and it's a big if -- if Cousins can limit his Interceptions as he has done the last 5 weeks, then I think he is indeed our best option NEXT YEAR. I'm handicapping him a bit higher because he knows the other players, coaches, etc. and that really means something -- it is clear that the team is playing for him. Now, if we want to draft a young guy and bring him along, I'm ok with that of course. I'm not one of these people who think that QBs should not face competition.

In other words, we say "average" like it's a bad thing. If you are an average HS QB you are not special. But if you are an average NFL QB you are still a valuable commodity because in this QB-scarce league there are a lot of BELOW AVERAGE guys starting.

But yeah, Cooley and Shanny acting like he's HOF already...they are just rubes. Note that Cousins is not saying that about himself...nor should he.

Once again, average is looking really good right now. Who would have thought that Cousins would be an average QB when they anointed him the starting QB?

One more thought on average. Average gives you a 7-7 record after 14 weeks. This puts you in the wild card race most years. This year, with a weak division, you can be playing for a division title. Average is not a bad place to be. It is where half of the teams in the NFL are. And it is a place the Redskins have not been in for a long time except for a couple of aberration years.

I vehemently disagree with the bolded sentence.

 

[dgreen]

To be clear, I'm saying Cousins has provided average production. I think that's different than saying he's an average QB. I think it's certainly possible that Cousins has provided average production while being an above average QB (or at least projecting/trending towards a top QB). Short term production (1 season or less) isn't always a perfect reflection of individual ability/potential.

Also, I agree that average is just fine right now. We've been saying for a while that we'd love to have average QB play.

Just to see where people are on Cousins, which of these QBs do you like LESS than Kirk for the next 3 seasons (2016-2018):

Jay Cutler

Eli Manning

Jameis Winston

Tyrod Taylor

Marcus Mariota

Matt Stafford

Ryan Tannehill

Blake Bortles

Teddy Bridgewater

 

[tangfoot]

To be clear, I'm saying Cousins has provided average production. I think that's different than saying he's an average QB. I think it's certainly possible that Cousins has provided average production while being an above average QB (or at least projecting/trending towards a top QB). Short term production (1 season or less) isn't always a perfect reflection of individual ability/potential.

Also, I agree that average is just fine right now. We've been saying for a while that we'd love to have average QB play.

Just to see where people are on Cousins, which of these QBs do you like LESS than Kirk for the next 3 seasons (2016-2018):

Jay Cutler

Eli Manning

Jameis Winston

Tyrod Taylor

Marcus Mariota

Matt Stafford

Ryan Tannehill

Blake Bortles

Teddy Bridgewater

Taylor only. I'd rather have every one of those other guys over Cousins going forward 3-5 years.

 

[MikeApf]

To be clear, I'm saying Cousins has provided average production. I think that's different than saying he's an average QB. I think it's certainly possible that Cousins has provided average production while being an above average QB (or at least projecting/trending towards a top QB). Short term production (1 season or less) isn't always a perfect reflection of individual ability/potential.

Also, I agree that average is just fine right now. We've been saying for a while that we'd love to have average QB play.

Just to see where people are on Cousins, which of these QBs do you like LESS than Kirk for the next 3 seasons (2016-2018):

Jay Cutler -- like Cousins more than Cuter right NOW though when he was younger would have preferred Cutler. Of note: Cousins WITHOUT turnovers I like more than Cutler; Cutler's INTS bother me though

Eli Manning -- like Eli better in short term.

Jameis Winston -- I'm on the fence here. He has monster upside but will it last? 50/50

Tyrod Taylor -- I like Cousins more. I think Taylor is fine but in my limited time watching him am not overimpressed with his accuracy.

Marcus Mariota -- Mariota probably has more upside

Matt Stafford -- Stafford is probably better.

Ryan Tannehill -- I think Cousins has potential to be better than Tannehill

Blake Bortles -- I think Cousins has potential to be better than Bortles

Teddy Bridgewater -- I'd prefer Bridgewater right now

Let's see...that's 4 for Cousins, 4 for the Other Guy, and 1 Tie.

How is that for waffling!

 

[MattFancy]

Cutler: Think they're probably about even. Both turnover prone and can make bonehead passes. Cousins is younger, but Cutler has had more success obviously. Toss up

Manning: Slight edge to Eli since he's been successful before

Winston: Looks legit and would definitely take him over Cousins

Taylor: Rather have Cousins

Mariota: Has flashed potential and is younger than Cousins

Tannehill: Another toss up. Both about the same age and are prone to turnovers. Toss up

Bortles: Has played well this year and looks to be improving.

Bridgewater: Uneven play for most of the season. Has shown potential, but I'm not so sure he'll live up to it.

Basically, out of all those guys, I'd for sure take Cousins over Taylor. Would probably take him over Tannehill and Cutler. Would take the rest over Cousins.

I see Cousins as a middle of the road NFL QB. That's great for us considering what we've seen from the QB position over the last 15+ years. But I'm not going to say he's our answer. We saw RG3 have a great rookie season and then it all fell apart. I don't think Cousins will hit the floor that RG3 did, but I don't think his ceiling is as high as RG3's either. Cousins can definitely hold down the fort until we figure out what we really have in him, but I don't think 10 years from now he'll be our starter.

 

[fatness]

I don't know why any of you both to listen to a Dan Snyder owned station for information about the Redskins. Way too biased. The Fan has its flaws, but I strongly prefer it because they won't sugar coat everything.

I'd listen to the fan but I'm on the outer fringes of ESPN980's broadcast range and can't get the fan at all in my car.

 

[fatness]

Just to see where people are on Cousins, which of these QBs do you like LESS than Kirk for the next 3 seasons (2016-2018):

Jay Cutler

Eli Manning

Jameis Winston

Tyrod Taylor

Marcus Mariota

Matt Stafford

Ryan Tannehill

Blake Bortles

Teddy Bridgewater

Jay Cutler LESS

Eli Manning MORE

Jameis Winston MORE

Tyrod Taylor ????

Marcus Mariota MORE

Matt Stafford LESS

Ryan Tannehill EQUAL

Blake Bortles MORE

Teddy Bridgewater MORE

I haven't seen any of Taylor's games so I have no clue about him. I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler. Tannehill is so up and down it's hard to say. On that list I think Winston is the cream of the crop and Tampa Bay is very lucky they have him.

 

[fatness]

Redskins now have 47.7% chance of making the playoffs according to http://makeNFLplayoffs.com . Up from 25.3% last week.

I don't think any of us think they have that high a chance of making the playoffs. We've watched the Skins and seen them beat themselves too many times. We're gun-shy.

Here's more:

NFC East – Remaining Strength of Schedule

WAS .363

DAL .509

NYG .600

PHI .618

Perfect setup to win the division. Perfect setup to crap the bed.

 

[MikeApf]

Redskins now have 47.7% chance of making the playoffs according to http://makeNFLplayoffs.com . Up from 25.3% last week.

I don't think any of us think they have that high a chance of making the playoffs. We've watched the Skins and seen them beat themselves too many times. We're gun-shy.

Here's more:

NFC East – Remaining Strength of Schedule

WAS .363

DAL .509

NYG .600

PHI .618

Perfect setup to win the division. Perfect setup to crap the bed.

Dude, that's Redskins last 20 years in a nut shell...

 

[dgreen]

I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler.

Stafford is only 5 months older than Cousins.

 

[jurb26]

Just to see where people are on Cousins, which of these QBs do you like LESS than Kirk for the next 3 seasons (2016-2018):

Jay Cutler

Eli Manning

Jameis Winston

Tyrod Taylor

Marcus Mariota

Matt Stafford

Ryan Tannehill

Blake Bortles

Teddy Bridgewater

Jay Cutler - LessEli Manning - More

Jameis Winston - More

Tyrod Taylor - Less

Marcus Mariota - More

Matt Stafford - More

Ryan Tannehill - Unsure

Blake Bortles - More

Teddy Bridgewater - Unsure

 

[MattFancy]

I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler.

Stafford is only 5 months older than Cousins.

I think alot of people forget that Cousins is 27 and will be 28 at the start of next season.

 

[jurb26]

I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler.

Stafford is only 5 months older than Cousins.

I think alot of people forget that Cousins is 27 and will be 28 at the start of next season.

People also seem to forget how young Stafford is and how young he was when he entered the NFL.

 

[MattFancy]

I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler.

Stafford is only 5 months older than Cousins.

I think alot of people forget that Cousins is 27 and will be 28 at the start of next season.

People also seem to forget how young Stafford is and how young he was when he entered the NFL.

Yup. Stafford has been around awhile, but isn't as old as you think. I'm not saying he's better, but just as many people forget RG3 is only 25.

 

[Marvelous]

Redskins now have 47.7% chance of making the playoffs according to http://makeNFLplayoffs.com . Up from 25.3% last week.

I don't think any of us think they have that high a chance of making the playoffs. We've watched the Skins and seen them beat themselves too many times. We're gun-shy.

Here's more:

NFC East – Remaining Strength of Schedule

WAS .363

DAL .509

NYG .600

PHI .618

Perfect setup to win the division. Perfect setup to crap the bed.

Dude, that's Redskins last 20 years in a nut shell...

The Redskins' strength of schedule looks easy since we still play Dallas twice and the Eagles once. Dallas will have a harder strength of schedule because they have to play the mighty Redskins twice.

On a more serious note, the Eagles are one game back and still have to play the Patriots and Cardinals. They will most likely eliminate them from the playoffs.

The Cowboys are two games back. They don't have any killer teams on the schedule, but losing one of the games to the Redskins will probably knock them out of playoff contention.

The Giants are 5-6 like the Redskins and still have to play Carolina. If they lose one other game (with games against the Jets and Minnesota), they finish 8-8.

If the Redskins can win 2 out of 3 against the Cowboys and Eagles, and split between Chicago and Buffalo, I think they win the division. The tie breakers all fall in the Redskins favor.

 

[dhockster]

Redskins now have 47.7% chance of making the playoffs according to http://makeNFLplayoffs.com .Up from 25.3% last week.

I don't think any of us think they have that high a chance of making the playoffs. We've watched the Skins and seen them beat themselves too many times. We're gun-shy.

Here's more:

NFC East – Remaining Strength of Schedule

WAS .363

DAL .509

NYG .600

PHI .618

Perfect setup to win the division. Perfect setup to crap the bed.

Dude, that's Redskins last 20 years in a nut shell...

How has that usually played out.....?

JK, I actually think the Redskins have a good chance to win the division at this point.

 

[GoBirds]

I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler.

Stafford is only 5 months older than Cousins.

Wow, didn't know that.

 

[Sebowski]

Just to see where people are on Cousins, which of these QBs do you like LESS than Kirk for the next 3 seasons (2016-2018):

Jay Cutler

Eli Manning

Jameis Winston

Tyrod Taylor

Marcus Mariota

Matt Stafford

Ryan Tannehill

Blake Bortles

Teddy Bridgewater

Jay Cutler - More

Eli Manning - Less (seriously people? #### that guy. He sucks)

Jameis Winston - Less

Tyrod Taylor - Have ever seen him play

Marcus Mariota - More

Matt Stafford - More (slam dunk here. Not even close)

Ryan Tannehill - Less

Blake Bortles - Less

Teddy Bridgewater - More

So i'm 4-4 1 tie as well.

 

[MikeApf]

Redskins now have 47.7% chance of making the playoffs according to http://makeNFLplayoffs.com .Up from 25.3% last week.

I don't think any of us think they have that high a chance of making the playoffs. We've watched the Skins and seen them beat themselves too many times. We're gun-shy.

Here's more:

NFC East – Remaining Strength of Schedule

WAS .363

DAL .509

NYG .600

PHI .618

Perfect setup to win the division. Perfect setup to crap the bed.

Dude, that's Redskins last 20 years in a nut shell...

How has that usually played out.....?

JK, I actually think the Redskins have a good chance to win the division at this point.

Yeah, we both know how it's worked out.

My head tells me the Redskins have an excellent chance of winning the division.

My heart is extremely worried that they completely blow it. But that's how we Skins fans have been conditioned. 19 seconds to go last game, I fully expected the Giants to pull off the miracle...

That said, I'm enough of a fool to keep getting my hopes up.

 

[Sebowski]

One game at a time people. We Want Dallas.

 

[MattFancy]

I just made a terrible mistake. Went back to watch old highlights against the Cowboys. Came across the 2012 game. Man, what could have been.

 

[fatness]

I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler.

Stafford is only 5 months older than Cousins.

In football time he's an aging vet. He's been playing since 2009 and his passing yardage keeps going down. In my opinion he's in decline already. I understand that others may differ.

 

[fatness]

One game at a time people. We Want Dallas.

I really wish it was not on Monday night. Bad things happen to the Skins in late games.

And I'm concerned about their habit of following a good game with a bad one.

 

[Sebowski]

One game at a time people. We Want Dallas.

I really wish it was not on Monday night. Bad things happen to the Skins in late games.

And I'm concerned about their habit of following a good game with a bad one.

Yup. Lots to go wrong. That's what we're conditioned for. It will take a lot to reverse that. Let's try to get that process started ASAP.

 

[jurb26]

I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler.

Stafford is only 5 months older than Cousins.

In football time he's an aging vet. He's been playing since 2009 and his passing yardage keeps going down. In my opinion he's in decline already. I understand that others may differ.

In football time he's pretty much the opposite of an aging vet. He's a 27 year old QB. His QBR has improved in each of the last 3 years as well. If you don't like him, fine. No need to make up silly points to back it.

 

[fatness]

I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler.

Stafford is only 5 months older than Cousins.

In football time he's an aging vet. He's been playing since 2009 and his passing yardage keeps going down. In my opinion he's in decline already. I understand that others may differ.

In football time he's pretty much the opposite of an aging vet. He's a 27 year old QB. His QBR has improved in each of the last 3 years as well.If you don't like him, fine. No need to make up silly points to back it.

Sorry your day's starting off so bad.

 

[fatness]

Morris has at least 15 carries in every win this year except Tampa. I hope he has over 20 on Monday.

 

[fatness]

It wasn't just radio announcers who went overboard in their assessment of the Skins after the Saints game.

"Multiple players admitted that following their blowout victory over the Saints, they became complacent. They thought they were better than they were, and so, they went down to Charlotte and wet the bed."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/12/02/five-questions-facing-the-redskins-as-they-prepare-for-the-cowboys/

 

[fatness]

Neither the Skins nor Cousins's agent are in a hurry to get a new deal done.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/12/01/redskins-mailbag-the-future-for-cousins-garcon-and-how-riley-dunbar-improved/

 

[fatness]

With two holding penalties and an offensive pass interference call on Sunday, Reed saw his tally for the season increase to 10 – which is tied for first on the team with right tackle Morgan Moses.

Reed has now been called for holding six times this season, and offensive pass interference three times. He also has a penalty for illegal touching. Reed’s penalties have nullified 93 yards, which leads the team by a large margin. (Left tackle Trent Williams’s 32 nullified yards rank second).

Reed leads the Redskins with 55 catches for 541 yards and six touchdowns. His 220 yards after the catch also rank first on the team, and his 31 first down receptions are tied with Pierre Garcon for first.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/11/30/jay-gruden-jordan-reed-must-work-on-blocking-technique-to-cut-down-on-penalties/

 

[MattFancy]

And to think we were all so worried about TE coming into the season. I know Reed missed 2 games, but he's been one of, if not our best, offensive players this year.

 

[jurb26]

I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler.

Stafford is only 5 months older than Cousins.

In football time he's an aging vet. He's been playing since 2009 and his passing yardage keeps going down. In my opinion he's in decline already. I understand that others may differ.

In football time he's pretty much the opposite of an aging vet. He's a 27 year old QB. His QBR has improved in each of the last 3 years as well.If you don't like him, fine. No need to make up silly points to back it.

Sorry your day's starting off so bad.

When you have information, no day is bad. Pretty much none out there supports your claim. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1683775-when-does-age-catch-up-to-nfl-players

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/06/05/age-of-decline-qb/

http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2011/08/how-quarterbacks-age.html

 

[fatness]

More about the players-only meeting.

So where’s the frustration in that? Because maybe — with Washington toggling back and forth between historical dominance and historical ineptitude — such a session should have been held earlier in this most erratic of seasons.

“We should have had that meeting a while ago,” Blackmon said. “It was long overdue.”

The meeting followed another similar one earlier in the week, and also what some players described as the best and most intense practice week of the season. Players said they monitored each other’s mistakes and effort during practice, that there were more dust-ups and fiery words than during a typical week, and that the vibe felt more like training camp than Thanksgiving week. One player said the atmosphere was “intense.” Another described the entire roster as “on edge.”

“If you ain’t running the ball hard enough, then somebody’s going to say something to you,” Baker said. “If you have a missed assignment, somebody will say something to you.”

 

[fatness]

I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler.

Stafford is only 5 months older than Cousins.

In football time he's an aging vet. He's been playing since 2009 and his passing yardage keeps going down. In my opinion he's in decline already. I understand that others may differ.

In football time he's pretty much the opposite of an aging vet. He's a 27 year old QB. His QBR has improved in each of the last 3 years as well.If you don't like him, fine. No need to make up silly points to back it.

Sorry your day's starting off so bad.

When you have information, no day is bad. Pretty much none out there supports your claim.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1683775-when-does-age-catch-up-to-nfl-players

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/06/05/age-of-decline-qb/

http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2011/08/how-quarterbacks-age.html

"He's been playing since 2009 and his passing yardage keeps going down."

I don't think I'm wrong about that.

http://www.nfl.com/player/matthewstafford/79860/profile

"In my opinion he's in decline already."

That's an opinion.

Not sure why you're so worked up. What silly points did I make up?

 

[MikeApf]

Morris has at least 15 carries in every win this year except Tampa. I hope he has over 20 on Monday.

Great stat! It has been the observation of many in this thread that we need to give Morris more carries...and I think this stat backs it up.

I know Gruden likes Jones because he is a "home run threat," but he needs to manage the number of his carries until he gets his fumble problem under control. I'm not saying get rid of Jones..but no reason Morris shouldn't continue to be the lead back for now...

 

[jurb26]

I don't want an average fading vet like Stafford or Cutler.

Stafford is only 5 months older than Cousins.

In football time he's an aging vet. He's been playing since 2009 and his passing yardage keeps going down. In my opinion he's in decline already. I understand that others may differ.

In football time he's pretty much the opposite of an aging vet. He's a 27 year old QB. His QBR has improved in each of the last 3 years as well.If you don't like him, fine. No need to make up silly points to back it.

Sorry your day's starting off so bad.

When you have information, no day is bad. Pretty much none out there supports your claim.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1683775-when-does-age-catch-up-to-nfl-playershttps://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/06/05/age-of-decline-qb/http://archive.advancedfootballanalytics.com/2011/08/how-quarterbacks-age.html

"He's been playing since 2009 and his passing yardage keeps going down."I don't think I'm wrong about that.

http://www.nfl.com/player/matthewstafford/79860/profile

"In my opinion he's in decline already."

That's an opinion.

Not sure why you're so worked up. What silly points did I make up?

I'm not debating your opinion. I actually said "if you don't like him, fine." I'm debating your claim about his age or the comments about football time. Again, if you don't like him as a player, fine. That's your opinion and we all have them. There are certainly reasons to not like him. Let's not pretend that his age is a problem, though. It in no way is and no evidence out there suggest it is.

BTW, he's on pace to pass for more yards this year than last. Does that suddenly make him not a "fading vet?"

He's actually on pace for his highest completion % of his career, 2nd highest TD passes & highest QBR in the last 5 years.

 

[MikeApf]

It wasn't just radio announcers who went overboard in their assessment of the Skins after the Saints game.

"Multiple players admitted that following their blowout victory over the Saints, they became complacent. They thought they were better than they were, and so, they went down to Charlotte and wet the bed."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/12/02/five-questions-facing-the-redskins-as-they-prepare-for-the-cowboys/

This is even more inexplicable than Harris saying the NYG overlooked the Redskins. How can a team that got rmanhandled by the Giants, Jets and Pats and also lost to the Dolphins and Falcons -- a team without a winning record mind you -- how can that team be complacent facing an UNDEFEATED CAROLINA team?

I'm actually fairly speechless that they would feel this way.

 

[MikeApf]

With two holding penalties and an offensive pass interference call on Sunday, Reed saw his tally for the season increase to 10 – which is tied for first on the team with right tackle Morgan Moses.

Reed has now been called for holding six times this season, and offensive pass interference three times. He also has a penalty for illegal touching. Reed’s penalties have nullified 93 yards, which leads the team by a large margin. (Left tackle Trent Williams’s 32 nullified yards rank second).

Reed leads the Redskins with 55 catches for 541 yards and six touchdowns. His 220 yards after the catch also rank first on the team, and his 31 first down receptions are tied with Pierre Garcon for first.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/11/30/jay-gruden-jordan-reed-must-work-on-blocking-technique-to-cut-down-on-penalties/

Basically, you could come up with a new side betting game while watching Redskins football.

What will happen first?

1. Reed holding

2. Jones fumble

3. Cousins interception

Place your bets now!

 

[MattFancy]

It wasn't just radio announcers who went overboard in their assessment of the Skins after the Saints game.

"Multiple players admitted that following their blowout victory over the Saints, they became complacent. They thought they were better than they were, and so, they went down to Charlotte and wet the bed."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/12/02/five-questions-facing-the-redskins-as-they-prepare-for-the-cowboys/

This is even more inexplicable than Harris saying the NYG overlooked the Redskins. How can a team that got rmanhandled by the Giants, Jets and Pats and also lost to the Dolphins and Falcons -- a team without a winning record mind you -- how can that team be complacent facing an UNDEFEATED CAROLINA team?

I'm actually fairly speechless that they would feel this way.

Yeah that's really, really stupid. So we blow out a fading Saints team and suddenly think we can go on the road and beat an undefeated Carolina team because we beat the Saints? Wow.

 

[MikeApf]

And to think we were all so worried about TE coming into the season. I know Reed missed 2 games, but he's been one of, if not our best, offensive players this year.

Reed is basically our lead option from a receiving standpoint.

I read and interesting article talking about what decisions the Redskins have to make regarding re-signing Wide Receivers. A lot of us talk about whether to re-sign DJAX but whether to re-sign Garcon at his current salary (is it like 11 M / year) is a serious question if we are not going to throw to him like a WR that catches 80-100 balls per year.

The article made the point that Garcon is only targeted like 6 times per game and if that's the case, then you can get someone else do to that for far cheaper than 11 M per year. It's kind of like with New ENgland, Gronkowski is actually much, much more important than their # 1 receiver. You get the sense that that is currently the case in Washington as welll

Meanwhile, DJax is also not targetted that much and also is pricely (9.5 M / year?) ...BUT DJax brings a dynamic to the offense that is totally different, taking the top of the defense and changing the entire complexion of the passing game. I haven't looked at the stats in detail, but pretty sure before DJax came back, Cousins had one of the lowest Yards per Completion numbers and since DJAX return it's gotten much, much better.

While a lot of eyes are on the QB signing in offseason, I actually think that's going to be fairly routine (I think they will drop Griffin and sign Cousins, unless we see Cousins revert to Rex Mode). Meanwhile, WR is going to be very interesting situation this offseason.

 

[jurb26]

And to think we were all so worried about TE coming into the season. I know Reed missed 2 games, but he's been one of, if not our best, offensive players this year.

Reed is basically our lead option from a receiving standpoint.I read and interesting article talking about what decisions the Redskins have to make regarding re-signing Wide Receivers. A lot of us talk about whether to re-sign DJAX but whether to re-sign Garcon at his current salary (is it like 11 M / year) is a serious question if we are not going to throw to him like a WR that catches 80-100 balls per year.

The article made the point that Garcon is only targeted like 6 times per game and if that's the case, then you can get someone else do to that for far cheaper than 11 M per year. It's kind of like with New ENgland, Gronkowski is actually much, much more important than their # 1 receiver. You get the sense that that is currently the case in Washington as welll

Meanwhile, DJax is also not targetted that much and also is pricely (9.5 M / year?) ...BUT DJax brings a dynamic to the offense that is totally different, taking the top of the defense and changing the entire complexion of the passing game. I haven't looked at the stats in detail, but pretty sure before DJax came back, Cousins had one of the lowest Yards per Completion numbers and since DJAX return it's gotten much, much better.

While a lot of eyes are on the QB signing in offseason, I actually think that's going to be fairly routine (I think they will drop Griffin and sign Cousins, unless we see Cousins revert to Rex Mode). Meanwhile, WR is going to be very interesting situation this offseason.

DJax cap hit doesn't change next year or in 17'. I'd think he is a must keep. His cap hit went up substantially this year. Garçon doesn't go up much, but he cost over $10M, a M more than DJax. Can't imagin he's worth keeping at that price.

Put another way. Garçon is the 15th highest paid WR while DJax is tied for the 23rd. Who'd you rather keep? Seems easy to me.

 

[MikeApf]

And to think we were all so worried about TE coming into the season. I know Reed missed 2 games, but he's been one of, if not our best, offensive players this year.

Reed is basically our lead option from a receiving standpoint.

I read and interesting article talking about what decisions the Redskins have to make regarding re-signing Wide Receivers. A lot of us talk about whether to re-sign DJAX but whether to re-sign Garcon at his current salary (is it like 11 M / year) is a serious question if we are not going to throw to him like a WR that catches 80-100 balls per year.

The article made the point that Garcon is only targeted like 6 times per game and if that's the case, then you can get someone else do to that for far cheaper than 11 M per year. It's kind of like with New ENgland, Gronkowski is actually much, much more important than their # 1 receiver. You get the sense that that is currently the case in Washington as welll

Meanwhile, DJax is also not targetted that much and also is pricely (9.5 M / year?) ...BUT DJax brings a dynamic to the offense that is totally different, taking the top of the defense and changing the entire complexion of the passing game. I haven't looked at the stats in detail, but pretty sure before DJax came back, Cousins had one of the lowest Yards per Completion numbers and since DJAX return it's gotten much, much better.

While a lot of eyes are on the QB signing in offseason, I actually think that's going to be fairly routine (I think they will drop Griffin and sign Cousins, unless we see Cousins revert to Rex Mode). Meanwhile, WR is going to be very interesting situation this offseason.

Here is that article...i think someone above already posted it:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/12/01/redskins-mailbag-the-future-for-cousins-garcon-and-how-riley-dunbar-improved/

I’m pretty sure that DeSean Jackson won’t be back, but is there any chance the team re-structures Pierre Garcon to bring him back? I think he’s got great chemistry with Kirk Cousins and is important to his development.

– Al Soumah​

It’s far too early to say for sure, but the Redskins do have decisions to make on both wide receivers because of their upcoming salaries.

It’s possible that the team looks to do something with Garcon’s contract. He’ll count for $10.2 million against the cap next season, but would have a dead cap hit of just $2.2 million. The team has to decide if they should let things stay the way they are, restructure him and save some money, or cut him and save even more ($8 million).

The only problem with this situation is the fact that the Redskins don’t use Garcon effectively. He’s a fierce competitor, and he gets open, but Jordan Reed is the team’s true No. 1 pass-catcher. The Redskins are paying Garcon like he’s the No. 1 ($11 million this year), but Jay Gruden and Sean McVay don’t feature him in their offense. They say repeatedly that they need to get him more involved, but nothing changes. Garcon is targeted an average of seven times a game, which is up by half a target over last season, but still far less than the 11.5 targets a game that he received under Kyle Shanahan in 2013, when he led the NFL in catches. Garcon has 49 catches for 508 yards and three touchdowns, which ranks second to Jordan Reed’s 55 for 541 and eight touchdowns. But he’s not used as a consistent go-to threat. Gruden and McVay don’t appear to game plan specifically for Garcon, moving him around and putting him in position to exploit mismatches. And most of his routes are short comeback routes as opposed to the diverse array of routes he ran under Shanahan.

So, if you’re Garcon, you might not want to restructure, so that way the team would cut you and let you capitalize on being in the prime of your career (he’s just 29). And if you’re the Redskins, although you respect him as a hard-working, professional example for your young guys, and if you’re not going to feature him, then why pay him $10 million? For Garcon to want to sign a restructured extension, he’d probably have to receive assurances that something was going to change in the offense.

 

[MikeApf]

And to think we were all so worried about TE coming into the season. I know Reed missed 2 games, but he's been one of, if not our best, offensive players this year.

Reed is basically our lead option from a receiving standpoint.I read and interesting article talking about what decisions the Redskins have to make regarding re-signing Wide Receivers. A lot of us talk about whether to re-sign DJAX but whether to re-sign Garcon at his current salary (is it like 11 M / year) is a serious question if we are not going to throw to him like a WR that catches 80-100 balls per year.

The article made the point that Garcon is only targeted like 6 times per game and if that's the case, then you can get someone else do to that for far cheaper than 11 M per year. It's kind of like with New ENgland, Gronkowski is actually much, much more important than their # 1 receiver. You get the sense that that is currently the case in Washington as welll

Meanwhile, DJax is also not targetted that much and also is pricely (9.5 M / year?) ...BUT DJax brings a dynamic to the offense that is totally different, taking the top of the defense and changing the entire complexion of the passing game. I haven't looked at the stats in detail, but pretty sure before DJax came back, Cousins had one of the lowest Yards per Completion numbers and since DJAX return it's gotten much, much better.

While a lot of eyes are on the QB signing in offseason, I actually think that's going to be fairly routine (I think they will drop Griffin and sign Cousins, unless we see Cousins revert to Rex Mode). Meanwhile, WR is going to be very interesting situation this offseason.

DJax cap hit doesn't change next year or in 17'. I'd think he is a must keep. His cap hit went up substantially this year.Garçon doesn't go up much, but he cost over $10M, a M more than DJax. Can't imagin he's worth keeping at that price.

Put another way. Garçon is the 15th highest paid WR while DJax is tied for the 23rd. Who'd you rather keep? Seems easy to me.

It will be really interesting to see what they do. Obviously, with the team headed in the right direction, it would be awesome to keep everyone. However, you've got other guys on offense, such as Cousins and Morris, that will likely take more money next year, so something has to give somewhere.

It may come down to "who is easier to replace." Solid possession / tough cookie competitor in Garcon or speedy guy who can torch the opposition in Jackson...

 

[jurb26]

DJax is perhaps the most dangerous deep threat in the NFL. He'd be much harder to replace. I don't think it's close, at all.

The issue of course is he gets injured a lot. I'm not sure if that plays into the brass decision much or not. DJax has proven to be an excellent WR and 1 of the few field tilters but not extremely reliable as he's not able to stay on the field as often as you'd like.

Personally, I feel DJax for WR23 money is a decent value. Garçon isn't worth WR32 money IMO.

Food for thought, Wash has the 2nd highest amount of payroll going to WR. Only team higher is Det. Of course Det has Calvin, the highest paid in the NFL, skewing things. So yeah, this WR thing is essentially the elephant in the room.