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**Official** 2015 Washington Redskins Thread YOU LIKE THAT! (3 Viewers)
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fatness
Footballguy
The Giants game will determine the direction of the remainder of the season, and is a big game for Gruden. The Skins have been plowed under by the Giants, the Patriots, and the Panthers. If the Giants beat them badly again I think the front office assessment of him may be pretty harsh.
The game wasn't on here today (again) and I had to rely on radio, cbssportsline, and the game thread here. It seemed to me that after 2 bad penalty calls the team could do nothing right, that they just stopped functioning. When 1 or 2 players go south in a game that's one thing, but when the breakdown seems teamwide that's a coaching issue. Sure, they were playing a better team, and sure, we expected them to lose. But not to be tied 14-14, and then get outscored 30-2 the rest of the way.
Listening to Cooley and Hatcher blame the officials is listening to 2 guys disconnected from reality. Cooley I can understand; he has people on the team and staff he openly roots for and will make excuses for. Hatcher is more worrisome. Getting slaughtered and then looking for someone outside the team to point fingers at -- that doesn't sound like a player who thinks the solutions to bad play are on the roster and the staff. I wonder if the team is becoming just a collection of individuals now.
Morris is hurt, Matt Jones gained 0 yards and fumbled twice, Chris Thompson gained 10 yards and fumbled once, and they need a running game badly. It sounded like the O-line got manhandled. And we play the Giants next and their lines usually handle our lines pretty easily. Beat the Giants and the season continues to have some hope. Lose to them, and I think we're in a race to the division bottom with the Eagles.
Terrible loss. Not competitive or competent.
The game wasn't on here today (again) and I had to rely on radio, cbssportsline, and the game thread here. It seemed to me that after 2 bad penalty calls the team could do nothing right, that they just stopped functioning. When 1 or 2 players go south in a game that's one thing, but when the breakdown seems teamwide that's a coaching issue. Sure, they were playing a better team, and sure, we expected them to lose. But not to be tied 14-14, and then get outscored 30-2 the rest of the way.
Listening to Cooley and Hatcher blame the officials is listening to 2 guys disconnected from reality. Cooley I can understand; he has people on the team and staff he openly roots for and will make excuses for. Hatcher is more worrisome. Getting slaughtered and then looking for someone outside the team to point fingers at -- that doesn't sound like a player who thinks the solutions to bad play are on the roster and the staff. I wonder if the team is becoming just a collection of individuals now.
Morris is hurt, Matt Jones gained 0 yards and fumbled twice, Chris Thompson gained 10 yards and fumbled once, and they need a running game badly. It sounded like the O-line got manhandled. And we play the Giants next and their lines usually handle our lines pretty easily. Beat the Giants and the season continues to have some hope. Lose to them, and I think we're in a race to the division bottom with the Eagles.
Terrible loss. Not competitive or competent.
Bottom line is they've looked good against bad teams. Bucs, Saints, Eagles, Rams. These aren't good teams at all, so far they've looked good against teams that are in the bottom third of the league.
Nice to see a former Cowboy has already become accustomed to how it works in Washington:
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/11/22/jason-hatcher-calls-out-referees-for-bias-against-redskins/
Going to be like this the entire week on the radio.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/11/22/jason-hatcher-calls-out-referees-for-bias-against-redskins/
Going to be like this the entire week on the radio.
You have a peculiar habit of trying to troll Redskins fans on here. You'd have better luck doing that on Extreme Skins I think. The regular posters in this thread all have a pretty realistic view of our team and are fairly tough to get to bite your fishing posts.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Thing is, must of the league is bad right now, so you can make the playoffs by just beating bad teams. Miami sin't good either and we could't beat them.
Also, we looked good against Atlanta in a loss, and they're kind of good.
They look like about where I thought they would this year. The blowout losses on the road are very worrisome though.
fatness
Footballguy
Blowout losses are worse the later they occur in the year. Early ones get forgotten after a couple good games. Later ones feel like they mean more in the standings, and seem to lead to players looking at the calendar more and talking to their agent more about next year. We've seen teams give up on the field in some past seasons. I honestly would hate to see that again this year.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Good teams rarely got blown out. Same for teams on the verge of being good teams. Multiple blowouts in one season is a terrible sign. More on the coaching imo. At this level blowouts should not be happening as often as we see them. The telecast mentioned how flat and defeated the Skins looked coming out for the second half. Not good.
And that sort of thing falls on The Coach.
dgreen
Footballguy
It was interesting that today's broadcasting crew asked a few times if things happening with the Redskins were a reflection of coaching or on the players. They mentioned that the team came out of the locker room just walking for the second half, mentioned it with the early 3rd quarter drives that were either turnovers or three-and-outs, and again regarding the numerous neutral zone infractions on the defense. In each scenario, Siragusa and Charles Davis (?) said it was on the players. I had to laugh. When there's maybe one or two things happening with one or two players, that's a player problem. When there are dozens of tings going wrong with dozens of players, it's hard for me to not blame leadership.
fatness
Footballguy
I am too. But I'm not OK with the level of play. The last couple weeks we were saying we just wanted to see a competent team out there week after week. We didn't see one today.
fatness
Footballguy
John Keim:
"Redskins running back Alfred Morris exited the game in the first quarter and did not return because of a rib injury. "I just re-aggravated something but I'm good," Morris said. When asked if it was something that would linger he said, "I just popped it today but I'm good.""
"Redskins coach Jay Gruden said left tackle Trent Williams has a kneecap contusion. Gruden isn't sure how much time if any Williams will miss."
Not that it matters with Morris. Gruden seems intent on burying him.
"Redskins running back Alfred Morris exited the game in the first quarter and did not return because of a rib injury. "I just re-aggravated something but I'm good," Morris said. When asked if it was something that would linger he said, "I just popped it today but I'm good.""
"Redskins coach Jay Gruden said left tackle Trent Williams has a kneecap contusion. Gruden isn't sure how much time if any Williams will miss."
Not that it matters with Morris. Gruden seems intent on burying him.
Yeah that's a brutal 1 hour flight to Charlotte, not sure how they do it. Maybe next time they'll go down a few days early to adjust.Teams that play this inconsistently shows the coach isn't getting them focused and ready to play and isn't putting together game plans successfully.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Why did you delete my sentence that put it on coaching :???:
fatness
Footballguy
I don't think he did.
"Good teams rarely got blown out. Same for teams on the verge of being good teams. Multiple blowouts in one season is a terrible sign. More on the coaching imo. At this level blowouts should not be happening as often as we see them. The telecast mentioned how flat and defeated the Skins looked coming out for the second half. Not good."
fatness
Footballguy
Jordan Reed -- sprained MCL
No word on how much time he'll miss, if any.
Listening to Kevin Sheehan this morning will be insufferable. He was crying about bad calls yesterday, and when he's done doing that he'll move on to talking about playing the Giants for the division lead next week. "Let's put this one behind us and move on." I doubt there will be much "renew Cousins's contract" talk, or analysis of Gruden.
No word on how much time he'll miss, if any.
Listening to Kevin Sheehan this morning will be insufferable. He was crying about bad calls yesterday, and when he's done doing that he'll move on to talking about playing the Giants for the division lead next week. "Let's put this one behind us and move on." I doubt there will be much "renew Cousins's contract" talk, or analysis of Gruden.
OK, that was brutal to watch.
I am not upset that they lost -- I fully expected them to lose on the road to what is probably one of the top teams in the league in Carolina.
What I am disappointed in is how they totally came unglued after they got some bad breaks and got behind. After the INT-TD was called back, then Carolina scores, it was like they just got rattled. I mean, even if you feel that they got jobbed on that call (which was probably a fair call but weak, you know?), but even if you feel they got jobbed, you cannot lose your composure and just come unglued.
WIth all that said, it just shows where the team is right now, a mediocre team with some solid pieces to build on. And I agree with dgreen and others. For us to be playing the Giants at home for a share of the division lead is tremendous. Even though the Giants are superior, we are at home and that is a winnable game. No, it doesn't mean we are going to the Super Bowl, but it is a game late in the year that means something, and that is some serious progress for this team since 2012, so I'll take it. Basically, at this point the Giants game is "our Super Bowl"...it will be interesting to see if we come out and play like it.
I am not upset that they lost -- I fully expected them to lose on the road to what is probably one of the top teams in the league in Carolina.
What I am disappointed in is how they totally came unglued after they got some bad breaks and got behind. After the INT-TD was called back, then Carolina scores, it was like they just got rattled. I mean, even if you feel that they got jobbed on that call (which was probably a fair call but weak, you know?), but even if you feel they got jobbed, you cannot lose your composure and just come unglued.
WIth all that said, it just shows where the team is right now, a mediocre team with some solid pieces to build on. And I agree with dgreen and others. For us to be playing the Giants at home for a share of the division lead is tremendous. Even though the Giants are superior, we are at home and that is a winnable game. No, it doesn't mean we are going to the Super Bowl, but it is a game late in the year that means something, and that is some serious progress for this team since 2012, so I'll take it. Basically, at this point the Giants game is "our Super Bowl"...it will be interesting to see if we come out and play like it.
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I am seriously worried about us letting Morris go in the offseason and going with Matt Jones as our main back. Can you imagine how many fumbles we would see if there was no Morris to at least take 10 carries a game?
If we don't resign Morris it will be a big mistake. Jones has potential but he is a "fumble machine." If folks worry about going with Cousins long term because of his turnovers, they need to be equally concerned with Jones. That dude coughs it up all the time and often at the more unopportune times....
The other thing discouraging about that loss was something very simple: pour tackling. While everyone will likely focus on turnovers, Cousins, and penalties -- one of the things that was most frustrating to me was the sheer number of times we appeared to have a runner stopped in the backfield, only to have him bounce off and run for 7-10 yards. We often go back there and "hit" the runner and don't "wrap them up" and it's frustrating as heck. Joe Barry needs to do some old fashioned tackling drills with some of these guys, seriously. It's the most fundamental part of the game...
I didn't edit your original post at all. If I did I was posting from my phone and did it inadvertently.
dgreen
Footballguy
I don't think that's allowed much anymore.
On one play, Knighton met Stewart about three yards in the backfield and couldn't wrap up. How does a guy that big not bring down a RB? I'm not calling you Potroast until you make plays, Terrance. You have to earn nicknames!
fatness
Footballguy
This was the subject of some highly-entertaining radio this morning. Doc Walker was making exactly the point you are --- a bad call happens and a decent football team gets pissed, then forgets it, and doesn't get shook. Kevin Sheehan was in full denial mode, saying that the Culliver play changed the entire direction of the game and that's the only way he wanted to talk about it. It turned into a yelling match, both Doc and Kevin yelling at each other, with Doc ending by saying "then take me off your show" and hanging up.
It. Was Awesome.
A while back someone made the point that the Redskins have been scheduled to play a lot of teams after they have long breaks. So I started thinking about it.
1. We played Tampa Bay after their bye.
2. The one team we got to play after our bye was New England, and New England got to play the previous Thursday, so had a long break themselves.
3. We are playing New York Giants after their bye.
4. We are playing the Dallas Cowboys after their long post-Thanskgiving break.
Any others?
Seems like a lot strung fairly closely together. That said, no excuses...you play the schedule in front of you. Just can't catch many breaks is all...
1. We played Tampa Bay after their bye.
2. The one team we got to play after our bye was New England, and New England got to play the previous Thursday, so had a long break themselves.
3. We are playing New York Giants after their bye.
4. We are playing the Dallas Cowboys after their long post-Thanskgiving break.
Any others?
Seems like a lot strung fairly closely together. That said, no excuses...you play the schedule in front of you. Just can't catch many breaks is all...
MattFancy
Footballguy
Disappointing to hear the players ##### about the officiating yesterday. That's something the fans do. I agree the overturned INT was a terrible call, but you gotta move on after that. After that play, the Panthers scored 30 unanswered points. That can't happen.
As others have pointed out, we're just terrible on the road. Believe we're now 1-12 under Gruden on the road.
The Giants came is huge coming up. If we lost this one, the season is just about over, IMO. Hell, even a win against the Giants doesn't guarantee anything with the schedule we have coming up. But a win against them at home would certainly be nice going forward if this team is going to do anything this season.
As others have pointed out, we're just terrible on the road. Believe we're now 1-12 under Gruden on the road.
The Giants came is huge coming up. If we lost this one, the season is just about over, IMO. Hell, even a win against the Giants doesn't guarantee anything with the schedule we have coming up. But a win against them at home would certainly be nice going forward if this team is going to do anything this season.
Man, I need to find that online.
Don't get me wrong. When I saw that play, I was initially pissed. Particularly because on our first drive, Reed clearly got helmet to helmetted on a play that would have extended our drive. So it felt like we were getting shafted. At the same time, as the game went on, I was like: now this is ridiculous.
As you say, crappy calls happen all the time...bad luck happens all the time. Everyone can point to it. Question is: how do you respond?
dgreen
Footballguy
I hear this a lot, but how does it compare to other teams? I wouldn't be surprised if having 4 or 5 games against teams on more rest is common across the league.
It's icing on the cake that if we win that game we're tied for first. But more fundamental than that -- not to sound like a caveman -- but you have to come out and regain your manhood. I mean, Carolina just b-slapped you all over the field. You need to come out and beat the Giants just for the sake of beating someone...because you have some pride.
The Giants will be ready coming off a loss and a bye. We are going to learn a whole lot about the character of this Redskins team on Sunday.
fatness
Footballguy
It should be in the ESPN980 audo vault later today or tomorrow. It was between 8 and 9 am today. I guarantee you'll be entertained, there was real anger.
And though Doc is often a clownish character, today he was the one making sense.
link to audio vault:
http://www.espn980.com/audio-vault/
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Yeah, particularly with the Thursday games. I would like to see some stats on it, but alas I am too lazy to do the research.
fatness
Footballguy
(HULK)
(Smash)
Did any of us really expect to still be in the playoff hunt after Thanksgiving?
I didn't. And I think its like a 100 to 1 shot for us to make it there even now.
This team is improved from last year. Undeniable.
Cousins looks average, but he should be decent enough if we can build up a better team overall over the next few seasons. That's what Scotch is here for.
I have hope for the future. Regardless of anything else, this season is a step forward from last year. It wasn't a giant leap, but what rationale person was expecting a giant leap? I'll settle for slow steps forward every year, with the hopes that we can become a perennial contender a few seasons down the road.
I didn't. And I think its like a 100 to 1 shot for us to make it there even now.
This team is improved from last year. Undeniable.
Cousins looks average, but he should be decent enough if we can build up a better team overall over the next few seasons. That's what Scotch is here for.
I have hope for the future. Regardless of anything else, this season is a step forward from last year. It wasn't a giant leap, but what rationale person was expecting a giant leap? I'll settle for slow steps forward every year, with the hopes that we can become a perennial contender a few seasons down the road.
MattFancy
Footballguy
I think there is some good things to take away from this season so far.
But one of the big early ones was the running game. The run game has been nonexistent really for the better part of the last 4-5 weeks. Sure, it looked better against the Saints, but it's not what it was. I guess the Lavauo injury was bigger than we thought it would be. You can't have your RBs combine for 10yds rushing in a game. That's just pathetic.
Funny. But you know, when you listen to many of those players from the successful Redskins teams of the past, they do have a certain "ethic" that makes you see why they are winners. Doc can be annoying sometimes, but I actually like him overall and I definitely respect what he's done...Hello, Doc.
The bolded is a sentence I never thought I would see typed, ever.
Re: the Skins. I have hope for the future as well. I still think that even a six win season is not an outright disaster.
I will say, for me, losing to Carolina will not make me think this team is a failure. But I do want this team to go out and beat the Giants at home. This game is the closest thing to a playoff game that we've had since Seattle in 2012. To me it is that big. Division Rival. Team that embarrassed you on National TV. You are at Home. You are playing for Division Lead. I am ready to start drinking beers right now, as I type this. Let's get this thing on!
fatness
Footballguy
I have hope for the future, too. It's just that it's too damn early in the season to be talking about the future. That's what we do when we're giving up on the current season. And I'm not ready to give up on this season yet. The division stinks, it's sitting right there, and time after time the Skins prevent themselves from taking advantage, and shoot themselves in the foot. Or feet.
The Giants game will tell us a lot.
dgreen
Footballguy
I'm thinking 7-9 this season is a nice goal. That would probably mean winning 2 of the last 3 home games (NYG, DAL, BUF) and then winning just one road game on the season (CHI, PHI, DAL). We can win one road game, right? That should be doable.
But I'm not going to be surprised by 6-10 or even 8-8. Anything outside of the 6-10 to 8-8 range would surprise right now. In other words, I can see them going 2-4, 3-3, or possibly even 4-2 in the final 6. But 0-6, 1-5, 5-1, and 6-0 would shock me.
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Too early for news on Jordan Reed? I was freaked out Gruden said sprained MCL but since he came back in I guess NBD.
I figured they couldn't hang with the Panthers but they have a lot of winnable games coming up. GL ROS.
I figured they couldn't hang with the Panthers but they have a lot of winnable games coming up. GL ROS.
Incidentally, was their any more Cousins Contract Talk this morning? Or has that cooled down?
dgreen
Footballguy
I guess media like to pay high. Wait for him to have a great game and then negotiate! Personally, I'd approach his agent this week before he can rip apart the sucky Giants' secondary. But, I think Cousins might want to test the market some. From his perspective, he just needs to hope he doesn't have a bad injury and he can probably get a nice payday after this season (assuming he has a few more good games).MikeApf said:
fatness
Footballguy
This is about as critical as I've seen John Keim get: http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/21665/familiar-script-dooms-redskins-on-the-road-again
Rimez
Footballguy
was referring to 0 wins on the road this season, our last road win was colt vs dallas. no need to be sarcastic about it this isnt reddit, and some of us are looking at the big picture and dont get caught in the /wrists to paly0ffs to /wrists cycle on a weekly basis, but its cute some of you thought we would actually be competitive against a team that hasnt lost a regular season game since the reagan administration.thayman said:
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