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***Official*** 2016 Dynasty Value Assessment Thread (1 Viewer)

I never said he cant.  I just dont assume he will for  100% fact.  I said "might not," not "cant".  Huge difference.

I also think its crazy not to have any worries about charles.

 
I wouldn't give a 2nd for Bryant right now.  There may be less chance to hit his upside, but anyone trying also has 4 strikes to give before they hit his risk factor, and we don't yet know how he's going to cope with this one.
What if you have Coates stashed? Giving away a 2nd for Martavis seems pretty reasonable to me.

 
Thoughts on the value of JCharles/West/Ware?

I own Charles on his own in one league and plan to hold him til he's done. When he starts, he's money. 

I own West/Ware in another league and trying to figure out the value of buying Charles to then have the present, and future, KC backfield. I think Charles is worth my 2.01 in a 12 team, non-ppr, but worth more?

also, thoughts on Green-Beckham? I have him in both my dynasty leagues at the cost of a mid-2nd but am wondering what folks think his upside is? Top 10 if cards fall right? Top 20 at best?

 
Thoughts on the value of JCharles/West/Ware?

I own Charles on his own in one league and plan to hold him til he's done. When he starts, he's money. 

I own West/Ware in another league and trying to figure out the value of buying Charles to then have the present, and future, KC backfield. I think Charles is worth my 2.01 in a 12 team, non-ppr, but worth more?

also, thoughts on Green-Beckham? I have him in both my dynasty leagues at the cost of a mid-2nd but am wondering what folks think his upside is? Top 10 if cards fall right? Top 20 at best?
  • Charles - If I owned him I wouldn't take the 13th pick for him.  This year doesn't have a ton of depth so the talent level at 13 (basically a crapshoot) wouldn't be worth 1-2 more great years and 1-2 ok years after that (how long I think he'll last).  Also, not a ton of faith that West/Ware are the future of that franchise.  I think by the time Charles breaks down and leaves KC there will be a new stud RB.
  • DGB - High hopes for a breakout year this year.  He had issues with route running and needs more time with Mariota but that's what this offseason is for.  I'd be shocked if Tenn doesn't grab another WR in the draft who could take some pressure off DGB and with his size he should become a bigger target in the red zone this year.  I see him taking some of Walkers TDs.  I think his upside is probably top 10, but I think he falls in the 15-25 range this year.  One more year of experience before he breaks the top 15.


While it may not affect Yeldon's long term value, I think it makes a bigger impact for at least this season than you're alluding to. Ivory was signed to a very big contract while Blount was clearly a depth signing. Also Le'Veon Bell is/was far better than Yeldon and frankly Ivory looked much better than Yeldon did last season (albeit under different circumstances). 
Point well taken, mainly I think Yeldon retains his long term value if he can stay healthy.  Ivory is basically signed to a 2 year, $12 million dollar deal and I foresee him getting cut/traded after that unless he does amazing.  He also has a history of being banged up which could thrust Yeldon back into the bell cow position.  Assuming both stay healthy I see Yeldon in the RB12-17 range.  Solid RB2 with some weeks where he goes off for 20+ pts and others where he gets low single digits because Ivory steals the load. 

Everyone has the image of Thomas looking bad in the playoffs on their minds. The guy caught 105 passes for 1,304 yards and 6 TDs last season. If people are down on their quarterback situation, I ask: Does anyone think Mark Sanchez is that much worse than the 2015 version of Peyton Manning? Honestly Thomas upgraded his QB this offseason as strange as that may sound.
Ok, maybe sell for what you can get is an overreaction, but I'd still try and move him from my team this offseason.  I don't have faith in him remaining a top 10 WR and in my league that's what people still view him as.  Also, while Peyton was QB DT had 5 games over 90 yards.  With Brock?  2.  And Brock was definitely playing better than Peyton.  I'm not confident that DT will be as successful with any other QB as he was with Peyton and I'd feel better trading him away even at a perceived loss of value.  In my league this year he was traded for a 2nd round pick and Jordan Reed.  I'd do that trade in a heart beat.

There are very few QBs I put in that column, and Manchez is one of them.
Two words. Butt. Fumble.

I don't see why that would matter at all.  Coates being on my roster doesn't change Bryant's suspension or subsequent future risk.
I guess because then you have the Steelers' WR2 no matter who it is?  Also, Bryant has top 5 WR upside (Anyone who put up 150+ yards against the Denver D last year has that upside).  It's a huge risk but if you look at the players available in round 2 of this year's rookie draft, either one is a gamble.  Assuming their 2nd round pick is 16th overall or later and according to 2016 Rookie ADP that would be trading Braxton Miller, Pharoh Cooper, or Jonathan Williams for Martavis Bryant.  There's no guarantee that either of these 3 has the talent to make it in the NFL, whereas you know MB does.  He has issues and the big gamble is whether or not he can get straight or will he be finished like Blackmon.  As a Steelers fan I've read far too many articles about it and it appears like the team is really trying to support him, but at the same time is ready to cut ties if he can't turn things around.  I play fantasy going for high-risk  high-reward players, sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesn't (Currently own Josh Gordon, in 2014 I traded Montee Ball (the sure thing) for an injured rookie WR... OBJ).

 
steelers1080 said:
I guess because then you have the Steelers' WR2 no matter who it is?  Also, Bryant has top 5 WR upside (Anyone who put up 150+ yards against the Denver D last year has that upside).  It's a huge risk but if you look at the players available in round 2 of this year's rookie draft, either one is a gamble.  Assuming their 2nd round pick is 16th overall or later and according to 2016 Rookie ADP that would be trading Braxton Miller, Pharoh Cooper, or Jonathan Williams for Martavis Bryant.  There's no guarantee that either of these 3 has the talent to make it in the NFL, whereas you know MB does.  He has issues and the big gamble is whether or not he can get straight or will he be finished like Blackmon.  As a Steelers fan I've read far too many articles about it and it appears like the team is really trying to support him, but at the same time is ready to cut ties if he can't turn things around.  I play fantasy going for high-risk  high-reward players, sometimes it pays off and sometimes it doesn't (Currently own Josh Gordon, in 2014 I traded Montee Ball (the sure thing) for an injured rookie WR... OBJ).
I still don't get why having Coates changes Bryant's value.  He's still gone for a year minimum, and he is still one strike away from being gone for good.  Paying more for a guy I don't yet have because of a guy I already have and paid for does not compute.

Regarding the pick value, I guess that's dependent upon the league rules.  I play in IDP leagues, with contracts and salary caps.  So a 2nd has a lot more value in an IDP league, and a player that's burning up cap space loses a lot of value.  For example, in one league Bryant is on a 2 year contract.  So if I trade for him now I have to carry him (dead roster spot) his contract (2 years against a 100 year cap) and when I "can" use him (maybe) he's on a 1 year contract and I'll have to pay to keep him in RFA.  Those rookie picks have a lot more value in this scenario, because if they do hit they can be given a much longer contract.  If it was a league I could just keep Bryant forever and all I were burning were 1 roster spot that might change my mind.

 
I still don't get why having Coates changes Bryant's value.  He's still gone for a year minimum, and he is still one strike away from being gone for good.  Paying more for a guy I don't yet have because of a guy I already have and paid for does not compute.

Regarding the pick value, I guess that's dependent upon the league rules.  I play in IDP leagues, with contracts and salary caps.  So a 2nd has a lot more value in an IDP league, and a player that's burning up cap space loses a lot of value.  For example, in one league Bryant is on a 2 year contract.  So if I trade for him now I have to carry him (dead roster spot) his contract (2 years against a 100 year cap) and when I "can" use him (maybe) he's on a 1 year contract and I'll have to pay to keep him in RFA.  Those rookie picks have a lot more value in this scenario, because if they do hit they can be given a much longer contract.  If it was a league I could just keep Bryant forever and all I were burning were 1 roster spot that might change my mind.
Good point about the different possible league types, I was just assuming standard, or non-contract.

The way that the guy originally posted it, I agree, owning Coates doesn't inherently make Bryant more valuable.  But, one reason could be that they want the #2 WR in Pittsburgh given their strong passing attack, so that even if/when Bryant returns they'll still own that position.  If that's the case they might be more willing to part with a higher pick than someone who isn't already invested in the team.  (Just trying to come up with possible reasoning)

 
My thoughts on Teddy Bridgewater - as a Vikings fan and a dynasty owner...

He won't progress much this year. AP controls the offensive plan. He doesn't like running out of the gun or pistol. Norv has accommodated AP's preference by putting Teddy under center more. With the offensive line last year (I think Teddy was the most pressured QB in the league) and Turners utilization of deeper routes it was and remains a bad fit for Teddy. And they played outside the last 2 years - they get their new indoor stadium this year. 

When AP is gone this will have to be Teddy's team IMO. I never see him as a top flight QB but wouldn't be suprised at all if he had a few years as a top 8 QB. If you own him, hold. If you are considering trading for him, now's the time. Better O line + playing inside + maturity + hopefully better WRs + losing AP in a couple years = Teddy value increase IMO. 

 
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joey said:
Thoughts on the value of JCharles/West/Ware?

I own Charles on his own in one league and plan to hold him til he's done. When he starts, he's money. 

I own West/Ware in another league and trying to figure out the value of buying Charles to then have the present, and future, KC backfield. I think Charles is worth my 2.01 in a 12 team, non-ppr, but worth more?

also, thoughts on Green-Beckham? I have him in both my dynasty leagues at the cost of a mid-2nd but am wondering what folks think his upside is? Top 10 if cards fall right? Top 20 at best?
I recently gave the 1.9 for Charles so I can pair him with David Johnson and Mark Ingram.  I am in win now with 2 straight 2nd place finishes.  I am well built for the future as well so the 1.9 had little value to me and was a no brainer for Charles.

 
I recently gave the 1.9 for Charles so I can pair him with David Johnson and Mark Ingram.  I am in win now with 2 straight 2nd place finishes.  I am well built for the future as well so the 1.9 had little value to me and was a no brainer for Charles.
Thanks for the tip.  I just offered the 9 for Charles.  I got the 9 by trading Forte the day he signed with the Jets.

 
Pwingles said:
How are we viewing Ingram right now? What would be your buying price? 12 team/ppr
Feel like hes a top 8 RB for the next couple years. The Saints offense is looking better. He is gonna get plenty of RZ opportunities. 

Not sure what I would trade buy/sell him for.

 
I saw somebody ask about Josh Gordon's value. I think he's worth an early 1st rounder right now (probably 1.03 or so). I've seen him go in the 3rd round of a dynasty startup I was in and I think that's about where his value is currently. There's a major risk there, but the reward is still massive as he would be a target hog in that Cleveland offense with Hue Jackson in charge and he turns just 25-years old in April.

It turned into a bigger deal than originally conceived but I was offered Kelvin Benjamin straight up for Josh Gordon. (Ended up trading Gordon, 2.12 and two 2017 1st rounders for Benjamin, TY Hilton and 1.05). 

In another league, I offered Keenan Allen for Gordon and a pair of early 2nd rounders and was turned down. 

He's not too far behind the Keenan Allen, Alshon Jeffery, Brandin Cooks tier and right in there with Cobb, Landry, Benjamin, DGB, Parker, White and those guys. 

 
What are people getting/asking for, for Luck?

I offered Carr, Langford, and Picks 12, 16, and 24 for him and got turned down.  Not sure what his value is but the guy countered with David Johnson for Luck and I said no.

 
I saw somebody ask about Josh Gordon's value. I think he's worth an early 1st rounder right now (probably 1.03 or so). I've seen him go in the 3rd round of a dynasty startup I was in and I think that's about where his value is currently. There's a major risk there, but the reward is still massive as he would be a target hog in that Cleveland offense with Hue Jackson in charge and he turns just 25-years old in April.

It turned into a bigger deal than originally conceived but I was offered Kelvin Benjamin straight up for Josh Gordon. (Ended up trading Gordon, 2.12 and two 2017 1st rounders for Benjamin, TY Hilton and 1.05). 

In another league, I offered Keenan Allen for Gordon and a pair of early 2nd rounders and was turned down. 

He's not too far behind the Keenan Allen, Alshon Jeffery, Brandin Cooks tier and right in there with Cobb, Landry, Benjamin, DGB, Parker, White and those guys. 
you are likely right about his value but that value probably only applies to the 50% or so of owners that are willing to take that risk. There are a lot of us that avoid guys like him, M Bryant like the plague because that risk is just so so high

 
steelers1080 said:
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  • DGB - High hopes for a breakout year this year.  He had issues with route running and needs more time with Mariota but that's what this offseason is for.  I'd be shocked if Tenn doesn't grab another WR in the draft who could take some pressure off DGB and with his size he should become a bigger target in the red zone this year.  I see him taking some of Walkers TDs.  I think his upside is probably top 10, but I think he falls in the 15-25 range this year.  One more year of experience before he breaks the top 15.
This is my issue with DGB rankings. It's based on him doing something we haven't seen him do, even in college. As in, assuming he'll improve is not forecasting a linear improvement but instead some sort of quantum progression.

 
Just out of curiosity have you ever posted any of your completed trades?
Yep, every one of them.  Along with all the other trades in my leagues, unless there are small potatoes deals like a player for a a 4th or something cause in the FFPC those kinds of deals are no true indication of value at all.  Why?

 
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What are people getting/asking for, for Luck?

I offered Carr, Langford, and Picks 12, 16, and 24 for him and got turned down.  Not sure what his value is but the guy countered with David Johnson for Luck and I said no.
I'm coming out of a rebuild/retool and rolling with Derek Carr as my QB1 for now, so I'm pretty high on his prospects, BUT there's too much FF history over the past dozen years of team owners parking on an "elite" QB and posting winning season after winning season. Andrew Luck is that kind of player, and despite last year's problems, there's no reasonable offer that could persuade me to trade him.

If there's an injury to either Luck or Rodgers, and the owner of the injured QB is otherwise staring at solid chance to win the Super Bowl, then maybe there is a deal to be made.

 
Yep, every one of them.  Along with all the other trades in my leagues, unless there are small potatoes deals like a player for a a 4th or something cause in the FFPC those kinds of deals are no true indication of value at all.  Why?
I just noticed a pattern of criticizing others so I was just curious if you posted your completed trades.

 
I don't see why that would matter at all.  Coates being on my roster doesn't change Bryant's suspension or subsequent future risk.
Steeler1080 hit on it. What is the WR2 in Pittsburgh worth in the eyes of FF evaluators?

With both Coates and Bryant, maybe I have a 60% chance of reaching that expected production. What is available in round 2 that is worth a 60% chance of getting the real deal at WR#2 in Pittsburgh. ... 60% chance is a wild-### guess, but it's my working model. Feel free to downgrade and make a better assessment.

 
Steeler1080 hit on it. What is the WR2 in Pittsburgh worth in the eyes of FF evaluators?

With both Coates and Bryant, maybe I have a 60% chance of reaching that expected production. What is available in round 2 that is worth a 60% chance of getting the real deal at WR#2 in Pittsburgh. ... 60% chance is a wild-### guess, but it's my working model. Feel free to downgrade and make a better assessment.
Assuming your 60% is right, I'm not trading for 60% of it, because I already own whatever of that you assign to Coates.  What I'm getting is (60% - Coates' value).  But the thing is, even if I don't already own Coates, I'm still getting (60% - Coates' value) by trading for Bryant.  Owning Coates brings no more value to trading for Bryant than Bryant already has. 

 
Assuming your 60% is right, I'm not trading for 60% of it, because I already own whatever of that you assign to Coates.  What I'm getting is (60% - Coates' value).  But the thing is, even if I don't already own Coates, I'm still getting (60% - Coates' value) by trading for Bryant.  Owning Coates brings no more value to trading for Bryant than Bryant already has. 
True.  My implication was if someone owns Coates they probably like the Steelers offense.  Someone who likes that offense could pay a 2nd for Bryant (also potentially in that offense), more than someone who hasn't invested in that offense who might offer a 3rd or 4th.  They aren't inherently related, but it could imply that they like that situation and are willing to pay more.

In my league a good example is that I know certain people are Redskins, Titans, or Ravens fans.  To those people, players on those teams are worth more.  To every Coates owner, Bryant isn't necessarily worth more, but I wouldn't be shocked if on average the guy who owns Coates either also owns Bryant or is willing to offer more for him than a non-Coates owner.

 
Assuming your 60% is right, I'm not trading for 60% of it, because I already own whatever of that you assign to Coates.  What I'm getting is (60% - Coates' value).  But the thing is, even if I don't already own Coates, I'm still getting (60% - Coates' value) by trading for Bryant.  Owning Coates brings no more value to trading for Bryant than Bryant already has. 
there's some value in "hedging" to increase odds or possible outcomes.

 
there's some value in "hedging" to increase odds or possible outcomes.
But it's not a closed system.  A hedge means if the original fails to pay off, the hedge will.  If you had the Panthers for $1k at 10-1 in a pre-season bet, it makes all kinds of sense to put $5k on Denver at 2-1 the day of the game.  You know you're winning $10k at the cost of a $5k hedge.   There's no such correlation here.  Coates can blow out a knee tomorrow and Bryant's value doesn't change because Bryant's value isn't based on Coates' presence, it's based on Bryant's expected production level - his risk factor.  If you want to cite things that lower Bryant's risk factor or increase his production I'm listening. 

 
you are likely right about his value but that value probably only applies to the 50% or so of owners that are willing to take that risk. There are a lot of us that avoid guys like him, M Bryant like the plague because that risk is just so so high
Yeah, probably a wide range of opinions on him. But I think in every league there will be at least a couple owners who are going to value him on the high end of his range. Which means he is going to go in the 3rd or 4th round of a startup and if you own him you can get a top 35 overall player for him straight up in return. Maybe even more once he is officially re-instated. 

I also think strategically you have to assess where your roster is and how much risk you are willing to take. In the league I traded Gordon away, I have OBJ but not much behind him. Gordon was my WR2 and that's a precarious situation so I went out and tried to turn him into a safer WR2 even if it meant sacrificing some upside. I had a need for some safety and a guy who was definitely startable every week. In the league I was attempting to trade for Gordon, I have OBJ, Julio, Evans and Cobb. It makes sense to swing for the fences trying to acquire Gordon because I'm fine even if he busts out and I'm mainly looking for upside, not safety. 

 
Someone turned down keenan allen for gordon and a couple 2nds????

Someone OFFERED that?  Two mistakes in one, wow
Was surprised it got turned down. But it's a combined devy/rookie draft where 2017 draft eligible prospects are available to be picked (Chubb, Fournette, JuJu, etc.) right alongside the incoming rookies, so 2.01 and 2.03 have some added value compared to a normal rookie draft. Many of the top 2016 guys (Treadwell, Henry, Elliott, etc.) are already owned from last year, so it evens out a little bit. But overall the early 2nd rounders are worth more than a normal rookie draft because they can be used on a top 5-6 2017 devy player (usually 4-5 devys go round 1). 

 
But it's not a closed system.  A hedge means if the original fails to pay off, the hedge will.  If you had the Panthers for $1k at 10-1 in a pre-season bet, it makes all kinds of sense to put $5k on Denver at 2-1 the day of the game.  You know you're winning $10k at the cost of a $5k hedge.   There's no such correlation here.  Coates can blow out a knee tomorrow and Bryant's value doesn't change because Bryant's value isn't based on Coates' presence, it's based on Bryant's expected production level - his risk factor.  If you want to cite things that lower Bryant's risk factor or increase his production I'm listening. 
There are a couple other reasons I can think of that it is not a closed system, and why your argument is sound.  Marcus Wheaton and DHB.  Nobody is saying these guys are worldbeaters that would take Bryant's job if he comes back, but are we really convinced they would be pushed to the side by Coates?  What about the potential for increased targets to Green and Bell?  I'm simply not convinced that there will be such a thing as a worthwhile fantasy asset in Pittsburgh that isn't named Bell, Brown or Green.  In my mind Wheaton is the closest. Take your pick amongst Coates, Wheaton and DHB from one week to the next (or a potential Steelers draft pick).  That being said I might be marginally more interested in trading for Bryant if I had one of these other pieces, but it's marginal at best and my decision would be based solely on whether I was willing to take the risk.  If Bryant falls off the map like Blackmon then I'm just not sure I care about Coates. 

 
Kaps value if he lands in Denver?
Upside is there, but it's hard to imagine his value skyrockets in any standard (1 QB) leagues.

Trying to put a pick value on it, I'd say in whatever range Goff and Wentz will get drafted in your league (mid to late second?).

 
Upside is there, but it's hard to imagine his value skyrockets in any standard (1 QB) leagues.

Trying to put a pick value on it, I'd say in whatever range Goff and Wentz will get drafted in your league (mid to late second?).
I would expect Goff and Wentz to go before Kaep. If you are trying to sell him, I think a late 2nd to early 3rd is about the best you can hope for at this point in time. Listed him among my trade bait in one league and have yet to get an offer of any kind.

 
Was offered a relatively weak team's 2018 1st (but who knows that far out, and he does have Andrew Luck...but not much else) for the #9 pick in this draft.  He said he'd sweeten it with a late pick this year (4th rounder).  I know a little about the 2017 draft, but nothing about the 2018 draft.  I'd have to assume for this to be worth it to me I'd have to be getting back a top 5 pick, correct?  I also have the #12, so may counter with that.

 
I would expect Goff and Wentz to go before Kaep. If you are trying to sell him, I think a late 2nd to early 3rd is about the best you can hope for at this point in time. Listed him among my trade bait in one league and have yet to get an offer of any kind.
Personally I'd rather take my chances with Kaep but can definitely see some one preferring the rookies.

 
matttyl said:
Was offered a relatively weak team's 2018 1st (but who knows that far out, and he does have Andrew Luck...but not much else) for the #9 pick in this draft.  He said he'd sweeten it with a late pick this year (4th rounder).  I know a little about the 2017 draft, but nothing about the 2018 draft.  I'd have to assume for this to be worth it to me I'd have to be getting back a top 5 pick, correct?  I also have the #12, so may counter with that.
I would do it (though obviously offer pick 12 first to see if he takes that). 

It's well worth the upside of what you can get with that pick with really no downside.

 
Yeah, probably a wide range of opinions on him. But I think in every league there will be at least a couple owners who are going to value him on the high end of his range. Which means he is going to go in the 3rd or 4th round of a startup and if you own him you can get a top 35 overall player for him straight up in return. Maybe even more once he is officially re-instated. 
Here is where Bryant was drafted in the mocks thriftyrocker has been running.

January 

19. Martavis Bryant WR15 21.00 -3.71 [16,30]

February

19. Martavis Bryant WR16 21.92 0.92 [17,26]

March

55. Bryant, Martavis WR38 55.00 33.77 [25,80]

I am not sure how many of these mocks occurred prior to the suspension news. It is possible he will drop further in May. 

I think his ADP was too high to begin with but I haven't been as high on Bryant as others. The physical talent and skill was there for him to be great, but even in college there just always seemed to be something missing. Call it heart or love for the game, I don't know, his production did not match his ability.

Now towards midway of the 2016 season or on news of reinstatement, perhaps his ADP will go up, or like you say, find the Bryant believer in your league to maximize your return. If Coates or Wheaton do not step up, that could help his value I think also.

 
matttyl said:
Was offered a relatively weak team's 2018 1st (but who knows that far out, and he does have Andrew Luck...but not much else) for the #9 pick in this draft.  He said he'd sweeten it with a late pick this year (4th rounder).  I know a little about the 2017 draft, but nothing about the 2018 draft.  I'd have to assume for this to be worth it to me I'd have to be getting back a top 5 pick, correct?  I also have the #12, so may counter with that.
Two years out is a long way away.

At pick 9 who would be the player you drafted assuming worst case scenario?

For me pick 9 in 2016 would be Alex Collins or Kenneth Dixon at RB. Michael Thomas, Sterling Shepherd or Tyler Boyd at WR. It is possible your pick there could help you right away in 2016 although I never count on that. Then another season of production in 2017 before that 2018 pick would be coming into play.

I don't think leagues should trade more than one year out. This owner may just be looking to kick the can as much as he can to win now. At least he is trading future picks for young players I guess. I worry about the league becoming more imbalanced then owners who traded away all their future picks quiting and leaving a repalcement owner with nothing to work with is my main reason for being against trading more than one season away. 

 
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Two years out is a long way away.

At pick 9 who would be the player you drafted assuming worst case scenario?

For me pick 9 in 2016 would be Alex Collins or Kenneth Dixon at RB. Michael Thomas, Sterling Shepherd or Tyler Boyd at WR. It is possible your pick there could help you right away in 2016 although I never count on that. Then another season of production in 2017 before that 2018 pick would be coming into play.

I don't think leagues should trade more than one year out. This owner may just be looking to kick the can as much as he can to win now. At least he is trading future picks for young players I guess. I worry about the league becoming more imbalanced then owners who traded away all their future picks quiting and leaving a repalcement owner with nothing to work with is my main reason for being against trading more than one season away. 
Agree that trading picks two years out is a potential mess.  Problem mostly solved if you get payment upon completion of trade for that year.  If you trade a 2018 1st you have to pay for 2017 and 2018 or the trade is void. 

 
Does anyone else like Sterling Shepard? I was watching a little tape and he looks so smooth catching the ball. Add in the fact that he's a darn good athlete and he might be set up to be a high end WR2 for years depending on landing spot. I'd love to see him end up in Atlanta or with Cincy. 

 
Any one have ideas on how to value Jeremy Langford and Tavon Austin in regards to rookie draft picks in a PPR 12 teamer contract/salary league? 

A late first for Langford and a mid 2nd for Austin? 

 
Any one have ideas on how to value Jeremy Langford and Tavon Austin in regards to rookie draft picks in a PPR 12 teamer contract/salary league? 

A late first for Langford and a mid 2nd for Austin? 
No experience with salary cap leagues, I think your valuation of Langford is about right, hes not special but he is in a good situation currently.

Austin is a bit of a mystery to me value wise. I dont think hes worth a mid 2, even in this draft. But if he produces like he did last year, its prolly fair value

 
Does anyone else like Sterling Shepard? I was watching a little tape and he looks so smooth catching the ball. Add in the fact that he's a darn good athlete and he might be set up to be a high end WR2 for years depending on landing spot. I'd love to see him end up in Atlanta or with Cincy. 
I do like him, pre draft rankings have him all over the place. I think ive seen him anywhere from wr4-10 so my guess is landing spot is gonna add some clarity as to how soon he can be an impact player if at all. I think pretty much every NFC east team would benefit from having him right away, or a team like you said ATL or Cincy, or AZ

 
Any one have ideas on how to value Jeremy Langford and Tavon Austin in regards to rookie draft picks in a PPR 12 teamer contract/salary league? 

A late first for Langford and a mid 2nd for Austin? 
I offered Langford for a 2017 1st and wasn't turned down outright, but he's still mulling it over.

 
Agree that trading picks two years out is a potential mess.  Problem mostly solved if you get payment upon completion of trade for that year.  If you trade a 2018 1st you have to pay for 2017 and 2018 or the trade is void. 
The offer was from the commish himself - and he and I have both been in the league for over a decade now.  Neither of us (and hopefully no one else) is going anywhere. 

 
Lower now than it was a year ago.  The entire TE dynasty valuation situation changed greatly this offseason.  If you're in a 10 or even 12 teamer, unless you can get Gronk - just wait and get two of - Eiftert, Kelce, Reed, Ebron, Olsen, ASJ, Ertz, Fleener, J Thomas, Graham, D Walker, L Green, Bennett, D Allen, Z Miller, and possibly even Jared Cook now that he's in Green Bay. 

In the past month or two guys like Fleener, Green, Bennett and maybe Cook have come out of nearly no where to be viable weekly starters - thus lowering the value of the other guys (the whole supply and demand thing).

 
Lower now than it was a year ago.  The entire TE dynasty valuation situation changed greatly this offseason.  If you're in a 10 or even 12 teamer, unless you can get Gronk - just wait and get two of - Eiftert, Kelce, Reed, Ebron, Olsen, ASJ, Ertz, Fleener, J Thomas, Graham, D Walker, L Green, Bennett, D Allen, Z Miller, and possibly even Jared Cook now that he's in Green Bay. 

In the past month or two guys like Fleener, Green, Bennett and maybe Cook have come out of nearly no where to be viable weekly starters - thus lowering the value of the other guys (the whole supply and demand thing).
I'd put Eifert, Reed and (maybe) Kelce in a tier above the rest of those guys. Olsen has the age factor working against him or he'd be close to that tier as well.

 
Offered multiple firsts (1.04 and 2017) for Eifert, turned down. Offered the 1.04, 2017 2nd and Jordan Cameron for Reed, turned down.

12 team TE premium.

 
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