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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Insein
Footballguy
Holy ####. I just looked at over the cap. $12.5m cap hit this year. $23.5 next year. This is basically a one year deal. No way they keep at that number next year either way. If he's good, they redo the remaining years. If he sucks, see ya and save $14m in cap.Bigboy10182000 said:
Howie knows things.
Insein
Footballguy
The Eagles have about $17m left under the cap now. Cox currently takes up about $8m of the cap and a new deal probably wouldn't increase that too much this year. I expect him to get something similar to Dareus; 6 year, $95m with $20m or so of it bonus, $40-50m guaranteed.
That leaves us plenty for FA. We can get a guard or two, a safety if we like and some depth at other spots. It really is night and day Howie vs Chip in charge.
That leaves us plenty for FA. We can get a guard or two, a safety if we like and some depth at other spots. It really is night and day Howie vs Chip in charge.
massraider
Footballguy
Didn't see it mentioned, but absolute worst case, if the cut Sam next year, it's 9.5 in dead cap.
What I like about the deal is they have a decent to good QB for two years, at least, and that could be a bridge to a young guy. If they grab a young QB this year (or next), they don't need to throw him to the wolves. Also, if Bradford plays well, they have two years to work out extension. I'm not a Bradford guy, but I also am not 100% sure they can't win with him.
I like the deal.
What I like about the deal is they have a decent to good QB for two years, at least, and that could be a bridge to a young guy. If they grab a young QB this year (or next), they don't need to throw him to the wolves. Also, if Bradford plays well, they have two years to work out extension. I'm not a Bradford guy, but I also am not 100% sure they can't win with him.
I like the deal.
yeah...that's an incredible deal for Philly/ If Sam is the disaster expected by Insein and fantasycurse, they can get out in just one year without a huge cap hit. If he's mediocre as most expect, it's market value and Philly can go in any direction they want in a year or two. If he outplays it, there's still time to do a better deal or tag him in 2018.
I would think that no matter what you think of Bradford, you would be happy with this deal.
How come not Treadwell? He's dropped a bit and doesn't have blazing speed but I would think he'd be a great guy to have at #13.Bigboy10182000 said:
I feel like we should trade down unless someone is there that we really want. If we trade back and pick up a 2nd, then take Coleman/Treadwell in the 1st, then OL in the 2nd, OL in the 3rd, and BPA with other 3rd, I'd be stoked.
jon007
Footballguy
couldn't help myself.
Insein
Footballguy
Lots of good names in there. Osemele would be great but probably out of our price range. Brandon Brooks would be nice but sounds like he's going to probably stay in Houston. Schwartz would be awesome, would like to see us make a move on him.
Lol this would hold more weight if you weren't a fan of a team with Colin Kaepernick and Blaine Gabbert at QB. You have way bigger problems than we have. You should be crying in a Niners thread.I've voiced my opinions of this guy earlier in this thread and previously in the Rams thread. Guy accused me of fishing, just listing him off as a bottom 6 or 7 QB (and that doesn't take into account unknowns, who I didn't list, but would still take over him). As an overall number 1 pick and a gigantic bust, the criticism is gonna flow
I hate the Giants/Cowboys/Skins, so I like it when Philly is good, this guy is just a curse on a franchise.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Yeah, I wasn't thrilled at first. But now that the details are out, it's about the best the team could do without letting him test the market.
Howie did a good job in negotiating a contract that lets the agent puff out his chest while also giving the team an out.
Bigboy10182000 said:
Exactly. The money isn't ridiculous for this year and they have multiple options in play going forward. I would have preferred a little less money but, I'm happy with this deal.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
While it's probably an overpay based on what Bradford has accomplished thus far, it's actually pretty much the perfect contract based on the market and other options available to the team.Bigboy10182000 said:
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Wonder if this makes the Lynch at 13 more viable then before? Don't want to rush him in to starting year 1 - but give him 2 years to sit and learn, then come in?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I think all 3 are going to need that...IMHO, that's what's going to push them back further than people expect. None of them appear NFL ready from day 1
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
He would be a good addition too, no doubt. Some say he's dropping but he looks like he can play and runs pretty good routes already.
SwampDawg
Footballguy
I'm not sure how people are saying the Eagles can get out of this after one year unless they put the signing bonus all on this year. Otherwise wouldn't he count as 9.5 million in dead cap money next year if cut ? (5.5 from the signing bonus spread over two seasons and 4 guaranteed)Bigboy10182000 said:
massraider
Footballguy
You're exactly right.
Signing bonus is always pro-rated, if the bonus was for this year, it would be a roster bonus.
That 9.5 is a harsh but not devastating penalty for Eagles if they walk away. That 9.5 shows a bit of commitment to Sam from Philly, but allows them a way to save some money if everything falls apart.
Wentz looks the most NFL ready. Goff may need a little time but likely goes top 10 so won't be given much time at all.
Don't think this changes Paxton. At the end of the day, our best case scenario plan is for Sam to play great and extend him again. I think bigger needs at 13. Trade down and stock up on a great WR and lots of OL.
dhockster
Footballguy
Here's why I like this deal:
-$12.5 million cap hit this year. That gives the Eagles Flexibility to sign other players this year.
-If they have to get out of this deal after one year, say, due to injury or complete suckage by Bradford, they are only paying $2 million over the one year franchise tag, and they are able to spread the cap hit over two years, with a large, but not unmanageable dead money cap hit of $9.5.
-If Bradford is great this year and plays both years of his contract, his cap hits are $12.5 and $22.5 million which is not unreasonable for a top 10 QB (which I assume Bradford would be if he played great)
-If Bradford has an uptick in play because of being in his second year back from a major injury then the Eagles get the benefit of that. If they had let him walk, someone else would have gotten that benefit.
I am still skeptical of Bradford being a great QB. But based on the other options out there, and the fact that the Eagles didn't mortgage their future with a big long-term deal, I think they have put themselves in the best position to win right now.
-$12.5 million cap hit this year. That gives the Eagles Flexibility to sign other players this year.
-If they have to get out of this deal after one year, say, due to injury or complete suckage by Bradford, they are only paying $2 million over the one year franchise tag, and they are able to spread the cap hit over two years, with a large, but not unmanageable dead money cap hit of $9.5.
-If Bradford is great this year and plays both years of his contract, his cap hits are $12.5 and $22.5 million which is not unreasonable for a top 10 QB (which I assume Bradford would be if he played great)
-If Bradford has an uptick in play because of being in his second year back from a major injury then the Eagles get the benefit of that. If they had let him walk, someone else would have gotten that benefit.
I am still skeptical of Bradford being a great QB. But based on the other options out there, and the fact that the Eagles didn't mortgage their future with a big long-term deal, I think they have put themselves in the best position to win right now.
I agree. I have to say, I like every move the Eagles have made this offseason. All the guys they resigned, as well as the guys they let go. (Ryans, Cooper). I was thinking 18 million/per for Bradford, but thought they'd have to go 3 or 4 years. Having it only be two years is perfect. Since there are still questions about his ability to stay healthy and how good he actually can be if he can. Obviously, 2015 was not enough. With the way he looked uncomfortable early on, to all the drops, to the fact that defenses admitted they knew our plays before we ran them, there's just no way to accurately gauge where Bradford really is. We're going to know after this season. And if not, certainly after 2017. And we're onlt paying him as the #17 highest paid quarterback. Right in the middle. This was the best case scenario for Philly.
If Sam were to completely fall apart and Philly went with a rookie, it would still be significantly cheaper. 9.5 million in a single year might not be anything to sneeze at, but it wouldn't hamstring the franchise either, particularly if you keep in mind what taking it meant (that Sam failed and the team is already in a mountain of trouble)
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And that's scary that he seems the most ready given where he played in school. Goff and those small hands may be in some trouble lol
Ash
Footballguy
I like it for those reasons, but they basically have Bradford for a year, much cheaper than the franchise tag, with a team option for the 2nd year. Yes, it costs $9.5m to walk away after a year, but IMO the only reason they do that is if they draft a QB this year and want him to start next year.
What it does that is most valuable is let the team look at Bradford for a year with the option to extend him if they choose, or draft a QB of the future in this draft or the next without having to put him on the field immediately. They have complete flexibility to move forwards with Bradford or draft a replacement this year or next.
Howie's killing it so far this offseason. :knockonwood:
JAA
Footballguy
Fixed above
This post sums up my feelings. My position is I dont care about any dollar amount for 1 year. IMHO it is very easy to recover from 1 year of financial strain. Now, when you have 3+ years of strain, thats different.
I love the idea of this 1 year bloated deal which will still allow us to sign Cox to a multi year $100 million deal (~60 guaranteed). We can cut Sam if need be next year and still be under the total cap increase from just this season (~12.5).
love it love it love it
According to the New York Daily News' Gary Myers it was the Eagles who rejected Coughlin, and they did so because Coughlin spent the entire interview ripping his former team.
The interview was a disaster. Coughlin acted like a 20-year old whose girlfriend had dumped him and he was trying to make her jealous by dating her No. 1 enemy on the rebound. NFL sources say his hard feelings for the Giants came through loud and clear in the interview with the Eagles brain trust, which included owner Jeffrey Lurie, and he was obsessed with how he felt wronged by the Giants. He was not forthcoming about his plans for his staff. He came off more concerned with making the Giants look bad than being consumed with coaching the Eagles.
The interview was a disaster. Coughlin acted like a 20-year old whose girlfriend had dumped him and he was trying to make her jealous by dating her No. 1 enemy on the rebound. NFL sources say his hard feelings for the Giants came through loud and clear in the interview with the Eagles brain trust, which included owner Jeffrey Lurie, and he was obsessed with how he felt wronged by the Giants. He was not forthcoming about his plans for his staff. He came off more concerned with making the Giants look bad than being consumed with coaching the Eagles.
dhockster
Footballguy
Interesting. It definitely fits in with his "GET OFF MY LAWN!" cranky old man attitude that he carried with him on the sidelines.
Missed the presser, but caught up on some random notes on Twitter:
- "He's still on our to-do list. We want to get Fletcher done." Howie promises Eagles still have cap space for Cox
- Doug Pederson confirmed to reporters that the#Eagles will be keeping training camp in Philly (mostly) at the NovaCare Complex.
- Bradford says there was no consideration of following Chip Kelly to San Francisco#49ers #Eagles
- Bradford on the#Eagles WRs: "I think they're up to the challenge."
- Bradford: "I think my best days are ahead of me"
- Bradford said "it's a huge advantage" to not have to rehab this offseason.
- Bradford: I think we have a great group of guys in the locker room. That's who I wanted to take the field with on Sundays.
- Sam Bradford: This is where I wanted to be.
- Connor Barwin just did a quick promo for http://Eagles.com and during intro stressed position: "Connor Barwin,#Eagles DEFENSIVE END."
- Pederson: "Talking to Sam earlier today, I told him, 'This is your offense.'"
- Sam Bradford and Doug Pederson were able to talk some football during negotiations, but can't now until Ap. 4 when offseason program begins.
- Asked about reports that DeMarco Murray wants out of Philly, Doug Pederson said he hasn't spoken to him, but that he wants/expects him back.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/dave-spadaro/article-1/Pedersons-Message-Strikes-Winning-Tone/66fa2400-d826-49a8-a66b-392e85b46668
- "He's still on our to-do list. We want to get Fletcher done." Howie promises Eagles still have cap space for Cox
- Doug Pederson confirmed to reporters that the
- Bradford says there was no consideration of following Chip Kelly to San Francisco
- Bradford on the
- Bradford: "I think my best days are ahead of me"
- Bradford said "it's a huge advantage" to not have to rehab this offseason.
- Bradford: I think we have a great group of guys in the locker room. That's who I wanted to take the field with on Sundays.
- Sam Bradford: This is where I wanted to be.
- Connor Barwin just did a quick promo for http://Eagles.com and during intro stressed position: "Connor Barwin,
- Pederson: "Talking to Sam earlier today, I told him, 'This is your offense.'"
- Sam Bradford and Doug Pederson were able to talk some football during negotiations, but can't now until Ap. 4 when offseason program begins.
- Asked about reports that DeMarco Murray wants out of Philly, Doug Pederson said he hasn't spoken to him, but that he wants/expects him back.
http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/dave-spadaro/article-1/Pedersons-Message-Strikes-Winning-Tone/66fa2400-d826-49a8-a66b-392e85b46668
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Barwin, Curry and Graham at DE. I'm not sure how I feel about that right now. If they could add a Mario Williams to that group it would be awesome but we have a good bit of money tied up in the 3 I mentioned.
I think it's solid. Our Dline is going to be great next year. I think we'll go after Mario too, so it's gonna be scary good.
Terpman22
Footballguy
That was a lot of reading. Love everything that has happened and if we can add a veteran G and a safety - Weddle or Iloka work for me - if we don't bring Walt back. Get a T/G in the first and go BPA. The rest of the way. Our D line will definitely be our strength - can't wait to see Cox & Logan as penetrating pass rush DTs. Very excited.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Would love to see an Iloka signing but it wouldn't surprise me if Eagles get priced out on him - lot of teams with money to spend and he is one of the top safeties available. May have to settle for Tyvon Branch or Husain Abdullah, either one seem like decent alternatives. David Bruton is another intriguing option.
JAA
Footballguy
Thinking this through, didn't Mario Williams have one of his best years playing for Schwartz the one year he coached in Buf?
In addition, I can't believe Mario will be chasing money since he didn't have all that good of a season. That and he should have plenty already.
Putting those things together, doesn't Mario to Phi make a lot of sense? I know Mario to Mia is current, but they don't really have the cap space at the moment.
In addition, I can't believe Mario will be chasing money since he didn't have all that good of a season. That and he should have plenty already.
Putting those things together, doesn't Mario to Phi make a lot of sense? I know Mario to Mia is current, but they don't really have the cap space at the moment.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Yep. Osemele is going to get stupid money since he can play tackle also but Brandon Brooks is a good young target at guard. I'd also like Jahri Evans for some veteran stability in the inside of the line as well. If they can sign 2 guards that can be starters, Barbre doesn't look so bad as depth. Then we can truly go BPA. OT would be nice but you don't have to force it then.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Feels more like how I imaged Denver and Wade Phillips felt about Ware last season.
We have a good deal of loot tied up in DE's this season but you can justify the cost with Barwin, Curry and Graham being unproven DE's.
We have a good deal of loot tied up in DE's this season but you can justify the cost with Barwin, Curry and Graham being unproven DE's.
Insein
Footballguy
I don't think he will break the bank. A reasonable veteran contract could be fit in.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
With this being his last chance at a big contract I think he's going for money first. I just hope we give him some. We need a true DE who can rush the passer.Insein said:
I wont be upset if they pass though.
If we get Mario and Brooks I'll be happy. Then we can draft WR/OL/S with our 1st, 3rd, 3rd. Starting to warm up to Treadwell in the 1st if we get 1-2 OL in Free Agency.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
I don't see the Eagles landing Brooks - he's an upper-tier free agent guard, just a notch below Osemele, and he's going to get seriously paid this week. Too many teams flush with cap dollars. I think Howie targets multiple mid-tier FAs to address our needs at guard, strong safety and wide receiver. That would allow them to go BPA in the draft, with an eye toward further rebuilding the OL, improving depth across the board and adding a QB to develop.
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