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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)
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Skoo
Footballguy
Both Winston and Mariota played very well for rookie QBs. Seems like people expect everyone to be Joe Montana in year 1 these days or their labeled a bust. Pretty sure Peyton threw more INTs than TDs as a rookie.
Can't win in the NFL without a franchise QB, and they aren't easy to come by, as teams like Miami and Cleveland know all too well.
Insein
Footballguy
QB is everything. Winston and Mariota have that potential to be franchise guys. Getting them While they're young saves you the hassle of looking. Much more desirable than having to decide whether to franchise or sign a long term deal for a guy who's been often injured and only shown flashes of potential surrounded by a lot of mediocrity.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Re the Lovie question, I don't want him. The Tampa-2 doesn't work in today's NFL, just like whatever it is that Billy Davis runs.
he only has a job until the new HC is here and brings his guys in. Only remote chance he stays is if Shurmur gets the job.
Character-wise, I'd Take Bradford over Winston every day of the week. He seemed to be on his best behavior this season, which is a step in the right direction. Hopefully it's a maturation process. Something the idiot in Cleveland doesn't seem interested in doing. I did see a disturbing moment in the Thursday night game against the Rams. Winston looked like he lost his mind and had to be held back by a bunch of teammates because he didn't like a hit he took.im going to reserve judgement on him. On the field, he was very inconsistent. But that can be expected of a rookie quarterback. Mariota is going to be special.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
From Shefter
Eagles confirm they have interviewed Giants offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo for their head coach position today. Went very well.
Eagles confirm they have interviewed Giants offensive coordinator Ben McAdoo for their head coach position today. Went very well.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The more I read about him the more I like him.
Didn't realize this, but The Eagles attempted a 2point conversion a league low ZERO times this entire season. Most people expected that because it was Chip, and because the XP line was backed up, that Philly would lead the league in attempts. I would have at least expected more then 0!
Don't know much about him at all. Another guy with no HC experience though at any level, right? Also only an OC for 2 years. Not sure I'm sold but, again, I admit I know very very little on him.
If the whole "Miami will try to keep Gase from the Eagles" thing was from Gase's camp for bargaining purposes, I wonder if "McAdoo interview went very very well" was from our camp doing the same back at Gase.
We'd certainly beat the Giants twice next year if he was our HC, that's a plus.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Yeah no HC experience in college or NFL only HS. I like the offense he ran too. He hurried up but just to the line. He allows the QB to make reads. Now all we need is OBJ
I'm not really sold on him. Plus, I think the Giants hire him as their coach. Think maybe we were just getting some insight into his offense to help us prepare for them next year. I remember reading last year that that's apparently a pretty common thing to bring in a div opponents OC for an interview for that purpose alone.
Haha... just read this tweet about him:
#Eagles confirm they had a light lunch with Ben McAdoo, who drank unsweetened iced-t and wore his favorite Public Enemy t-shirt
Ash
Footballguy
I don't know, I wouldn't hate Lovie Smith as a DC. It didn't work out in Tampa and I don't follow them enough to have an opinion on why, but right up to the end of his tenure in Chicago their D was still Top 5 in points and takeaways. I can't say about Lovie, but Rod Marinelli as DC of the Cowboys this year is an old Tampa 2 guy as well but he doesn't run a pure version, there's lots of coverage wrinkles and rush stuff to account for more spread out Offenses, and it's worked reasonably well for them the last 2 years with less talent on D than what we have.
If they do end up hiring a young coach, he could lend some advice and experience the way Jim Johnson & Rod Dowhower did with Andy.
Ash
Footballguy
Solid play.
He did get Eli to stop throwing it to the good guys and that's reason enough to want him out of the division. Eli's had the best two seasons of his career since McAdoo got there, but Beckham arrived in 2014 as well, so not enough track record IMO to give him sole credit for Eli's improvement. McAdoo can't really take credit for Aaron Rodgers either. He might turn out to be legit though.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
If I were a HC I'm not interviewing for 8 hours lol
Ya that's a long ### time. I wonder how those all go down. Assuming lots of showing him around, introducing him to people. Probably a decently long lunch and maybe dinner too. Then a lot of formal chatting about what he plans to do here, and then some informal stuff just to get to know the guy and get a feel for him by building some rapport.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
You are looking to entrust someone with a billion-dollar enterprise. You certainly don't want to take it lightly.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Jon Gruden is interested in coaching the Eagles, according to Paul Domowitch. The Daily News columnist also said Doug Pederson was Jeffrey Lurie’s leading candidate among NFL assistant coaches before the search began. Here’s an excerpt from the story:
"Gruden is doing his biennial return-to-coaching tire-kicking. Whether he’s serious this time or just needs his ego massaged still is unclear.
But a league source told the Daily News that he has informed Lurie, through an intermediary, that he is interested in the Eagles' head-coaching job.
The source said that while Lurie likes and respects Gruden, who was the Eagles' offensive coordinator in 1997-98, he has reservations about the ESPN Monday Night Football analyst's ability/willingness to play nice with Roseman, who has returned to a seat of personnel power now that Chip Kelly is gone."
"Gruden is doing his biennial return-to-coaching tire-kicking. Whether he’s serious this time or just needs his ego massaged still is unclear.
But a league source told the Daily News that he has informed Lurie, through an intermediary, that he is interested in the Eagles' head-coaching job.
The source said that while Lurie likes and respects Gruden, who was the Eagles' offensive coordinator in 1997-98, he has reservations about the ESPN Monday Night Football analyst's ability/willingness to play nice with Roseman, who has returned to a seat of personnel power now that Chip Kelly is gone."
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GoBirds
Footballguy
How brutal would the commentators be for each Redskins game ugh. At least we would have the good Gruden.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Domo killing it in his column today: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/364586031.html#FzWdqWkOC8cDJkMh.99
Re-sign SamMuch like scotch, Sam Bradford is an acquired taste. Or at least he has been for Eagles fans this season.
At the beginning of the season, there was very little enthusiasm for the guy. He was coming off his second ACL tear and was adjusting to yet another new offensive system and a whole new cast of teammates.
For most of the first half of the year, his play, like that of the entire offense, was inconsistent. But then he found his stride.
Bradford's 97.4 passer rating over his last seven starts was the eighth-best mark in the league over the last nine weeks of the season (he missed two games with a concussion and shoulder injury).
The only seven quarterbacks with higher passer ratings over that period: Russell Wilson (119.6), Kirk Cousins (117.7), Cam Newton (115.0), Drew Brees (106.3), Matthew Stafford (105.1), Carson Palmer (101.2) and Alex Smith (100.8).
His 100.7 third-down passer rating in his last seven starts was the sixth best in the league, behind only Wilson (128.3), Cousins (118.5), Newton (116.5), Palmer (116.1) and Teddy Bridgewater (104.2).
Third down was one of two areas in which Bradford dramatically improved in the second half of the season. His third-down numbers in his first seven starts were abysmal - a 47.9 completion percentage, a league-low 4.04 yards per attempt and a 51.8 rating. Just 25.3 percent of his third-down attempts resulted in first downs.
In his last seven starts, however, he had a 62.2 third-down completion percentage and averaged 6.9 yards per attempt. Thirty-one of his 74 third-down pass attempts, or 41.9 percent, went for first downs in those seven games.
LAST 7 STARTS................FIRST 7 STARTS
Comp Pct. YPA TD-INT Rate/Comp. Pct. YPA TD-INT Rate
1ST DOWN 69.9 8.5 4-2 100.4/ 65.8 6.7 4-6 74.7
2nd DOWN 73.7 7.2 2-2 91.4/ 69.9 8.1 3-2 96.1
3rd DOWN 62.2 6.9 4-0 100.7/ 47.9 4.0 1-2 51.8
OVERALL 68.5 7.6 10-4 97.4/ 62.0 6.4 9-10 76.3
The other area that Bradford showed night-and-day improvement over his last seven starts was in his intermediate passing. According to Pro Football Focus, he had a 129.7 passer rating on throws of 10 to 19 yards in his last seven games. Completed an impressive 72.6 percent of his throws from that distance and averaged 14.6 yards per attempt. Had seven touchdowns and three interceptions.
In his first seven starts, Bradford's passer rating on throws of 10 to 19 yards was just 48.0. Had a 40.4 passer rating and averaged 7.8 yards per attempt. Three touchdowns and six interceptions.
In my mind, there is absolutely no doubt that the Eagles should re-sign Bradford to a long-term contract. And if they can't get a deal done by the end of February, I would put the franchise tag on him while I continued negotiating with his agent, Tom Condon.
I know he has a 25-37-1 career record as a starter.
I know he's never taken a team to the playoffs.
And I know he's missed 33 of 96 games with injuries, including 25 with two ACL tears.
But one of the few things I agreed with Chip Kelly on was that Bradford can be a franchise quarterback.
There are people I respect, people like former Eagles linebacker and current 94WIP afternoon co-host Ike Reese, who don't feel Bradford has proven he's worth the money it's going to take to sign him.
But good quarterbacks don't grow on trees. I mean, does anybody around here really have the stomach to watch Mark Sanchez start 16 games next season?
Are you willing to gamble on RGIII or suffer through the growing pains of a rookie quarterback or sign one of the other more affordable free agents-to-be not named Bradford, like Matt Cassel or Matt Schaub or Chad Henne or . . . Michael Vick? Or, I got an idea. How about they do a trade-back for Nick Foles?
Take a gander at the contracts of the league's quarterbacks. None of them come cheap. Not the great ones or the not-so-great ones. There currently are 19 QBs who have a 2016 cap number of $15 million or more, including nine at $20 million-plus.
The cap is going to take another fairly significant jump in 2016. And if you look at most of the top quarterback deals that have been done in the last couple of years, the deal usually is structured so that the first year includes a much lower cap number than the rest of the deal.
The new four-year, $87.6 million deal Russell Wilson signed with the Seahawks in July included a $7 million cap number this year. Carson Palmer's cap number last year after he signed his three-year, $49.5 million extension with the Cardinals was $7.4 million.
So re-signing Bradford isn't going to rob the Eagles of their cap flexibility.
Re-sign SamMuch like scotch, Sam Bradford is an acquired taste. Or at least he has been for Eagles fans this season.
At the beginning of the season, there was very little enthusiasm for the guy. He was coming off his second ACL tear and was adjusting to yet another new offensive system and a whole new cast of teammates.
For most of the first half of the year, his play, like that of the entire offense, was inconsistent. But then he found his stride.
Bradford's 97.4 passer rating over his last seven starts was the eighth-best mark in the league over the last nine weeks of the season (he missed two games with a concussion and shoulder injury).
The only seven quarterbacks with higher passer ratings over that period: Russell Wilson (119.6), Kirk Cousins (117.7), Cam Newton (115.0), Drew Brees (106.3), Matthew Stafford (105.1), Carson Palmer (101.2) and Alex Smith (100.8).
His 100.7 third-down passer rating in his last seven starts was the sixth best in the league, behind only Wilson (128.3), Cousins (118.5), Newton (116.5), Palmer (116.1) and Teddy Bridgewater (104.2).
Third down was one of two areas in which Bradford dramatically improved in the second half of the season. His third-down numbers in his first seven starts were abysmal - a 47.9 completion percentage, a league-low 4.04 yards per attempt and a 51.8 rating. Just 25.3 percent of his third-down attempts resulted in first downs.
In his last seven starts, however, he had a 62.2 third-down completion percentage and averaged 6.9 yards per attempt. Thirty-one of his 74 third-down pass attempts, or 41.9 percent, went for first downs in those seven games.
LAST 7 STARTS................FIRST 7 STARTS
Comp Pct. YPA TD-INT Rate/Comp. Pct. YPA TD-INT Rate
1ST DOWN 69.9 8.5 4-2 100.4/ 65.8 6.7 4-6 74.7
2nd DOWN 73.7 7.2 2-2 91.4/ 69.9 8.1 3-2 96.1
3rd DOWN 62.2 6.9 4-0 100.7/ 47.9 4.0 1-2 51.8
OVERALL 68.5 7.6 10-4 97.4/ 62.0 6.4 9-10 76.3
The other area that Bradford showed night-and-day improvement over his last seven starts was in his intermediate passing. According to Pro Football Focus, he had a 129.7 passer rating on throws of 10 to 19 yards in his last seven games. Completed an impressive 72.6 percent of his throws from that distance and averaged 14.6 yards per attempt. Had seven touchdowns and three interceptions.
In his first seven starts, Bradford's passer rating on throws of 10 to 19 yards was just 48.0. Had a 40.4 passer rating and averaged 7.8 yards per attempt. Three touchdowns and six interceptions.
In my mind, there is absolutely no doubt that the Eagles should re-sign Bradford to a long-term contract. And if they can't get a deal done by the end of February, I would put the franchise tag on him while I continued negotiating with his agent, Tom Condon.
I know he has a 25-37-1 career record as a starter.
I know he's never taken a team to the playoffs.
And I know he's missed 33 of 96 games with injuries, including 25 with two ACL tears.
But one of the few things I agreed with Chip Kelly on was that Bradford can be a franchise quarterback.
There are people I respect, people like former Eagles linebacker and current 94WIP afternoon co-host Ike Reese, who don't feel Bradford has proven he's worth the money it's going to take to sign him.
But good quarterbacks don't grow on trees. I mean, does anybody around here really have the stomach to watch Mark Sanchez start 16 games next season?
Are you willing to gamble on RGIII or suffer through the growing pains of a rookie quarterback or sign one of the other more affordable free agents-to-be not named Bradford, like Matt Cassel or Matt Schaub or Chad Henne or . . . Michael Vick? Or, I got an idea. How about they do a trade-back for Nick Foles?
Take a gander at the contracts of the league's quarterbacks. None of them come cheap. Not the great ones or the not-so-great ones. There currently are 19 QBs who have a 2016 cap number of $15 million or more, including nine at $20 million-plus.
The cap is going to take another fairly significant jump in 2016. And if you look at most of the top quarterback deals that have been done in the last couple of years, the deal usually is structured so that the first year includes a much lower cap number than the rest of the deal.
The new four-year, $87.6 million deal Russell Wilson signed with the Seahawks in July included a $7 million cap number this year. Carson Palmer's cap number last year after he signed his three-year, $49.5 million extension with the Cardinals was $7.4 million.
So re-signing Bradford isn't going to rob the Eagles of their cap flexibility.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Not just cause I mentioned him as a dark-horse candidate but I feel like this is real and bears watching IMO. I think if he's serious he's a shoe-in to be our HC
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
At this stage of our team what would not be to like? His credibility cures the locker room issues, he's an offensive guy, familiar with the area having coached here, has a no nonsense attitude and surely has well enough connections to assemble a decent staff. If he's serious there won't be any of this "Howie in the way" crap. He'd be our HC IMHO
This is nuts haha. Never in a million years did I think he would seriously want to come out of the booth. I don't know how excited to be about it if he does want to coach here though. Thing is, he's going to have to have already contacted Lurie, or contact him in the next few days. Because if he doesn't come in for an official interview by the time Gase gets back here Sat/Sunday, it won't happen.
Unless of course Lurie pulls another Gus Bradley/Chip Kelly on Gase.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
The news Gase was coming back Sat/Sun were false. No second interview scheduled at this time. Gase met with MIA today, NYG tomorrow. We next have Pederson on Sunday, whether KC wins or loses.
They weren't "false". Everything I've read is that they ARE bringing him back for a 2nd interview, it just hasn't been scheduled yet. I'm sure he'll be back in Philly by Monday unless another team signs him or we sign someone else.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
The reports Gase is coming back Sat/Sun were false. Yes, he impressed Lurie et Al. Yes, they want to see him again at some point... but these 'news sources' jump the gun and continue to put out faulty info and bad timelines. It was Saturday. Then Sunday. Then 'sometime this weekend.' Now it's sometime next week. Impossible to confirm anything before reporting it, apparently.
And now, Eskin reached out to Gruden, who completely denied he has interest in the Philly job. https://twitter.com/howardeskin/status/685288629879607296?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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modogg
Footballguy
i think that is Lurie simply appeasing the fan base as well. What did Chip say last year, something like "we are Philadelphia, we fight!". Sure it brought a smile to my face too, but if we are looking for a coach to simply reference the shore or something we are in worse shape than the Browns
Ya I never got the Gruden stuff.
I think if he makes it back to us for interview 2 then he's going to be signed. But NYG could easily swoop in. Although I think they may be a little worried about us taking their OC so they may rush to sign him.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Id love gruden.
modogg
Footballguy
well the good news is that who they hire as head coach will probably not have a ton to say about this. I get some of the guy's wanting what Chip wanted with all the control, but i also respect the guys who really focus on the coaching aspect and simply work with the GM can bring in. I heard with Gase that he is one of those guys (i.e. wants to just coach and not control personnel) and one of the theories on why he is the hot coach this year is because plenty of GMs are fine bringing in him to interview because they aren't a threat to their job at all. Imagine if Chip would have said from the start he wanted more control of personnel, it would take a really confident GM or personel guy to bring him in for an interview knowing they can lose their job in 6 months or so
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Beat writers down here saying Miami was in no hurry to sign him, didn't lock him in a room, did nothing to indicate they want him to stop interviewing. Miami has interviews on Friday and then flying to meet Hue Jackson in Cinci on Sunday.
Reading reports on Joh Gruden expressing a lot of interest in the job. Sure you all know that already.
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Ya, apparently the Gruden rumour has been out there then already denied by him himself.
Strange how that news came out about them aggressively pursuing him. Not sure if it's a bad sign that they let him leave and he's just not that impressive, or what the deal is. Hope to have him back for at least a 2nd.
fatness
Footballguy
haha likely not.I agree, except for one thing: do you think all of you could agree on someone?
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
And one more thing, the Sunday interview with Jackson to take place in Cinci, Miami already met the Rooney Rule so this is not a required interview. I believe they are going and have every intention if he interviews well to leave Cinci with a hand shake/or him if Bengals lose.
Jackson did wonders for Dalton it appears, wonder if he could do something similar with THill. Good luck to you guys, hope you all find a guy you like. I think the coaching change will help but I also think Chip did some serious damage. Nothing you cannot recover from but there has to be a next guy after Bradford. Not telling you anything you don't already know but I just do not see him being your answer. QBs are likely to not going top5 this year but there are some good arms coming out of college. Things change quickly in the NFL, Lurie will give them the resources to retool quickly.
Ash
Footballguy
Negative, Ghost Rider.
Gruden is so overrated I don't know where to start. Doesn't teach young players, the closest he came to developing a QB was Rich Gannon's late career surge in Oakland and his teams were always full of veterans on their last legs. Won his Superbowl on Tony Dungy's fumes and consistently put a mediocre (or worse) Offense on the field in Tampa even though he had the help of a perennial Top 5 D.
Was a good X & O guy, some of my first understanding of scheming matchups by motion & formation came from watching Gruden work Ricky Watters into coverage by slow LBs in the passing game but still wouldn't crack my Top 30 in coaching options right now.
Ash
Footballguy
You can't trust anything anybody says right now basically. If you're the Eagles and you are pursuing Gase (or anybody) aggressively, you don't want it known because they don't want to be perceived as being rejected if he goes elsewhere and you don't want other candidates feeling like they were second choice.
ETA: And if you're any candidate, you don't want to be seen to favour a particular team because it affects your bargaining leverage and other teams don't want to feel like they weren't your first choice.
Anything that shows up in the media right now is serving a purpose for somebody, true or not.
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other than the Giants, Bradford is the best quarterback option for any coach looking to take over one of the teams with a vacancy. He was the 8th highest ranked QB in the league in his last 8 games played. Staying healthy is the key for him. And he's only 28.
Psst, Junior...
https://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?/topic/712353-gronk-mania/page-8
start reading from post #372.
loser.
I'll pass, but thanks Precious.Ok, curiosity got the best of me and I clicked on your link. Why are you linking me, or anyone else, to a Gronkowski thread that I'm not even involved in and a bunch of guys are making fun of you?
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Insein
Footballguy
he must have confused me with someone else. Never heard of that guy.Although I'll admit, when he called me loser, I figured he knew me. LolI was wondering that myself.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Yeah I clicked on the link and have no clue why he called you out. Based on his posts in that thread, he should be receiving a timeout shortly.he must have confused me with someone else. Never heard of that guy.Although I'll admit, when he called me loser, I figured he knew me. LolI was wondering that myself.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
I didn't like what he did in Tampa after they won the SB. They got worse every year and he insisted on giving lots of playing time to vets past their prime. If we were getting the guy with fresh ideas from his Raiders tenure, that would be one thing, but I doubt that would be the case.
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