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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)

Looking over the roster I think our skill position players are far more suited for a system like Peterson's than they ever were for Kelly

 
Deamon said:
JetMaxx said:
I would have no problem picking a QB in the first round if one of the prospects grades out as justifiable. Signing Daniels as a stop gap. Use money saved on Bradford to build elsewhere.
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Again, Goff won't fall to us. To take another QB reach and hope we can groom him to a starter would be a disaster. If you think fans are mad now, imagine if we draft a 1st round QB, let Sam walk, and win 5 games. The hating on him bandwagon was for the short-sighted. There is no imaginable way that keeping Sam isn't going to make our team better next year. We have way bigger needs in round 1.
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This. We are going to have to pay to keep Bradford. He's going to be a hot commodity. He's certainly not an elite QB, but he's shown he has top 10-12 potential. And some of those ahead of him (Eli, Rivers, Palmer, Brees) have way less years left than he does. He's going to be costly.

Of course injuries are a concern, but his knees held up fine. He missed two and a half games. Because of a sprained shoulder on a sack where he landed directly on it with a 275 lb lineman on him. That's an injury to every quarterback. With bums like Tannehill and Cutler making over 20 mill/per, you can bet Bradford is going to get that. Or very close. And if we don't pay it, a team like Houston gladly will. And we'll be starting Sanchez and winning 3 games.

 
And if we do pick a QB in round 1 I'd still want us to sign Sam anyway. IMO there's 4 QB's going in round 1 and if we stay at 13 (I don't think we will) we'll have a shot at possible getting the #2 QB off of the board

 
dhockster said:
thayman said:
I like Pederson for you guys. Way better than Coughlin. Young and seems like he's got a good report with players but commands respect.

Is there any concern that seemingly staff is in place/getting set up around him and he won't pick his own Coordinators?
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My guess is the talk of coordinators is premature (as in they haven't hired them yet) or Pederson is having input into who is actually getting hired. I think Lurie is smart enough not to try and hire people who will work for the coach without the coach having input.

I think we can agree that Pederson has a good offensive mind and is a good OC. Does that mean he will be a good head coach? We don't know. Some Coordinators become great head coaches, some are terrible head coaches and should have never been a head coach because they could never stop just coaching one side of the ball.

Hiring an NFL coordinator means you have someone who understands coaching NFL Players. Hiring a college head coach means you have someone who understands coaching a whole team. There are pros and cons to both. Let's hope Pederson is smart enough to know that he has to coach all 53 guys and not just the guys on the offensive side of the ball.
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I was happy to see Coughlin pull out. I've met Lurie a few times and he's incredibly nice (even to Redskins fans). I always liked how he goes after the new hire rather than retreads and it's nice to see Pederson get an opportunity.
 
Draft the best Tackle at 13 or trade back and still get an OT maybe pick up a late 2nd. Take a QB for the 3rd string to develop in 3rd or 4th round or maybe draft two late and develop them. But basically go BPA. I'm really interested to see what Howie can do with personnel control again.

 
modogg said:
i think the only thing that would make me disappointed is if they signed Bradford to a long, expensive contract. everything i am reading makes it sound like money will be a big push for him, but i really don't want to lock in long-term money on him at this point. I think franchising makes sense, but you really hurt your ability to make any other adjustments or moves this off-season. could leave us with Bradford for a 1-year assessment and a crappy OL that will never let us see what Bradford can do.

but here is another option that i know was mentioned in here before, that i would like to see:

Chase Daniel

Assuming Bradford is gone, the Eagles are going to need a new veteran. And wouldn't it be funny if Doug Pederson signed his own version of Doug Pederson? That player would be none other than current Chiefs backup quarterback Chase Daniel. The 29-year-old Daniel is scheduled to be a free agent after the season. Pederson could sell Daniel on the idea of getting a chance to be the starter in Philadelphia.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying Daniel is likely the Eagles' next franchise quarterback. Through six NFL seasons, he's only started two games. He's completed 64.9% of his passes for 464 yards, one touchdown, one interception, and a 80.2 rating. The appeal is that he's an inexpensive placeholder who is familiar with Pederson's offense. In the best case scenario, he wins the Eagles' quarterback job and proves to be good starter. In the most realistic scenario, he starts some games and allows the team to groom a young quarterback behind him, similar to how Pederson started over Donovan McNabb in 1999.

It all depends on what Doug thinks, but if he worked with him for a bit and thinks he can be a good piece for a few years while we look for a long-term option, i am ok with that
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Daniel seems like a mildly interesting option, given pederson's connection. I feel like I've read a couple good things about him here and there. Though you would think that Andy might have given him the chance offer Alex smith if he were good enough. But on a low contract along with a plan for the future, it's not be the worst situation.

 
need2know said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
And if we do pick a QB in round 1 I'd still want us to sign Sam anyway. IMO there's 4 QB's going in round 1 and if we stay at 13 (I don't think we will) we'll have a shot at possible getting the #2 QB off of the board
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You think we trade back?
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Just a feeling. We really need some depth and need to bring in a bunch of guys. JMO

There's so much we could use help with we could just go BPA though

 
i like the last sentence in this speculaltion for Chip:

49ers coach Chip Kelly could target Browns OC John DeFilippo as his offensive coordinator.
The Browns have yet to let DeFilippo out of his contract, but the 49ers have interest based on his ties to Kelly and CEO Jed York. In many respects, DeFilippo made wine out of water this season in Cleveland considering the Browns' talent deficiencies. The San Francisco Chronicle also speculates Kelly could bring Eagles DC Billy Davis to replace Eric Mangini.
 
modogg said:
i like the last sentence in this speculaltion for Chip:

49ers coach Chip Kelly could target Browns OC John DeFilippo as his offensive coordinator.

The Browns have yet to let DeFilippo out of his contract, but the 49ers have interest based on his ties to Kelly and CEO Jed York. In many respects, DeFilippo made wine out of water this season in Cleveland considering the Browns' talent deficiencies. The San Francisco Chronicle also speculates Kelly could bring Eagles DC Billy Davis to replace Eric Mangini.
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He was DC before there. They'll remember him quickly.

 
JuniorNB said:
modogg said:
i think the only thing that would make me disappointed is if they signed Bradford to a long, expensive contract. everything i am reading makes it sound like money will be a big push for him, but i really don't want to lock in long-term money on him at this point. I think franchising makes sense, but you really hurt your ability to make any other adjustments or moves this off-season. could leave us with Bradford for a 1-year assessment and a crappy OL that will never let us see what Bradford can do.

but here is another option that i know was mentioned in here before, that i would like to see:

Chase Daniel

Assuming Bradford is gone, the Eagles are going to need a new veteran. And wouldn't it be funny if Doug Pederson signed his own version of Doug Pederson? That player would be none other than current Chiefs backup quarterback Chase Daniel. The 29-year-old Daniel is scheduled to be a free agent after the season. Pederson could sell Daniel on the idea of getting a chance to be the starter in Philadelphia.

Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying Daniel is likely the Eagles' next franchise quarterback. Through six NFL seasons, he's only started two games. He's completed 64.9% of his passes for 464 yards, one touchdown, one interception, and a 80.2 rating. The appeal is that he's an inexpensive placeholder who is familiar with Pederson's offense. In the best case scenario, he wins the Eagles' quarterback job and proves to be good starter. In the most realistic scenario, he starts some games and allows the team to groom a young quarterback behind him, similar to how Pederson started over Donovan McNabb in 1999.

It all depends on what Doug thinks, but if he worked with him for a bit and thinks he can be a good piece for a few years while we look for a long-term option, i am ok with that
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Peterson knows this town well enough to know that he needs Bradford more than Bradford needs him. If Peterson doesn't AT LEAST win the same amount of games that Chip did this past year, this town will have his head on a swivel. Eagle fans, and the horrible WIP station, would never get behind a rebuild. If the Eagles roll out Sanchez or Hoyer or Daniels or some other free agent because they were cheap, Peterson gets one, maybe two years, tops.
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This assumes Lurie cares what the fans and media think. I don't think he does.

He didn't fire Chip because the fans and media hated him. He fired Chip because Chip's way of doing things pissed everyone in the organization off.

 
Insein said:
modogg said:
i like the last sentence in this speculaltion for Chip:

49ers coach Chip Kelly could target Browns OC John DeFilippo as his offensive coordinator.

The Browns have yet to let DeFilippo out of his contract, but the 49ers have interest based on his ties to Kelly and CEO Jed York. In many respects, DeFilippo made wine out of water this season in Cleveland considering the Browns' talent deficiencies. The San Francisco Chronicle also speculates Kelly could bring Eagles DC Billy Davis to replace Eric Mangini.
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He was DC before there. They'll remember him quickly.
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If this happens I would have to cheer against the 49ers really hard. If Kelly and Billy have success in San Fran that would be salt in the wounds. Would hope they pulled it together for the Dallas game and only the Dallas game though.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Sports Illustrated Don Banks reporting that the Eagles did talk to Jim Schwarz about DC
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I'd be OK with this. He has that crazy attitude that's perfect for a DC but terrible as a HC. His defensive players love him and play nasty. Just doesn't translate well when you try to run a whole team.

 
Man, smash piece after smash piece on Birds 24/7, BGN and Philly guys I follow on Twitter...I get it, the media hates the hire. Lurie is a bad owner. Roseman stinks. He's a tyrant wearing a crown with green emeralds. Doug Pederson is a horrible choice. Unreal the level of negativity expressed this AM while reading the Saturday Philly sports news. One went as far as to say the Eagles were the 'caboose' of the Philly sports teams, with even the 76ers following a better trajectory. (At least they are trying something new, as opposed to going back to Reid and Roseman).

1999 - What was it like when Reid was hired? http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=185220032

FWIW I'm luke warm to the Pederson hire. But let's at least see the staff he assembles and get a look at what he's doing personnel-wise, at a minimum. Why is it crazy to hire the OC from a playoff team one win from the AFCCG, on an 11 game win streak, that finished 9th in PPG and 6th in rush ypg this year without their star running back, and Alex Smith at QB? And I like Smith, mind you, but he's not elite, and the passing game is weak. Oh, and Pederson handling the play calling for the two-minute and hurry-up offense doesn't hurt.

Bottom line is that KC is running and scoring at a great clip. They have won all the games they have played in the last 3+ months, behind a real good defense under Sutton and a very strong, mistake free run-heavy offensive game under Reid and Doug Pederson. He has history in this city as a player and coach, and rapport with the front office from that time. They obviously all believe they can work well together. Personality a plus. Not a bad hire. Will it be good?

Let it breathe.

 
Ruben Frank today. Burn, Howie, burn.

"Everybody knows Howie is holding back the organization," an NFL front-office executive said earlier this week. "Everybody but one person. And that person is the only one who matters. Jeffrey Lurie. He just doesn’t see it."


Some other highlights:

The franchise’s decline directly follows Howie Roseman’s rise to power.
Roseman has been general manager since 2010, minus last year, when Chip Kelly had the power. These have been dark days, filled with coaching turnover, quarterback instability, poor to average drafts and free agency catastrophes.
And precisely zero playoff wins.
Roseman is one of the most curious people to ever work for the
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/philadelphia-eaglesEagles
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/philadelphia-eagles. His track record is spotty, but he has Lurie convinced he’s some sort of boy wonder who can do no wrong. Lurie even fired Banner, his closest friend, in order to give Roseman even more power.
I predicted a couple weeks ago that the top coaching candidates would reject the Eagles because people league-wide just don’t want to work with Roseman. And here we are two weeks later with a guy coaching the Eagles who seven years ago was a high school coach in Louisiana.
 
It doesn't matter who we hired as a HC. The narrative was written for each and every possible candidate.

They don't have Chip the GM to burry anymore so it's on to the next one.

 
Was just reading how both Jaws and Polian were involved in the process. I'm fine with seeing how it plays out but if he doesn't deliver while Chip does it won't be pretty.

 
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Bigboy10182000 said:
It doesn't matter who we hired as a HC. The narrative was written for each and every possible candidate.

They don't have Chip the GM to burry anymore so it's on to the next one.
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Exactly. Can you even think of a single hire that wouldn't be roasted by Philly media/radio? As much as it's blowing up with negativity now, I'm willing to bet it would be much worse if we hired Coughlin or Shurmur. Maybe even just as bad if we got Gase or McAdoo. We could lose the SB in 5 OT's and the fans would be in an uproar saying how they would have done it better if they were in charge.

 
Mighty Mice said:
Ruben Frank today. Burn, Howie, burn.

"Everybody knows Howie is holding back the organization," an NFL front-office executive said earlier this week. "Everybody but one person. And that person is the only one who matters. Jeffrey Lurie. He just doesn’t see it."


Some other highlights:

The franchise’s decline directly follows Howie Roseman’s rise to power.
Roseman has been general manager since 2010, minus last year, when Chip Kelly had the power. These have been dark days, filled with coaching turnover, quarterback instability, poor to average drafts and free agency catastrophes.
And precisely zero playoff wins.
Roseman is one of the most curious people to ever work for the
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/philadelphia-eaglesEagles
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/philadelphia-eagles. His track record is spotty, but he has Lurie convinced he’s some sort of boy wonder who can do no wrong. Lurie even fired Banner, his closest friend, in order to give Roseman even more power.
I predicted a couple weeks ago that the top coaching candidates would reject the Eagles because people league-wide just don’t want to work with Roseman. And here we are two weeks later with a guy coaching the Eagles who seven years ago was a high school coach in Louisiana.
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I do kind of lean toward this POV. We shall see.

Unrelated, but I didn't realize until today that Gamble had gone back to SF. Interesting.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Mighty Mice said:
Ruben Frank today. Burn, Howie, burn.

"Everybody knows Howie is holding back the organization," an NFL front-office executive said earlier this week. "Everybody but one person. And that person is the only one who matters. Jeffrey Lurie. He just doesnt see it."

Some other highlights:

The franchises decline directly follows Howie Rosemans rise to power.

Roseman has been general manager since 2010, minus last year, when Chip Kelly had the power. These have been dark days, filled with coaching turnover, quarterback instability, poor to average drafts and free agency catastrophes.

And precisely zero playoff wins.

Roseman is one of the most curious people to ever work for the Eagles. His track record is spotty, but he has Lurie convinced hes some sort of boy wonder who can do no wrong. Lurie even fired Banner, his closest friend, in order to give Roseman even more power.

I predicted a couple weeks ago that the top coaching candidates would reject the Eagles because people league-wide just dont want to work with Roseman. And here we are two weeks later with a guy coaching the Eagles who seven years ago was a high school coach in Louisiana.
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I do kind of lean toward this POV. We shall see.

Unrelated, but I didn't realize until today that Gamble had gone back to SF. Interesting.
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I strongly lean that way.

This next 3-4 years will be critical IMO if finding out once and for all if Lurie/Roseman are doing this right.

 
Ray Didinger on the radio today said Doug Pederson has the thinnest resume of any Head Coach hired in the NFL that he can recall. Very telling.

Don't think Pederson can be judged yet since he hasn't coached a down but the process the Eagles went through can be criticized. Their exhaustive search included a grand total of 6 candidates and 1 seemingly desperate phone call. All offensive coaches interviewed, no defensive guys. Not sure how that can be considered an exhaustive search.

I think Pederson was the guy all along and the other candidates were window dressing/test to see if they were better than Doug. I personally would have like to have seen Sean McDermott get an interview.

For the Eagles sake, this hire better work out or the fans may burn the Novacare Complex down.

 
Deamon said:
Bigboy10182000 said:
It doesn't matter who we hired as a HC. The narrative was written for each and every possible candidate.

They don't have Chip the GM to burry anymore so it's on to the next one.
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Exactly. Can you even think of a single hire that wouldn't be roasted by Philly media/radio? As much as it's blowing up with negativity now, I'm willing to bet it would be much worse if we hired Coughlin or Shurmur. Maybe even just as bad if we got Gase or McAdoo. We could lose the SB in 5 OT's and the fans would be in an uproar saying how they would have done it better if they were in charge.
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Gruden or Cowher because the media in this town are so far stuck up their own asses they can't impartially evaluate anything.

 
Mighty Mice said:
Long Ball Larry said:
Mighty Mice said:
Ruben Frank today. Burn, Howie, burn.

"Everybody knows Howie is holding back the organization," an NFL front-office executive said earlier this week. "Everybody but one person. And that person is the only one who matters. Jeffrey Lurie. He just doesnt see it."

Some other highlights:

The franchises decline directly follows Howie Rosemans rise to power.

Roseman has been general manager since 2010, minus last year, when Chip Kelly had the power. These have been dark days, filled with coaching turnover, quarterback instability, poor to average drafts and free agency catastrophes.

And precisely zero playoff wins.

Roseman is one of the most curious people to ever work for the Eagles. His track record is spotty, but he has Lurie convinced hes some sort of boy wonder who can do no wrong. Lurie even fired Banner, his closest friend, in order to give Roseman even more power.

I predicted a couple weeks ago that the top coaching candidates would reject the Eagles because people league-wide just dont want to work with Roseman. And here we are two weeks later with a guy coaching the Eagles who seven years ago was a high school coach in Louisiana.
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I do kind of lean toward this POV. We shall see.

Unrelated, but I didn't realize until today that Gamble had gone back to SF. Interesting.
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I strongly lean that way. This next 3-4 years will be critical IMO if finding out once and for all if Lurie/Roseman are doing this right.
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And if it fails in 3-4 years all those idiots in the media can give a nice loud I told you so. But they all need to turn off their hater goggles and let the thing play out.

 
This OC is going to be a HC?

He plays small ball, that does not seem like an Eagles offense.

 
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Biabreakable said:
It seems like the Eagles should have just kept Andy Reid instead of hiring one of his protegees.
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There is a narrative that Jeff is really feeling wistful about his time with Andy in the wake of all this Chip stuff, which is influencing his thought process. I think most fans agree that everything had just gotten stale and bottomed out with Andy and he just needed a change, but I do wonder if there could have been a Cowher-esque resurgence.

Honestly, I have been thinking, why didn't he just get Bob Sutton to come Philadelphia and then maybe everything would have been fixed?

 
cheeseypoof said:
I really hope Doug Pederson didn't learn clock management skills from Andy Reid. Still terrible.
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Just thinking that, holy crap. Slowest 'hurry up' drive I've ever seen.

Over a 5 minute drive. Would have been perfect, if they weren't down by TWO touchdowns.

 
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The unrelenting negativity of the Philly sports writers has been something to see. Of course if Pederson comes in and goes 12-4 they'll all write about what a bold gambit it was for Howie and Lurie to hire him.

 
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