*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (2 Viewers)

[Insein]

I don't get what comparing salaries from many years ago does here......the cap goes up every year and so do salaries. Of course a 2016 salary will look alot higher.

What year was Tom Brady in last year?

Someone post a good article.....something else....please.

Brady's cap number was also only $9mil last year.

Cap hits are easily adjusted.

I misspoke. Tom's salary last year was $9mil putting him at 21st for annual Salary behind Nick Foles. He's scheduled to make $10mil this year. He signed a deal in 2011 that paid him $5.75m, $950k, $1m, $2m, $8m, $9m, $10m a year. He wants to win and doesn't want his salary hindering the team.

 

[JuniorNB]

I don't get what comparing salaries from many years ago does here......the cap goes up every year and so do salaries. Of course a 2016 salary will look alot higher.

What year was Tom Brady in last year?

Someone post a good article.....something else....please.

Brady's cap number was also only $9mil last year.

Cap hits are easily adjusted.

I misspoke. Tom's salary last year was $9mil putting him at 21st for annual Salary behind Nick Foles. He's scheduled to make $10mil this year. He signed a deal in 2011 that paid him $5.75m, $950k, $1m, $2m, $8m, $9m, $10m a year. He wants to win and doesn't want his salary hindering the team.

Tom Brady makes more in endorsements per year than 95% of NFL players make in salary. And he has a wife who makes about five times more than he does. He also has a job as an analyst at any network that he chooses when he retires. The man is set for life. He can afford to sacrifice his current salary for the good of the team. A guy like Ryan Tannehill or Sam Bradford or Joe Flacco has about ten years to make all the money that they can. They may do some regional commercials in their team's city, but a career's worth of those don't pay what one Nationwide or Gatorade shoot does.

So of course Brady is smart playing for half of what he could make in order to let his team stay in contention. But he really loses very little by doing it. With the exception of Peyton Manning, no one else has that luxury.

 

[jon007]

I don't get what comparing salaries from many years ago does here......the cap goes up every year and so do salaries. Of course a 2016 salary will look alot higher.

What year was Tom Brady in last year?

Someone post a good article.....something else....please.

Brady's cap number was also only $9mil last year.

Cap hits are easily adjusted.

I misspoke. Tom's salary last year was $9mil putting him at 21st for annual Salary behind Nick Foles. He's scheduled to make $10mil this year. He signed a deal in 2011 that paid him $5.75m, $950k, $1m, $2m, $8m, $9m, $10m a year. He wants to win and doesn't want his salary hindering the team.

Tom Brady makes more in endorsements per year than 95% of NFL players make in salary. And he has a wife who makes about five times more than he does. He also has a job as an analyst at any network that he chooses when he retires. The man is set for life. He can afford to sacrifice his current salary for the good of the team. A guy like Ryan Tannehill or Sam Bradford or Joe Flacco has about ten years to make all the money that they can. They may do some regional commercials in their team's city, but a career's worth of those don't pay what one Nationwide or Gatorade shoot does.

So of course Brady is smart playing for half of what he could make in order to let his team stay in contention. But he really loses very little by doing it. With the exception of Peyton Manning, no one else has that luxury.

Maybe Tom gets paid in a life time supply of Kraft Macaroni & Cheese. But seriously the salary that Tom gets from the Patriots is only there so the league doesn't throw a hissy fit. Just like Steve Jobs's salary of $1 a year, Robert Kraft could pay Tom in a number of ways within the Kraft group or within his circle of trust.

 

[Insein]

I don't get what comparing salaries from many years ago does here......the cap goes up every year and so do salaries. Of course a 2016 salary will look alot higher.

What year was Tom Brady in last year?

Someone post a good article.....something else....please.

Brady's cap number was also only $9mil last year.

Cap hits are easily adjusted.

I misspoke. Tom's salary last year was $9mil putting him at 21st for annual Salary behind Nick Foles. He's scheduled to make $10mil this year. He signed a deal in 2011 that paid him $5.75m, $950k, $1m, $2m, $8m, $9m, $10m a year. He wants to win and doesn't want his salary hindering the team.

Tom Brady makes more in endorsements per year than 95% of NFL players make in salary. And he has a wife who makes about five times more than he does. He also has a job as an analyst at any network that he chooses when he retires. The man is set for life. He can afford to sacrifice his current salary for the good of the team. A guy like Ryan Tannehill or Sam Bradford or Joe Flacco has about ten years to make all the money that they can. They may do some regional commercials in their team's city, but a career's worth of those don't pay what one Nationwide or Gatorade shoot does.So of course Brady is smart playing for half of what he could make in order to let his team stay in contention. But he really loses very little by doing it. With the exception of Peyton Manning, no one else has that luxury.

It wasn't really a knock on guys getting paid. Guys get paid what they're worth and they deserve every penny regardless of injury or performance because someone was willing to give them that money at a point in time.

What I was using it for was to illustrate how having a cheaper QB relative to the rest of the NFL that can play above the pay scale can really increase a teams margin of error to improve the rest of the team. Obviously Brady is the GOAT but him having a lower salary allowed the Pats to resign Mccourty to a big number. Or reup Nate Solder to a big extension. They can resign Gronk and Mayo without worries. Then when guys like Chandler Jones and Hightower come up, they have no issues keeping them too. Having a low QB number gives them that extra cushion under the cap that can get 1 or 2 more key impact players.

 

[need2know]

It works both ways. The team has to be smart about the money that it gives away. The player has to understand and care that what he takes can hurt the rest of the team. Rarely do these things all work together

 

[JuniorNB]

I don't get what comparing salaries from many years ago does here......the cap goes up every year and so do salaries. Of course a 2016 salary will look alot higher.

What year was Tom Brady in last year?

Someone post a good article.....something else....please.

Brady's cap number was also only $9mil last year.

Cap hits are easily adjusted.

I misspoke. Tom's salary last year was $9mil putting him at 21st for annual Salary behind Nick Foles. He's scheduled to make $10mil this year. He signed a deal in 2011 that paid him $5.75m, $950k, $1m, $2m, $8m, $9m, $10m a year. He wants to win and doesn't want his salary hindering the team.

Tom Brady makes more in endorsements per year than 95% of NFL players make in salary. And he has a wife who makes about five times more than he does. He also has a job as an analyst at any network that he chooses when he retires. The man is set for life. He can afford to sacrifice his current salary for the good of the team. A guy like Ryan Tannehill or Sam Bradford or Joe Flacco has about ten years to make all the money that they can. They may do some regional commercials in their team's city, but a career's worth of those don't pay what one Nationwide or Gatorade shoot does.So of course Brady is smart playing for half of what he could make in order to let his team stay in contention. But he really loses very little by doing it. With the exception of Peyton Manning, no one else has that luxury.

It wasn't really a knock on guys getting paid. Guys get paid what they're worth and they deserve every penny regardless of injury or performance because someone was willing to give them that money at a point in time.

What I was using it for was to illustrate how having a cheaper QB relative to the rest of the NFL that can play above the pay scale can really increase a teams margin of error to improve the rest of the team. Obviously Brady is the GOAT but him having a lower salary allowed the Pats to resign Mccourty to a big number. Or reup Nate Solder to a big extension. They can resign Gronk and Mayo without worries. Then when guys like Chandler Jones and Hightower come up, they have no issues keeping them too. Having a low QB number gives them that extra cushion under the cap that can get 1 or 2 more key impact players.

No doubt. It's an awesome luxury to have and another of the reasons that New England can stay near the top year after year. Other teams can get elite QB play for a a discount price (Seattle from 2012-2015 comes to mind) but that is only until it's time to negotiate. Football salary is chump change to Brady, so he plays for peanuts.

 

[Insein]

Of course but you can get cheap QB play for average to above average talents as well and win. Over paying them is when you're in trouble.

2014 Brady and Wilson $8m and $700k

2013 Wilson and Peyton $660k and $15m (high $18m)

2012 Flacco and Kaepernick $6m and $600k

2011 Eli and Brady $8.5m and $5.75m (high $14.5m)

2010 Rodgers and Roethlesberger $6m and $8m (high $15.8m)

If Cam wins this year, he will be the first winning QB to be within 10% of the high salary since Peyton in 2006.

Again it's not a rule to say paying the QB is always wrong. It's just an interesting study to see that the Super Bowl is usually won by a guy either on the rise or playing well above what his salary indicates.

 

[Deamon]

I don't get what comparing salaries from many years ago does here......the cap goes up every year and so do salaries. Of course a 2016 salary will look alot higher.

What year was Tom Brady in last year?

Someone post a good article.....something else....please.

Brady's cap number was also only $9mil last year.

Cap hits are easily adjusted.

I misspoke. Tom's salary last year was $9mil putting him at 21st for annual Salary behind Nick Foles. He's scheduled to make $10mil this year. He signed a deal in 2011 that paid him $5.75m, $950k, $1m, $2m, $8m, $9m, $10m a year. He wants to win and doesn't want his salary hindering the team.

Tom Brady makes more in endorsements per year than 95% of NFL players make in salary. And he has a wife who makes about five times more than he does. He also has a job as an analyst at any network that he chooses when he retires. The man is set for life. He can afford to sacrifice his current salary for the good of the team. A guy like Ryan Tannehill or Sam Bradford or Joe Flacco has about ten years to make all the money that they can. They may do some regional commercials in their team's city, but a career's worth of those don't pay what one Nationwide or Gatorade shoot does.

So of course Brady is smart playing for half of what he could make in order to let his team stay in contention. But he really loses very little by doing it. With the exception of Peyton Manning, no one else has that luxury.

Maybe Tom gets paid in a life time supply of Kraft Macaroni & Cheese. But seriously the salary that Tom gets from the Patriots is only there so the league doesn't throw a hissy fit. Just like Steve Jobs's salary of $1 a year, Robert Kraft could pay Tom in a number of ways within the Kraft group or within his circle of trust.

You know it's not the same Kraft company right?

 

[Deamon]

Eagles have received permission to interview Brandon Hunt, Steelers pro scout coord, for their director of player personnel.

 

[Deamon]

Eagles hire Chris Wilson as new DL coach. "He made me a better man." Fletcher Cox talks about new #Eagles DL coach Chris Wilson, who coached him at Miss St.

An even bigger reason Cox is going to have a huge year.

 

[Insein]

Eagles hire Chris Wilson as new DL coach. "He made me a better man." Fletcher Cox talks about new #Eagles DL coach Chris Wilson, who coached him at Miss St.

An even bigger reason Cox is going to have a huge year.

They seem to be bringing in a lot guys that will enhance they're best player.

 

[modogg]

Eagles hire Chris Wilson as new DL coach. "He made me a better man." Fletcher Cox talks about new #Eagles DL coach Chris Wilson, who coached him at Miss St.

An even bigger reason Cox is going to have a huge year.

They seem to be bringing in a lot guys that will enhance they're best player.

certainly should help with signing Cox to a long-term deal, showing him the team appreciates him. I can't help but look at most of these moves in reflection to the Chip times

 

[Deamon]

Some talk of Wentz going #2. I think there's very little chance he slips past San Fran, if not Dallas. We can pretty much write off Goff and Wentz for those saying we should let Sam walk and draft a QB in the first. So now it's pretty much all our marbles on Lynch looking like a top 10 draft pick but no one taking him before us.

Time to give up on the 1st round QB stuff.

 

[Ash]

So We Should Just Draft a QB, Right?

In the discussion on whether we should keep Bradford or look to the draft for a QB I decided to take a look at draft history to see how successful teams have actually been in drafting starting QBs. I looked at 2003 - 2013 because it provides enough time for players to have established themselves if they have the capability, and given the typical 21-23yo age at drafting, it's reasonable to expect they'd still be playing in their early 30s, again if they have the capability.

There have been 32 QBs drafted in the 1st round in that timeframe.

• 10 are still starting for the team that drafted them, and I'm counting Manning/Rivers here (Flacco, Luck, Manning, Newton, Rivers, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Stafford, Tannehill)
• Another 4 are starting for a different team (Cutler, Palmer, Smith, Bradford)

There have been 14 QBs drafted in the 2nd round

• Only 1 (Dalton) is currently starting in the NFL

There have been 15 QBs drafted in the 3rd round

• Only 1 (Wilson) is currently starting

If you look by pick, 8 QBs have been drafted 1.1

• 4 (Luck, Manning, Newton, Stafford) are starting for the team that drafted them
• Another 3 (Bradford, Palmer, Smith) are starting for a different team.

There have been another 10 picked in slots 2-10

• 3 (Ryan, Rivers, Tannehill) are starting for the team that drafted them.
• None are starting elsewhere

There have been 14 players picked in the remainder of the 1st round.

• 3 (Roethlisberger, Flacco, Rodgers) are starting for the team that drafted them
• None are starting elsewhere
• Two teams (CLE & MIA) have drafted 4 QBs in Rnds 1-3 in that timeframe. For CLE that doesn't include Manziel, and likely this year's pick.
• 4 teams (BUF, DEN, NYJ, TAM) have drafted 3 QBs in Rnds 1-3, for TAM that doesn't include Winston.

Obviously a small number of the younger players who aren't currently starting may go on to establish themselves with a different team but it isn't likely to be a significant number statistically. There's a number of others like Chad Henne, Sanchez, Leftwich, Jason Campbell etc who started a reasonable number of games in the league, but never established themselves as a long term starter. I still count those as a miss.
Just for completeness, there have been 79 QBs drafted in Rounds 4-7 between 2003 and 2013.

• Only 3 (Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Kirk Cousins) are starting. Only Cousins is starting for the team that drafted him.
• There are others like Orton, Cassell, Derek Anderson etc that started enough games they're good value for where they were drafted but still didn't become established long term starters, though the Pats did make out like bandits in the Cassell trade. ATL got 2x 2nds for Schaub as well.

Conclusion

So in other words, if you're picking 1.1 you have a very good chance of getting a good to great player. If you're picking in the Top 10, you've got a gambler's chance and the risk is probably worth it. The chances of success are much smaller in the remainder of the first round and (to me at least) there is surprisingly little chance of successfully drafting a starting QB anywhere beyond the 1st round at all. At 1.1 you're good, 1st round your gambling, everywhere else you're buying a lotto ticket.

For those saying get rid of Bradford without even trying to work out a viable way to keep him here without over committing, think about the QB turnover and ineffectiveness we've had for most of the last 6 seasons and get ready for more of the same unless we somehow end up sucking so much we have pick 1.1

I'm not saying give him a Rodgers type contract, but at absolute minimum we need to franchise him and evaluate him next year, then if it's justified do everything we can to work something out. For those pointing at Cutler type players being overpaid, yes it happens. The reason is, if you don't have a QB who's at least above average, it doesn't matter what else you have.

 

[Deamon]

So We Should Just Draft a QB, Right?

In the discussion on whether we should keep Bradford or look to the draft for a QB I decided to take a look at draft history to see how successful teams have actually been in drafting starting QBs. I looked at 2003 - 2013 because it provides enough time for players to have established themselves if they have the capability, and given the typical 21-23yo age at drafting, it's reasonable to expect they'd still be playing in their early 30s, again if they have the capability.

There have been 32 QBs drafted in the 1st round in that timeframe.

• 10 are still starting for the team that drafted them, and I'm counting Manning/Rivers here (Flacco, Luck, Manning, Newton, Rivers, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Stafford, Tannehill)
• Another 4 are starting for a different team (Cutler, Palmer, Smith, Bradford)

There have been 14 QBs drafted in the 2nd round

• Only 1 (Dalton) is currently starting in the NFL

There have been 15 QBs drafted in the 3rd round

• Only 1 (Wilson) is currently starting

If you look by pick, 8 QBs have been drafted 1.1

• 4 (Luck, Manning, Newton, Stafford) are starting for the team that drafted them
• Another 3 (Bradford, Palmer, Smith) are starting for a different team.

There have been another 10 picked in slots 2-10

• 3 (Ryan, Rivers, Tannehill) are starting for the team that drafted them.
• None are starting elsewhere

There have been 14 players picked in the remainder of the 1st round.

• 3 (Roethlisberger, Flacco, Rodgers) are starting for the team that drafted them
• None are starting elsewhere
• Two teams (CLE & MIA) have drafted 4 QBs in Rnds 1-3 in that timeframe. For CLE that doesn't include Manziel, and likely this year's pick.
• 4 teams (BUF, DEN, NYJ, TAM) have drafted 3 QBs in Rnds 1-3, for TAM that doesn't include Winston.

Obviously a small number of the younger players who aren't currently starting may go on to establish themselves with a different team but it isn't likely to be a significant number statistically. There's a number of others like Chad Henne, Sanchez, Leftwich, Jason Campbell etc who started a reasonable number of games in the league, but never established themselves as a long term starter. I still count those as a miss.
Just for completeness, there have been 79 QBs drafted in Rounds 4-7 between 2003 and 2013.

• Only 3 (Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Kirk Cousins) are starting. Only Cousins is starting for the team that drafted him.
• There are others like Orton, Cassell, Derek Anderson etc that started enough games they're good value for where they were drafted but still didn't become established long term starters, though the Pats did make out like bandits in the Cassell trade.

Conclusion

So in other words, if you're picking 1.1 you have a very good chance of getting a good to great player. If you're picking in the Top 10, you've got a gambler's chance and the risk is probably worth it. The chances of success are much smaller in the remainder of the first round and (to me at least) there is surprisingly little chance of successfully drafting a starting QB anywhere beyond the 1st round at all. At 1.1 you're good, 1st round your gambling, everywhere else you're buying a lotto ticket.

For those saying get rid of Bradford without even trying to work out a viable way to keep him here without over committing, think about the QB turnover and ineffectiveness we've had the last 6 seasons and get ready for more of the same unless we somehow end up sucking so much we have pick 1.1

I'm not saying give him a Rodgers type contract, but at absolute minimum we need to franchise him and evaluate him next year, then if it's justified do everything we can to work something out. For those pointing at Cutler type players being overpaid, yes it happens. The reason is, if you don't have a QB who's at least above average, it doesn't matter what else you have.

Great breakdown, Ash. Was actually pretty surprised at some of those numbers too. Pretty much shows that with pick 13, our chances of landing a franchise-type QB is slim to none. 122 QB's drafted outside of top 10, and 8 are starting. I'd take Fits out as I don't see him any better then Sam, and even Tyrod and Cousins maybe get half a point each as they may only be slightly ahead.

That puts us at a 5% chance of hitting if we draft a QB this year. Even tougher too when we don't have a 2nd rounder. Also, if we haven't franchised Sam, and there's a QB we really like in the 3rd, it's going to be obvious to everyone we're going to take him and we could see a team jump ahead of us if they like him too. This simply makes NO sense to hear people say we should let Sam walk and draft a QB.

 

[Ash]

So We Should Just Draft a QB, Right?

In the discussion on whether we should keep Bradford or look to the draft for a QB I decided to take a look at draft history to see how successful teams have actually been in drafting starting QBs. I looked at 2003 - 2013 because it provides enough time for players to have established themselves if they have the capability, and given the typical 21-23yo age at drafting, it's reasonable to expect they'd still be playing in their early 30s, again if they have the capability.

There have been 32 QBs drafted in the 1st round in that timeframe.

• 10 are still starting for the team that drafted them, and I'm counting Manning/Rivers here (Flacco, Luck, Manning, Newton, Rivers, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Stafford, Tannehill)
• Another 4 are starting for a different team (Cutler, Palmer, Smith, Bradford)

There have been 14 QBs drafted in the 2nd round

• Only 1 (Dalton) is currently starting in the NFL

There have been 15 QBs drafted in the 3rd round

• Only 1 (Wilson) is currently starting

If you look by pick, 8 QBs have been drafted 1.1

• 4 (Luck, Manning, Newton, Stafford) are starting for the team that drafted them
• Another 3 (Bradford, Palmer, Smith) are starting for a different team.

There have been another 10 picked in slots 2-10

• 3 (Ryan, Rivers, Tannehill) are starting for the team that drafted them.
• None are starting elsewhere

There have been 14 players picked in the remainder of the 1st round.

• 3 (Roethlisberger, Flacco, Rodgers) are starting for the team that drafted them
• None are starting elsewhere
• Two teams (CLE & MIA) have drafted 4 QBs in Rnds 1-3 in that timeframe. For CLE that doesn't include Manziel, and likely this year's pick.
• 4 teams (BUF, DEN, NYJ, TAM) have drafted 3 QBs in Rnds 1-3, for TAM that doesn't include Winston.

Obviously a small number of the younger players who aren't currently starting may go on to establish themselves with a different team but it isn't likely to be a significant number statistically. There's a number of others like Chad Henne, Sanchez, Leftwich, Jason Campbell etc who started a reasonable number of games in the league, but never established themselves as a long term starter. I still count those as a miss.
Just for completeness, there have been 79 QBs drafted in Rounds 4-7 between 2003 and 2013.

• Only 3 (Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Kirk Cousins) are starting. Only Cousins is starting for the team that drafted him.
• There are others like Orton, Cassell, Derek Anderson etc that started enough games they're good value for where they were drafted but still didn't become established long term starters, though the Pats did make out like bandits in the Cassell trade.

Conclusion

So in other words, if you're picking 1.1 you have a very good chance of getting a good to great player. If you're picking in the Top 10, you've got a gambler's chance and the risk is probably worth it. The chances of success are much smaller in the remainder of the first round and (to me at least) there is surprisingly little chance of successfully drafting a starting QB anywhere beyond the 1st round at all. At 1.1 you're good, 1st round your gambling, everywhere else you're buying a lotto ticket.

For those saying get rid of Bradford without even trying to work out a viable way to keep him here without over committing, think about the QB turnover and ineffectiveness we've had the last 6 seasons and get ready for more of the same unless we somehow end up sucking so much we have pick 1.1

I'm not saying give him a Rodgers type contract, but at absolute minimum we need to franchise him and evaluate him next year, then if it's justified do everything we can to work something out. For those pointing at Cutler type players being overpaid, yes it happens. The reason is, if you don't have a QB who's at least above average, it doesn't matter what else you have.

Great breakdown, Ash. Was actually pretty surprised at some of those numbers too. Pretty much shows that with pick 13, our chances of landing a franchise-type QB is slim to none. 122 QB's drafted outside of top 10, and 8 are starting. I'd take Fits out as I don't see him any better then Sam, and even Tyrod and Cousins maybe get half a point each as they may only be slightly ahead.

That puts us at a 5% chance of hitting if we draft a QB this year. Even tougher too when we don't have a 2nd rounder. Also, if we haven't franchised Sam, and there's a QB we really like in the 3rd, it's going to be obvious to everyone we're going to take him and we could see a team jump ahead of us if they like him too. This simply makes NO sense to hear people say we should let Sam walk and draft a QB.

There are some older guys still playing (Peyton, Brady, Brees and Romo - a UDFA!) and some young guys (Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, Winston, Mariota, although sometimes these guys don't sustain after a decent start. See Foles, Nick) as well as some teams (HOU, CLE, SF, STL) who don't really have anyone you'd claim as a starter. Those might change the numbers a little, but not by much I don't think.

 

[Insein]

It's not really a debate for what we want. It's a debate on what the Eagles are most likely to do. I'd say it's 50/50 that they franchise Bradford and even less than that they sign him long term.

And GMs don't operate with the notion that x% of first round QBs bust. They believe the guy they're drafting is the exception and that they're coaching staff is just what they need to make him excel. Not saying they're right. Just that's the mindset an NFL GM takes.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think there's very little chance he slips past San Fran, if not Dallas.

Chip may think he can work with Kaep or Gabbert (both very mobile) and Dallas could bring in RGIII or Johnny Football and look to a guy that will help them win now. I can surely see a QB slipping past them - but your overall point remains.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

So We Should Just Draft a QB, Right?

I looked at 2003 - 2013 because it provides enough time for players to have established themselves if they have the capability, and given the typical 21-

23yo age at drafting,

But this cut-off leaves out many of the young successful starters - Bortles, Bridgewater, Carr, Mariotta and Winston.

 

[Insein]

Lane close to a deal.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Some talk of Wentz going #2. I think there's very little chance he slips past San Fran, if not Dallas. We can pretty much write off Goff and Wentz for those saying we should let Sam walk and draft a QB in the first. So now it's pretty much all our marbles on Lynch looking like a top 10 draft pick but no one taking him before us.

Time to give up on the 1st round QB stuff.

Dallas wont take a QB--Cleveland and SF are the only ones who may and theres 3 QB's out there.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And the Wentz stuff should stop---A could weeks ago it was Goff and in a couple weeks it will be Lynch etc. There's going to be TONS of talk the next 3 months of this guy going here and there...

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Jeff McLane ‏@Jeff_McLane 30m30 minutes ago

#Eagles and OL Lane Johnson agreed to 5-year extension worth up to $63M with $35.5M guaranteed, NFL source said.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Love what Howie is doing. Still dont get all the hate.

 

[Insein]

And the Wentz stuff should stop---A could weeks ago it was Goff and in a couple weeks it will be Lynch etc. There's going to be TONS of talk the next 3 months of this guy going here and there...

Agreed we can pick the talks up after March 7th when the Eagles let Sam walk.

 

[Insein]

Love what Howie is doing. Still dont get all the hate.

Drafting talent and securing them long term isn't what a "football guy" would do. Oh wait...

 

[need2know]

Love what Howie is doing. Still dont get all the hate.

Drafting talent and securing them long term isn't what a "football guy" would do. Oh wait...

It is good. Lock up the few good player we have

 

[Wooderson]

And the Wentz stuff should stop---A could weeks ago it was Goff and in a couple weeks it will be Lynch etc. There's going to be TONS of talk the next 3 months of this guy going here and there...

I love that he is getting all the hype now. It's to soon to peak. He's going to slip further in the draft right into the Eagles Nest.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Love what Howie is doing. Still dont get all the hate.

Drafting talent and securing them long term isn't what a "football guy" would do. Oh wait...

"I CANT BELIEVE HOWIE GAVE HIM ALL THAT MONEY!!!! HES NOT ELITE AND WAS SUSPENDED!!!! WHAT IS THIS TEAM DOING!!! FIRE EVERYONE!!!!"

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And the Wentz stuff should stop---A could weeks ago it was Goff and in a couple weeks it will be Lynch etc. There's going to be TONS of talk the next 3 months of this guy going here and there...

I love that he is getting all the hype now. It's to soon to peak. He's going to slip further in the draft right into the Eagles Nest.

The hype will literally change 100 times between now and the draft. I get tired of the "This guy wont be there" stuff in January, February and March because no one knows. The biggest networks employ people to do this for a living and their success rates on predicting the draft are at like 20%. IMHO, we have a chance at everyone right now. No need to dismiss anyone due to a mock or the latest practice reports etc

 

[Wooderson]

And the Wentz stuff should stop---A could weeks ago it was Goff and in a couple weeks it will be Lynch etc. There's going to be TONS of talk the next 3 months of this guy going here and there...

I love that he is getting all the hype now. It's to soon to peak. He's going to slip further in the draft right into the Eagles Nest.

The hype will literally change 100 times between now and the draft. I get tired of the "This guy wont be there" stuff in January, February and March because no one knows. The biggest networks employ people to do this for a living and their success rates on predicting the draft are at like 20%. IMHO, we have a chance at everyone right now. No need to dismiss anyone due to a mock or the latest practice reports etc

I agree. Once they say everything they can about a player they will move on to another one. They have a lot of time to fill.

 

[babydemon90]

Travis Kelce extended...
2nd highest paid TE apparently now, with 20 mil guaranteed. Smart move by Eagles to get Ertz in BEFORE these other TE's get their contracts, imo. These others guys will use his signing as a floor.

 

[Bri]

Confirming the 4-3 http://www.phillyvoice.com/jim-schwartz-says-what-we-already-knew-eagles-will-have-4-3-defense/

 

[menobrown]

Travis Kelce extended...

2nd highest paid TE apparently now, with 20 mil guaranteed. Smart move by Eagles to get Ertz in BEFORE these other TE's get their contracts, imo. These others guys will use his signing as a floor.

That's what I've been trying to say. I take it he moved from 4th highest paid TE to 5th today and I'd anticipate Eifert passing him this summer if he redoes his deal. Reed might as well but I'm not sure how his injury history will impact his pay.

Very good and very timely move by Eagles to lock him up.

 

[modogg]

So We Should Just Draft a QB, Right?

In the discussion on whether we should keep Bradford or look to the draft for a QB I decided to take a look at draft history to see how successful teams have actually been in drafting starting QBs. I looked at 2003 - 2013 because it provides enough time for players to have established themselves if they have the capability, and given the typical 21-23yo age at drafting, it's reasonable to expect they'd still be playing in their early 30s, again if they have the capability.

There have been 32 QBs drafted in the 1st round in that timeframe.

• 10 are still starting for the team that drafted them, and I'm counting Manning/Rivers here (Flacco, Luck, Manning, Newton, Rivers, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Stafford, Tannehill)
• Another 4 are starting for a different team (Cutler, Palmer, Smith, Bradford)

There have been 14 QBs drafted in the 2nd round

• Only 1 (Dalton) is currently starting in the NFL

There have been 15 QBs drafted in the 3rd round

• Only 1 (Wilson) is currently starting

If you look by pick, 8 QBs have been drafted 1.1

• 4 (Luck, Manning, Newton, Stafford) are starting for the team that drafted them
• Another 3 (Bradford, Palmer, Smith) are starting for a different team.

There have been another 10 picked in slots 2-10

• 3 (Ryan, Rivers, Tannehill) are starting for the team that drafted them.
• None are starting elsewhere

There have been 14 players picked in the remainder of the 1st round.

• 3 (Roethlisberger, Flacco, Rodgers) are starting for the team that drafted them
• None are starting elsewhere
• Two teams (CLE & MIA) have drafted 4 QBs in Rnds 1-3 in that timeframe. For CLE that doesn't include Manziel, and likely this year's pick.
• 4 teams (BUF, DEN, NYJ, TAM) have drafted 3 QBs in Rnds 1-3, for TAM that doesn't include Winston.

Obviously a small number of the younger players who aren't currently starting may go on to establish themselves with a different team but it isn't likely to be a significant number statistically. There's a number of others like Chad Henne, Sanchez, Leftwich, Jason Campbell etc who started a reasonable number of games in the league, but never established themselves as a long term starter. I still count those as a miss.
Just for completeness, there have been 79 QBs drafted in Rounds 4-7 between 2003 and 2013.

• Only 3 (Fitzpatrick, Tyrod Taylor, Kirk Cousins) are starting. Only Cousins is starting for the team that drafted him.
• There are others like Orton, Cassell, Derek Anderson etc that started enough games they're good value for where they were drafted but still didn't become established long term starters, though the Pats did make out like bandits in the Cassell trade.

Conclusion

So in other words, if you're picking 1.1 you have a very good chance of getting a good to great player. If you're picking in the Top 10, you've got a gambler's chance and the risk is probably worth it. The chances of success are much smaller in the remainder of the first round and (to me at least) there is surprisingly little chance of successfully drafting a starting QB anywhere beyond the 1st round at all. At 1.1 you're good, 1st round your gambling, everywhere else you're buying a lotto ticket.

For those saying get rid of Bradford without even trying to work out a viable way to keep him here without over committing, think about the QB turnover and ineffectiveness we've had the last 6 seasons and get ready for more of the same unless we somehow end up sucking so much we have pick 1.1

I'm not saying give him a Rodgers type contract, but at absolute minimum we need to franchise him and evaluate him next year, then if it's justified do everything we can to work something out. For those pointing at Cutler type players being overpaid, yes it happens. The reason is, if you don't have a QB who's at least above average, it doesn't matter what else you have.

Great breakdown, Ash. Was actually pretty surprised at some of those numbers too. Pretty much shows that with pick 13, our chances of landing a franchise-type QB is slim to none. 122 QB's drafted outside of top 10, and 8 are starting. I'd take Fits out as I don't see him any better then Sam, and even Tyrod and Cousins maybe get half a point each as they may only be slightly ahead.

That puts us at a 5% chance of hitting if we draft a QB this year. Even tougher too when we don't have a 2nd rounder. Also, if we haven't franchised Sam, and there's a QB we really like in the 3rd, it's going to be obvious to everyone we're going to take him and we could see a team jump ahead of us if they like him too. This simply makes NO sense to hear people say we should let Sam walk and draft a QB.

yeah, but this only works if Bradford turns out as good as people are hoping he will be. What if he is injured for 4-5 games again, and what if we do not get a good assessment again next year because he is in a new system and there are enough excuses built in for him. And with your plan here, how do you anticipate we ever get a top QB? wait for a lucky free agent? I think the chances of that are similar to drafting one in mid 1st round

For me, I am so sick of worrying about Bradford I am throwing up in my mouth as I write this. For me, it isn't all about Bradford, it is about the team as a whole. And with them focusing on signing the young nucleus to multi-year deals, I am pleased with that no matter what they do with the QB position.

 

[babydemon90]

We're not going to have money for franchising Bradford at this rate of locking up core players. Might be able to sign him long-term to a cap-friendly deal - maybe push the big $$ until after Peters and Celek are gone, but that would assume he is interested in that.

 

[GoBirds]

We're not going to have money for franchising Bradford at this rate of locking up core players. Might be able to sign him long-term to a cap-friendly deal - maybe push the big $$ until after Peters and Celek are gone, but that would assume he is interested in that.

Don't they give you some leeway to go over for the tag or no?

 

[modogg]

We're not going to have money for franchising Bradford at this rate of locking up core players. Might be able to sign him long-term to a cap-friendly deal - maybe push the big $$ until after Peters and Celek are gone, but that would assume he is interested in that.

and for me, this was what i was hoping for. maybe that is why Lurie really felt he had to make a move with Chip because he wanted to make sure that the team wasn't going to be losing young talent that will be the foundation for the team for the next 5-7 years. A guy like Lance Johnson, if they feel he is legit, is a guy that i am rally happy they locked up. A book-end Tackle is key to a team, no matter what skill positions you have

 

[Slider]

Maybe they're signing guys long term to lessen the hit this year so they can use the tag.

 

[Insein]

Maybe they're signing guys long term to lessen the hit this year so they can use the tag.

Possible. But the Ertz deal and Johnson deal increased their cap hits this year even though they're a friendly number compared to the rest of the deal.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Maybe they're signing guys long term to lessen the hit this year so they can use the tag.

Possible. But the Ertz deal and Johnson deal increased their cap hits this year even though they're a friendly number compared to the rest of the deal.

There's just going to be a ton of cuts coming. I thought I read that they had 20 million under before these deals and cuts. If they want Sam, Howie will find a way.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Curious how the city would react if we brought in a Greg Hardy and Josh Gordon combo on the cheap.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Also oddly enough (unless I missed it) is how the Lane contract seems to have spelled the end of Jason Peters here. Lane just got LT money so I would assume that's where they see him playing this year. I'm hoping Peters' pride will allow him to move to guard this season.

 

[Slider]

Josh Gordon in a heartbeat. Hardy never.

 

[JuniorNB]

Curious how the city would react if we brought in a Greg Hardy and Josh Gordon combo on the cheap.

I'd love Gordon. They better not even give Hardy a thought. He's a disgusting human being

 

[JuniorNB]

Also oddly enough (unless I missed it) is how the Lane contract seems to have spelled the end of Jason Peters here. Lane just got LT money so I would assume that's where they see him playing this year. I'm hoping Peters' pride will allow him to move to guard this season.

I dont know that it neccasarily means the move is coming this year, but they definitely see Lane as our left tackle of the future. I'm hoping that Peters' lack of effectiveness was largely because of the pace of Chip's offense. And the intensity of the practices.

 

[babydemon90]

Josh Gordon in a heartbeat. Hardy never.

This. They shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath.

 

[Insein]

Maybe they're signing guys long term to lessen the hit this year so they can use the tag.

Possible. But the Ertz deal and Johnson deal increased their cap hits this year even though they're a friendly number compared to the rest of the deal.

There's just going to be a ton of cuts coming. I thought I read that they had 20 million under before these deals and cuts. If they want Sam, Howie will find a way.

For sure. I have no doubt they can fit him if they want him. But they still need to sign Curry, Logan and the big one, Cox.

 

[Insein]

Also oddly enough (unless I missed it) is how the Lane contract seems to have spelled the end of Jason Peters here. Lane just got LT money so I would assume that's where they see him playing this year. I'm hoping Peters' pride will allow him to move to guard this season.

Nah, I see it as securing the future LT before he costs even more money. Peters is probably here one more year unless money gets really tight. But then they probably ask him to restructure. At that point he has to weigh whether he'll make more as an aging FA or stick it out 2 more years at least money than be was going to make.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

IDK, that money says he's playing LT this year. He got his feet wet this past year and the new deal. Prepare yourselves for Peters to be one of the cuts IMO