*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)

[Deamon]

Sanchez WILL NOT be on this team. People keep putting his name out there (some as a scare tactic). He's gone. No way he stays. None.

If Sam walks, and the likely scenario of no QB falling to us happens, then we need 3 qbs next year. Assuming Chase is a lock is aggressive. I could see Sanchez being cut and brought back at next to nothing as a backup or 3rd qb.

 

[Deamon]

Sanchez WILL NOT be on this team. People keep putting his name out there (some as a scare tactic). He's gone. No way he stays. None.

Even so, if they try to sell a rebuild as the reason as to why they're passing on Bradford and taking their chances on the FA market or draft and then the season(and next year) plays out that if they had a competent QB, they could have made some noise in the postseason...it's going to kill fanbase morale.

If you think the rest of the team is close......get Bradford....and while I'd like to go BPA (as long as its not an RB, G or Safety) with the 13th pick.....there's no shame in taking a QB there to sit for a couple of years.

There is a shame when it's a major reach. It's looking at this point like any QB at 13 will be a big reach.

 

[Insein]

Sanchez WILL NOT be on this team. People keep putting his name out there (some as a scare tactic). He's gone. No way he stays. None.

Even so, if they try to sell a rebuild as the reason as to why they're passing on Bradford and taking their chances on the FA market or draft and then the season(and next year) plays out that if they had a competent QB, they could have made some noise in the postseason...it's going to kill fanbase morale.

If you think the rest of the team is close......get Bradford....and while I'd like to go BPA (as long as its not an RB, G or Safety) with the 13th pick.....there's no shame in taking a QB there to sit for a couple of years.

There is a shame when it's a major reach. It's looking at this point like any QB at 13 will be a big reach.

We've got over 2 months till the draft. Way too early to project where guys will go.

And it comes down to can we win it all with Sam at QB and the current WR, OL and defensive players we have (with any rookies added in) in this next year? Cause that's about all we could afford if we signed him.

 

[renesauz]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

 

[Insein]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

He would definitely fit and you could squeeze him in this year. But that's basically it. They might be able to redo Cox to A favorable deal, cut Sanchez and Sproles and make next year work. Don't expect any free agents of significance and we make due with what the rookies give us.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

I agree with all of this. If they want him hes coming back, period. This whole 20 per year is getting too much run IMO as well. I'm sure if extended he'd get a lot in bonuses and guaranteed money on the back end

IF a QB falls that they love then take him. If not go OL at 13 followed by WR with one of the 3rd round picks and whatever else with the rest

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

He would definitely fit and you could squeeze him in this year. But that's basically it. They might be able to redo Cox to A favorable deal, cut Sanchez and Sproles and make next year work. Don't expect any free agents of significance and we make due with what the rookies give us.

Every year it seems that teams are capped out yet they still end up signing guys to big deals. I think we have more than enough salary to cut if needed. IMO, Peters, Sproles, Cooper, Sanchez and Ryans are locks to be gone. And I'm sure a few others will restructure.

Off the top of my head, how cutable is Brandon Graham?

 

[Insein]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

He would definitely fit and you could squeeze him in this year. But that's basically it. They might be able to redo Cox to A favorable deal, cut Sanchez and Sproles and make next year work. Don't expect any free agents of significance and we make due with what the rookies give us.

Every year it seems that teams are capped out yet they still end up signing guys to big deals. I think we have more than enough salary to cut if needed. IMO, Peters, Sproles, Cooper, Sanchez and Ryans are locks to be gone. And I'm sure a few others will restructure.

Off the top of my head, how cutable is Brandon Graham?

Costs $5m to keep, $7m to cut.

 

[tangfoot]

I think the RG3 to Dallas thing probably has the most legs - but I wonder, if Bradford doesn't stick, if we kick the tires on him for a year.

I think Dallas will take a run at Wentz or Goff if they're there at #4. Just a gut feeling. Jerry has been a MUCH better drafter the last few years and gone for the unexciting picks that have turned out well. But I think he's itching to make a splash again this year and I think he's going to take a QB. Wentz would be perfect to groom for a year or two under Romo. Can't see them signing RG3 as a 3rd qb if this happens, and Tony is obviously their starter next year.

The wrench in this plan is that RG3 will be available shortly after 3/1, and will be signed by someone well in advance of the draft.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

He would definitely fit and you could squeeze him in this year. But that's basically it. They might be able to redo Cox to A favorable deal, cut Sanchez and Sproles and make next year work. Don't expect any free agents of significance and we make due with what the rookies give us.

Every year it seems that teams are capped out yet they still end up signing guys to big deals. I think we have more than enough salary to cut if needed. IMO, Peters, Sproles, Cooper, Sanchez and Ryans are locks to be gone. And I'm sure a few others will restructure.

Off the top of my head, how cutable is Brandon Graham?

Costs $5m to keep, $7m to cut.

After seeing the money Curry got you have to think that either Graham or Barwin head the list of guys who need to take a paycut or get deals reworked

 

[dhockster]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

I agree with all of this. If they want him hes coming back, period. This whole 20 per year is getting too much run IMO as well. I'm sure if extended he'd get a lot in bonuses and guaranteed money on the back end

IF a QB falls that they love then take him. If not go OL at 13 followed by WR with one of the 3rd round picks and whatever else with the rest

I really will be shocked if the Eagles signed Bradford to more than a one year deal. For it to be cap friendly in the first year, the Eagles would probably have to keep him for 2, if not 3 years, or take a major cap hit. I can't see Pederson wanting to risk his first three years being dependent on Bradford, first from a health standpoint, and second, from a performance standpoint. We still don't know if this guy is going to ever be a very good to great QB for any extended amount of time.

 

[renesauz]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

He would definitely fit and you could squeeze him in this year. But that's basically it. They might be able to redo Cox to A favorable deal, cut Sanchez and Sproles and make next year work. Don't expect any free agents of significance and we make due with what the rookies give us.

BS...the cap is likely to go up 10 million this year, and another 6-0 next year. The space is there

 

[renesauz]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

I agree with all of this. If they want him hes coming back, period. This whole 20 per year is getting too much run IMO as well. I'm sure if extended he'd get a lot in bonuses and guaranteed money on the back end

IF a QB falls that they love then take him. If not go OL at 13 followed by WR with one of the 3rd round picks and whatever else with the rest

I really will be shocked if the Eagles signed Bradford to more than a one year deal. For it to be cap friendly in the first year, the Eagles would probably have to keep him for 2, if not 3 years, or take a major cap hit. I can't see Pederson wanting to risk his first three years being dependent on Bradford, first from a health standpoint, and second, from a performance standpoint. We still don't know if this guy is going to ever be a very good to great QB for any extended amount of time.

While I disagree with you here, even if you're right (and we don't know), there's still the little problem that drafted QBs fall completely flat more often than not, and that the overwhelming majority of them never even get to the point that Bradford is already at, having known at least some success, and having shown more than a couple of flashes.

People continue to dramatically over-rate the odds of drafting the "right QB"

 

[Insein]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

He would definitely fit and you could squeeze him in this year. But that's basically it. They might be able to redo Cox to A favorable deal, cut Sanchez and Sproles and make next year work. Don't expect any free agents of significance and we make due with what the rookies give us.

Every year it seems that teams are capped out yet they still end up signing guys to big deals. I think we have more than enough salary to cut if needed. IMO, Peters, Sproles, Cooper, Sanchez and Ryans are locks to be gone. And I'm sure a few others will restructure.

Off the top of my head, how cutable is Brandon Graham?

Costs $5m to keep, $7m to cut.

After seeing the money Curry got you have to think that either Graham or Barwin head the list of guys who need to take a paycut or get deals reworked

Graham just got paid last year. He'll force us to cut him. He can make $4m at least from another team.

 

[Insein]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

He would definitely fit and you could squeeze him in this year. But that's basically it. They might be able to redo Cox to A favorable deal, cut Sanchez and Sproles and make next year work. Don't expect any free agents of significance and we make due with what the rookies give us.

BS...the cap is likely to go up 10 million this year, and another 6-0 next year. The space is there

Yea that's taking the jump into account. Sam is not on the books right now and our cap space according to OTC is estimated $20m. Need to sign Cox and his cap number is only $8m right now. That's probably going up. It's going to be tight.

 

[Ash]

Cap space I don't think is really an issue. I'm as dubious as anyone about Howie's player evaluation skills but he's a cap/contract ninja. The cap's been going up at a reasonable clip every year and two of the team's 3 most expensive contracts over the next few years (Peters and Murray) are likely to be gone after 2016, and Byron Maxwell possibly a year after that if they can stock the position well enough around him. Not enough public info yet on all the recent extensions to see how they factor in.

The problem right now really isn't the money, it's that they're paying top shelf $$ at those 3 positions and getting average (Peters/Maxwell) or poor (Murray) play in return.

 

[Ash]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

He would definitely fit and you could squeeze him in this year. But that's basically it. They might be able to redo Cox to A favorable deal, cut Sanchez and Sproles and make next year work. Don't expect any free agents of significance and we make due with what the rookies give us.

Every year it seems that teams are capped out yet they still end up signing guys to big deals. I think we have more than enough salary to cut if needed. IMO, Peters, Sproles, Cooper, Sanchez and Ryans are locks to be gone. And I'm sure a few others will restructure.

Off the top of my head, how cutable is Brandon Graham?

Costs $5m to keep, $7m to cut.

After seeing the money Curry got you have to think that either Graham or Barwin head the list of guys who need to take a paycut or get deals reworked

Graham just got paid last year. He'll force us to cut him. He can make $4m at least from another team.

Graham's not making OTT money for a 4-3 DE and I think it's worth having another look at him full time in his natural position. They're thin there anyway, and I think it's fair to expect him to be at least "good enough" for a couple of years. With Barwin, Graham and now Curry all on decent veteran contracts there though, there will likely be a bit of a refresh with DE draft picks over the next couple of years before Barwin / Graham are moved on.

 

[Insein]

What I don't want to happen is we pony up the bucks for Bradford but he still has Matthews, Agholar and Ertz as his main targets so the drop excuse will still exist. Then we have Pederson implementing a new offense. So will we have to wait till week 4, 5 or 6 before Bradford is acclimated again? Then we have Peters. Either he's here and he's breaking down so "there's pressure on Bradford" or he's gone and "its gonna take time for the new line to gel to help Bradford out."

Mainly, if he's getting paid top 10 money, I don't want to hear a single excuse if he struggles. He needs to show something.

 

[Insein]

I'm not buying the we can't afford Bradford line. Any average to above average NFL starter is affordable at 20 per....and isn't that what he's expected to cost?

If Pederson likes him, they'll try to resign him. Cost is NOT the issue.

He would definitely fit and you could squeeze him in this year. But that's basically it. They might be able to redo Cox to A favorable deal, cut Sanchez and Sproles and make next year work. Don't expect any free agents of significance and we make due with what the rookies give us.

Every year it seems that teams are capped out yet they still end up signing guys to big deals. I think we have more than enough salary to cut if needed. IMO, Peters, Sproles, Cooper, Sanchez and Ryans are locks to be gone. And I'm sure a few others will restructure.

Off the top of my head, how cutable is Brandon Graham?

Costs $5m to keep, $7m to cut.

After seeing the money Curry got you have to think that either Graham or Barwin head the list of guys who need to take a paycut or get deals reworked

Graham just got paid last year. He'll force us to cut him. He can make $4m at least from another team.

Graham's not making OTT money for a 4-3 DE and I think it's worth having another look at him full time in his natural position. They're thin there anyway, and I think it's fair to expect him to be at least "good enough" for a couple of years. With Barwin, Graham and now Curry all on decent veteran contracts there though, there will likely be a bit of a refresh with DE draft picks over the next couple of years before Barwin / Graham are moved on.

I agree. Graham isn't going anywhere.

 

[Ash]

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/report-eagles-suspend-search-new-personnel-head

Translation: Howie will do everything, without anyone's input.

Like a GM

Like a GM with no/little input from owner or coach. Seems like they were dangling this "we're hiring someone to head personnel" without any real intention of having someone come in. That, or Howie convinced him he didn't need help.

Pure speculation here... but I think their failure to hire a personnel head is mostly attributable to the low level of power they were offering. I believe Lurie was being intentionally vague when he declined to elaborate on what the front office structure would be, because he was willing to offer a potential personnel chief more or less power depending on the caliber of the candidate. Since the Eagles were apparently rebuffed in their attempts to interview several teams' executives, I'm thinking that they decided that the quality of candidates who were made available to them did not warrant an offer of much power. And thus, the job was really not very attractive.Then again, maybe the word is out that Howie doesn't play well with others.

Or they basically said Howie's the GM and you report to him so no one that's looking to become a GM was interested.

Timing was never going to work for this. Coaches move on after the season, personnel guys move on after the draft. No team would allow anybody involved with draft prep to leave at this point, they'd be handing over complete knowledge of their player evaluations and rankings to a competitor.

The mystery is why the presented it like they were going to hire somebody immediately.

Translation: "Calm down everyone, I'm not really putting Howie back as GM."

 

[Ash]

We've got over 2 months till the draft. Way too early to project where guys will go.

And it comes down to can we win it all with Sam at QB and the current WR, OL and defensive players we have (with any rookies added in) in this next year? Cause that's about all we could afford if we signed him.

It won't bother me a bit if we can't afford anything more than a couple of mid level FAs each offseason for the next few years. Paying any of the top available FAs in any offseason is a sucker's bet. The best case scenario is that you get a guy who plays up to his contract. Worst case is a WTF brain snap like DeMarco Murray, a guy who's way overpaid and doesn't have any kind of success with the new team.

I'd rather what we're doing, pay guys we know well who have shown something.

 

[Ash]

What I don't want to happen is we pony up the bucks for Bradford but he still has Matthews, Agholar and Ertz as his main targets so the drop excuse will still exist. Then we have Pederson implementing a new offense. So will we have to wait till week 4, 5 or 6 before Bradford is acclimated again? Then we have Peters. Either he's here and he's breaking down so "there's pressure on Bradford" or he's gone and "its gonna take time for the new line to gel to help Bradford out."

Mainly, if he's getting paid top 10 money, I don't want to hear a single excuse if he struggles. He needs to show something.

Seems like we disagree on what to do with Bradford, but I agree with you on this point. The drops suck, but it isn't statistically significant in terms of Bradford's numbers, and a Top 12 type QB should be able to work with a few protection problems and drops.

I just think we're more likely to end up with that Top 12 QB if we hang onto Bradford than if we go to the draft. If Goff / Wentz / Lynch really are expected to be above average NFL starters, then Cleveland, Dallas, SF, and maybe even the Saints would be nuts not to take one. Not out of the question for the Giants or Chargers either, with mid 30s veterans.

Probably a 50/50 chance that all 3 are gone by #13, IMO.

ETA: If they tag Bradford and one of those guys is there and they think he's worth it, no problems at all if they take him. Either keep Bradford for the year, while the new guy learns, trade him or withdraw the tag if he hasn't signed it. Not saying Bradford is the only choice because he's not risk free either.

 

[babydemon90]

We've got over 2 months till the draft. Way too early to project where guys will go.

And it comes down to can we win it all with Sam at QB and the current WR, OL and defensive players we have (with any rookies added in) in this next year? Cause that's about all we could afford if we signed him.

It won't bother me a bit if we can't afford anything more than a couple of mid level FAs each offseason for the next few years. Paying any of the top available FAs in any offseason is a sucker's bet. The best case scenario is that you get a guy who plays up to his contract. Worst case is a WTF brain snap like DeMarco Murray, a guy who's way overpaid and doesn't have any kind of success with the new team.

I'd rather what we're doing, pay guys we know well who have shown something.

exactly. FA is when we go for the 'just a guy' contracts to fill the gaps. Go for the bargains with upside, and spend the money on guys in house. That boosts morale anyway - make the home grown talent feel appreciated.

 

[Slider]

There's no way 3 QB's go top 12 with Bradford, Kaep, RGIII and even Manziel out there. We'll probably end up with Chase Daniels and a rookie (at 13) this year.

 

[Ash]

There's no way 3 QB's go top 12 with Bradford, Kaep, RGIII and even Manziel out there. We'll probably end up with Chase Daniels and a rookie (at 13) this year.

Bradford maybe if the Eagles don't tag him, but Kaep, RG3 and Manziel? Are you kidding me?

Best chance Kaep and RG3 will get is a chance to compete with an incumbent, better than even money Manziel is out of the league for good after the Browns cut him. Those guys have all failed spectacularly once already, nobody's going to value them over highly regarded rookie prospect.

Manziel? You've gotta be trolling...

 

[Billy Bats]

We'll probably end up with Chase Daniels and a rookie (at 13) this year.

That's what I'm expecting.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Kaepernick wants out of San Fran. I would trade Bradford for Kaep and a 3rd this year. Bring in another free agent to compete with him and see how Kaep can do with some strong QB coaches:

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/2/10901106/colin-kaepernick-trade-rumors-49ers-san-francisco-quarterback-chip-kelly-eagles-sam-bradford-jets

I'd take a 2nd for Bradford and Kaep can go do whatever. Come on Chip. Bradfords worth a 2nd right?

Stop the "trade" Bradford stuff as it would have to be a sign and trade and that means Bradford signing long term in SF. Won't happen.

Kaep would be horrific in our WCO, I wouldn't take him and a third for Sam at ALL. Even a 2nd unless we have another plan at QB. This year is NOT the class for us to get our future QB in , so if you guys are fine on tanking and waiting for next years 1st round to get our franchise QB then fine let's tag and trade Sam.

We don't need to tank, but I do now think that the best course would be to let Bradford walk and lock up Cox. Let Pederson get a feel for the head coaching position and let Howie try to lay the groundwork for the future. We all know that "anything can happen" in the NFL, so you don't give up on a year, but right now I would say that the priority should be to reset and re-tool.

I also don't think that this team is that far off. I think that D will be fierce. I think Kiko's going to start his legend, Maxwell will be alright, Rowe and Hicks will take the next step very quickly and Cox will be an All-Pro. I also think the O-Line will shake out, they'll run the ball well and Ertz will become a top 7 TE (at a high level...not at a default level) in the league. To that...they need a QB and if next year and the year afte, they're a kick ### team with Sanchez or Jabroni Jones behind center, mucking it up....I'll be very dissapointed.

So if everything goes right, then they will be fine? I'm especially skeptical of the bolded being so easy.

A lot of people think Peters could be gone (though I don't necessarily agree). Either way, you have pretty big question marks at 3 of 5 positions, and that' even with giving Kelce the benefit of the doubt (which is probably reasonable).

I'm just saying that I am not getting my hopes up about a team with a first-year (and generally inexperienced) head coach, trying to install a new system, and generally trying to re-make the team's overall personality. And I am ok with looking at this as a longer-term deal and not expecting all quick fixes.

 

[Slider]

There's no way 3 QB's go top 12 with Bradford, Kaep, RGIII and even Manziel out there. We'll probably end up with Chase Daniels and a rookie (at 13) this year.

Bradford maybe if the Eagles don't tag him, but Kaep, RG3 and Manziel? Are you kidding me?

Best chance Kaep and RG3 will get is a chance to compete with an incumbent, better than even money Manziel is out of the league for good after the Browns cut him. Those guys have all failed spectacularly once already, nobody's going to value them over highly regarded rookie prospect.

Manziel? You've gotta be trolling...

There's some GM's out there who think they can fix a QB. There's also plenty that know that failing to nail a QB pick in the top 10 will get you fired. If Vick can get multiple jobs all those guys can get one.

 

[babydemon90]

I really like the idea of trading down and recouping a 2nd rounder this year. Getting some young talent to fill the trenches is going to be very important,

 

[Insein]

It's funny how we all gave Chip the free pass on the first year. Most of us expected 6-10 or maybe 7-9 if everything broke right that year. Now with Pederson, these media bozos expect that if we don't win the division with this awesome roster that they have been ripping apart for the last 6 months, he's an instant failure. It's amazing what preconceived notions can do.

 

[need2know]

I don't have high expectations for next year. That probably a good thing

 

[Deamon]

We'll probably end up with Chase Daniels and a rookie (at 13) this year.

That's what I'm expecting.

Anyone who thinks this will happen is naive. I don't buy the "you have NO clue who will go where in the draft" excuse over and over to justify screaming for a miracle QB to land at 13. The odds of us getting a qb at 13 are under 20%. There's no possible way to argue it's over 50% that a QB that we love slides to 13.

 

[Deamon]

What I don't want to happen is we pony up the bucks for Bradford but he still has Matthews, Agholar and Ertz as his main targets so the drop excuse will still exist. Then we have Pederson implementing a new offense. So will we have to wait till week 4, 5 or 6 before Bradford is acclimated again? Then we have Peters. Either he's here and he's breaking down so "there's pressure on Bradford" or he's gone and "its gonna take time for the new line to gel to help Bradford out."

Mainly, if he's getting paid top 10 money, I don't want to hear a single excuse if he struggles. He needs to show something.

Seems like we disagree on what to do with Bradford, but I agree with you on this point. The drops suck, but it isn't statistically significant in terms of Bradford's numbers, and a Top 12 type QB should be able to work with a few protection problems and drops.

I just think we're more likely to end up with that Top 12 QB if we hang onto Bradford than if we go to the draft. If Goff / Wentz / Lynch really are expected to be above average NFL starters, then Cleveland, Dallas, SF, and maybe even the Saints would be nuts not to take one. Not out of the question for the Giants or Chargers either, with mid 30s veterans.

Probably a 50/50 chance that all 3 are gone by #13, IMO.

ETA: If they tag Bradford and one of those guys is there and they think he's worth it, no problems at all if they take him. Either keep Bradford for the year, while the new guy learns, trade him or withdraw the tag if he hasn't signed it. Not saying Bradford is the only choice because he's not risk free either.

90% chance 2 of the 3 are. So to let Sam walk and bank our whole future on 1 dude being good value at 13 but slipping to us is insane. We need to stop thinking we are taking a qb round one, it isn't happening.

I do like the idea of trading back though. We could probably trade back 8 spots or so and pick up that missing 2nd rounder. And still get a fairly equivalent OL at 21 that we would at 13

 

[GoBirds]

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/howie-roseman-eagles-still-have-flexibility-under-cap

 

[Thunderlips]

Kaepernick wants out of San Fran. I would trade Bradford for Kaep and a 3rd this year. Bring in another free agent to compete with him and see how Kaep can do with some strong QB coaches:

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/2/10901106/colin-kaepernick-trade-rumors-49ers-san-francisco-quarterback-chip-kelly-eagles-sam-bradford-jets

I'd take a 2nd for Bradford and Kaep can go do whatever. Come on Chip. Bradfords worth a 2nd right?

Stop the "trade" Bradford stuff as it would have to be a sign and trade and that means Bradford signing long term in SF. Won't happen.

Kaep would be horrific in our WCO, I wouldn't take him and a third for Sam at ALL. Even a 2nd unless we have another plan at QB. This year is NOT the class for us to get our future QB in , so if you guys are fine on tanking and waiting for next years 1st round to get our franchise QB then fine let's tag and trade Sam.

We don't need to tank, but I do now think that the best course would be to let Bradford walk and lock up Cox. Let Pederson get a feel for the head coaching position and let Howie try to lay the groundwork for the future. We all know that "anything can happen" in the NFL, so you don't give up on a year, but right now I would say that the priority should be to reset and re-tool.

I also don't think that this team is that far off. I think that D will be fierce. I think Kiko's going to start his legend, Maxwell will be alright, Rowe and Hicks will take the next step very quickly and Cox will be an All-Pro. I also think the O-Line will shake out, they'll run the ball well and Ertz will become a top 7 TE (at a high level...not at a default level) in the league. To that...they need a QB and if next year and the year afte, they're a kick ### team with Sanchez or Jabroni Jones behind center, mucking it up....I'll be very dissapointed.

So if everything goes right, then they will be fine? I'm especially skeptical of the bolded being so easy.

A lot of people think Peters could be gone (though I don't necessarily agree). Either way, you have pretty big question marks at 3 of 5 positions, and that' even with giving Kelce the benefit of the doubt (which is probably reasonable).

I'm just saying that I am not getting my hopes up about a team with a first-year (and generally inexperienced) head coach, trying to install a new system, and generally trying to re-make the team's overall personality. And I am ok with looking at this as a longer-term deal and not expecting all quick fixes.

I agree with Eskin about Kiko; hadn't played for a year, got hurt and was ginger with the knee when he came back. I can't just dismiss what he did his first year in BUF and the almost universal praise for the guy.

Same with Rowe. He popped in the draft as a one of the more "NFL ready" players in the draft.

Even with Peters, I agree with what Hollis Thomas thought about him...he was dunzo with Chips philosophy and play style and a return to a more traditional O will do wonders for him.....even if it's at a Guard position.

I guess my view in regards to the talent on this team is that they were just put in an almost untenable position with Chipper and that now under the leadership of a more traditional NFL system....will revert back.

 

[massraider]

Pardon me for barging in. This is my favorite team-centric thread.

Cap space isn't a problem. Howie's dead right.

20 mill in cap space, and bouncing Sproles/Ryans/Cooper/Barwin, they can get to 32 mill without breaking a sweat. That's without considering Sanchez or Peters, I could see both being kept (but y'all know better than me).

They could also extend Jenkins, and lower his cap number by 4 mill easily as well. As well as the obvious Cox extension.

Down the road, there's a bit of concern, that's a lot of players on 2nd deals, and if Bradford gets a long term deal, it's probably a small window before tough decision have to be made, but whatever.

My guess is they franchise him, and see how the offseason plays out. I'd be interested to see what would happen if they franchised Bradford, and Lynch or Wentz was there at 13.

 

[Billy Bats]

We'll probably end up with Chase Daniels and a rookie (at 13) this year.

That's what I'm expecting.

Anyone who thinks this will happen is naive. I don't buy the "you have NO clue who will go where in the draft" excuse over and over to justify screaming for a miracle QB to land at 13. The odds of us getting a qb at 13 are under 20%. There's no possible way to argue it's over 50% that a QB that we love slides to 13.

Wow a whole bunch of bull#### just came spewing out of your keyboard! Not even sure how you came to all those conclusions on what I was thinking from the four words that I posted.

Am I naive to think any of these things are possible even before talking about the draft?

1. The Eagles don't want to pay Sam 18-22m a year.

2. Pederson could possibly not like Sam as his QB.

3. Pederson might be more comfortable with Chase as his starting QB, since they have worked together, knows his ability, and he knows his offense.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

We'll probably end up with Chase Daniels and a rookie (at 13) this year.

That's what I'm expecting.

Anyone who thinks this will happen is naive. I don't buy the "you have NO clue who will go where in the draft" excuse over and over to justify screaming for a miracle QB to land at 13. The odds of us getting a qb at 13 are under 20%. There's no possible way to argue it's over 50% that a QB that we love slides to 13.

Wow a whole bunch of bull#### just came spewing out of your keyboard! Not even sure how you came to all those conclusions on what I was thinking from the four words that I posted.

Am I naive to think any of these things are possible even before talking about the draft?

1. The Eagles don't want to pay Sam 18-22m a year.

2. Pederson could possibly not like Sam as his QB.

3. Pederson might be more comfortable with Chase as his starting QB, since they have worked together, knows his ability, and he knows his offense.

The overall point should be (IMHO) that just about anything is possible right now...Daniels, Bradford or a Wentz/Goff/Lynch as our QB.

 

[Deamon]

We'll probably end up with Chase Daniels and a rookie (at 13) this year.

That's what I'm expecting.

Anyone who thinks this will happen is naive. I don't buy the "you have NO clue who will go where in the draft" excuse over and over to justify screaming for a miracle QB to land at 13. The odds of us getting a qb at 13 are under 20%. There's no possible way to argue it's over 50% that a QB that we love slides to 13.

Wow a whole bunch of bull#### just came spewing out of your keyboard! Not even sure how you came to all those conclusions on what I was thinking from the four words that I posted.

Am I naive to think any of these things are possible even before talking about the draft?

1. The Eagles don't want to pay Sam 18-22m a year.

2. Pederson could possibly not like Sam as his QB.

3. Pederson might be more comfortable with Chase as his starting QB, since they have worked together, knows his ability, and he knows his offense.

No you're not naive to think those things at all. It was the "I'm expecting we take a QB at #13" thing.

 

[Deamon]

We'll probably end up with Chase Daniels and a rookie (at 13) this year.

That's what I'm expecting.

Anyone who thinks this will happen is naive. I don't buy the "you have NO clue who will go where in the draft" excuse over and over to justify screaming for a miracle QB to land at 13. The odds of us getting a qb at 13 are under 20%. There's no possible way to argue it's over 50% that a QB that we love slides to 13.

Wow a whole bunch of bull#### just came spewing out of your keyboard! Not even sure how you came to all those conclusions on what I was thinking from the four words that I posted.

Am I naive to think any of these things are possible even before talking about the draft?

1. The Eagles don't want to pay Sam 18-22m a year.

2. Pederson could possibly not like Sam as his QB.

3. Pederson might be more comfortable with Chase as his starting QB, since they have worked together, knows his ability, and he knows his offense.

The overall point should be (IMHO) that just about anything is possible right now...Daniels, Bradford or a Wentz/Goff/Lynch as our QB.

My point is, is that at some point we need to scratch a couple of those names off our list. Are we going to be a week from the draft with everyone putting Goff in their top 3 projected picks and saying "anythings possible, he could slide to 13 so there's a good chance we get him". I follow college and the draft quite a bit, and while I admit there's always unexpected slides, I don't see any possible way for us to be throwing Goff and even maybe Wentz's names around like they're legitimate options. There's a very small chance a QB is there at 13 that we love (yes still a chance, but it is a very small chance), so people saying they're expecting us to go QB at 13 without putting more in depth thought into it doesn't make sense to me.

 

[massraider]

10 days ago, Wentz at #13 wasn't a stretch at all. Just because everyone says 'you never know', doesn't mean they are wrong. Yeah, as it stands right now, it seems doubtful, but when Teddy came out, if you said in February he would fall out of the top 10, people would all start their posts with the phrase, 'no way'. It's too early, it just is. No combine, no workouts, no interviews yet.

Hackenburg could go in the top 15. Lynch could fly up. Wentz could 'fall'. It's all possible.

 

[Deamon]

10 days ago, Wentz at #13 wasn't a stretch at all. Just because everyone says 'you never know', doesn't mean they are wrong. Yeah, as it stands right now, it seems doubtful, but when Teddy came out, if you said in February he would fall out of the top 10, people would all start their posts with the phrase, 'no way'. It's too early, it just is. No combine, no workouts, no interviews yet.

Hackenburg could go in the top 15. Lynch could fly up. Wentz could 'fall'. It's all possible.

I agree possible. But people are talking about it like they're counting on it happening. For every Teddy situation there's 5 more where an expected top 5 guy on Feb 1st DOESN"T slip past #12. There's probably like you admit, a low percentage of it. Letting Sam walk before the draft would mean we are banking on something with a low probability of happening, to happen. I think that would be an extremely foolish risk to take by a new HC.

EDT: Especially now with Johnny expected to be cut, the thought of Cleveland not taking a QB at 2 seems far fetched.

 

[massraider]

10 days ago, Wentz at #13 wasn't a stretch at all. Just because everyone says 'you never know', doesn't mean they are wrong. Yeah, as it stands right now, it seems doubtful, but when Teddy came out, if you said in February he would fall out of the top 10, people would all start their posts with the phrase, 'no way'. It's too early, it just is. No combine, no workouts, no interviews yet.

Hackenburg could go in the top 15. Lynch could fly up. Wentz could 'fall'. It's all possible.

I agree possible. But people are talking about it like they're counting on it happening. For every Teddy situation there's 5 more where an expected top 5 guy on Feb 1st DOESN"T slip past #12. There's probably like you admit, a low percentage of it. Letting Sam walk before the draft would mean we are banking on something with a low probability of happening, to happen. I think that would be an extremely foolish risk to take by a new HC.

EDT: Especially now with Johnny expected to be cut, the thought of Cleveland not taking a QB at 2 seems far fetched.

Slightly off that topic, the group think among mock drafters is breathtaking. You see a lot of mocks with Cowboys taking Romo's replacement, and none going to San Diego. Rivers seems as close to the end as Romo, and Jerry likes Romo a lot more than Spanos likes Rivers.

I agree that Goff falling seems unlikely, I would even bet he goes top 5. Dunno if I would bet that Wentz did, however.

 

[Insein]

Cleveland was always considered a definite. It was Dallas, SF, NO that we aren't sure about.

 

[Deamon]

10 days ago, Wentz at #13 wasn't a stretch at all. Just because everyone says 'you never know', doesn't mean they are wrong. Yeah, as it stands right now, it seems doubtful, but when Teddy came out, if you said in February he would fall out of the top 10, people would all start their posts with the phrase, 'no way'. It's too early, it just is. No combine, no workouts, no interviews yet.

Hackenburg could go in the top 15. Lynch could fly up. Wentz could 'fall'. It's all possible.

I agree possible. But people are talking about it like they're counting on it happening. For every Teddy situation there's 5 more where an expected top 5 guy on Feb 1st DOESN"T slip past #12. There's probably like you admit, a low percentage of it. Letting Sam walk before the draft would mean we are banking on something with a low probability of happening, to happen. I think that would be an extremely foolish risk to take by a new HC.

EDT: Especially now with Johnny expected to be cut, the thought of Cleveland not taking a QB at 2 seems far fetched.

Slightly off that topic, the group think among mock drafters is breathtaking. You see a lot of mocks with Cowboys taking Romo's replacement, and none going to San Diego. Rivers seems as close to the end as Romo, and Jerry likes Romo a lot more than Spanos likes Rivers.

I agree that Goff falling seems unlikely, I would even bet he goes top 5. Dunno if I would bet that Wentz did, however.

Rivers doesn't have the health concerns that Romo has though, and SD may not be quite as close to being a contender. Dallas could be a contender then lose Romo to injury and be screwed (see 2015). They're also a franchise who has traditionally, albeit not as much as of late, taken big risks in drafts. Rivers is younger too and I expect him to be starting in this league longer then Tony, but that's just my opinion.

I'm torn on Wentz. But if he shows that he can be a franchise QB over the next few months, then no way I see Dallas or San Fran passing on him. And if he doesn't show that he can be, and those teams pass on him, I don't want him as our first round pick in a very important draft. I still think he ends up going to Dallas or San Fran though... especially now that it doesn't seem like Colin is going to be their QB next year.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Cleveland was always considered a definite. It was Dallas, SF, NO that we aren't sure about.

I'll believe Cleveland does it when they actually do. This is the same team that knew Gordon would be lost for a season, had 2 picks in like the top 10 or something and didn't draft a WR at all I believe. They're to much of a mess to count on to do a logical thing IMO.

From a purely political side teams like Dallas and SD cant draft a QB without cutting the ones they have.

SF almost has to take a QB though

 

[need2know]

I think sf is the only team that takes one unless someone trades up

 

[Insein]

Sounds like Howie is not impressed with DeMarco

 

[JAA]

Sounds like Howie is not impressed with DeMarco

Link? I dont see that anywhere

 

[Deamon]

I think sf is the only team that takes one unless someone trades up

You honestly think Cleve passes on a QB and goes into next year with Austin Davis??

They're taking a QB. SF looks like they will too, but never know with Chip.