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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)

Insein said:
Deamon said:
Dr. Octopus said:
JuniorNB said:
Do you think the Giants and Packers think they've struck gold with Eli and Rodgers?
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Personally, I would stop making the argument that Bradford is anything other than a league average QB because he happened to have a five game stretch where his QB rating (a flawed measuring tool) was better than Aaron Rodgers during the worst season of his career.
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He also happened to have a flawed first 5 games being in a new system, 2 years out of football, coming off of injury, with awful WRs. It seems more then fair to discount the start of the season. If you've followed the thread you'd know that even the biggest Bradford supporters are not arguing that he is elite. It's that the chances of us acquiring an elite qb are extremely low and Sam is our best chance to win. You don't need an elite QB to win in this league (see Peyton Manning)
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So this year he'll be 1 year removed from injury, in a new system with the same crappy WRs. How games do we spot him to get into form? 3? 4? It's not his fault after all.

And if we don't need an elite QB to win the super bowl, why would we spend the cap space like we have one?
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man, this Bradford talk won't go away. I have been looking more into Bradford's year this last year, and I have to say his numbers are even worse than I thought. Ideas that Bradford is potentially a top 10-15 QB are just wrong. The guys at bleedinggreennation had a good article about it:

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/10/10957808/sam-bradford-eagles-nfl-free-agency-contract-quarterback-franchise-tag-analysis

http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/9/10943240/2015-eagles-season-myths-sam-bradford-drops-stats-demarco-murray-byron-maxwell-nfl-chip-Kelly

I think the second one was the better one. The stats are not good to Bradford. Talk about how even counting many of the drops that occurred as catches still has Bradford as 21st QB at best. Bunch of other stuff too. And I have heard/seen some other stats recently that are not really comforting either. The amount of receptions to RBs is way higher than other teams, etc.

Just have to say the more I read and see what Bradford's season actually looked like, the more I am really worried if we rely on Bradford for much of anything.

 
Insein said:
Deamon said:
The Dallas game.
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I give him the one play. But outside of that, he was 24/35 for 254, 0 TDs, 0 ints. Perfectly average. You remember that game. We could have put it away in regulation with a couple of drives. He got it done 1 time against the worst team in the NFC this year.
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I would have to go game by game, but one that stands out to me is the first Washington game (I think). And I remember specifically in that game Redskins, who already had a poor secondary, were missing both starting CBs. It was also the game where Bradford hadn't thrown a pass over 15-20 yards before, and the Skins defense game planned for that. He threw a couple nice deep balls, but I also remember the WRs being open by a good 5-7 yards. He has thrown a nice pass from time to time, but there aren't many games the Eagles won because of Bradford. A lot more were with him being basically a game manager and cutting down on mistakes, which I will agree is a key component for a QB too.

And I want to emphasize I am putting this out there to not argue pro or con Bradford. This is simply a review of the games this season and trying to evaluate Bradford's performance. More alarming to me was that I don't remember a game that the Eagles played well from start to finish

ETA: I also think looking at the specifics is so key. I know Bradford played better in the 2nd half of the Atlanta game. But I think looking at specifics over half of those passes were screens to the RBs. that Dallas game had a horrendous secondary too

 
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and quick note here about the one article I mentioned above (http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/9/10943240/2015-eagles-season-myths-sam-bradford-drops-stats-demarco-murray-byron-maxwell-nfl-chip-Kelly). I have a feeling we are going to have to agree to disagree about all of our assessments about Bradford because I do not know if either view will be able to convince the other. But I did see something surprising in that article that can hopefully bring some optimism to this thread:

hmm, can't cut and paste to well here, but it shows Maxwell played pretty well from October on. And I don't think the defense adjusted much (i.e. gave him more help or whatever), but it did seem like he played better. I know some games like the Detroit game, they simply focused on exploiting Rowe, but still we might be able to be pleased with this one.

 
modogg said:
Insein said:
Deamon said:
The Dallas game.
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I give him the one play. But outside of that, he was 24/35 for 254, 0 TDs, 0 ints. Perfectly average. You remember that game. We could have put it away in regulation with a couple of drives. He got it done 1 time against the worst team in the NFC this year.
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I would have to go game by game, but one that stands out to me is the first Washington game (I think). And I remember specifically in that game Redskins, who already had a poor secondary, were missing both starting CBs. It was also the game where Bradford hadn't thrown a pass over 15-20 yards before, and the Skins defense game planned for that. He threw a couple nice deep balls, but I also remember the WRs being open by a good 5-7 yards. He has thrown a nice pass from time to time, but there aren't many games the Eagles won because of Bradford. A lot more were with him being basically a game manager and cutting down on mistakes, which I will agree is a key component for a QB too.

And I want to emphasize I am putting this out there to not argue pro or con Bradford. This is simply a review of the games this season and trying to evaluate Bradford's performance. More alarming to me was that I don't remember a game that the Eagles played well from start to finish

ETA: I also think looking at the specifics is so key. I know Bradford played better in the 2nd half of the Atlanta game. But I think looking at specifics over half of those passes were screens to the RBs. that Dallas game had a horrendous secondary too
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After the Bradford trade I watched about 6 full games with All 22 film, and aside from the obvious physical skills, I didn't like much of what I saw which is one of the reasons I was pretty down on the trade when it happened. To me, he looked like a different player in the 2nd half of the season here than what I saw in those games. I'm not saying he's Aaron Rodgers all of a sudden, but he showed enough improvement that I want to see what he can do for another year. If the improvement continues we can try and keep him. If it's same old, same old with the injuries and inconsistency then move on. Insein is right in saying that the excuses can't continue to be made forever. Good QBs are rare enough though that I don't want to let one go with an Incomplete grade.

 
I guess, at this point I'm hoping for Franchise or nothing. Just don't trust long term production to be more then mediocrity. And - doesn't sound like Eagles are going to franchise, so I'm guessing it's nothing, Sounds cliche - but guarantee they are watching every bit f film on him they can. If they don't sign him - its because they dont feel he's worth it.

 
Ash said:
modogg said:
Insein said:
Deamon said:
The Dallas game.
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I give him the one play. But outside of that, he was 24/35 for 254, 0 TDs, 0 ints. Perfectly average. You remember that game. We could have put it away in regulation with a couple of drives. He got it done 1 time against the worst team in the NFC this year.
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I would have to go game by game, but one that stands out to me is the first Washington game (I think). And I remember specifically in that game Redskins, who already had a poor secondary, were missing both starting CBs. It was also the game where Bradford hadn't thrown a pass over 15-20 yards before, and the Skins defense game planned for that. He threw a couple nice deep balls, but I also remember the WRs being open by a good 5-7 yards. He has thrown a nice pass from time to time, but there aren't many games the Eagles won because of Bradford. A lot more were with him being basically a game manager and cutting down on mistakes, which I will agree is a key component for a QB too.

And I want to emphasize I am putting this out there to not argue pro or con Bradford. This is simply a review of the games this season and trying to evaluate Bradford's performance. More alarming to me was that I don't remember a game that the Eagles played well from start to finish

ETA: I also think looking at the specifics is so key. I know Bradford played better in the 2nd half of the Atlanta game. But I think looking at specifics over half of those passes were screens to the RBs. that Dallas game had a horrendous secondary too
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After the Bradford trade I watched about 6 full games with All 22 film, and aside from the obvious physical skills, I didn't like much of what I saw which is one of the reasons I was pretty down on the trade when it happened. To me, he looked like a different player in the 2nd half of the season here than what I saw in those games. I'm not saying he's Aaron Rodgers all of a sudden, but he showed enough improvement that I want to see what he can do for another year. If the improvement continues we can try and keep him. If it's same old, same old with the injuries and inconsistency then move on. Insein is right in saying that the excuses can't continue to be made forever. Good QBs are rare enough though that I don't want to let one go with an Incomplete grade.
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:goodposting: While I thought he showed enough, positions like this are more than reasonable IMO

 
Evans talk heating up. Nothing official. All mostly wishful thinking at this point I think. But it would be nice to get a solid vet wrapped up before FA even begins.

 
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Insein said:
Evans talk heating up. Nothing official. All mostly wishful thinking at this point I think. But it would be nice to get a solid vet wrapped up before FA even begins.
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Where are you hearing this?

 
Pederson on Sam:

"I've told him that he's very capable of leading this team deep into the postseason," Pederson said of his conversations with the quarterback.

While Pederson "would love to have everybody back," he "can't fault a player for getting an opportunity to become one of the top-paid players in the National Football League and that's where Sam's at right now."

Pederson understands that the quarterback decision "needs to be right for the team." If the Eagles choose to look toward the NFL Draft to address the quarterback position, Pederson said that there are a "couple of guys who could come in and potentially start right away."

"The ideal situation would be to get one of those guys and have him possibly sit for a year or two and learn your system, understand your community, understand your fan base, understand your media before you throw him out there to the wolves," Pederson said.

"There's ways of getting it done without putting all of the pressure on your quarterback."

How far is this Eagles team from being a contender as it is currently constructed? Pederson believes that it "is very close. When you evaluate this team, this roster, you're a few pieces away, possibly,"

 
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JuniorNB said:
Eagles should NOT get a free agent WR (although at the end he writes a cheapie would be OK)

http://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-should-stay-away-free-agent-wide-receivers/
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Other than Jeffrey, none of them are special talents.  Although I wouldn't mind signing Benjamin if the price is right. He's a burner that would open up some of the underneath routes.


would be kind of strange to try and big in a WR, and not sure where this is exactly coming from. I guess it is a need looking at last year, but you have basically 2 1st round picks, one in his 3rd year and one in his 2nd. I would think that they lean very heavily on both of these guys this year and see if they are the WRs of the future for the team, or if they may need to bail on one (really hopefully not both)

 
Still getting used to it. Hopefully they add the twekin options like having 50 posts a page and more than 10 topics on the page for mobile.

 
Insein said:
Still getting used to it. Hopefully they add the twekin options like having 50 posts a page and more than 10 topics on the page for mobile.
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So.  Much.  White.

Feel like I need to put my sunglasses on. Too much wasted space as well.  Hopefully the formatting tweaks are coming.

 
I'm coming around to a different plan I've heard. Let Bradford walk. Sign Daniel. Draft OT in the first.  Rest is BPA but a lot of defense.  Draft a QB late if there but not as a future starter. Depth and see what happens. Use this season to evaluate your pieces. If we're awful, good. Then we'll have a high draft pick and we get our QB next year. If we're mediocre, no worse than where we would be. If we're good, well that's a surprise. 

Kind of what we thought Kellys first season should be. Then he shocked us when Foles went nuts. I'd like to see what we have on this team and lock up the key role players before committing to QB either in FA or draft. 

 
Signing key players to long contracts is going to go a long way as some players grumbled about a lack of job security when Chip was here. 

 
Insein said:
I'm coming around to a different plan I've heard. Let Bradford walk. Sign Daniel. Draft OT in the first.  Rest is BPA but a lot of defense.  Draft a QB late if there but not as a future starter. Depth and see what happens. Use this season to evaluate your pieces. If we're awful, good. Then we'll have a high draft pick and we get our QB next year. If we're mediocre, no worse than where we would be. If we're good, well that's a surprise. 

Kind of what we thought Kellys first season should be. Then he shocked us when Foles went nuts. I'd like to see what we have on this team and lock up the key role players before committing to QB either in FA or draft. 
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this is what seemed to make the most sense to me the entire time. I get the whole Pederson have a bond with Lurie through Reid, but you don't bring in a QB-centric coach like Pederson, who has groomed Daniel for the last 3 years, to have him experiment with finding a long-term QB. i honestly can't think of any reason why Daniel wouldn't come here immediately if he has a chance to start. Even if it is training camp battle, i would think him coming to work with Pederson just makes a ton of sense. It is a quick turn around for the team too and not a new rebuild.

i know what makes the most sense is not what happens in the NFL too often, but in all honesty this one really seems obvious. I guess there is the chance that Daniel hated pederson or wants to remain a back-up in KC, but i think this one just seems like it was even almost planned by Lurie and Pederson, and it just so happened to work with-in the Eagles plans as well

 
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/17/pro-bradford-thurmond-among-key-free-agent-decisions-for-eagles/

Some interesting thoughts for the Eagles and FA.    Definitely agree we should come out of FA with a OG or two. 

The defense puzzles me.  There is a lot of buzz about it, how the players are all above average to good that need to be retained, all graded well - let the defense was horrific last season.  Was Chip Kelly/Billy Davis THAT bad for the defense?  I hope so, and I've been very critical of Billy Davis for quite a while, but I still think going from 30th to top 5 is a bit too optimistic.

 
babydemon90 said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/17/pro-bradford-thurmond-among-key-free-agent-decisions-for-eagles/

Some interesting thoughts for the Eagles and FA.    Definitely agree we should come out of FA with a OG or two. 

The defense puzzles me.  There is a lot of buzz about it, how the players are all above average to good that need to be retained, all graded well - let the defense was horrific last season.  Was Chip Kelly/Billy Davis THAT bad for the defense?  I hope so, and I've been very critical of Billy Davis for quite a while, but I still think going from 30th to top 5 is a bit too optimistic.
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It was the combo of Chip's offense wearing on the defense over the course of a season and Billy Davis scheming then into bad positions. 

 
babydemon90 said:
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2016/2/18/11051972/eagles-philadelphia-front-office-2016-nfl-draft-college-scouting-coordinator-howie-roseman

SO, no college scouting director or coordinator.  Neat - I guess if we just go the BPA from the various media outlets we can't go too wrong?
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One of the beat reporters said the scouting coordinator job was to schedule pro days, on-campus visits and combine interviews. Considering that's right around the corner, maybe his job for this season was already done.

 
Insein said:
"It goes then between all of us and whether we can figure something out that makes sense on both sides," said Roseman.
 

So yea We'd like him back of he'll come back for around $14-15m per year.  
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So - realistically, who's paying him 20+ million?

Houston?  I think they are the best candidate, but there are sources saying Houston's tired of retreads at QB and wants to go young.

SF? Maybe.  If they cut Kaepernick, I can see them making a run at Bradford.  My gut says they at least Kaep a shot in Chip's system though. 

Denver? Not if they resign Osweiler - if they let Osweiler test FA, maybe. 

I don't see a ton of competition for his services out there though - Maybe you offer 15 mil, and if he balks, you let him test the waters, and see if there really is a suitor out there willing to pay that.

 
Looks like that's what they're doing. We'll see though. Easy to say on 2/19 but when 3/7 comes, the agents earn their paychecks.

 
All I want is best player available except for rb there isn't another position where a good player wouldnt be used. Get a lineman in free agency other then that all the weakness are about the same.

 
Nagle2998 said:
All I want is best player available except for rb there isn't another position where a good player wouldnt be used. Get a lineman in free agency other then that all the weakness are about the same.
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If there's an OL and a DL that are close to the same when our pick comes up I want to take the OL 100 out of 100 times.  I get everyone's obsession with BPA but if it's CLOSE, then I think going after a position of need is the way to go, and we need OL far more then DL.

 
Agreed. Out of all the things Chip did to ruin this team, not  drafting OL was his most aggregious. We would say it in the thread every year. No OL?  Didinger said today that since the draft began (1934) the Eagles had never had back to back drafts where they didn't take at least 1 OL. Now the old drafts you had 19 rounds but still that's amazing.

 
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