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Official 2016 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (2 Viewers)
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Good answer by Ben on the question, 'couldn't you have just snuck the ball in there at the GL.' 'Go with the play that is called' Translation, 'yeah, I would have scored but my OC is a moron'
Seriously it was a stupid call. This is the playoffs, You do what ever it takes to put it in the EZ. 1 ####### foot away.
Seriously it was a stupid call. This is the playoffs, You do what ever it takes to put it in the EZ. 1 ####### foot away.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I'm not going to fly off the handle here. This was a good season this year. The team was sick all week and we have no idea how that affected play but they definitely looked out muscled tonight, particularly against the Pats OL. I'm as frustrated as the rest of you that Butler tried the same #### that Lebeau tried that hasn't worked since Rich Gannon torched our ### on MNF 10 ####### years ago. BUT he did a good job with what he had the rest of the season.
It's time for Timmons to move on. He was the worst rated on PFF for the front 7. Shazier and Tuitt need to grow up as players and stop relying on purely raw talent. Honestly I'm surprised Harrison's smarts didn't rub off. Somehow, at 38, the guy was the top rated on the front 7.
On offense it was clear Ben was missing a complementary piece to go with AB. Bryant needs to be clean or Coates also needs to have the diapers come off. I think the offense having the full assortment of pieces is a pipe dream. That's the nature of the NFL is that someone gets hurt. I hope Green figures out his concussion issues because he could be a big part of the offense next year.
Will be interesting to see what they do in the draft and how they handle AB and Bell this offseason. The crossroads is coming soon and someone will most likely have to go.
It's time for Timmons to move on. He was the worst rated on PFF for the front 7. Shazier and Tuitt need to grow up as players and stop relying on purely raw talent. Honestly I'm surprised Harrison's smarts didn't rub off. Somehow, at 38, the guy was the top rated on the front 7.
On offense it was clear Ben was missing a complementary piece to go with AB. Bryant needs to be clean or Coates also needs to have the diapers come off. I think the offense having the full assortment of pieces is a pipe dream. That's the nature of the NFL is that someone gets hurt. I hope Green figures out his concussion issues because he could be a big part of the offense next year.
Will be interesting to see what they do in the draft and how they handle AB and Bell this offseason. The crossroads is coming soon and someone will most likely have to go.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I know secondary was a huge need in the last draft, and the players we picked exceeded my expectations (that weren't all that high to begin with) but I really wanted front 7 and more specifically pass-rushers. If ANY QB, Brady or Osweiller, has that much time to pass, they can beat you. LBs are a huge need.
Jesse is a solid 2nd TE, not a weapon. There are 3 TEs rated pretty highly in this draft that are not only good blockers but weapons as well. I think having alternate weapons for Ben was our downfall this game. We really had nowhere else to go after they took Brown away. Eli did fine, and I like him as a slot guy, but we need help with pass catchers too.
Jesse is a solid 2nd TE, not a weapon. There are 3 TEs rated pretty highly in this draft that are not only good blockers but weapons as well. I think having alternate weapons for Ben was our downfall this game. We really had nowhere else to go after they took Brown away. Eli did fine, and I like him as a slot guy, but we need help with pass catchers too.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
So, who gets the honor of starting the '17 Steelers thread?
HellToupee
Footballguy
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I think he would have made a significant difference tonight. We HAVE to have an alternate outlet.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
If then had Bell they score a TD there. Would that have made a difference in the game? No. Would it have given us a lot of hope at halftime? Yes. Bottom line- the defense did nothing and that's the reason why we lost. It's why we always lose against this team.
HellToupee
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
What do people think of Sean Davis?
I recall watching him a few times before the draft last season, I was looking at him as a potential free safety rather than a corner. I saw some bad angles and generally just playing too loose in coverage and allowing easy receptions.
In the game last night it seemed like Davis kept playing more off as the game went on. The Patriots been known to throw underneath and with how far off Davis was playing, that was open all game.
I recall watching him a few times before the draft last season, I was looking at him as a potential free safety rather than a corner. I saw some bad angles and generally just playing too loose in coverage and allowing easy receptions.
In the game last night it seemed like Davis kept playing more off as the game went on. The Patriots been known to throw underneath and with how far off Davis was playing, that was open all game.
You're proud of that collection of players and coaches? The same ones who think that we can just keep doing what we do instead of adjusting and somehow the end result will improve? Who, half of whom, don't know or don't care to tackle correctly? Who drop TDs, commit undisciplined penalties and mistakes (more in the regular season, granted) and who put their own egos above the team? They sicken me, and I'm also angry with myself for believing they could do better in Foxboro this time. Their heads have been up their asses since the last Super Bowl win. That was a shameful performance yesterday leaving zero to be proud of, IMO.
HellToupee
Footballguy
I realize players have to execute on both sides of the ball but I'm furious about the Ds game plan . I'm
Furious here. I can't ever remember being so angry after a game. No sleep last night. Got rolling to work by 5AM and tried like hell to hit a deer but, like the Steelers defense, I was constantly out of position and couldn't bring any down.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Absolutely agree. Rogers is fine for what he is -- a slot guy that comes in when we go 4 wide. I'm completely done with Sammy Coates; he just can't be trusted to catch the ball and those huge drops on perfectly thrown deep balls are an absolute killer. Hamilton shouldn't have been on the field at all IMO -- much less evidently being counted on as a go to guy in a game like this when he's running OOB in the end zone and dropping a ball that hits him right in the numbers.
I don't think that we can or should count on Bryant at all. At this point, he's Josh Gordon -- how many times do we need to get burned before we realize that he just doesn't care about football or the team as much as he needs to? If he can turn himself around, great -- but the team needs to move on and plan under the assumption that he's not available moving forward.
Same deal with Green, although for completely different reasons obviously. This just sucks, because I think that he could actually be a major weapon, but there's nothing that you can do about concussions. Same deal as with Bryant, IMO. When he can actually play, great, it's a bonus, but plan as if he won't be there.
Wheaton is a UFA -- I don't love him or anything, but he is at least a decent WR who isn't likely to completely blow it when thrown to. He'll probably be fairly cheap considering what happened this year. Re-sign him IMO assuming it's a reasonable deal.
We really need to address the lack of WR depth in free agency this year -- no counting on rookies when our window is open (but likely closing, Ben won't play forever). A steady unspectacular vet or two that can at least catch the damn football might have made some difference yesterday (although we still lose based on the awful defense).
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I was not happy we drafted him because of reasons stated in your post, and I'll add that he is not a very good tackler (for a safety) either, but can lay some big hits for a CB (not exactly a crusher as far as safeties go). He has exceeded my expectations, but those were low to begin with. A round later, and I would have been happy with the pick. I think he is the kind of guy you want in sub-packages, not a starting safety. He is serviceable, but just a hair less than adequate. Not the biggest problem we have on D by a long shot. A good band-aid. My hopes for last year's draft was Karl Joseph, but he was snagged up right in front of us, or a disruptor for the D line like Vernon Butler. Yes, we needed secondary badly but I don't think they got a lot of value at those picks. OK, but not great. Probably more a matter of our guys were sniped before we picked. I remember William Jackson was gushed over by us (thanks for letting everybody know) and Cincy took him one pick ahead of us. He was much more of a difference maker this year than Burns (who was not terrible by any means). Joseph and Shaq Lawson were also hopes of mine to drop to us but were already gone. Second round was more of the same. Plenty of guys that could fall to us, just didn't.
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Steeler
Footballguy
From an overall POV (and in a vacuum discounting what we all saw last night) the season should be considered a success - losing the AFCC game in NE was better than most expected.
However, while the bitter lose is still fresh I want to say again how much this defensive game plan sucked balls. Many fans from many different teams said before the game that if the Steelers did what they have done in the past the result would be the same - and it was. I think most Steeler fans were hopeful the Steelers would come up with something different instead of that abomination. At one point on 3rd and long I said to my daughter before the snap that Brady was going to throw to the guy at the top of the screen and sure enough he did (the cushion was so damn big it was obvious).
So now I'm left wondering why/how this game plan was formulated. What was the thought process for trying the same exact thing that Brady has destroyed in the past? I'm sure they expected better execution, but giving that ####### big cushion is ridiculous no matter what kind of D you are playing. Are the players so bad that they can't even attempt to play man to man on a few snaps just to shake things up? Even if you play a zone defense why didn't the Steelers jam the WRs? I really just cannot comprehend what I saw - it makes absolutely zero sense.
If the coaching is that bad, then it seems their best option is to wait for Belicheck to retire - lol. If the players can't play man to man, or even jam a WR before falling into zone coverage then I guess they need to keep picking DBs in the draft?
I felt so much more optimistic after last year's loss in DEN a round before the AFCC game than I do right now.
However, while the bitter lose is still fresh I want to say again how much this defensive game plan sucked balls. Many fans from many different teams said before the game that if the Steelers did what they have done in the past the result would be the same - and it was. I think most Steeler fans were hopeful the Steelers would come up with something different instead of that abomination. At one point on 3rd and long I said to my daughter before the snap that Brady was going to throw to the guy at the top of the screen and sure enough he did (the cushion was so damn big it was obvious).
So now I'm left wondering why/how this game plan was formulated. What was the thought process for trying the same exact thing that Brady has destroyed in the past? I'm sure they expected better execution, but giving that ####### big cushion is ridiculous no matter what kind of D you are playing. Are the players so bad that they can't even attempt to play man to man on a few snaps just to shake things up? Even if you play a zone defense why didn't the Steelers jam the WRs? I really just cannot comprehend what I saw - it makes absolutely zero sense.
If the coaching is that bad, then it seems their best option is to wait for Belicheck to retire - lol. If the players can't play man to man, or even jam a WR before falling into zone coverage then I guess they need to keep picking DBs in the draft?
I felt so much more optimistic after last year's loss in DEN a round before the AFCC game than I do right now.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Unfortunately, the bolded seems to have been the midset -- it's really the only thing that makes sense, honestly. The complete lack of selling out to try to get pressure was awful, too.From an overall POV (and in a vacuum discounting what we all saw last night) the season should be considered a success - losing the AFCC game in NE was better than most expected.
However, while the bitter lose is still fresh I want to say again how much this defensive game plan sucked balls. Many fans from many different teams said before the game that if the Steelers did what they have done in the past the result would be the same - and it was. I think most Steeler fans were hopeful the Steelers would come up with something different instead of that abomination. At one point on 3rd and long I said to my daughter before the snap that Brady was going to throw to the guy at the top of the screen and sure enough he did (the cushion was so damn big it was obvious).
So now I'm left wondering why/how this game plan was formulated. What was the thought process for trying the same exact thing that Brady has destroyed in the past? I'm sure they expected better execution, but giving that ####### big cushion is ridiculous no matter what kind of D you are playing. Are the players so bad that they can't even attempt to play man to man on a few snaps just to shake things up? Even if you play a zone defense why didn't the Steelers jam the WRs? I really just cannot comprehend what I saw - it makes absolutely zero sense.
If the coaching is that bad, then it seems their best option is to wait for Belicheck to retire - lol. If the players can't play man to man, or even jam a WR before falling into zone coverage then I guess they need to keep picking DBs in the draft?
I felt so much more optimistic after last year's loss in DEN a round before the AFCC game than I do right now.
Agreed.From an overall POV (and in a vacuum discounting what we all saw last night) the season should be considered a success - losing the AFCC game in NE was better than most expected.
However, while the bitter lose is still fresh I want to say again how much this defensive game plan sucked balls. Many fans from many different teams said before the game that if the Steelers did what they have done in the past the result would be the same - and it was. I think most Steeler fans were hopeful the Steelers would come up with something different instead of that abomination. At one point on 3rd and long I said to my daughter before the snap that Brady was going to throw to the guy at the top of the screen and sure enough he did (the cushion was so damn big it was obvious).
So now I'm left wondering why/how this game plan was formulated. What was the thought process for trying the same exact thing that Brady has destroyed in the past? I'm sure they expected better execution, but giving that ####### big cushion is ridiculous no matter what kind of D you are playing. Are the players so bad that they can't even attempt to play man to man on a few snaps just to shake things up? Even if you play a zone defense why didn't the Steelers jam the WRs? I really just cannot comprehend what I saw - it makes absolutely zero sense.
If the coaching is that bad, then it seems their best option is to wait for Belicheck to retire - lol. If the players can't play man to man, or even jam a WR before falling into zone coverage then I guess they need to keep picking DBs in the draft?
I felt so much more optimistic after last year's loss in DEN a round before the AFCC game than I do right now.
I don't like the Patriots & was rooting for a Steelers win. My wife's family are steelers fans & my 5 year-old is a Steeler fan, so we were watching the game at my SIL's house. I was watching them leave Hogan wide open & watching Burns giving 10-15 yard cushions at the snap (on 3rd and 8, 3rd and 10, etc) and telling my son this was bad defense. He kept asking me why I was rooting against the Steelers. I tried to explain that they were playing a stupid defense that wouldn't work, not that I didn't want it to work.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I know exactly the play you're referring to. I did exactly the same and said (to my wife) before the snap, "First down to the receiver at the top." The Pats were going right to left on the TV.
What I saw from our players is that they don't understand the progression in a zone defense. They play like the defenses on the Madden video games (prior to current gen of the new edition where they actually used NFL coaches to fix the AI to play like a real defense), where they just drop to their "spot" and play anyone that runs into it. I saw several times in replays yesterday where our guys were covering a large patch of grass with nobody in it (Golden on the non-flea-flicker TD). That is not how zone is supposed to be played. There should be a progression where you understand that if, for instance, the X receiver goes vertical, the CB follows him but if X cuts in, you check down to the Y to see if he goes vertical and then that would be your assignment and so on. There are youtube videos that explain it much better, but essentially zone concepts are a progressive read that then kind of morphs into man coverages. There is always something to be doing or at least aiding others with. Our guys don't seem to understand this at all, and why I'm very curious why Gay was dropped down the depth chart. He seemed to be the only one who played the scheme correctly. Cockrell does only OK, and the rest seem lost. Also irritates me to no end that for such a lightning bolt, Shazier is only average at best in coverage. Timmons has gotten to big, fat and old to be what he was a few years ago and is now a liability in coverage as well because of quickness, but at least he seems to be competent in the schemes (and why he still got a couple big INTs this year). Intelligence is just as, and sometimes more important than athletic ability and the Patriots know this. KC and Seattle also seem to weigh intelligence more than other teams (Berry, Thomas, Sherman, etc.). Knowing where to be can give you the first step or two advantage to make up for a lack of raw skills and also to prevent big mistakes that only Deion type gifts can make up for.
All that about the defense is true and this was an offense sorely missing a ton of playmakers as well. Still both gameplans sucked on both sides of the ball and I'm not really proud of the Steelers season or anything because they made the AFCG. They looked like a team that won a weak AFC Central and had to go through Matt Moore and Alex Smith and got exposed when they had to face a legit QB. You can only beat who you play but nothing impressive to their season to me.
Like many nothing frustrated me more than the defensive gameplan. Was hard to watch to be honest.
Looking ahead it's hard to think they can put the pieces together to beat NE and any chance they have of getting to the SB seems like it will rest with needing another team to beat NE for them, which has been the case in the past. Of course not sure Steelers even make playoffs next season and how matchups would unfold but just the same I think I'll be rooting for the Texans to make the playoffs next season. Their formula, which is the ability to put heavy pressure without blitzing is far and away better designed to matchup with NE then the Steelers, even if they are an inferior team. Might need Watt/Clowney duo to do the dirty work for us to even make it out of the AFC over the next few seasons.
If there is any reason for optimism it would be possible return of Martavis, Cam and this draft is stocked with exactly what the Steelers need, edge rushers and secondary.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
. . . and a true #1 TE if for some reason the other needs are sniped again. This could be a good draft for us, but more likely we did the same as usual and played just well enough to pick low enough and miss out on the hot spots in the draft.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Brandon Marshall could make a very nice #2 if nobody wants to pay him #1 money anymore. Obviously Bryant is an ideal #2, but I don't count on him anymore. I agree with the Josh Gordon comparison. Wheaton should be cheap to retain, but I like him as a #4 or a backup flanker with Eli in the slot. J. James makes a terrific #2 TE but the rookies could be our next Heath / Bruener.
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fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Even with the lack of a defensive scheme yesterday, I actually thought the defense was playing at a high enough level where they could still do some damage. I was duped. Definitely would not want to count on Bryant for anything at this point.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Because Coates taught him how to catch.
All kidding aside, I agree. He is also a very willing a capable blocker.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Agree with most of this but hell to the no on Marshall IMO. Don't want the sideshow and don't want him in our locker room either. He's just not worth putting up with now that he's not elite anymore.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
He's not the penis he used to be. Hasn't been for a couple years after he got the mental health diagnosis and meds. Actually been a pretty good guy from what I remember. If not him, anyone that is not quite good enough to be a #1 (like Sanu for the Falcons). We can't allow ourselves to become so one dimensional if Brown or Bell has to miss any time. Our D was the problem yesterday, but most decent coaches can scheme to take away (for studs like Bell and Brown, that's 70-90 yds) a single threat, and our O is too good to be able to let that happen.
It's hard to be able to afford everything we want, and they're doing a very good job of keeping players that fit and work, just not so much in filling in the holes. As well as our ownership and GM have been, there has been a deficiency in evaluating the middling talent that every team needs to have and stay under the cap. I really wish this team would start pawning off these late 20s to 30s picks on teams that want to jump on the last OK QB left and give us an extra shot on those "fill in" draft picks. They do well when we draft teens to early 20s though (Jones was not quite a whiff, but a foul ball maybe).
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Eh, I live right outside of Chicago, and when he left the Bears the general consensus among both the players and the coaching staff was "good effing riddance." He's not getting arrested any more, which is obviously good, but he's still a selfish doosh bag in the locker room. I know that he got into it with the coaches over trying to hold down an analyst gig (on Inside the NFL IIRC) and having to miss practice to fly out and be on set during the season, and there was other small stuff too.
I definitely agree with needing a Sanu type professional WR2 / WR3 type or two -- I just don't think that Marshall is that guy willing to be 2nd or 3rd banana in the passing game.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I definitely share the frustration at the defensive game plan. It was awful and the execution wasn't so hot either.
However you have to give the other team credit where credit is due and acknowledge the Steelers defense is a work-in-progress. No one thought the defense, especially the pass rush and secondary, were going to be the strength of this team back in September. Yet they did improve during the season and dramatically so. The coaches that were responsible for that progress were the same ones that game planned that atrocity we saw last night. They F'ed up - it happens.
Having Tom Brady pick your team apart is no fun but it certainly isn't shocking either. Add to the fact the Steelers were playing on the road on a short week and riding a 9-game winning streak it was a lot to ask to have them upset the Patriots.
Overall I thought it was a good season and I had fun watching them down the stretch. There is a lot of work to do but I think there is reason for optimism.
However you have to give the other team credit where credit is due and acknowledge the Steelers defense is a work-in-progress. No one thought the defense, especially the pass rush and secondary, were going to be the strength of this team back in September. Yet they did improve during the season and dramatically so. The coaches that were responsible for that progress were the same ones that game planned that atrocity we saw last night. They F'ed up - it happens.
Having Tom Brady pick your team apart is no fun but it certainly isn't shocking either. Add to the fact the Steelers were playing on the road on a short week and riding a 9-game winning streak it was a lot to ask to have them upset the Patriots.
Overall I thought it was a good season and I had fun watching them down the stretch. There is a lot of work to do but I think there is reason for optimism.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Remember that play where he never turned around and it was picked off? That's why. It was a perfect pass that would have hit him in stride.Copeman said:
steelers1080
Footballguy
First off, 3 defensive starters are rookies. That's incredibly rare for the Steelers due to the complexity of their defense. It was inevitable that they would make many mistakes throughout the year, but they also helped us go on a very long win streak. Sean Davis has definitely exceeded expectations and looks like he could develop into a play maker. He misses a fair amount of tackles (as does Burns) but hopefully another full off season can turn that around. Hargrave looks like he can become a great player teaming up with Heyward and Tuitt.
We shouldn't sign a FA WR unless we get rid of Bryant. He's a WR1 on most other teams and is a great red zone target. If he can just get his head on straight. I don't care what he does off the field as long as he doesn't get suspended. We should also pick up a WR in the draft or a couple UDFAs. We need a 5th WR, whether that's Ayers, Hamilton, or some new person.
We need a pass rusher and another solid DE. When Heyward went down we lost a powerful force in the middle of our line. We need more depth behind Tuitt and Heyward. We should probably double dip at OLB in the draft or get an OLB and a linebacker who can play OLB/ILB (Ryan Anderson?).
Also, it's time to start taking QBs in the later rounds to groom behind Ben every year. We took Landry, then nothing. We need to grab one every year because the odds of finding a Dak, or Garappolo, or whatever, isn't that high.
We shouldn't sign a FA WR unless we get rid of Bryant. He's a WR1 on most other teams and is a great red zone target. If he can just get his head on straight. I don't care what he does off the field as long as he doesn't get suspended. We should also pick up a WR in the draft or a couple UDFAs. We need a 5th WR, whether that's Ayers, Hamilton, or some new person.
We need a pass rusher and another solid DE. When Heyward went down we lost a powerful force in the middle of our line. We need more depth behind Tuitt and Heyward. We should probably double dip at OLB in the draft or get an OLB and a linebacker who can play OLB/ILB (Ryan Anderson?).
Also, it's time to start taking QBs in the later rounds to groom behind Ben every year. We took Landry, then nothing. We need to grab one every year because the odds of finding a Dak, or Garappolo, or whatever, isn't that high.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Can't believe that some of you guys are willing to count on Bryant given how many drug tests he's failed in his short time in the league. IIRC we're at 5 now, but this time he's learned his lesson? You guys still draft Josh Gordon and Justin Blackmon every year in FF too?
Lots of analysis all ending up at the same place: the Steelers will never again go into Foxboro and defeat a Belichick-led Pats team, Brady or no. We only make it to the Super Bowl if someone else knocks them off or if we get home field. Part of my anger today is falling for the premise that this team was different. Shame on me.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
It's a tall order. We got out-coached by the greatest coach ever, and our D got carved up by the greatest QB ever. In their house.
I absolutely agree that yesterday's defensive performance was unacceptable from the coaches on down, but 2016 was still a season that 28 other teams would take.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Haley simply forgot that it was Deangelo in there and not Bell. With Bell in there, the Steelers score a TD 98% of the time in that situation. Yes I'm pulling that number out of my ### but you get the picture. Bell isn't getting stopped there. Haley thought he could do the same with Deangelo.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
With Belichick and Brady, the Steelers will never again beat the Patriots in Foxboro or Heinz field. Without Brady (and just Belichick), the Steelers could beat the Patriots anywhere.
I know this seems like a crazy thought on the surface, but if Christian McCaffery is there for their top pick I would grab him and get their edge rusher and TE in the next rnds. He seems to have a similar style to Bell (patience-vision-explosion) with less size but more speed. The ability to move McCaffery around as a RB/WR on the field with Bell and the WRs not only gives us the immediate skill set that Haley has always craved (see Dri Archer and Chris Rainey) but he offers a pedigree that Tomlin loves and someone to back up Bell without a huge drop-off (which we obviously need). Throw in kick-returning skills and he gives the most boost for this team as best player available. Having said all of this, what scares me most is the idea of passing on him for an OLB who will be busy chasing him on the field this time next year - when he a member of the Pats.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
irish eyes
Footballguy
I can't even watch or listen to any sports talk shows, score updates or anything of the kind. What an absolute miserable way to end a season. Don't see how I would even be able to watch superbowl with 2 biggest a holes on earth involved (Brandy/belidoosh)
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Can't agree more and I'll add, a guy who rarely worked out, had concentration lapses, was not always in the right spot and just spent a year not playing football can not reasonably be expected to come back and be a force. Sure, he says he's working out and is in great shape and put on 10 lbs of muscle. I'm betting that he goes downstairs to his Bowflex for an hour, celebrates with a beer or 5 and plays a video game. The 10 (or 15-20) he's gained is not functional nor an improvement and is better measured around his waist than in an agility drill. If, and that's a big if, he comes back and plays a full season, he will likely be less than he was before and could even be just another Coates.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I'm there with you, Irish. I'm sure I'll tune in to hopefully watch the Falcons beat the Pats but other than that I'm done with football for a little while. Go PENS
steelers1080
Footballguy
I'd count Bryant as a potential asset, but also draft another WR in the first 4 rounds this year. If that player shows promise they could potentially trade Bryant next year for a very high pick (if he keeps on the same path).
Also, Bryant hasn't been arrested so he's already doing better than many of the F'ups in the league. Can he keep clean? Only time will tell. But I'll be hopeful until burned too many times. (Still holding Gordon in a Dynasty league, mostly because he has 0 trade value and I'm not going to drop him for Gavin Escobar)
Also, Bryant hasn't been arrested so he's already doing better than many of the F'ups in the league. Can he keep clean? Only time will tell. But I'll be hopeful until burned too many times. (Still holding Gordon in a Dynasty league, mostly because he has 0 trade value and I'm not going to drop him for Gavin Escobar)
