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*** Official 2017 SF 49ers thread *** see original post or latest post for link to new 2018 thread (2 Viewers)
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efactor
Footballguy
Was kind of disappointed they traded out of the 67th pick. Wanted them to grab Kamara there and then the Saints take him with the pick. Kind of sucked. No issues with them building the D but adding an offensive playmaker would have been uplifting
But long term, a good move. Don't really see the Saints doing any better than last year, so a top half 2nd rounder at the least. Add the Bears high 3rd rounder and they have some choice selections for 2018.
Don't know anything about Bethard and was surprised they moved up for him, but pick 219 is hardly a global killer if Shanahan sees something he likes in the guy.
But long term, a good move. Don't really see the Saints doing any better than last year, so a top half 2nd rounder at the least. Add the Bears high 3rd rounder and they have some choice selections for 2018.
Don't know anything about Bethard and was surprised they moved up for him, but pick 219 is hardly a global killer if Shanahan sees something he likes in the guy.
efactor
Footballguy
Someone's feeling a little grumpy about the new 49er regime pulling a hustle on his Bears yesterday. Taken to the cleaners by the new kid. That must hurt. Bidding against themselves.
chinawildman
Footballguy
I could just be a bit buzzed but this Beathard kid looks kinda good...
Probably would have gone much higher if he had come out last year, injuries to himself and his receivers hurt the passing game this year. Started for 2.5 years in a pro style offense, which is a plus. Good arm, decent athlete, grandson of Bobby Beathard. Let's see what Shannahan can do with him.
efactor
Footballguy
I was kind of hoping they grabbed him until I heard him compared to JJ Stokes by one scout. Good college receiver who can't separate in the pros.
He may end up being good but that comparison turned me off.
efactor
Footballguy
Trade up for RB Joe Williams from Utah. CBS gave it an F grade which makes me immediately love the pick.
Looks like a talented guy with a few "issues" in his past. Credit card theft and left the team for a while due to some family issues. Fast, athletic guy at 210 pounds. One comparison was to Devonta Freeman, which would explain his appeal.
Kind of surprising after the Bibbs trade. Figured there weren't any RBs left they liked. Draft has been interesting anyway.
Looks like a talented guy with a few "issues" in his past. Credit card theft and left the team for a while due to some family issues. Fast, athletic guy at 210 pounds. One comparison was to Devonta Freeman, which would explain his appeal.
Kind of surprising after the Bibbs trade. Figured there weren't any RBs left they liked. Draft has been interesting anyway.
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chinawildman
Footballguy
With the Williams pick, Cannon and Goodwin signing it's good to see the front office finally make an actual effort to pick up some potentially explosive playmakers... felt like in prior offseasons we'd get MAYBE one guy like that a year.
Anyone have any knowledge on our 3rd round CB Witherspoon? The write ups make him sound great but when the pick was made the talking heads were really dogging him about not liking to tackle. Specifically mentioning that he was running away from ball carriers to the point that the other team started pointing out where he was lining up and directing plays at him.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Thoughts on Cannon getting an opportunity given the current WR depth chart?
facook
Footballguy
I'm afraid he has only one skill...straight line speed. I could be wrong, but watching Baylor last year I felt like he ran the 9 exclusively.
mikel2014
Footballguy
Any homers have insight on the WR depth chart? There are a whole lot of bodies there now that seem pretty muddled together.
Pierre Garcon (FA - $$$)
Jeremy Kerley (most successful receiver from last year, re-signed)
Bruce Ellington (returning from injury)
Marquise Goodwin (FA)
Aldrick Robinson (FA)
Trent Taylor (5th rounder)
KD Cannon (UDFA)
DeAndre Smelter (previous regime pick)
Aaron Burbridge (previous regime pick)
From the outside it seems like Garcon is locked in at #1, with Kerley likely at #2. Ellington/Goodwin/Robinson would be fighting for #3. That would put Taylor/Cannon/Smelter/Brurbridge fighting for roster spots. Does that sound about right?
Pierre Garcon (FA - $$$)
Jeremy Kerley (most successful receiver from last year, re-signed)
Bruce Ellington (returning from injury)
Marquise Goodwin (FA)
Aldrick Robinson (FA)
Trent Taylor (5th rounder)
KD Cannon (UDFA)
DeAndre Smelter (previous regime pick)
Aaron Burbridge (previous regime pick)
From the outside it seems like Garcon is locked in at #1, with Kerley likely at #2. Ellington/Goodwin/Robinson would be fighting for #3. That would put Taylor/Cannon/Smelter/Brurbridge fighting for roster spots. Does that sound about right?
Eric Rogers coming back too. No way anyone will be able to intelligently answer this question yet. New coach and GM haven't seen these guys in person out on the field yet.
https://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/01/san-francisco-49ers-nfl-draft-room-bears-trade-reuben-foster-peter-king interesting read from Peter King who was in the draft room. A few highlights:
foster was indeed #3 on the draft board.
Jed York has a son named Jaxon because of course he does.
Paraag has found a way back in the inner circle.
foster was indeed #3 on the draft board.
Jed York has a son named Jaxon because of course he does.
Paraag has found a way back in the inner circle.
efactor
Footballguy
Read the article this morning. Liked the Lynch hire when it happened but really liking it now. Has everyone on the same page. Listens to opinions of others (like Shanny wanting Williams). Leader who surrounds himself with good people.
Like the fact that they went and got players they absolutely wanted by moving up. Easy to say those players would have still been there without the trade up but why chance it if the price is reasonable.
Also like that Lynch didn't indiscrimitely clean house. Guy like Paragg can be useful in a limited role apparently. Would have been easy to cast him aside instead of putting him to his best use.
Impressive start anyway.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Should Marathe get GM consideration?
http://www.knbr.com/2017/05/01/49ers-draft-observations-paraag-marathe-is-a-gm-candidate/
John Lynch is getting rave reviews for his first-ever NFL Draft — and he should be. His approach has been well calculated and inclusive to begin his tenure. But those clever trades? All the fleecing that went on? That was Paraag Marathe. It’s why the 49ers’ chief strategy officer is now on the radar to run another front office around the NFL, possibly as soon as 2018. Lynch has said all along he’s building a team of bright minds and one of those minds is Marathe. San Francisco’s $72.5 million salary cap surplus? That’s Paraag’s doing. If both Solomon Thomas and Reuben Foster become integral parts of this 49ers rebuild, his negotiations will directly contribute to wins. At some point, an NFL owner is going to take a chance on Marathe. Front offices are becoming more collaborative think-tanks than a systematic hierarchy. Sashi Brown in Cleveland was once the team’s lawyer. Lynch was a former player and broadcaster. No matter what’s been said about him the past, Marathe was a rock star during the 2017 NFL Draft, and with the right football person next to him, I’d expect him on a shortlist of football decision-maker candidates in the near future.
Maratheball could be on the move soon...
http://www.knbr.com/2017/05/01/49ers-draft-observations-paraag-marathe-is-a-gm-candidate/
John Lynch is getting rave reviews for his first-ever NFL Draft — and he should be. His approach has been well calculated and inclusive to begin his tenure. But those clever trades? All the fleecing that went on? That was Paraag Marathe. It’s why the 49ers’ chief strategy officer is now on the radar to run another front office around the NFL, possibly as soon as 2018. Lynch has said all along he’s building a team of bright minds and one of those minds is Marathe. San Francisco’s $72.5 million salary cap surplus? That’s Paraag’s doing. If both Solomon Thomas and Reuben Foster become integral parts of this 49ers rebuild, his negotiations will directly contribute to wins. At some point, an NFL owner is going to take a chance on Marathe. Front offices are becoming more collaborative think-tanks than a systematic hierarchy. Sashi Brown in Cleveland was once the team’s lawyer. Lynch was a former player and broadcaster. No matter what’s been said about him the past, Marathe was a rock star during the 2017 NFL Draft, and with the right football person next to him, I’d expect him on a shortlist of football decision-maker candidates in the near future.
Maratheball could be on the move soon...
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I thought you guys hated Marathe and considered him part of the problem, along with Baalke (and obviously the Yorks)? Is the narrative flipping on that?
efactor
Footballguy
LOL. I greatly anticipate the response from Drummer................
I never paid much attention to him other than his friendship with Jed York which put him in a negative light, so don't have an opinion prior to the new regime coming in. He is obviously a smart guy and does well negotiating contracts. I assumed he would not be part of the inner circle but seems Lynch has found a niche for him. Marathe seems ecstatic at being part of a team. Team wasn't really part of the vocabulary when Balkke was running the show.
When Lynch was hired, there was a lot of criticism, mainly his inexperience. However, guys like Elway praised his leadership. Part of that obviously is surrounding himself with good (smart) people. Lynch sees value in what Marathe brings to the table and is utilizing that.
Not a Jed York fan either, but if he can stay out of football decisions and use his resources to support his new team, then that's about all you can expect from an owner. Mistakes have been made, but ownership isn't changing, so you hope they learn from their mistakes and don't repeat them.
Looking good so far
drummer
Footballguy
He is responsible for running Harbaugh out of town for Jim Tomsula. He is well known as The Rat - the one Mike Singletary alluded too during his stead as HC. He leaks more than Trump's White House. Think of a worse Vinnie Cerratto, with a poor franchise record as a FO guy outside of the time Harbaugh took over, who again he ran out of town, along with almost every HC since he had been there.
Harbaugh kicked him out of his office because he tried to meddle his roster. He is the reason why so many had turned down HC and GM jobs in Santa Clara. He is Jed's Hatchet Man, who has a horrid reputation in the NFL.
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drummer
Footballguy
The article feels like a leak from the FO and already undermining Lynch because - well the whole "who get's the credit for the good press" thing that happens there.
One draft and it's already shenanigans as usual in SC
ETA: I am gonna take credit for coining "Maratheball" since I was the only guy in the Bay Area to ever use that term, and I used it asking Billy Beane if it could work in the NFL while calling in when he was co hosting with Barbieri on KNBR ages ago (Barbieri liked that term too)
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drummer
Footballguy
I already posted how Marathe was gonna be in play over Lynch because he has his "analytics guy" there. Lynch IMO is more window dressing to which even Lynch had to answer "the Marathe Question" in his presser when hired.
I can't really blame Baalke anymore for all those picks with torn ACL's. I bet Marathe was behind it since like - Frank Gore and McBoozin' - because why all those picks with torn ACL's?
Because of the whole "analytics and value" of Maratheball.
I can't really blame Baalke anymore for all those picks with torn ACL's. I bet Marathe was behind it since like - Frank Gore and McBoozin' - because why all those picks with torn ACL's?
Because of the whole "analytics and value" of Maratheball.
drummer
Footballguy
What is the skinny on him? I don't follow players or the roster moves like I used to lol
chinawildman
Footballguy
Projected 6th - undrafted QB. King reports that he was the ONLY QB Shanny liked in this draft. Had a good 2015 w/ a mediocre 2016 in Iowa's pro-style system so no impressive #s to speak of.
My personal take is that he seems to have the physical skills. What stood out to me was that he "moves" like an NFL QB... There appears to be an urgency and quickness to how he processes the game and executes... if anything it's a relief from Kaepernick's dreadfully slow presnap antics. More mobile and atheletic than he looks, hangs tough in the pocket, good footwork.
drummer
Footballguy
Despite my well known defense of Kaep, if you recall any of my posts about him before he was drafted and then as a backup QB, I wasn't sold on him much at all, because what little I saw of Kaep college highlight clips, he just looked too stiff in the footwork not as a runner, but just feet in the pocket. I projected a looong shot at he being a true starter until his 5th year - a huge project QB but super athletic. The 49ers have had zero passing game for like ever, and that athleticism almost Super payed off big time. Still don't mean his is not a project QB, although it's clear the Kaep project is over lol.
efactor
Footballguy
Yep all the way around.
It's been soooooo long since the 49ers passing game has been fun to watch. Have to go back to Garcia and Owens. That's a long drought.
Biggest reason from a fan standpoint that I am excited about Shanahan. Figure it won't be long until he has his guy behind center.
Wingnut
Footballguy
drummer
Footballguy
They didn't have a short passing game with Harbaugh with Alex Smith - with the exception of the usual Alex Smith dumpoff's that he is soooo effective to which I will give an offense that makes a dump off successful - and/or a well timed route to Vernon Davis. Really, as long as Alex Smith was behind center in SF and even in KC, you're just NOT going to have much of passing game, and that's just they way it is with Alex Smith, for you Smith fans who think I hate him, I just look at the numbers and offense, and tape don't lie unless you make tape lie or just lie about what you saw on tape that shows a 49er passing game after Jeff Garcia.efactor said:
At least when they started Kaep, and old Anquan Boldin still got his 1000 yard season with him, and he did that twice in consecutive seasons. Kaep is a very limited passer but at least he took big shots down the field. It not like Garcia has a huge arm either lol. But a slant to Jerry Rice or Terrell Owens or a short pass out of the backfield to say Garrison Hearst is effective big time, and Kaep leaving the pocket to pWn! the hated Green Bay Packers several times in a big time playoff game for TDs is just like a short pass Montana to Roger Craig, if it produces TDs as well as those aforementioned slants and hitting the RB out of the backfield which you never see anymore in a 49er offense, which is sacrilege. To not hit a RB or FB in a 49er passing offense means they are not running a 49er offense, period. At least in IMHO.
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drummer
Footballguy
Gonna watch this a few times as well as other vids of Bethard. Watch this one and tell me what you think. I am bored and ate a loaded brownie because I my leg has recently had surgery so I have a buzz and feel like watching tape lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOdP1Nwigvs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOdP1Nwigvs
Wingnut
Footballguy
Beathard is definitely a project and needs to develop. Hear Lynch tell Rich Eisen why they traded up to take him in the 3rd when they had him graded as a 4th round pick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYUCvDIyzkI
And Lynch and Shanny discuss Beathard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTOD7wJJ5vY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYUCvDIyzkI
And Lynch and Shanny discuss Beathard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTOD7wJJ5vY
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efactor
Footballguy
I'll take a look when I can focus later on.
Enjoy the brownie moment....................
drummer
Footballguy
One of the many reasons why I hate fan oriented blogs is that you will find articles (which I won't bother to link) how Shanahan could be a genius because of a QB out of Iowa in the 4th round lol. I found a few of those doing some quick Googling on him. But that is why I don't and have hardly gotten excited on draft day and find it a big hype show now. Eventually when everyone sobers up after "DRAFT DAY WEEKEND!" you'll find way too much analysis because they have to capitalize on the weekend residue the following week to get the page clicks. Been there and done that writing for a fan blog. There were times they asked to me to write anything for the 3pm scheduled click bait. You will find more overthink on a 7th round scrub who is not gonna make the team than the brain should really waste time on reading all that, including local press. Because the local press has to compete with the Webzone and Niners Nation.
ETA: perfect example of what I am talking about:
http://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2017/04/29/instant-analysis-qb-c-j-beathard-an-example-of-genius-crazy-kyle-shanahan/
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drummer
Footballguy
Another clip to watch, take it for what it's worth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXZuu8ZJd3g
Lol, spending the day checking out a 4th round pick who this guy scouting on this vid just mentioned Drew Brees and this guy for comparison. Little too early for hyperbole Mr. Scout. He was drafted to a team that sees a passing game as a riddle wrapped in an enigma but is dressed with the perfect cucumber sauce to make the 4th round pick viable since they have like no quarterbacks and a passing game. Yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXZuu8ZJd3g
Lol, spending the day checking out a 4th round pick who this guy scouting on this vid just mentioned Drew Brees and this guy for comparison. Little too early for hyperbole Mr. Scout. He was drafted to a team that sees a passing game as a riddle wrapped in an enigma but is dressed with the perfect cucumber sauce to make the 4th round pick viable since they have like no quarterbacks and a passing game. Yet.
drummer
Footballguy
efactor
Footballguy
Not claiming any ability to break down tape, but from what I saw, here is what I liked
-His ball has "zip" and is very "catchable". That is how I always thought of Montana's passes
-At about the 9:10 point, his protection breaks down and he rolls right and hits his receiver in stride about 30-35 yards downfield. Quite impressive
-Hits the receivers in stride. Obviously a plus for RAC yardage, and not easy to do, even on short passes. It took Young a while to get great at that when he took over. RBs waiting for the ball or catching it out of stride was common. Of course, after 10 years of Montana, 49ers fans were a bit spoiled.
-Good mobility. As the guy pointed out though, he better learn to slide in the NFL. Put on some Russell Wilson tape and learn from the master
-Hangs in the pocket. Doesn't turn his head as he delivers the ball under pressure.
Who knows what he will become, but I definitely see traits that would make Shanahan want to grab him. Been around football all his life and have read he is obsessed completely.
efactor
Footballguy
I saw that a few days back. Just an idiot trying to get some clicks on a Trump campaign comment...................
Wingnut
Footballguy
What I'm liking about this offseason the most is that it seems Jed has actually given the keys to the coach and GM (with Marathe riding shotgun of course), and he seems to be letting them do the footbally stuff. Whether or not that lasts remains to be seen, but maybe...just maybe he has finally learned not to meddle in things he has no clue about.
efactor
Footballguy
I had to laugh when people were #####ing that they "traded up" to grab him. If they were going to take him at 4.2 anyway, then trading pick 211 to make sure you got him was not exactly a franchise killer. They way the draft is broken up now, the overnight breaks make waiting a little more precarious. If someone else (Redskins maybe) also liked Bethard, they make an inexpensive move to jump to 4.1 and grab him. Probably not, but worth a late pick to protect against it if you really wanted the guy.
Same thing with Williams. CBS gave the pick an F. What the F do they know? I love the draft, but some of the analysis is just friggin foolish.
efactor
Footballguy
Yeah, seems that way.
I hope so anyway. Every time I see his face, I cringe. The guy just puts off such a negative persona. Lynch is the exact opposite. Shanahan is kind of a "cool" Chip Kelly in his demeanor. Enjoy watching Lynch and Shanahan when they are together in pressers. Looking forward to them getting the team back on track and fun to watch at the same time. I am not ashamed to admit that I want to be entertained when I watch. You know, like the 80s and 90s. Win and fun to watch...................
drummer
Footballguy
Well I dunno. Put him behind last seasons Oline that on paper should had been improved but turned out to be a bunch of matador's later in the season, and all his attributes facing like say Purdue might not translate well when facing the Seahawks.
Not putting much eggs into his basket but that's why you draft guys like that in the lower rounds to see if he can be something without a ton of investment to get to be serviceable at worst to maybe being able to win more than three games out of five in s stretch which ain't bad really
drummer
Footballguy
Not buying any of it. No way this franchise relives any dynasty. Last time they flew close to that sun, they fell back down to Earth hard and gave you Jim "Hedgehog" Tomsula
chinawildman
Footballguy
Lots of reports coming in about Foster's shoulder surgery not "taking" and that his rookie season may be jeopardized... Feel like the kid should just go ses Dr. Andrews and get it fixed up right, it's not like we need him badly for our 2017 playoff run... This roster that shanahan inherited is nowhere close in talent level to the one Harbaugh started with.
chinawildman
Footballguy
Of all the CJ Beathard videos I think this one stands out to me: http://www.tennessean.com/videos/sports/college/2017/03/03/c.j.-beathard-'i'm-best-qb-draft'/98713996/
I know it's somewhat cliche, but I recall in an interview with Brady that he always thought throughout his career that he was the best QB regardless or whether he was a starter or where he was drafted. I think mental toughness is a vastly underrated characteristic and a prerequisite for any franchise QB. Not that I'm saying the Beathard era is upon us... but it's nice to see the kid not lacking for confidence.
I know it's somewhat cliche, but I recall in an interview with Brady that he always thought throughout his career that he was the best QB regardless or whether he was a starter or where he was drafted. I think mental toughness is a vastly underrated characteristic and a prerequisite for any franchise QB. Not that I'm saying the Beathard era is upon us... but it's nice to see the kid not lacking for confidence.
efactor
Footballguy
If he isn't medically cleared, their medical staff has some explaining to do. They were pretty sure of themselves when talking about his shoulder, going as far as to say "what shoulder"?
Wouldn't be the end of the world for him to miss a year, but not optimal obviously. But if they were seriously considering him at #3 overall (which I don't buy), then there is a major disconnect. That would have been a disaster all the way around.
Wingnut
Footballguy
I think it was Foster himself who made the "What shoulder" quote...but still. I agree with CWM, get him fixed up now, theyre not gonna be competing for the division or a playoff spot this season, so get him healthy and turn him loose when hes 100%.
efactor
Footballguy
Well, wanting the team to get 'back on track and fun to watch" hardly equates to reviving a "dynasty". I am quite aware that a 20 year run of success is a rare thing.
That said, past doesn't dictate future. Harbaugh situation has nothing to do with new regime. I know the Harbaugh is god crowd refuses to believe that anybody could ever replace their messiah, but let's give it 2-3 years for the new regime before we proclaim that fact.
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efactor
Footballguy
I saw a blurb and thought it was one of their staff. They were off camera, so not sure who it was.
I agree that if there is an issue, they need to fix it now. Still disappointing if he does need additional surgery and a disaster if it had been at 3 instead of 31.
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5Rings
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Agreed, next season doesn't matter anyway. I'd love to see us be more competitive but I'd sure like to see us with the top five pick again to hopefully shore up the offense of side of the ball. On paper, the D has talent, but the O is sorely lacking in skilled players .
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