Godsbrother
Footballguy
yep. stick a fork in them, they're done. They should be sellers but they probably won't be.
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***Official 2019 Pittsburgh Pirates Thread*** Hope Springs Eternal? (1 Viewer)
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Pirates managed to drop 5 games back in the standings over a 9 game stretch. That is pretty impressive!
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
In all honesty this is probably a good thing for the team long term. They never had the talent to seriously contend this year. They need to be sellers. Here’s hoping they lose every game for the next week!
Godsbrother
Footballguy
While I agree there is no point in being buyers this season there is little reason for optimism for next year or anytime. They may catch lightning in a bottle: a year where just everything breaks good for them, but as long a Nutting owns this team they are doomed for mediocrity or worse. Aside for a couple of seasons the last 25 years has been the same story for this team.
They are ranked 27th out of 30 in spending and a quarter of that is taken by 4 players that aren't even playing. You just can't compete like that and if MLB doesn't care enough to do anything about it (salary cap, floor, etc,) they should contract the league to the teams that are willing to spend money to be competitive. Allowing teams to spend 5x the amount of others is just stupid.
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
If they can pull off some of the prospects rumored from the Dodgers they'd be nuts not to take it. 2 or 3 of Lux, May, Ruiz and Smith would be a hell of a haul.
Of course it could just be sports writer nonsense too
Of course it could just be sports writer nonsense too
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Who do the Dodgers want that badly lol?KiddLattimer said:
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
Would help if I included the player name huh?
Supposedly that's the rumor for Vazquez. Value spiked because he's so underpaid for 4y
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
If that’s on the table for Vazquez, I would be ecstatic. Lux has been tearing the cover off the ball but not sure where he fits with the Dodgers. It’s great to see the Pirates in a free fall. They’re certain to be sellers nowKiddLattimer said:Would help if I included the player name huh?
Supposedly that's the rumor for Vazquez. Value spiked because he's so underpaid for 4y
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I only care about what their management thinks and in the past they’ve refused to admit when they’re not serious contenders.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Close to "worst team in baseball" territory here. I hope they sell anything and everything at the deadline. Just hit the restart button.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Not sure what the Brewers see in the guy but I fully expect him to turn into Cy Young when playing the Pirates...
Godsbrother
Footballguy
One nice thing about the Bucs is that it doesn't take long to watch a game. Bucs up 1-0 in the first and before the 2nd inning is over they're losing 10-1.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
They need to get a haul similar to what they gave up for Archer ....
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Nobody is dumb enough to pay that type of haul...................except for the Pirates.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
I still cannot believe they made that trade. They give up Cutch and Cole and THEN decide this is the year to make an all-in move at the deadline?!? Not the years they were actually competitive, but the year they go on a fluky win streak amid fan protests.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Reds just traded for Bauer. Now there is a small market team that actually has a clue.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Losing streak over! CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!
Pretty entertaining fight last night. I'm not sure why the umpires allowed the teams to remain on the field so long after the initial melee. If I'm the umpires I tell each team they have 30 seconds to return to their dugouts and any player/coach still on the field is ejected.
Pretty entertaining fight last night. I'm not sure why the umpires allowed the teams to remain on the field so long after the initial melee. If I'm the umpires I tell each team they have 30 seconds to return to their dugouts and any player/coach still on the field is ejected.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Dickerson traded to Phillies
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Annndddd the Pirates 1 game winning streak comes to an end 
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
So Bucs had all of these vet expiring pieces to trade and one big chip and all they do is get international money and a player to be named later for Dickerson??
Like does NH think this team can compete next season? Not like they will add any meaningful pieces. They are in a rebuild mode and ####ed it up last year with the archer trade. Now there is no direction or identity. I wonder what the offers were that he turned down. This is the worst ownership/front office combo in sports, save MAYBE the redskins, but at least they try.
Like does NH think this team can compete next season? Not like they will add any meaningful pieces. They are in a rebuild mode and ####ed it up last year with the archer trade. Now there is no direction or identity. I wonder what the offers were that he turned down. This is the worst ownership/front office combo in sports, save MAYBE the redskins, but at least they try.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
My bet is they are blaming their pathetic showing this season on injuries. Yes they were hit hard but the team still sucks badly. The supposed strength was the pitching and it just isn't very good. The odds of this team being any good in the next couple of seasons is close to zero.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
It’s possible in the next 20 years they have a playoff team. Anything is possible. I was almost struck by lightning once.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Pirates have lost 8 consecutive series now and are 4-21 since the all-star break. Projected over an entire year that would equate to a 26-136 season record which would be the second worst in MLB history after the Cleveland Spiders went 20-134 in 1899.
It does not appear that Clint Hurdle, Ray Searage, Neal Huntington or Frank Coonelly are on the hot seat. Keep up the good work fellas!!!
It does not appear that Clint Hurdle, Ray Searage, Neal Huntington or Frank Coonelly are on the hot seat. Keep up the good work fellas!!!
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
The news just keeps getting worse for this team.McBokonon said:
Does anyone think that a starting rotation of Musgrove, Williams, Archer, Agrazal/Brault and Keller in 2020 is a recipe for success?
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Sadly whether they had Taillon or not, they would need to add a lot of pitching. Does anyone here actually believe that’s going to happen?
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
They all need to go. Everyone down to the scouts travel agent.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
So in yesterday's debacle Trevor Williams, arguably the "ace" of this staff, gives up 8 runs, all earned, on 6 hits (3 HRs), 3 BBs in 2 innings. His ERA is now 5.65
Over the weekend Huntington was trying to say the Pirates starting pitching can compete next season, IF
they can fix Musgrove, Williams, AND Archer
Brault pitches likes he did for a 4 or 5 game stretch this year over the course of an entire season
Keller can pitch to the potential he showed in the minors
PLUS they have Kuhl coming back from Tommy John surgery (with his impressive 4.37 lifetime ERA)
they might be able to pick up an aging veteran pitcher or two and turn him around like they did with JA Happ
THIS is his plan for 2020... Ay Caramba
.
Over the weekend Huntington was trying to say the Pirates starting pitching can compete next season, IF
they can fix Musgrove, Williams, AND Archer
Brault pitches likes he did for a 4 or 5 game stretch this year over the course of an entire season
Keller can pitch to the potential he showed in the minors
PLUS they have Kuhl coming back from Tommy John surgery (with his impressive 4.37 lifetime ERA)
they might be able to pick up an aging veteran pitcher or two and turn him around like they did with JA Happ
THIS is his plan for 2020... Ay Caramba
.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
We once dreamed of a staff of Cole, Glasnow and Taillon. How far things have fallen.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Pirates organization has proven time and again that they are unable to develop young pitching talent. Everyone involved in that aspect of the organization needs to go, starting with Ray Searage. He had a few old veterans that he turned around a few years ago but he has been a disaster since.fred_1_15301 said:
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Agreed. Searage has no clue how to adapt. He can do wonders for pitchers who fit into his program. However, he has no clue how to adapt when a pitcher may not fit. Didn't he try to turn Cole into a pitch-to-contact pitcher.
What an idiot. The whole organization from top to bottom is completely incompetent. Look at these other small market teams that remain competitive every year.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Should have traded him while they could:
The good news is that contract will likely be invalidated and Nutting can put all of that money he is saving for bringing in new talent.
The good news is that contract will likely be invalidated and Nutting can put all of that money he is saving for bringing in new talent.
apalmer
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
The nightmare never ends with this team
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Fire. Every. One.
irish eyes
Footballguy
Who would ever want to play for this sorry franchise. It's criminal what Nutting has done and there is no end in sight as long as he is around. Bravo MLB, the worst professional sports league on earth. Does anyone really watch baseball anymore? How do these teams make money.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Cole is an absolute stud. Nice return there.
Maybe if they kept the team together last year and made a move or two, they could have contended.
Instead they are sellers pre-season and then trade their best prospects for a pitcher on the downswing. Brilliant.
Meadows at .290 with 32 hr and 88rbi.
Glasnow 6-1 in 10 starts with 65 strikeouts and a 2.03 era.
Baz 3-2 in 17 starts with a 2.99 era and 87 strikeouts at A level
WHAT A JOKE
Maybe if they kept the team together last year and made a move or two, they could have contended.
Instead they are sellers pre-season and then trade their best prospects for a pitcher on the downswing. Brilliant.
Meadows at .290 with 32 hr and 88rbi.
Glasnow 6-1 in 10 starts with 65 strikeouts and a 2.03 era.
Baz 3-2 in 17 starts with a 2.99 era and 87 strikeouts at A level
WHAT A JOKE
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
You would think all these moves would be grounds to fire the GM. But nobody really cares.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The fans care (yes there are a still a few of us left) but Nutting doesn’t give a crap about winning.
i used to go to 15 games a year and even more when I was younger but I haven’t bought a ticket in three years. I’ve given up hope
i used to go to 15 games a year and even more when I was younger but I haven’t bought a ticket in three years. I’ve given up hope
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
When I said “nobody really cares”, I wasn’t talking about the fans. I was talking about the people who could/should hold NH accountable.Godsbrother said:
Cole is an ace (best pitcher in baseball actually). Glasnow was an ace before his injury and will be an ace next year. Meadows is one of the best young hitters in the game. And then they gave up a legit prospect on top of that. All for a guy who has been pretty bad for several years now. Honestly I can’t think of a worse trade. He should be gone at the end of the season but the people making that decision don’t give a lick about winning.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Glasnow pitched 3 innings, 0 ERs with 7 Ks today. This is his 2nd start coming off a serious injury. This is against the Boston Red Sox. That's who we gave up in a package including Meadows and our top pitching prospect for Chris ####### Archer.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
It was said on the Cubs broadcast that Hurdle says he will return in 2020.
So there's that.
So there's that.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yep. Nutting not about to pay Hurdle money for sitting at home AND pay for a new manager.
Hey the Bucs eliminated the Cubs from the post-season last night so we have that going for us which is nice.
Hey the Bucs eliminated the Cubs from the post-season last night so we have that going for us which is nice.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
I gave up on baseball weeks ago (after I got my 3rd place prize in fantasy). I had no idea about last night. That's actually an excellent consolation prize.
