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***Official 2020 Michigan Football*** (2 Viewers)

102nd rushing offense was offensive, no excuse for that @ a program like Michigan. I would be very surprised if the Alabama guy can't improve on that by more than a little.

 
Another round of offers going out the last few days:

2016 RB Kareem Walker

2015 DE Jaen Dalton

2015 QB Kyle Kearns (Think he already had an offer, but loved the fact that Michigan got Nussmeir)

Jeff Jones RB (committed to Minny) is visiting Michigan end of the month.

 
Nice of the school to let the rapist play all four years before kicking him out. Classy.

Michigan expels Brendan GibbonsANN ARBOR, Mich. -- A published report says the University of Michigan has expelled ex-Wolverines kicker Brendan Gibbons for violating the school's sexual misconduct policies.

A story in The Michigan Daily says the student newspaper reviewed documents that showed the Ann Arbor school "permanently separated" Gibbons from the university effective Dec. 20, 2013.

The 22-year-old was Michigan's starting kicker for the past three seasons. His eligibility to play ran out at season's end.

The newspaper says Gibbons was a graduate social work student.

It says the university's Office of Student Conflict Resolutions acted on the basis of a Nov. 22, 2009, incident.

The newspaper says university officials declined comment on the case. The Associated Press left a phone message Tuesday night for Gibbons at a listed phone number in Wellington, Fla.
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I was trying to get all the info I could before I posted anything about this. I'm so glad RR is gone. mgoblog.com has a pretty good write up of the things that are known and I agree with everything they say there.

 
The Commish said:
I was trying to get all the info I could before I posted anything about this. I'm so glad RR is gone. mgoblog.com has a pretty good write up of the things that are known and I agree with everything they say there.
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Don't just blame this on RichRod and say everything is cool now. He's been gone for four years. What the hell took so long to expel this kid? What were they doing in the meantime? And why did Hoke lie about it at the end of the season?

There are a lot of questions that need to be answered and RichRod is just a small part of it. The Administration needs to explain what the hell is going on in that athletic department.

 
whoknew said:
The Commish said:
I was trying to get all the info I could before I posted anything about this. I'm so glad RR is gone. mgoblog.com has a pretty good write up of the things that are known and I agree with everything they say there.
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Don't just blame this on RichRod and say everything is cool now. He's been gone for four years. What the hell took so long to expel this kid? What were they doing in the meantime? And why did Hoke lie about it at the end of the season?

There are a lot of questions that need to be answered and RichRod is just a small part of it. The Administration needs to explain what the hell is going on in that athletic department.
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You should go read the mgoblog post that I agree with 100%. That comment was because it actually happened on his watch and action wasn't taken immediately. All the things you bring up in the rest of your post, I agree with as well.

 
The Commish said:
whoknew said:
The Commish said:
I was trying to get all the info I could before I posted anything about this. I'm so glad RR is gone. mgoblog.com has a pretty good write up of the things that are known and I agree with everything they say there.
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Don't just blame this on RichRod and say everything is cool now. He's been gone for four years. What the hell took so long to expel this kid? What were they doing in the meantime? And why did Hoke lie about it at the end of the season?

There are a lot of questions that need to be answered and RichRod is just a small part of it. The Administration needs to explain what the hell is going on in that athletic department.
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You should go read the mgoblog post that I agree with 100%. That comment was because it actually happened on his watch and action wasn't taken immediately. All the things you bring up in the rest of your post, I agree with as well.
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I did read it. And while I agree with him about Hoke lying - that is inexcusable - I didn't agree that he basically gave the football program a pass between when Hoke was hired and now. Maybe they deserve that, but there are A LOT of questions that need to be answered before we know that's true. We need answers from the athletic department and the University as a whole. I don't understand why there is so much silence.

 
whoknew said:
The Commish said:
whoknew said:
The Commish said:
I was trying to get all the info I could before I posted anything about this. I'm so glad RR is gone. mgoblog.com has a pretty good write up of the things that are known and I agree with everything they say there.
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Don't just blame this on RichRod and say everything is cool now. He's been gone for four years. What the hell took so long to expel this kid? What were they doing in the meantime? And why did Hoke lie about it at the end of the season?

There are a lot of questions that need to be answered and RichRod is just a small part of it. The Administration needs to explain what the hell is going on in that athletic department.
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You should go read the mgoblog post that I agree with 100%. That comment was because it actually happened on his watch and action wasn't taken immediately. All the things you bring up in the rest of your post, I agree with as well.
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I did read it. And while I agree with him about Hoke lying - that is inexcusable - I didn't agree that he basically gave the football program a pass between when Hoke was hired and now. Maybe they deserve that, but there are A LOT of questions that need to be answered before we know that's true. We need answers from the athletic department and the University as a whole. I don't understand why there is so much silence.
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Do you believe that they were told it wasn't an issue and resolved? I don't know one way or the other, but it seems reasonable that if they were told one thing and they acted on what they were told, it's tough to think they were part of the cover up.

 
The Commish said:
whoknew said:
The Commish said:
whoknew said:
The Commish said:
I was trying to get all the info I could before I posted anything about this. I'm so glad RR is gone. mgoblog.com has a pretty good write up of the things that are known and I agree with everything they say there.
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Don't just blame this on RichRod and say everything is cool now. He's been gone for four years. What the hell took so long to expel this kid? What were they doing in the meantime? And why did Hoke lie about it at the end of the season?

There are a lot of questions that need to be answered and RichRod is just a small part of it. The Administration needs to explain what the hell is going on in that athletic department.
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You should go read the mgoblog post that I agree with 100%. That comment was because it actually happened on his watch and action wasn't taken immediately. All the things you bring up in the rest of your post, I agree with as well.
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I did read it. And while I agree with him about Hoke lying - that is inexcusable - I didn't agree that he basically gave the football program a pass between when Hoke was hired and now. Maybe they deserve that, but there are A LOT of questions that need to be answered before we know that's true. We need answers from the athletic department and the University as a whole. I don't understand why there is so much silence.
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Do you believe that they were told it wasn't an issue and resolved? I don't know one way or the other, but it seems reasonable that if they were told one thing and they acted on what they were told, it's tough to think they were part of the cover up.
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I don't know. Because they haven't said #### about it. And I'm not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt right now because when they had a chance to say something about this - Hoke lied.

They are all making the University - my University - look like #### right now. And I don't like it. And I want some damn answers.

 
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Class complete by 11am. Small group of quality kids. Time to coach 'em up

Also something to note....it appears redshirt freshman Ross Douglas is switching to RB position.

 
Seems like a great place to pose this question. I may be moving to Ohio in a years time (sucks to be me, i know). Are all OSU fans miserable pieces of ####?

 
FDAS said:
Seems like a great place to pose this question. I may be moving to Ohio in a years time (sucks to be me, i know). Are all OSU fans miserable pieces of ####?
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No. I know a lot of civil, pleasant OSU fans. There is a subset of OSU fans that are every bit as bad as the worst subset of UM fans... I think you could say that about any school. Oh, and while you're there, please kill Urban Meyer.

 
FDAS said:
Well you two are really ruining my expectations
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Don't get me wrong...you'll have your fair share. Lots of hatred to go around. Between the three in the region (MSU, UM, and OSU) the ones filled with the most "hatred" are the OSU fans. MSU fans have a identity complex and UM fans are generally stuck up pretending the others are beneath them. Those are the "fringe" of each fan base, however I tend to believe the OSU fringe is a bit "thicker" than the rest ;)

 
The Commish said:
FDAS said:
Well you two are really ruining my expectations
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Don't get me wrong...you'll have your fair share. Lots of hatred to go around. Between the three in the region (MSU, UM, and OSU) the ones filled with the most "hatred" are the OSU fans. MSU fans have a identity complex and UM fans are generally stuck up pretending the others are beneath them. Those are the "fringe" of each fan base, however I tend to believe the OSU fringe is a bit "thicker" than the rest ;)
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Shocker.

ETA: ;) . Don't want to give the wrong impression.

 
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Ty Issac will be interesting. I doubt he will get the hardship case and I am not sure Michigan wants him to. The O/U is 7.5 this season, sad. If it is the under I wonder if Brandon will stick with Hoke in 15'. I could see Brandon seeing a prime opportunity in making Nuss the HC and getting a strong boost in recruiting with a younger guy and the schedule works to their favor with Ohio and LB at home.

 
LAUNCH said:
Ty Issac will be interesting. I doubt he will get the hardship case and I am not sure Michigan wants him to. The O/U is 7.5 this season, sad. If it is the under I wonder if Brandon will stick with Hoke in 15'. I could see Brandon seeing a prime opportunity in making Nuss the HC and getting a strong boost in recruiting with a younger guy and the schedule works to their favor with Ohio and LB at home.
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I like to give them all 5 years to prove themselves, get their guys in etc. With that said...he started out quickly, now seems to be plateauing. The development of players on offense has been a concern for me and it seems that the defense, while improved a TON in a short period of time isn't reaching it's full potential.

 
LAUNCH said:
Ty Issac will be interesting. I doubt he will get the hardship case and I am not sure Michigan wants him to. The O/U is 7.5 this season, sad. If it is the under I wonder if Brandon will stick with Hoke in 15'. I could see Brandon seeing a prime opportunity in making Nuss the HC and getting a strong boost in recruiting with a younger guy and the schedule works to their favor with Ohio and LB at home.
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I think there is a 0% chance Doug Nussmeier is the next M coach. For 2 reasons - a) he has no head coaching experience and b) for him to do a good job to be considered, the offense will have to be really good. In which case, M probably does well and Hoke is still the coach.

 
whoknew said:
LAUNCH said:
Ty Issac will be interesting. I doubt he will get the hardship case and I am not sure Michigan wants him to. The O/U is 7.5 this season, sad. If it is the under I wonder if Brandon will stick with Hoke in 15'. I could see Brandon seeing a prime opportunity in making Nuss the HC and getting a strong boost in recruiting with a younger guy and the schedule works to their favor with Ohio and LB at home.
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I think there is a 0% chance Doug Nussmeier is the next M coach. For 2 reasons - a) he has no head coaching experience and b) for him to do a good job to be considered, the offense will have to be really good. In which case, M probably does well and Hoke is still the coach.
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Aug. 30 APPALACHIAN STATE (W)Sept. 6 at Notre Dame (?)Sept. 13 MIAMI (Ohio) (W)Sept. 20 UTAH (W)Sept. 27 MINNESOTA* (W)Oct. 4 at Rutgers* (W)Oct. 11 PENN STATE* (?)Oct. 18 ByeOct. 25 at Michigan State* (L)Nov. 1 INDIANA* (HC) (W)Nov. 8 at Northwestern* (?)Nov. 15 ByeNov. 22 MARYLAND* (W)Nov. 29 at Ohio State* (L)I agree to a point, but the schedule does them no favors. Both sides of the ball could be better and they could still go 7-6 again. I doubt they will, but they need to stay healthy. The Notre Dame game early will set the tone. 6-0 going up against Penn State @ home before the bye could make a great bye week going to EL. If they are 5-2 going into that bye it's going to be a long two weeks that leads into LB. As far a Nuss goes I would think he would have to be on the short list and in my mind it would probably be third on that list (Jim, Less). With Franklin and Urbz recruiting in the same division it is going to difficult to regain the momentum if they flutter again. This supposedly is what Urbz said to Harris and other recruits. Even if this story is totally made up it would be hard to believe that he wouldn't do that.

https://twitter.com/nezzy21/status/473202007294357504/photo/1

(Urban) spent 10 mins negatively recruiting Michigan. He mentioned how Michigan went 7-6 because of the coaching and the coaches lack of trust in the players. Michigan coaches would have you believe it is the players fault. He mention that OSU recruits the SAME TYPE OF TALENT that Michigan recruits and he won 24 straight games while Michigan goes 7-6. My friend told me he hit Michigan HARD and was very good about it, apparently the recruits was eating it up. Afterwards, he played a 8 min video of Suckeye players crushing Michigan players.
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LAUNCH said:
https://twitter.com/nezzy21/status/473202007294357504/photo/1

(Urban) spent 10 mins negatively recruiting Michigan. He mentioned how Michigan went 7-6 because of the coaching and the coaches lack of trust in the players. Michigan coaches would have you believe it is the players fault. He mention that OSU recruits the SAME TYPE OF TALENT that Michigan recruits and he won 24 straight games while Michigan goes 7-6. My friend told me he hit Michigan HARD and was very good about it, apparently the recruits was eating it up. Afterwards, he played a 8 min video of Suckeye players crushing Michigan players.
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Pretty tough to argue with anything in that paragraph.

 
Welcome Ty :thumbup: I think that probably seals Harris' fate for 2015, no? Doubt they'll be putting the full court press on much more.

 
As I mentioned in the CFB thread, just realized this was the first year of new division alignments in the B1G. I am guessing that's why Michigan is at MSU for a second year in a row? It's a tough schedule for this team and a bad year for season ticket holders. Not a lot coming to the Big House this year.

York's been booted from the team as he should be. Recruiting's been tough to follow with so few spots but it look like summer has been productive. Hopefully they can close McMillian and Roseboro. If they crack the top 20 this year, it'll be impressive.

2014 Schedule

Cautiously optimistic, but lots of changes from last year to this year...9-10 wins too much to ask with the schedule the way it is?

 
gump said:
The Commish said:
Recruiting's been tough to follow with so few spots but it look like summer has been productive. Hopefully they can close McMillian and Roseboro.
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Sorry dude... :boxing: I am pulling for UM to get back though.
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McMillian was a pipe dream IMO but it was one of the two they were focused on so I included him. Felt the same way about him that I did about Hand...never thought he would really come here. What I don't get is why he's still planning his official visit to Michigan in the fall :oldunsure:

 
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I've said these things before but as a Spartan, I hope they give Hoke a lifetime contract. The hallmark of Michigan teams in the past always was making better halftime adjustments than their opponents. That just hasn't been the case at all recently and that falls completely upon coaching.

The offensive line continues to be bad and it makes it difficult to tell whether Gardner is as bad as he looks or if the horrific line play contributes to that. 2/5 of last years offensive line got drafted (1st rounder and a 3rd rounder) and yet that line was junk. Again, that falls on coaching.

 
I really want Brady Hoke to be a good coach

I do not think he is, at least not at this level.

Now for my concern, i like Hoke and do not think he is a good coach. I hate Harbaugh and I think he is a great coach. I really fear the stars are aligning for the niners to fall from grace and move on from Harbaugh, for Michigan to dump Hoke, and for Harbaugh to come in.

He would do a fantastic job, but I do not like him at all.

 
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I really want Brady Hoke to be a good coach

I do not think he is, at least not at this level.

Now for my concern, i like Hoke and do not think he is a good coach. I hate Harbaugh and I think he is a great coach. I really fear the stars are aligning for the niners to fall from grace and move on from Harbaugh, for Michigan to dump Hoke, and for Harbaugh to come in.

He would do a fantastic job, but I do not like him at all.
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I'm sorta in the same boat as you minus the strong feelings towards Harbaugh. I do think a Harbaugh hire would be the lease impactful to the current talent and recruiting classes coming in. However, if he fell out of grace in SF, Michigan would be competing with the NFL to get him, so I don't really think it'd happen unless Harbaugh really wanted to come back to Michigan.

 
The Commish said:
B-Deep said:
I really want Brady Hoke to be a good coach

I do not think he is, at least not at this level.

Now for my concern, i like Hoke and do not think he is a good coach. I hate Harbaugh and I think he is a great coach. I really fear the stars are aligning for the niners to fall from grace and move on from Harbaugh, for Michigan to dump Hoke, and for Harbaugh to come in.

He would do a fantastic job, but I do not like him at all.
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I'm sorta in the same boat as you minus the strong feelings towards Harbaugh. I do think a Harbaugh hire would be the lease impactful to the current talent and recruiting classes coming in. However, if he fell out of grace in SF, Michigan would be competing with the NFL to get him, so I don't really think it'd happen unless Harbaugh really wanted to come back to Michigan.
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I agree he'd likely stay NFL, but I do not think he should. I think he is a great coach and a humongous ###. If the NFL you have pros being paid a ton of cash and think his act wears thin. In the NCAA you get kids chasing a dream who are more willing to put up with him, because they have no choice. I think he is a better NCAA coach. The question is, does he realize that? probably not.

 
The Commish said:
B-Deep said:
I really want Brady Hoke to be a good coach

I do not think he is, at least not at this level.

Now for my concern, i like Hoke and do not think he is a good coach. I hate Harbaugh and I think he is a great coach. I really fear the stars are aligning for the niners to fall from grace and move on from Harbaugh, for Michigan to dump Hoke, and for Harbaugh to come in.

He would do a fantastic job, but I do not like him at all.
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I'm sorta in the same boat as you minus the strong feelings towards Harbaugh. I do think a Harbaugh hire would be the lease impactful to the current talent and recruiting classes coming in. However, if he fell out of grace in SF, Michigan would be competing with the NFL to get him, so I don't really think it'd happen unless Harbaugh really wanted to come back to Michigan.
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Hoke has been a #### lately, so I'm not sure why people like him so much. He's stubborn, he's an ### lately in press conferences to both media and fans, he's WAY behind the times (i.e., traditional punt formation), and he's just a bad coach.

 
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