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***Official 2024 Pro Cycling Thread*** - The road ends in Spain. Guaranteed Crazy Ending. (5 Viewers)

TOUR DE FBG 2024​

STAGE WINS
  1. @BassNBrew
  2. @Jaysus
  3. @BobbyLayne
  4. @cheeseypoof
  5. @brettdj
  6. @BassNBrew (2)
  7. @cheeseypoof (2)
  8. @Sand
  9. @DA RAIDERS
  10. @Nick Vermeil
  11. @cheeseypoof (3)
  12. @Nick Vermeil (2)
  13. @Nick Vermeil (3)
  14. @cheeseypoof (4)
  15. @cheeseypoof (5)
  16. @Nick Vermeil (4)
  17. @Jaysus (2)
  18. @Nick Vermeil (5)
  19. @Nick Vermeil (6)
OVERALL STANDINGS
 
final km

great ride by Jorgenson

Pogi? How many best climbs ever can a guy have in the same TdF?
The last time I saw someone do something like this was Armstrong and it felt impossible. We learned it was technically impossible without "help". I know that training/recovery/etc. has all made huge strides in 20 years, but this feels the same way. One guy being THAT much better than everyone else and doing it multiple times in the same tour smells fishy to me, but I'm just a casual observer so take that for what it's worth.
At least for this year the three other favorites all had relatively big crashes in April so that explains some of it. Jonas isn't that far off him (if this was a month later, he'd be even closer). But I hear you on the relative differences. It also doesn't get brought up, but Tadej's training last year was affected by his wrist, so it wasn't the best Tadej last year.

FWIW, I do think the absolute climbing times are more than a bit of canard. Many of these climbs haven't been ridden in awhile and certainly not on 28mm tires with this low rolling resistance (I recently moved to 32mm on my new bike and you basically get close to a free mph even for the Sunday cyclist and its a much more comfortable ride) nor with the riders taking in 120g of carbo an hour or staying cool throughout the stage (even in 2022 they weren't doing a lot of this stuff which is why Tadej bonked).

Jonas looked as broken at the end there as Tadej last year. Feel for the guy for the first time in awhile.
Yeah. It seems like a lot of things broke perfectly for Tadej this year. The April crashes. Sepp getting COVID. Nothing went right for the Visma team coming into the tour. I also get some of the new equipment making for multiple climb records seem possible. What's been the biggest eye opener for me though is watching Tadej break a record, put time on his rivals, then come out a still be the strongest cycler the next day. That stuff usually takes a toll on anyone and it just seems like Tadej has no end to his energy store.
I do think we're still conditioned from the relatively boring Age of Sky to that style of doing just enough to win the Tour. Neither Tadej nor Jonas really ride that way (Jonas and Jumbo sort of do, but they're more willing to race).

A big piece of this is also nutrition (they are effectively eating twice as much in carbs each stage as 5 years ago) and general core cooling (everyone is basically riding with icepack in their back to lower their core temp). During the Age of Sky, while they were essentially riding to a power number, they were doing so at a lower calorie intake and higher core temp (and this stuff isn't easy...it's essentially take UAE 2 years...the two year's Jonas one to learn how to do these things really well especially since Tadej can overheat).

And just an aside, as a viewer, Tejay can go F himself with all the criticism of Tadej today. Part of the reason this Tour has been so captativing is that the best rider, the second best rider, and the third best rider are willing to race close to every stage. I want to see racing from the best or I want to see historical "greatness". This Tour has had both from these guys.
 
final km

great ride by Jorgenson

Pogi? How many best climbs ever can a guy have in the same TdF?
The last time I saw someone do something like this was Armstrong and it felt impossible. We learned it was technically impossible without "help". I know that training/recovery/etc. has all made huge strides in 20 years, but this feels the same way. One guy being THAT much better than everyone else and doing it multiple times in the same tour smells fishy to me, but I'm just a casual observer so take that for what it's worth.
Let them dope! And yes, I agree with you. I guarantee froome and skyy were on something as well.
 
I do think we're still conditioned from the relatively boring Age of Sky to that style of doing just enough to win the Tour. Neither Tadej nor Jonas really ride that way (Jonas and Jumbo sort of do, but they're more willing to race).

We’ve been saying it for years. These guys don’t race like the back-in-the-day peloton. Age 26 to 28 has historically been a GC riders most productive years.
  • Tadej turns 26 September 21. Has anyone since Merckx been this productive at such a young age?
  • Jonas turns 28 in December. Won’t ride the Olympics or Vuelta so we’ll have to wait awhile, but should have several competitive seasons left.
  • Remco is riding his first TdF; best of the rest turns 25 in January.
It’s rare a rider gets leadership of a team while still competing for the White jersey (Jonas still deferred to Primoz until he won his first GT.) Tadej has already been the man to beat for four years.

Remco may never get to his level and as a Belgium he has way more pressure. It is what it is.
 
overall Velogames for the day:
Congrats on a fantastic stage, guys!

@Nick Vermeil - finally made it to 2nd! WTG brother man.

Not over yet but @cheeseypoof with a yuge lead …
For a while there toward the end I had 3 riders in the break. Somehow I knew Pogacar wouldn’t let them win.
 
overall Velogames for the day:
Congrats on a fantastic stage, guys!

@Nick Vermeil - finally made it to 2nd! WTG brother man.

Not over yet but @cheeseypoof with a yuge lead …
For a while there toward the end I had 3 riders in the break. Somehow I knew Pogacar wouldn’t let them win.

Not on this kind of stage, but it would be hilarious if one of the punchy roulier vets (who wait all year to get into a GT breakaway) got fed up with and just went off on him.

CAN'T YOU JUST PACE FOR ONE FREAKING STAGE??

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK I'M SO SICK OF IT!
 
final km

great ride by Jorgenson

Pogi? How many best climbs ever can a guy have in the same TdF?
The last time I saw someone do something like this was Armstrong and it felt impossible. We learned it was technically impossible without "help". I know that training/recovery/etc. has all made huge strides in 20 years, but this feels the same way. One guy being THAT much better than everyone else and doing it multiple times in the same tour smells fishy to me, but I'm just a casual observer so take that for what it's worth.
At least for this year the three other favorites all had relatively big crashes in April so that explains some of it. Jonas isn't that far off him (if this was a month later, he'd be even closer). But I hear you on the relative differences. It also doesn't get brought up, but Tadej's training last year was affected by his wrist, so it wasn't the best Tadej last year.

FWIW, I do think the absolute climbing times are more than a bit of canard. Many of these climbs haven't been ridden in awhile and certainly not on 28mm tires with this low rolling resistance (I recently moved to 32mm on my new bike and you basically get close to a free mph even for the Sunday cyclist and its a much more comfortable ride) nor with the riders taking in 120g of carbo an hour or staying cool throughout the stage (even in 2022 they weren't doing a lot of this stuff which is why Tadej bonked).

Jonas looked as broken at the end there as Tadej last year. Feel for the guy for the first time in awhile.
Yeah. It seems like a lot of things broke perfectly for Tadej this year. The April crashes. Sepp getting COVID. Nothing went right for the Visma team coming into the tour. I also get some of the new equipment making for multiple climb records seem possible. What's been the biggest eye opener for me though is watching Tadej break a record, put time on his rivals, then come out a still be the strongest cycler the next day. That stuff usually takes a toll on anyone and it just seems like Tadej has no end to his energy store.
I do think we're still conditioned from the relatively boring Age of Sky to that style of doing just enough to win the Tour. Neither Tadej nor Jonas really ride that way (Jonas and Jumbo sort of do, but they're more willing to race).

A big piece of this is also nutrition (they are effectively eating twice as much in carbs each stage as 5 years ago) and general core cooling (everyone is basically riding with icepack in their back to lower their core temp). During the Age of Sky, while they were essentially riding to a power number, they were doing so at a lower calorie intake and higher core temp (and this stuff isn't easy...it's essentially take UAE 2 years...the two year's Jonas one to learn how to do these things really well especially since Tadej can overheat).

And just an aside, as a viewer, Tejay can go F himself with all the criticism of Tadej today. Part of the reason this Tour has been so captativing is that the best rider, the second best rider, and the third best rider are willing to race close to every stage. I want to see racing from the best or I want to see historical "greatness". This Tour has had both from these guys.
Ex-Cyclists must be the dumbest mfer's on the planet. Any of us posting here and maybe even @Sand have a better understanding of what's going on.
 
overall Velogames for the day:
Congrats on a fantastic stage, guys!

@Nick Vermeil - finally made it to 2nd! WTG brother man.

Not over yet but @cheeseypoof with a yuge lead …
For a while there toward the end I had 3 riders in the break. Somehow I knew Pogacar wouldn’t let them win.

Not on this kind of stage, but it would be hilarious if one of the punchy roulier vets (who wait all year to get into a GT breakaway) got fed up with and just went off on him.

CAN'T YOU JUST PACE FOR ONE FREAKING STAGE??

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK I'M SO SICK OF IT!
Where's all this whining when the sprint teams pull back breakaways?
 
final km

great ride by Jorgenson

Pogi? How many best climbs ever can a guy have in the same TdF?
The last time I saw someone do something like this was Armstrong and it felt impossible. We learned it was technically impossible without "help". I know that training/recovery/etc. has all made huge strides in 20 years, but this feels the same way. One guy being THAT much better than everyone else and doing it multiple times in the same tour smells fishy to me, but I'm just a casual observer so take that for what it's worth.
At least for this year the three other favorites all had relatively big crashes in April so that explains some of it. Jonas isn't that far off him (if this was a month later, he'd be even closer). But I hear you on the relative differences. It also doesn't get brought up, but Tadej's training last year was affected by his wrist, so it wasn't the best Tadej last year.

FWIW, I do think the absolute climbing times are more than a bit of canard. Many of these climbs haven't been ridden in awhile and certainly not on 28mm tires with this low rolling resistance (I recently moved to 32mm on my new bike and you basically get close to a free mph even for the Sunday cyclist and its a much more comfortable ride) nor with the riders taking in 120g of carbo an hour or staying cool throughout the stage (even in 2022 they weren't doing a lot of this stuff which is why Tadej bonked).

Jonas looked as broken at the end there as Tadej last year. Feel for the guy for the first time in awhile.
Yeah. It seems like a lot of things broke perfectly for Tadej this year. The April crashes. Sepp getting COVID. Nothing went right for the Visma team coming into the tour. I also get some of the new equipment making for multiple climb records seem possible. What's been the biggest eye opener for me though is watching Tadej break a record, put time on his rivals, then come out a still be the strongest cycler the next day. That stuff usually takes a toll on anyone and it just seems like Tadej has no end to his energy store.
I do think we're still conditioned from the relatively boring Age of Sky to that style of doing just enough to win the Tour. Neither Tadej nor Jonas really ride that way (Jonas and Jumbo sort of do, but they're more willing to race).

A big piece of this is also nutrition (they are effectively eating twice as much in carbs each stage as 5 years ago) and general core cooling (everyone is basically riding with icepack in their back to lower their core temp). During the Age of Sky, while they were essentially riding to a power number, they were doing so at a lower calorie intake and higher core temp (and this stuff isn't easy...it's essentially take UAE 2 years...the two year's Jonas one to learn how to do these things really well especially since Tadej can overheat).

And just an aside, as a viewer, Tejay can go F himself with all the criticism of Tadej today. Part of the reason this Tour has been so captativing is that the best rider, the second best rider, and the third best rider are willing to race close to every stage. I want to see racing from the best or I want to see historical "greatness". This Tour has had both from these guys.
Ex-Cyclists must be the dumbest mfer's on the planet. Any of us posting here and maybe even @Sand have a better understanding of what's going on.
TJ has always been a bitter bump on a log.
 
overall Velogames for the day:
Congrats on a fantastic stage, guys!

@Nick Vermeil - finally made it to 2nd! WTG brother man.

Not over yet but @cheeseypoof with a yuge lead …
For a while there toward the end I had 3 riders in the break. Somehow I knew Pogacar wouldn’t let them win.

Not on this kind of stage, but it would be hilarious if one of the punchy roulier vets (who wait all year to get into a GT breakaway) got fed up with and just went off on him.

CAN'T YOU JUST PACE FOR ONE FREAKING STAGE??

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK I'M SO SICK OF IT!
Where's all this whining when the sprint teams pull back breakaways?

Pretty much the same dynamic in the old peloton dynamics v today's peloton on Sprint stages, though.

Yellow jersey teams dominating punchy, hilly stages or mountains when they could just ride defensively to maintain the GC gap - that's newish, right?
 
overall Velogames for the day:
Congrats on a fantastic stage, guys!

@Nick Vermeil - finally made it to 2nd! WTG brother man.

Not over yet but @cheeseypoof with a yuge lead …
For a while there toward the end I had 3 riders in the break. Somehow I knew Pogacar wouldn’t let them win.

Not on this kind of stage, but it would be hilarious if one of the punchy roulier vets (who wait all year to get into a GT breakaway) got fed up with and just went off on him.

CAN'T YOU JUST PACE FOR ONE FREAKING STAGE??

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK I'M SO SICK OF IT!
Where's all this whining when the sprint teams pull back breakaways?

Pretty much the same dynamic in the old peloton dynamics v today's peloton on Sprint stages, though.

Yellow jersey teams dominating punchy, hilly stages or mountains when they could just ride defensively to maintain the GC gap - that's newish, right?
Yeah...though I think it really started with bonification seconds becoming a thing. I seem to recall that wasn't the rule on a regular basis in the old days.

I just don't understand why it's cool for Cav and friends to win 4-5 stages in a year and then people boo-hoo when Tadej wins 4.
 
overall Velogames for the day:
Congrats on a fantastic stage, guys!

@Nick Vermeil - finally made it to 2nd! WTG brother man.

Not over yet but @cheeseypoof with a yuge lead …
For a while there toward the end I had 3 riders in the break. Somehow I knew Pogacar wouldn’t let them win.

Not on this kind of stage, but it would be hilarious if one of the punchy roulier vets (who wait all year to get into a GT breakaway) got fed up with and just went off on him.

CAN'T YOU JUST PACE FOR ONE FREAKING STAGE??

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK I'M SO SICK OF IT!
Where's all this whining when the sprint teams pull back breakaways?

Pretty much the same dynamic in the old peloton dynamics v today's peloton on Sprint stages, though.

Yellow jersey teams dominating punchy, hilly stages or mountains when they could just ride defensively to maintain the GC gap - that's newish, right?
Yeah...though I think it really started with bonification seconds becoming a thing. I seem to recall that wasn't the rule on a regular basis in the old days.

I just don't understand why it's cool for Cav and friends to win 4-5 stages in a year and then people boo-hoo when Tadej wins 4.

Good point on the bonies, Tadej is greedy about those

good tactic - every little bit shaved off puts more pressure on Jonas
 
overall Velogames for the day:
Congrats on a fantastic stage, guys!

@Nick Vermeil - finally made it to 2nd! WTG brother man.

Not over yet but @cheeseypoof with a yuge lead …
Feel like I’m leaking oil, especially if Pogacar shuts it down. Hopefully Reno goes all out in the TT.
 
overall Velogames for the day:
Congrats on a fantastic stage, guys!

@Nick Vermeil - finally made it to 2nd! WTG brother man.

Not over yet but @cheeseypoof with a yuge lead …
For a while there toward the end I had 3 riders in the break. Somehow I knew Pogacar wouldn’t let them win.

Not on this kind of stage, but it would be hilarious if one of the punchy roulier vets (who wait all year to get into a GT breakaway) got fed up with and just went off on him.

CAN'T YOU JUST PACE FOR ONE FREAKING STAGE??

ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK I'M SO SICK OF IT!
Where's all this whining when the sprint teams pull back breakaways?

Pretty much the same dynamic in the old peloton dynamics v today's peloton on Sprint stages, though.

Yellow jersey teams dominating punchy, hilly stages or mountains when they could just ride defensively to maintain the GC gap - that's newish, right?
Yeah...though I think it really started with bonification seconds becoming a thing. I seem to recall that wasn't the rule on a regular basis in the old days.

I just don't understand why it's cool for Cav and friends to win 4-5 stages in a year and then people boo-hoo when Tadej wins 4.
Agreed...the one thing that has really changed with these speeds is that you really have to be a top sprinter or a top 40 GC rider to have any real chance of winning a stage. The only 4 stages that didn't were Stage 1, 2, 9, and 18 which were all more like classic profile stages (it's not a coincidence that those 4 had some of the best racing along with stages 18 and 19 last year). They need more stages like those at the expense of some of the flat or flat/wind stages; and any grand tour with 2 TT is at least one too many TTs.

Having said that, the organizers did a good job in that we didn't truly know who was going to win until today.
 
After all the whining about Pogacar not gifting the stage to Mateo, Mateo jumps Carapaz for the last KOM point on the first climb.

Race already blown to shreds on the first climb. Pogacar clowning around posing for photos and spraying fans with water while everyone else struggles to stay in what's left of the peleton.
 
Pogačar was on 31 Race Days for the season at the start of the TdF.

Number of race days before the start of the race for the past winners of Tour de France:

YEAR RIDER #RACEDAYS
2023 VINGEGAARD Jonas 25
2022 VINGEGAARD Jonas 26
2021 POGAČAR Tadej 30
2020 POGAČAR Tadej 19
2019 BERNAL Egan 32
2018 THOMAS Geraint 30
2017 FROOME Chris 27
2016 FROOME Chris 27
2015 FROOME Chris 27
2014 NIBALI Vincenzo 46
2013 FROOME Chris 30
2012 WIGGINS Bradley 30
2011 EVANS Cadel 29
2010 SCHLECK Andy 42
2009 CONTADOR Alberto 33
2008 SASTRE Carlos 37
2007 CONTADOR Alberto 37
2006 PEREIRO Óscar 45
2005 ARMSTRONG Lance 22
2004 ARMSTRONG Lance 32
 
So much for letting the break go. Though it’s more Jonas driving and Tadej riding his wheel. Remco just isn’t quite at their level.
 
Preliminary results.

RNK.RIDERTEAMTIME
1POGAČAR TadejUAE Team Emirates4:04:22
2VINGEGAARD JonasTeam Visma | Lease a Bike0:07
3CARAPAZ RichardEF Education - EasyPost0:23
4EVENEPOEL RemcoSoudal Quick-Step0:53
5MAS EnricMovistar Team1:07
6ALMEIDA JoãoUAE Team Emirates1:28
7JORGENSON MatteoTeam Visma | Lease a Bike1:33
8LANDA MikelSoudal Quick-Step1:41
9YATES AdamUAE Team Emirates1:43
10BARDET RomainTeam dsm-firmenich PostNL1:52

General classification after stage 20.

RNK.RIDERTEAMTIME
1POGAČAR TadejUAE Team Emirates82:53:32
2VINGEGAARD JonasTeam Visma | Lease a Bike5:14
3EVENEPOEL RemcoSoudal Quick-Step8:04
4ALMEIDA JoãoUAE Team Emirates16:45
5LANDA MikelSoudal Quick-Step17:25
6YATES AdamUAE Team Emirates21:11
7RODRÍGUEZ CarlosINEOS Grenadiers21:12
8JORGENSON MatteoTeam Visma | Lease a Bike24:26
9GEE DerekIsrael - Premier Tech24:50
10CICCONE GiulioLidl - Trek25:48
11BUITRAGO SantiagoBahrain - Victorious26:10
 
STAGE 20 LEADERBOARD


@Jaysus Stage 20 Score: 728 Stage 20 Rank: 1749 of 29808

Nice! WTG @Jaysus !!



STAGE WINS
  1. @BassNBrew
  2. @Jaysus
  3. @BobbyLayne
  4. @cheeseypoof
  5. @brettdj
  6. @BassNBrew (2)
  7. @cheeseypoof (2)
  8. @Sand
  9. @DA RAIDERS
  10. @Nick Vermeil
  11. @cheeseypoof (3)
  12. @Nick Vermeil (2)
  13. @Nick Vermeil (3)
  14. @cheeseypoof (4)
  15. @cheeseypoof (5)
  16. @Nick Vermeil (4)
  17. @Jaysus (2)
  18. @Nick Vermeil (5)
  19. @Nick Vermeil (6)
  20. @Jaysus (3)


OVERALL STANDINGS

Looks like a good podium battle brewing between @Sammy3469 and @Jaysus - guess it’ll come down to the End-of-the-Tour points.

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Rider(s) with the most stage wins per edition of Tour de France for last editions.

YEARRIDER(S)#STAGE WINS
2024Pogačar5
2023Philipsen4
2022van Aert, Pogačar3
2021Cavendish4
2020Pogačar3
2019Ewan3
2018Sagan3
2017Kittel5
2016Cavendish4
2015Greipel4
2014Kittel, Nibali4
2013Kittel4
2012Sagan, Cavendish, Greipel3
2011Cavendish5
2010Cavendish5
2009Cavendish6
2008Cavendish4
2007Cancellara, Boonen, Rasmussen, Vinokourov, Bennati2
2006McEwen3
2005McEwen3
Damn, Cav. What a career.

Other notes: Really gonna miss Cav. He, Fabian, and Jens have been the most entertaining riders of the last 20 years.

Very impressed with Carapaz. What an incredible late surge.

Also impressed with Remco. I thought he'd blow up big time like he always has. He's been rock solid. Throws like a girlie girl, though.
 
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Very impressed with Carapaz. What an incredible late surge.

Also impressed with Remco. I thought he'd blow up big time like he always has. He's been rock solid. Throws like a girlie girl, though.

What a blunder by me swapping out Carapaz at the last minute. Tinkering after you've already set your lineup rarely ends well.

Landa joining SQS has helped Remco a lot. Calming presence and a strong climber to set him up. Chapeau Evenepoel, he clearly established himself as the best of the rest and quieted his critics.
 
Pogačar with his fifth TdF victory this year, all on climbing stages. The only other man to have won five mountain stages in one Tour was Gino Bartali in 1948.
Really hope he’s naturally that good and not on the juice.

We all do.
not me... I prefer my pro athletes on steroids!
Same.

Let. Them. Juice.

Other than being a giant douchebag to a few people, lance is the f’ing man.
 
Rider(s) with the most stage wins per edition of Tour de France for last editions.

YEARRIDER(S)#STAGE WINS
2024Pogačar5
2023Philipsen4
2022van Aert, Pogačar3
2021Cavendish4
2020Pogačar3
2019Ewan3
2018Sagan3
2017Kittel5
2016Cavendish4
2015Greipel4
2014Kittel, Nibali4
2013Kittel4
2012Sagan, Cavendish, Greipel3
2011Cavendish5
2010Cavendish5
2009Cavendish6
2008Cavendish4
2007Cancellara, Boonen, Rasmussen, Vinokourov, Bennati2
2006McEwen3
2005McEwen3
Damn, Cav. What a career.

Other notes: Really gonna miss Cav. He, Fabian, and Jens have been the most entertaining riders of the last 20 years.

Very impressed with Carapaz. What an incredible late surge.

Also impressed with Remco. I thought he'd blow up big time like he always has. He's been rock solid. Throws like a girlie girl, though.
Sagan? So great. So entertaining.
 
Rider(s) with the most stage wins per edition of Tour de France for last editions.

YEARRIDER(S)#STAGE WINS
2024Pogačar5
2023Philipsen4
2022van Aert, Pogačar3
2021Cavendish4
2020Pogačar3
2019Ewan3
2018Sagan3
2017Kittel5
2016Cavendish4
2015Greipel4
2014Kittel, Nibali4
2013Kittel4
2012Sagan, Cavendish, Greipel3
2011Cavendish5
2010Cavendish5
2009Cavendish6
2008Cavendish4
2007Cancellara, Boonen, Rasmussen, Vinokourov, Bennati2
2006McEwen3
2005McEwen3
Damn, Cav. What a career.

Other notes: Really gonna miss Cav. He, Fabian, and Jens have been the most entertaining riders of the last 20 years.

Very impressed with Carapaz. What an incredible late surge.

Also impressed with Remco. I thought he'd blow up big time like he always has. He's been rock solid. Throws like a girlie girl, though.
Sagan? So great. So entertaining.
Good one. He should be in the list.
 

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