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I keep getting stuck and am fighting to get through the ball. Think lower body is too far in front. When my timing is good I’m pure but I just can’t get consistent. Frustrating game. Good news is I’ve improved in all areas of short game pitching/chipping including sand so always have a shot at par but ballstriking woes mean fewer birdie chances and auto low 80’s. Need to find an instructor who can fix me. Willing to start over. 

 
Premium pay options for those GPS/score keeping apps (GolfLogix, etc), any favorites or suggested options, ones to avoid?  I use the free GolfLogix now, but thinking it might be worth the money to have the more advanced distance features of the premium membership 

 
That one guy said:
Premium pay options for those GPS/score keeping apps (GolfLogix, etc), any favorites or suggested options, ones to avoid?  I use the free GolfLogix now, but thinking it might be worth the money to have the more advanced distance features of the premium membership 
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I use the GolfLogix premium.  They added greens and and something else last year that I don't use.  But I like it a lot.  No complaints and the distances are fairly accurate for me.  My handicap is 14 and the distances are as good as I need them to be.

 
tommyboy said:
Also congrats on breaking 80. That's a great mental milestone to get through. Now you can dream about 70.

Coaches tip the main difference between shooting 80 and 75 is short game
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sorry if I wasn't clear - first time breaking 80 this season

and I'm the oddball that proves the rule - very good putter and decent chipper.  I lose my strokes from wild tee balls and mis hit approaches.  Oh and sand traps.

 
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Thorn said:
sorry if I wasn't clear - first time breaking 80 this season

and I'm the oddball that proves the rule - very good putter and decent chipper.  I lose my strokes from wild tee balls and mis hit approaches.  Oh and sand traps.
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one not dare utter the word mis#### in here.

your game sounds like mine about 10-11 years ago.  So i really focused  on the driver and swing consistency through the bag.   I went from shooting 80  to 70-75 on a regular basis.   Sand traps are easy, you honestly can become decent to good with one hour spent in a bunker practicing.  Its probably the easiest thing to become decent at compared to putting, chipping and full swing stuff.

with the driver you have to develop a swing with one miss (either left or right, pick one)   Once you have the "one miss" thing covered you can approach all tee shots with the idea that there's 2/3'rds of the space in front of you your ball can end up and you'll be in decent shape for a 2nd shot.   

on your mis hit approaches, try playing several rounds where you resist the urge to aim at the flag and instead just aim for the center of every green.    Try that, seriously it really helps avg to decent golfers become good golfers because it frees up your mind/tension pre-shot.

 
This season has been weird for me.

Started at like a 21 handicap and after a couple of warmup rounds, I proceeded to fire 6 or 7 rounds in a row in the 89-91 range (after just breaking 90 for the first time last year, and only once). I play mostly from our white tees (about 5800 yards, 125 slope) but even had a couple rounds where one blowup hole cost me a sub 90 round from the blue tees. (about 6400 yards, 135 slope)

So after my hot start to year, i got down to a 17.7 handicap. Then the rough (which is notoriously tough at our course) grew in starting in mid-may and my scores started trickling up again. I started losing control  of my driver, forgetting my chipping fundamentals, etc. Started shooting in the mid 90's more frequently again (even shooting a disastrous 100+ at my dad's course).

But then on Friday, i shot my best round ever (86) despite 4 lipouts and a terrible start to the back 9.   Currently down to a 17.2 (although trending back up with some good rounds from April starting to fall off the calculation)

I definitely need to take a lesson to figure out my driver swing path.  On good days, I leak to the right like 1/2 a fairway width and can adjust. On bad days, i start left and then basically slice across the entire fairway. (with the occasional dead pull OB trying to adjust)   I can get away with that from the whites, (where even a bad drive leaves with with a 7 or 8 in)  but when I move back, a bad driving day just makes it impossible to score well. I'm hitting 5 and 6 irons out of the rough all day, which isn't getting it done with my poor chipping. (I left myself short sided and/or downhill chips all weekend. It sucked)

On the bright side, my putting (at least on my course. I was terrible at my dad's, which has MUCH faster greens) has been consistently decent. My lag putting is much better and I'm doing a better job reading the short ones. Made 2 real nice downhill breakers for birdies on Friday to get me to the 86. New putter has helped.

 
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Question for you guys:  Do most of you play the same course (or couple courses) all the time?  I have friends who pretty much play one or two courses and that's it.  Our foursome rarely plays the same course twice in a year.  Some times we don't see the same course for 2 or more years.  

The reason I ask is because I feel like my scores could be better if I played the same course over and over.  But honestly, I have more fun going to a new course, seeing new holes, and maybe shooting a little higher because I'm not familiar with the layout.  Just wondered which side you guys fell on.  

I will say it's helped control my Patrick Reed-ish temper.  I'll hit a good shot only to find out there was a hazard or not an ideal landing spot and I'm happier about the good shot than I am angry about the result.

 
TheIronSheik said:
Question for you guys:  Do most of you play the same course (or couple courses) all the time?  I have friends who pretty much play one or two courses and that's it.  Our foursome rarely plays the same course twice in a year.  Some times we don't see the same course for 2 or more years.  

The reason I ask is because I feel like my scores could be better if I played the same course over and over.  But honestly, I have more fun going to a new course, seeing new holes, and maybe shooting a little higher because I'm not familiar with the layout.  Just wondered which side you guys fell on.  

I will say it's helped control my Patrick Reed-ish temper.  I'll hit a good shot only to find out there was a hazard or not an ideal landing spot and I'm happier about the good shot than I am angry about the result.
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I'm a member at my course(s).  Its actually 3 courses you get.  But my normal Sunday group plays the same course.  So I say 80% of the time I play the same course.    If I can sneak out during the week its to different courses.

I like playing different courses but also like having our standing tee time at 7am on Sundays.  I have a set group of courses I try to play once a year and others I wnt to get to.

Just currently with my daughters activities and my job I do not play 40 times a year liek I used too.  I'm lucky to get 6-10

 
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Living in Orlando, there are just way too many courses within an hours drive to go sticking one or two courses.  Scores probably would be better if you mastered one course, but then repetition would set in and you’d get bored 

 
belljr said:
I'm a member at my course(s).  Its actually 3 courses you get.  But my normal Sunday group plays the same course.  So I say 80% of the time I play the same course.    If I can sneak out during the week its to different courses.

I like playing different courses but also like having our standing tee time at 7am on Sundays.  I have a set group of courses I try to play once a year and others I wnt to get to.

Just currently with my daughters activities and my job I do not play 40 times a year liek I used too.  I'm lucky to get 6-10
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It's one of the main reasons I never really thought about joining a country club.  As much as I'd love to play some of the private courses around here, I think I'd be bored after 1 season.  

 
I used to think that.   But a our course is nice and challenging.  We will change tees to switch it up etc.

But if I didn't have a group of 12 I play with with our Sunday matches, contents etc , I probably wouldn't be a member :)

 
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TLEF316 said:
This season has been weird for me.

Started at like a 21 handicap and after a couple of warmup rounds, I proceeded to fire 6 or 7 rounds in a row in the 89-91 range (after just breaking 90 for the first time last year, and only once). I play mostly from our white tees (about 5800 yards, 125 slope) but even had a couple rounds where one blowup hole cost me a sub 90 round from the blue tees. (about 6400 yards, 135 slope)

So after my hot start to year, i got down to a 17.7 handicap. Then the rough (which is notoriously tough at our course) grew in starting in mid-may and my scores started trickling up again. I started losing control  of my driver, forgetting my chipping fundamentals, etc. Started shooting in the mid 90's more frequently again (even shooting a disastrous 100+ at my dad's course).

But then on Friday, i shot my best round ever (86) despite 4 lipouts and a terrible start to the back 9.   Currently down to a 17.2 (although trending back up with some good rounds from April starting to fall off the calculation)

I definitely need to take a lesson to figure out my driver swing path.  On good days, I leak to the right like 1/2 a fairway width and can adjust. On bad days, i start left and then basically slice across the entire fairway. (with the occasional dead pull OB trying to adjust)   I can get away with that from the whites, (where even a bad drive leaves with with a 7 or 8 in)  but when I move back, a bad driving day just makes it impossible to score well. I'm hitting 5 and 6 irons out of the rough all day, which isn't getting it done with my poor chipping. (I left myself short sided and/or downhill chips all weekend. It sucked)

On the bright side, my putting (at least on my course. I was terrible at my dad's, which has MUCH faster greens) has been consistently decent. My lag putting is much better and I'm doing a better job reading the short ones. Made 2 real nice downhill breakers for birdies on Friday to get me to the 86. New putter has helped.
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Re: driver miss - that's my miss as well, baby fade/drift right, or a big sweeping slice.

took a lesson and helped a ton. basically, my swing path was too upright and i'd get stuck at the bottom, coming out-to-in (i.e. looping).

fix: on your downswing, make sure your LH wrist is pointed toward the sky and your RH elbow is tucked in close to your body. Pro said, "Imagine you're swinging a baseball bat to a ball on a tee, and your want to hit it to right field." basically, in-to-out. felt really weird at the beginning, but after about 10 minutes on the range it came together. push/block/fade is still my miss, but it's much less common and not as severe when i do hit one. unless i flip my hands at contact the dead pull is gone too.

 
Quint said:
Re: driver miss - that's my miss as well, baby fade/drift right, or a big sweeping slice.

took a lesson and helped a ton. basically, my swing path was too upright and i'd get stuck at the bottom, coming out-to-in (i.e. looping).

fix: on your downswing, make sure your LH wrist is pointed toward the sky and your RH elbow is tucked in close to your body. Pro said, "Imagine you're swinging a baseball bat to a ball on a tee, and your want to hit it to right field." basically, in-to-out. felt really weird at the beginning, but after about 10 minutes on the range it came together. push/block/fade is still my miss, but it's much less common and not as severe when i do hit one. unless i flip my hands at contact the dead pull is gone too.
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this guy know his stuff  :)

 
First round in 2 months. Shot 91. Missed 5 foot birdie putt on 18 that slid 3 feet by then missed the comebacker  :bag:

5 out of 6 holes on the back were pars.

 
Quint said:
Re: driver miss - that's my miss as well, baby fade/drift right, or a big sweeping slice.

took a lesson and helped a ton. basically, my swing path was too upright and i'd get stuck at the bottom, coming out-to-in (i.e. looping).

fix: on your downswing, make sure your LH wrist is pointed toward the sky and your RH elbow is tucked in close to your body. Pro said, "Imagine you're swinging a baseball bat to a ball on a tee, and your want to hit it to right field." basically, in-to-out. felt really weird at the beginning, but after about 10 minutes on the range it came together. push/block/fade is still my miss, but it's much less common and not as severe when i do hit one. unless i flip my hands at contact the dead pull is gone too.
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Can I have someone DH for me? 

 
mr roboto said:
How do you guys handle playing as a single?

I don’t have a membership/home course so I play all over. I have really only 1 buddy that plays regularly. I’m a mid-to-high single digit and he’s probably a 10 so we can play pretty quickly. 

When I play with others (get paired up) on some of these public tracks I have bad luck getting paired with people who really don’t play well at all. I don’t mind bad players but sometimes it borders on distracting. And really slow.

I never complain and I also compliment them when they hit a good shot etc but it’s hard for me to enjoy myself. 
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Not to get all real life on you but my college roommate lives by Chaska, plays pretty often, is very nice, and is always looking for playing partners. I think he's currently a 12. 

 
TheIronSheik said:
I tried using my buddy's and my hand shakes too much.  I couldn't get it to focus on anything because of the shakes I never noticed I had before that.
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I used to use a Bushnell range finder but it was a pain locking in at times.  I left it in a cart last year and nobody turned it in.  My daughter bought me a Garmin watch range finder for my birthday and I love it.  Only shows front, middle and back of the green yardage but that works perfect for me.  Just look at my wrist and have yardage I need. Plus I will never lose it.

 
Zow said:
Not to get all real life on you but my college roommate lives by Chaska, plays pretty often, is very nice, and is always looking for playing partners. I think he's currently a 12. 
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Oh, match making!  I’d actually consider. A/S/L

 
Da Guru said:
I used to use a Bushnell range finder but it was a pain locking in at times.  I left it in a cart last year and nobody turned it in.  My daughter bought me a Garmin watch range finder for my birthday and I love it.  Only shows front, middle and back of the green yardage but that works perfect for me.  Just look at my wrist and have yardage I need. Plus I will never lose it.
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I'm the same.  I use the phone app.  And I'll never lose it.  And the yardages are pretty damn accurate.  The one guy in our group has range finders and when we get to a tee, I'll look at my phone and say, "I have 160 to the center."  Then he'll look through his range finders and say, "Actually, I have 163 to the pin."  Then we'll both hit the ball in the sand trap to the right of the green.

Point is, 3 yards isn't the thing messing my scoring up.

 
TheIronSheik said:
I'm the same.  I use the phone app.  And I'll never lose it.  And the yardages are pretty damn accurate.  The one guy in our group has range finders and when we get to a tee, I'll look at my phone and say, "I have 160 to the center."  Then he'll look through his range finders and say, "Actually, I have 163 to the pin."  Then we'll both hit the ball in the sand trap to the right of the green.

Point is, 3 yards isn't the thing messing my scoring up.
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Same here. Free 'swingu' app. Consistently with a yard or 3 of the lasers

 
TheIronSheik said:
I'm the same.  I use the phone app.  And I'll never lose it.  And the yardages are pretty damn accurate.  The one guy in our group has range finders and when we get to a tee, I'll look at my phone and say, "I have 160 to the center."  Then he'll look through his range finders and say, "Actually, I have 163 to the pin."  Then we'll both hit the ball in the sand trap to the right of the green.

Point is, 3 yards isn't the thing messing my scoring up.
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I have the Garmin S20 watch. Front/middle/back from wherever I am. I used to have a handheld GPS but it was annoying to carry around. Battery life on the Garmin is excellent, usually about 25% usage for each round so I can play twice in a day without worrying about it running out of juice. There's a newer version (S60, I think) that one of my friends has but the S20 works great for me. As you said, I just need approximate distances. When I'm good enough to need to know 160 yards vs. 163 yards, then I'll think about a laser.

 
Da Guru said:
I used to use a Bushnell range finder but it was a pain locking in at times.  I left it in a cart last year and nobody turned it in.  My daughter bought me a Garmin watch range finder for my birthday and I love it.  Only shows front, middle and back of the green yardage but that works perfect for me.  Just look at my wrist and have yardage I need. Plus I will never lose it.
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I use a watch also...Garmen Vivoactive...love it.  Never worry about losing it...so convenient and quick...and I've always worn a watch playing anyway.

 
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i used to play all over portland at a wide variety of public courses.   There's not a course within 50 miles i haven't played at least once.

but the course right next to my house was/is one of the better public options and I used to go there most of the time.   However about 8 years ago they had a problem with the head greenskeeper going on medical disability, never replaced him and couldn't fire him.   so for a year plus, the course just turned to crap.   It got so bad i vowed never to play there again unless it was free.  I was really angry at the city and the state for letting one of the most beautiful courses in oregon go crap.   I joined the cheapest country club near me which is a 25-30 minute driver rather than play 2 mins from my front door.   The club i joined was fine, nothing fancy, but the course layout was fantastic and the course itself is fun to play.   They sold it to another couple of people a few years ago, and the new owners have come in and dumped a lot of money into improvements.  Now our course is one of the nicest clubs around, the greens have gone from average to excellent and i only have to pay an extra $30./mo in fees.   Well worth it.   I was nervous about joining a club 8 years ago but it was the best decision in hindsight.   

 
I don't have time to go through the entire thread but has anyone ever dealt with golfer's (tennis) elbow? My elbow hurts 24/7 when I move it but luckily I have a job that doesn't require any lifting or much moving of the arms. I'm hoping on advice for a good brace rather than waste money buying different ones as I've still been golfing and dealing with the pain for the first 3-5 holes until my buzz kicks in.

 
CGRdrJoe said:
I don't have time to go through the entire thread but has anyone ever dealt with golfer's (tennis) elbow? My elbow hurts 24/7 when I move it but luckily I have a job that doesn't require any lifting or much moving of the arms. I'm hoping on advice for a good brace rather than waste money buying different ones as I've still been golfing and dealing with the pain for the first 3-5 holes until my buzz kicks in.
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First where is the pain? Do you know for a fact it's tennis elbow?  Tennis is usually top outside, golfers is bottom/inside

I've dealt with tennis for months

https://www.amazon.com/Zensah-Compression-Tennis-Tendonitis-Golfers/dp/B00EQ2QNZY

 
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Buy some bio freeze.   Deeply massage onto your painful area and knuckle massage the tendon 2/3 times a week.  It will hurt like hell.

Do air alphabets with your finger 3 times a week.  Basically only move your wrist and spell the alphabet with your finger in the air. Get a sleeve brace, love the one I posted.  And one of these TheraBand FlexBar, Tennis Elbow... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000KGOMBC?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

 
CGRdrJoe said:
I don't have time to go through the entire thread but has anyone ever dealt with golfer's (tennis) elbow? My elbow hurts 24/7 when I move it but luckily I have a job that doesn't require any lifting or much moving of the arms. I'm hoping on advice for a good brace rather than waste money buying different ones as I've still been golfing and dealing with the pain for the first 3-5 holes until my buzz kicks in.
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About two to three years ago, I started getting it bad.  My mom played tennis for about 30 years and gave me this weird Ace bandage thing from the 70's.  It wrapped my forearm and looked like it might do as much as the knobs and buttons on a Fisher-Price dashboard.  But I tried it and it worked.  No clue how, but it did.  It broke after a couple uses.  As I said, it was probably 30 to 40 years old, so it was on its last leg.  I ended up buying a similar one online for like $10.  It also looked fake.  But it worked, too.  No clue why squeezing the forearm fixes the issue, but it did.  I haven't had an issue for the past 2 years, but I could not have golfed without that ridiculous thing.  It should have had a tagline on the box that said, "It might just be crazy enough to work!"

 
gump said:
I also had tennis elbow, but got rid of it with this:

https://www.amazon.com/Roleo-Massager-Arthritis-Tissue-Carpal/dp/B005CP4GDA/ref=mp_s_a_1_4?keywords=tennis+elbow+roller&qid=1562629887&s=gateway&sr=8-4

One note is the pain didn’t bother me at all while swinging a golf club...only after.
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Lucky, as mine kills when I extend my arm at point of impact. On the plus side it seems to have improved my game as I'm swinging a little softer and hitting my irons a lot purer than before with only giving up about 10-20 yards.

 
Judge Smails said:
I keep getting stuck and am fighting to get through the ball. Think lower body is too far in front. When my timing is good I’m pure but I just can’t get consistent. Frustrating game. Good news is I’ve improved in all areas of short game pitching/chipping including sand so always have a shot at par but ballstriking woes mean fewer birdie chances and auto low 80’s. Need to find an instructor who can fix me. Willing to start over. 
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I felt the same earlier this year.  I have the occasional 78/79, rare 77, but I'm having trouble consistently breaking 80.  I've also improved my chipping and sand play.  Consistent ball striking is what I need.  Like you, when I'm on time in my swing I hit it long and straight.  My typical iron miss is a slight pull left.  When I'm off my driver is all over the yard. And it changes from round to round.  So I realize my swing isn't consistent.  I feel like my hands come through too strong (right hand rolls strong) through impact and it closes the face a little.  Instead of aiming right and letting it fly, I want to fix the problem so I can be consistent.  I also feel like my hips extend too early on the down swing so the arms have to catch up, essentially doing all the work.  And the club at the top of the back swing tended to be above and off plane causing the dreaded over the top down swing.  Don't do this all them time but it kept creeping into my game.  Frustrating for sure.  I've always had a strong swing (aggressive) but as I near 55 I'm looking to change my swing to use my hips more.  

I've watched a couple of pretty good instructors on youtube (Clay Ballard is one), but I found Russell Heritage to be the best I've seen so far for breaking down the basics of the swing in a detailed way.  Once I started watching his vids I found that I couldn't stop and he has tons of instructional vids.  

A good example of his method of teaching.  This resonated with me and my swing.  

To start from scratch this is a good 5 part series that breaks down all parts of the swing.  Easy to understand and replicate.   The other parts should be to the right in the series.

This is a new video showing a simple exercise to train your mind/body to be in good position to strike your irons at impact.  I found it very helpful and something you can do at home or the range before taking full swings.  

May not help good golfers who already have good mechanics but for beginners and those of us (mid handicappers) that are looking to change our inconsistent swing, I recommend Russell.  

 
Jayrok said:
I felt the same earlier this year.  I have the occasional 78/79, rare 77, but I'm having trouble consistently breaking 80.  I've also improved my chipping and sand play.  Consistent ball striking is what I need.  Like you, when I'm on time in my swing I hit it long and straight.  My typical iron miss is a slight pull left.  When I'm off my driver is all over the yard. And it changes from round to round.  So I realize my swing isn't consistent.  I feel like my hands come through too strong (right hand rolls strong) through impact and it closes the face a little.  Instead of aiming right and letting it fly, I want to fix the problem so I can be consistent.  I also feel like my hips extend too early on the down swing so the arms have to catch up, essentially doing all the work.  And the club at the top of the back swing tended to be above and off plane causing the dreaded over the top down swing.  Don't do this all them time but it kept creeping into my game.  Frustrating for sure.  I've always had a strong swing (aggressive) but as I near 55 I'm looking to change my swing to use my hips more.  

I've watched a couple of pretty good instructors on youtube (Clay Ballard is one), but I found Russell Heritage to be the best I've seen so far for breaking down the basics of the swing in a detailed way.  Once I started watching his vids I found that I couldn't stop and he has tons of instructional vids.  

A good example of his method of teaching.  This resonated with me and my swing.  

To start from scratch this is a good 5 part series that breaks down all parts of the swing.  Easy to understand and replicate.   The other parts should be to the right in the series.

This is a new video showing a simple exercise to train your mind/body to be in good position to strike your irons at impact.  I found it very helpful and something you can do at home or the range before taking full swings.  

May not help good golfers who already have good mechanics but for beginners and those of us (mid handicappers) that are looking to change our inconsistent swing, I recommend Russell.  
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Awesome - thanks for this!

 
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