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kupcho1
Footballguy
Robo-umps can't arrive soon enough.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Never seen that called for what the 3rd baseman did on the play.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Nope me neither
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
The way you explain it is, if the ball gets cut from the first baseman, you have to be there to make a play. And [third-base umpire Tripp Gibson] felt that I wasn't far enough away," Muncy said. "He felt that I was purposely doing it, and he felt that I made a conscious effort to stand in the way. Every third baseman in the league does that. Never seen it called, and it was actually called twice tonight."
Apparently the same ump made the same call against the Mets last night
Apparently the same ump made the same call against the Mets last night
ChiefD
Footballguy
Did the ump have money on the game? What the hell.
By rule it could be the right call but everyone does it and it never gets called. In this case you can see Muncy purposely move in the line of site and he also got in the way of the umpires line of site so it made it obvious what he was doing.
I am shocked it was called since every 3B usually does this to some degree
General Malaise
Footballguy
Marcello Mayer got the call-up? Starting the 2nd of a DH today. Might as well against Balt pitching and defense.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
It looks like it will replace Tom Seaver for Doug Flynn/Pat Zachary/Steve Henderson.
Harry Frogfish
Footballguy
That didn't work out and Baltimore actually cut into their super high run diff of -92. Three other dwellers reside in the 70s (Pitt, Chisox, A's). Then it's another big drop to the low 50s, and there's only 3 in that tier before a 4th big gap.
Sitting high atop of this heap however, are the Rockies, with a whopping -173 run differential. Amazing.
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Even more amazing is if they maintain their current pace they will finish with a record of 27-135.
General Malaise
Footballguy
And MLB wants to expand? Good lord, what will this look like?
Maik Jeaunz
Footballguy
the ump was misinterpreting the obstruction rule. obstruction is when a player impedes a baserunner's progress. line of sight is not a condition of the rule.
bryhamm
Footballguy
I do not think this is true. I did not know that this was part of the rule, but saw a video of a former MLB player that referenced this.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I read somewhere after this happened with Muncy that it is a rule but it’s never called but that was more than 10 minutes ago so I forget where it was
irish eyes
Footballguy
Paul Skenes throwing a 4 hit shutout in the 7th cruising along with 2 outs. Of course they take him out. Pirates are one sorry *** organization. But most teams do that now so
General Malaise
Footballguy
How are they going to trade him if he's hurt?
irish eyes
Footballguy
Good point
-fish-
Footballguy
They were up 8-0. no reason to risk injury.
He is a true horse……but even my old school *** pulls him with an 8-0 lead.
If it’s a 5 run or less lead he is going longer.
kupcho1
Footballguy
The Pirates aren't going to have him long term, so use him while you have him. They're not exactly awash in wins.
General Malaise
Footballguy
The trade packages they can get for him will be insane, but they'll mess that up too, like they always do.
-fish-
Footballguy
If it was a no-hitter or perfect game, sure. Keep him in. There was literally no reason for him to finish the game. Complete games aren't really a thing anymore.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Oh man...
It's been nearly six years since the Pittsburgh Pirates traded Gerrit Cole to the Houston Astros. Let's take a look back at the trade and what has since transpired for the players involved.
On January 13th, 2018, the Pittsburgh Pirates traded Gerrit Cole to the then reigning World Series Champion Houston Astros. In exchange for Cole, the Pirates received relief pitcher Michael Feliz, outfielder Jason Martin, third baseman Colin Moran, and starting pitcher Joe Musgrove.
Feliz struggled in the Pirates' bullpen in 2018 with an ERA of 5.66. In 2019, he started to show why he was a part of the trade, with a 3.99 ERA in 56.1 innings. In 2020, which was the pandemic-shortened season, he pitched 1.2 innings before getting hurt and missing the remainder of the season. In 2021, he pitched in 7.2 solid innings with the Pirates, posting a 2.35 ERA, before getting designated for assignment, and picked up by division rival Cincinnati Reds.
Afterward, he was cut and then signed by the Red Sox and then claimed off waivers by the Athletics. In 2022, he struggled to get MLB time, only pitching 3.1 innings with the Red Sox while with the Twins and Red Sox in the minors. In 2023, he played for the Yankee Triple-A team before getting cut. He has since signed with the Chunichi Dragons of the NPB.
Martin was an outfielder who never got much of a shot in the majors, playing in just 27 games with the Pirates and going 9-45 with 2 RBIs. After the 2020 season, he was granted free agency and signed with the Texas Rangers, who played him in 58 games in 2021.
During that time, he hit 6 home runs and recorded 17 RBIs but struggled with a .208 average and didn't walk enough to make up for the low average. In 2022, with the Dodgers' Triple-A team, he played 129 games and hit 32 home runs with 107 RBIs. While batting .285 and walking 68 times for an on-base percentage of .374. In 2023, he signed with the NC Dinos of the KBO.
In the KBO, he has shown that he can dominate pitchers, hitting 14 home runs with 69 RBIs in 87 games. While batting .301 with an on-base percentage of .378, he has been nothing but impressive. At age 28, an MLB comeback could be possible.
Moran was the second-biggest piece of this trade behind Musgrove. In his four seasons with the Pirates, he hit 10+ home runs a season but never exceptional. He was below-average defensively and was at best a league-average hitter his whole career in Pittsburgh.
Moran played 444 games with the Pirates and had 44 home runs with 211 RBIs. His .269 average and .331 on-base percentage were good, but the Pirates decided to move on from him in favor of Michael Chavis. In 2022, he played with the division-rival Cincinnati Reds but didn't play a full season with them, going up and down in the majors while disappointing with a .211 average.
In 2023, he signed with the Triple-A affiliate of the Mariners before opting out of his contract. Moran still has yet to find another team to sign with since July 10th.
Musgrove was the key piece of this trade, and while he wasn't overly dominant with the Pirates, it was mostly due to the pitching coach and defense. While he showed so much potential, he was never able to show his dominance with the Pirates.
After getting traded to the Padres, he threw two complete game shutouts, including the first no-hitter in Padres history. Since getting traded, he signed a 5-year/$100 million contract with them, turning his career around and becoming an All-Star in 2022, showing hitters why he was once a top prospect and a key trade piece in the Cole trade.
While the Musgrove trade may prove to be a vital trade in helping to get the Pirates back to competitiveness, that's a story for another day. The Mets received Joey Lucchesi from the Padres, the Pirates received Omar Cruz, Drake Fellows, Hudson Head, and David Bednar from the Padres, and the Mets traded Endy Rodriguez to the Pirates.
It's been nearly six years since the Pittsburgh Pirates traded Gerrit Cole to the Houston Astros. Let's take a look back at the trade and what has since transpired for the players involved.
On January 13th, 2018, the Pittsburgh Pirates traded Gerrit Cole to the then reigning World Series Champion Houston Astros. In exchange for Cole, the Pirates received relief pitcher Michael Feliz, outfielder Jason Martin, third baseman Colin Moran, and starting pitcher Joe Musgrove.
Feliz struggled in the Pirates' bullpen in 2018 with an ERA of 5.66. In 2019, he started to show why he was a part of the trade, with a 3.99 ERA in 56.1 innings. In 2020, which was the pandemic-shortened season, he pitched 1.2 innings before getting hurt and missing the remainder of the season. In 2021, he pitched in 7.2 solid innings with the Pirates, posting a 2.35 ERA, before getting designated for assignment, and picked up by division rival Cincinnati Reds.
Afterward, he was cut and then signed by the Red Sox and then claimed off waivers by the Athletics. In 2022, he struggled to get MLB time, only pitching 3.1 innings with the Red Sox while with the Twins and Red Sox in the minors. In 2023, he played for the Yankee Triple-A team before getting cut. He has since signed with the Chunichi Dragons of the NPB.
Martin was an outfielder who never got much of a shot in the majors, playing in just 27 games with the Pirates and going 9-45 with 2 RBIs. After the 2020 season, he was granted free agency and signed with the Texas Rangers, who played him in 58 games in 2021.
During that time, he hit 6 home runs and recorded 17 RBIs but struggled with a .208 average and didn't walk enough to make up for the low average. In 2022, with the Dodgers' Triple-A team, he played 129 games and hit 32 home runs with 107 RBIs. While batting .285 and walking 68 times for an on-base percentage of .374. In 2023, he signed with the NC Dinos of the KBO.
In the KBO, he has shown that he can dominate pitchers, hitting 14 home runs with 69 RBIs in 87 games. While batting .301 with an on-base percentage of .378, he has been nothing but impressive. At age 28, an MLB comeback could be possible.
Moran was the second-biggest piece of this trade behind Musgrove. In his four seasons with the Pirates, he hit 10+ home runs a season but never exceptional. He was below-average defensively and was at best a league-average hitter his whole career in Pittsburgh.
Moran played 444 games with the Pirates and had 44 home runs with 211 RBIs. His .269 average and .331 on-base percentage were good, but the Pirates decided to move on from him in favor of Michael Chavis. In 2022, he played with the division-rival Cincinnati Reds but didn't play a full season with them, going up and down in the majors while disappointing with a .211 average.
In 2023, he signed with the Triple-A affiliate of the Mariners before opting out of his contract. Moran still has yet to find another team to sign with since July 10th.
Musgrove was the key piece of this trade, and while he wasn't overly dominant with the Pirates, it was mostly due to the pitching coach and defense. While he showed so much potential, he was never able to show his dominance with the Pirates.
After getting traded to the Padres, he threw two complete game shutouts, including the first no-hitter in Padres history. Since getting traded, he signed a 5-year/$100 million contract with them, turning his career around and becoming an All-Star in 2022, showing hitters why he was once a top prospect and a key trade piece in the Cole trade.
While the Musgrove trade may prove to be a vital trade in helping to get the Pirates back to competitiveness, that's a story for another day. The Mets received Joey Lucchesi from the Padres, the Pirates received Omar Cruz, Drake Fellows, Hudson Head, and David Bednar from the Padres, and the Mets traded Endy Rodriguez to the Pirates.
Eephus
Footballguy
The Pirates traded Cole away with two years of team control remaining. He was coming off of a mediocre season by his standards so his trade value wasn't as high as you'd assume today. He made the leap after being traded to Houston improving in virtually every pitching metric.
I don't think the idea of trading an arbitration eligible pitcher for prospects is inherently flawed but in retrospect, it was a bad trade for Pittsburgh because nobody really panned out for them.
I don't think the idea of trading an arbitration eligible pitcher for prospects is inherently flawed but in retrospect, it was a bad trade for Pittsburgh because nobody really panned out for them.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Has any trade ever worked out for the Pirates? And by this, I mean trading away blossoming stars for prospects?
Eephus
Footballguy
Getting Bryan Reynolds for one year of Cutch worked out better for the Bucs than for SF.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Brian Giles for Ricardo Rincon was an excellent trade.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
I think that is slightly balanced out by the Giants getting Jason Schmidt from the Pirates for Armando Rios and Ryan Vogelsang.
Not to pile on, but the Cubs receiving Aramis Ramirez and Kenny Lofton for Bobby Hill is borderline criminal. Lofton was the "grit" the Cubs needed in 2003, and they don't win without him.
Eephus
Footballguy
The best trade the Pirates ever made was when Pittsburgh acquired Honus Wagner, Fred Clarke and Rube Waddell from the Louisville Colonels in 1899 for Jack Chesboro and some nobodies.
General Malaise
Footballguy
The best trade the Pirates ever made was when Pittsburgh acquired Honus Wagner, Fred Clarke and Rube Waddell from the Louisville Colonels in 1899 for Jack Chesboro and some nobodies.
Forgot about that one. I remember the newspaper boy screaming about it by the livery and wondering what he was carrying on about.
Eephus
Footballguy
The best trade the Pirates ever made was when Pittsburgh acquired Honus Wagner, Fred Clarke and Rube Waddell from the Louisville Colonels in 1899 for Jack Chesboro and some nobodies.
Forgot about that one. I remember the newspaper boy screaming about it by the livery and wondering what he was carrying on about.
Hey, that's my schtick
Eephus
Footballguy
That's the Mets
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
The Mets are. For like 10 more years I believe
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
60 day IL
-fish-
Footballguy
Right, but I'm wondering if they think he's not coming back. That vague "forearm/elbow" injury sure seems to turn into Tommy John surgery with some frequency.
-fish-
Footballguy
Thanks. Now I remember. I always associate Bonilla with the Pirates. I can't even remember him playing for the Dodgers.
Eephus
Footballguy
Different times of course but the best players from those good late 80s Pirates teams (Bonds, Bonilla, Van Slyke, Drabek) all left as free agents.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Chesboro could play, man.The best trade the Pirates ever made was when Pittsburgh acquired Honus Wagner, Fred Clarke and Rube Waddell from the Louisville Colonels in 1899 for Jack Chesboro and some nobodies.
rockaction
Footballguy
So odd about Minnesota and the Pohlads selling the Twins. It got me thinking (which means I’m either in trouble or about to say dumb ****). I turned to somebody without knowing the details and said that investing 1.7 billion dollars in outdoor baseball in Minnesota seemed like a shaky investment, even though I’m cognizant of the truism that the values of pro sports teams almost never drop.
Then I read a bit about the possible work stoppage upcoming in 2026 (?) and further into the article I see a $425 million debt owed, and I felt slightly vindicated, but not really. If I’m really showing my math I’m just shorting baseball as a whole. I have a sinking feeling and I don’t believe or think Major League Baseball will continue to be a professional sports league that makes money. I don’t see anything good coming post-2040 and I most definitely see bad things after 2055. I know I probably shouldn’t bet against it, can anybody talk me down here?
Then I read a bit about the possible work stoppage upcoming in 2026 (?) and further into the article I see a $425 million debt owed, and I felt slightly vindicated, but not really. If I’m really showing my math I’m just shorting baseball as a whole. I have a sinking feeling and I don’t believe or think Major League Baseball will continue to be a professional sports league that makes money. I don’t see anything good coming post-2040 and I most definitely see bad things after 2055. I know I probably shouldn’t bet against it, can anybody talk me down here?
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STBootleg
Footballguy
The Orioles are still paying him as well.
$500,000 a year from 2004-28
"Bonilla's deferred salary with the Mets is the most famous July 1 payment in baseball, hands down, but it is not the only July 1 payment in the game. In fact, Bonilla has a second deferred salary agreement with the Baltimore Orioles, who still owe him $500,000 a year from 2004-28. July 1 is a good day in the Bonilla household."
Chandler Simpson gets sent to Triple A. He is hitting .285 with 19 SB's, 17 Runs and only 14K's in 123 AB's. He is not a power hitter but he brings a ton of other things to the table. I saw one outlet say much of the reason is that since he doesn't hit HR's he needs to play better defense to justify his spot in the lineup. So getting on base and in scoring position and scoring runs isn't valuable? This makes no sense.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Guessing this is because Jake Mangum is back and ready for action? Feels like if there's one team that understands the importance of getting on base and stealing bags it's the power-deficient Rays.
I mean that is the transaction aspect but Simpson played well enough to keep his spot and be in the lineup. He brings something nobody else brings.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Doesn't Mangum bring the same set of skills offensively but an upgrade defensively? Where is Tampa Capella when we need him?
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