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[Gally]

Cease threw a no hitter.

He didn’t throw more than 100 pitches did he?????

Apparently they were thinking about pulling him because he was indeed over 100.

Most of these pitchers that get pulled during a no hitter are young pitchers that haven't pitched that much or they were at 100 pitches with 2 or 3 innings left. No one in their right mind is leaving someone out there for 130 or more pitches just for a no hitter, especially not a young pitcher.

Why is the magic # 100?
Why not 120? Or 87? Or 92?

100 isn't some magic number it just typically coincides with the third/4th time through the lineup. Analytics says that pitchers really struggle the 3rd/4th time through the lineup so that is the biggest reason most pitchers get pulled around 100 pitches. It's then just an easy number for people to fixate on as to why that is a magic number. It's nothing more than times through the lineup in most instances.

And if a pitcher is at 100 pitches in the 3rd inning then he likely isn't doing well anyway so taking him out is probably a good thing to do regardless of the number.

I have said this story before in this thread but there is an interesting interview with Schilling about pitch count. He essentially stated that pitch counts aren't created equal and there were games he through 150 pitches and was barely winded while there were others that he was completely gassed at 50 pitches. The key was the stress of the pitch and game situation. Do you have to muscle up for a big situation repeatedly early or are you cruising with nobody on base with a big lead where you can just go after batters without high stress. That is more the difference for when pitch count matters.

 

[Gally]

Cease threw a no hitter.

He didn’t throw more than 100 pitches did he?????

Apparently they were thinking about pulling him because he was indeed over 100.

He was at 94 pitches thru 7 then came out in the 8th with a 9 pitch inning to take him to 103. Finished the 9th on an 11 pitch inning for a total of 114. Totally reasonable.

 

[msudaisy26]

Cease threw a no hitter.

He didn’t throw more than 100 pitches did he?????

Apparently they were thinking about pulling him because he was indeed over 100.

Most of these pitchers that get pulled during a no hitter are young pitchers that haven't pitched that much or they were at 100 pitches with 2 or 3 innings left. No one in their right mind is leaving someone out there for 130 or more pitches just for a no hitter, especially not a young pitcher.

Having an "arbitrary" number like say 100 as a hard stop makes no sense. He had previously thrown over 100.

One of the pitchers was at 93 and that was a career high. Skenes is a rookie that looks like he be the best pitcher in baseball. Why risk it this year right now?

 

[BeTheMatch]

Cease threw a no hitter.

He didn’t throw more than 100 pitches did he?????

Apparently they were thinking about pulling him because he was indeed over 100.

Most of these pitchers that get pulled during a no hitter are young pitchers that haven't pitched that much or they were at 100 pitches with 2 or 3 innings left. No one in their right mind is leaving someone out there for 130 or more pitches just for a no hitter, especially not a young pitcher.

Why is the magic # 100?
Why not 120? Or 87? Or 92?

100 isn't some magic number it just typically coincides with the third/4th time through the lineup. Analytics says that pitchers really struggle the 3rd/4th time through the lineup so that is the biggest reason most pitchers get pulled around 100 pitches. It's then just an easy number for people to fixate on as to why that is a magic number. It's nothing more than times through the lineup in most instances.

And if a pitcher is at 100 pitches in the 3rd inning then he likely isn't doing well anyway so taking him out is probably a good thing to do regardless of the number.

I have said this story before in this thread but there is an interesting interview with Schilling about pitch count. He essentially stated that pitch counts aren't created equal and there were games he through 150 pitches and was barely winded while there were others that he was completely gassed at 50 pitches. The key was the stress of the pitch and game situation. Do you have to muscle up for a big situation repeatedly early or are you cruising with nobody on base with a big lead where you can just go after batters without high stress. That is more the difference for when pitch count matters.

Yes, in some cases that's the reason. There are many, many other cases where it's purely to prevent injury regardless of game situation. In all of those cases, it is a completely arbitrary (nice round) number used by many managers and organizations to prevent overuse injuries.

 

[Gally]

it is a completely arbitrary (nice round) number used by many managers and organizations to prevent overuse injuries.

When it is used in that manner, you are correct. Although, I don't know how you can differentiate between it being analytics driven (3rd/4th time through lineup) vs arbitrary since at about 100 pitches you are going through the lineup for the 3rd or 4th time.

It is also kind of a chicken and egg thing with regards to overuse. If a player is always pulled at 80-100 pitches they aren't conditioned to go much more than that regardless. So there is merit to the overuse side of things but it is mostly brought on because they are never gradually stretched out to do much more than that.

Again, the tell tale sign a pitcher is tired/overused is if his mechanics start to suffer. That was what I looked at most for my pitchers. That could happen at 30 pitches or 110 pitches or not at all. It also depends on how a pitcher approaches his pitching. Is he a max effort guy on every pitch trying to ramp up velo or is he a change of speed guys that always leaves something in the tank so he can go up or down in velocity? The former will tire much quicker than the latter and likely can't go much over 80 pitches.

This dilemma is very complex and is much of chicken/egg thing.

 

[3C's]

Cease threw a no hitter.

He didn’t throw more than 100 pitches did he?????

Apparently they were thinking about pulling him because he was indeed over 100.

Most of these pitchers that get pulled during a no hitter are young pitchers that haven't pitched that much or they were at 100 pitches with 2 or 3 innings left. No one in their right mind is leaving someone out there for 130 or more pitches just for a no hitter, especially not a young pitcher.

Having an "arbitrary" number like say 100 as a hard stop makes no sense. He had previously thrown over 100.

One of the pitchers was at 93 and that was a career high. Skenes is a rookie that looks like he be the best pitcher in baseball. Why risk it this year right now?

Skenes has been over 100 many times, just not as a pro (until recently).

2023 at LSU

Date	Pitches	Opponent
May 18	116	Georgia
May 25	88	Arkansas (SEC Tournament)
June 2	124	Tulane (NCAA regional)
June 10	101	Kentucky (NCAA super regional)
June 17	123	Tennessee (College World Series)
June 22	120	Wake Forest (College World Series)

 

[Gally]

Skenes has been over 100 many times, just not as a pro (until recently).

But if he is not ramped up for this year then those previous situation are irrelevant. I am not saying he isn't ramped up but just saying he has done that before isn't necessarily relevant. If you look at all those times you referenced they are at the end of his season where he was conditioned to have that kind of usage. They weren't in February and March when he was building up (again not saying he isn't conditioned enough to go 100+ now). Just adding some context here.

Skenes is a different beast. His mechanics are very good and he doesn't use max effort to achieve his velocity. I have no doubt he is conditioned and could go 130 pitches without an issue right now. I do think he is babied a bit but I can't really blame the Pirates for doing so. He is their meal ticket. In the no hit bids he has had this year it would have taken him 140+ to complete the first one with average pitch per inning numbers and the second one likely would have been in the 130+ pitch range. I am not saying he couldn't do it or it would wreck him but there was no reason to push it right now.

 

[msudaisy26]

Cease threw a no hitter.

He didn’t throw more than 100 pitches did he?????

Apparently they were thinking about pulling him because he was indeed over 100.

Most of these pitchers that get pulled during a no hitter are young pitchers that haven't pitched that much or they were at 100 pitches with 2 or 3 innings left. No one in their right mind is leaving someone out there for 130 or more pitches just for a no hitter, especially not a young pitcher.

Having an "arbitrary" number like say 100 as a hard stop makes no sense. He had previously thrown over 100.

One of the pitchers was at 93 and that was a career high. Skenes is a rookie that looks like he be the best pitcher in baseball. Why risk it this year right now?

Skenes has been over 100 many times, just not as a pro (until recently).

2023 at LSU

Date	Pitches	Opponent
May 18	116	Georgia
May 25	88	Arkansas (SEC Tournament)
June 2	124	Tulane (NCAA regional)
June 10	101	Kentucky (NCAA super regional)
June 17	123	Tennessee (College World Series)
June 22	120	Wake Forest (College World Series)

College is different than the MLB and I was talking about Ben Brown. Skenes was a second example and he had 99 pitches.

 

[Gally]

College is different than the MLB and I was talking about Ben Brown. Skenes was a second example and he had 99 pitches.

In the context of this discussion how is college different than the MLB? We are talking about conditioning and ability to go deep into games. Playing at a top level D1 school is still stressing the pitcher and putting him in high pressure situations leading to stressful pitches and high pitch counts. MLB is no different in that regard. I am not sure what you are trying to conclude regarding the difference in this context

 

[msudaisy26]

College is different than the MLB and I was talking about Ben Brown. Skenes was a second example and he had 99 pitches.

In the context of this discussion how is college different than the MLB? We are talking about conditioning and ability to go deep into games. Playing at a top level D1 school is still stressing the pitcher and putting him in high pressure situations leading to stressful pitches and high pitch counts. MLB is no different in that regard. I am not sure what you are trying to conclude regarding the difference in this context

The players aren't as good. There is still stress, but not nearly as much. Plus the amount of games played, how often they are played, and the time of year they are played. It is why most rookies hit the wall.

 

[Gally]

College is different than the MLB and I was talking about Ben Brown. Skenes was a second example and he had 99 pitches.

In the context of this discussion how is college different than the MLB? We are talking about conditioning and ability to go deep into games. Playing at a top level D1 school is still stressing the pitcher and putting him in high pressure situations leading to stressful pitches and high pitch counts. MLB is no different in that regard. I am not sure what you are trying to conclude regarding the difference in this context

The players aren't as good. There is still stress, but not nearly as much. Plus the amount of games played, how often they are played, and the time of year they are played. It is why most rookies hit the wall.

I would say that is more applicable to position players. Pitchers at both levels still pitch essentially once a week. Not much different in week to week usage as opposed to position players now playing 5-7 games a week as opposed to a weekend series.

Although the players aren't as good every game matters a ton more in college than it does in MLB regular season. The stress at a top D1 school in conference play/CWS will dwarf a mid June MLB game between two 4th place teams. Stressful pitching situations take a lot more out of you then just a hum drum middle of the summer MLB game

 

[msudaisy26]

College is different than the MLB and I was talking about Ben Brown. Skenes was a second example and he had 99 pitches.

In the context of this discussion how is college different than the MLB? We are talking about conditioning and ability to go deep into games. Playing at a top level D1 school is still stressing the pitcher and putting him in high pressure situations leading to stressful pitches and high pitch counts. MLB is no different in that regard. I am not sure what you are trying to conclude regarding the difference in this context

The players aren't as good. There is still stress, but not nearly as much. Plus the amount of games played, how often they are played, and the time of year they are played. It is why most rookies hit the wall.

I would say that is more applicable to position players. Pitchers at both levels still pitch essentially once a week. Not much different in week to week usage as opposed to position players now playing 5-7 games a week as opposed to a weekend series.

Although the players aren't as good every game matters a ton more in college than it does in MLB regular season. The stress at a top D1 school in conference play/CWS will dwarf a mid June MLB game between two 4th place teams. Stressful pitching situations take a lot more out of you then just a hum drum middle of the summer MLB game

That is fair, but still seems reckless to to put Skenes back out there at 99 pitches as a rookie when he hasn't thrown over 100 in about a year.

 

[3C's]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

 

[msudaisy26]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

Okay

 

[Gally]

College is different than the MLB and I was talking about Ben Brown. Skenes was a second example and he had 99 pitches.

In the context of this discussion how is college different than the MLB? We are talking about conditioning and ability to go deep into games. Playing at a top level D1 school is still stressing the pitcher and putting him in high pressure situations leading to stressful pitches and high pitch counts. MLB is no different in that regard. I am not sure what you are trying to conclude regarding the difference in this context

The players aren't as good. There is still stress, but not nearly as much. Plus the amount of games played, how often they are played, and the time of year they are played. It is why most rookies hit the wall.

I would say that is more applicable to position players. Pitchers at both levels still pitch essentially once a week. Not much different in week to week usage as opposed to position players now playing 5-7 games a week as opposed to a weekend series.

Although the players aren't as good every game matters a ton more in college than it does in MLB regular season. The stress at a top D1 school in conference play/CWS will dwarf a mid June MLB game between two 4th place teams. Stressful pitching situations take a lot more out of you then just a hum drum middle of the summer MLB game

That is fair, but still seems reckless to to put Skenes back out there at 99 pitches as a rookie when he hasn't thrown over 100 in about a year.

Reckless isn't correct. Skenes is built to throw. His mechanics are great. He has the frame to support his mechanics and he doesn't need max effort stressing every fiber of his being to throw 100+. Depends on the game situations, stress of the games, did he just have a 30+ pitch inning, are his mechanics faltering? Many factors on whether or not he could go another inning at 99 pitches. Was it his first outing of the year? Has he built up his stamina/arm strength for the year?

Just arbitrarily saying it's reckless to throw more than 99 pitches with no context (even when he hasn't thrown over 100 pitches in a year - which the statement by itself is meaningless) is arbitrary and not an accurate statement.

 

[Capella]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

 

[msudaisy26]

College is different than the MLB and I was talking about Ben Brown. Skenes was a second example and he had 99 pitches.

In the context of this discussion how is college different than the MLB? We are talking about conditioning and ability to go deep into games. Playing at a top level D1 school is still stressing the pitcher and putting him in high pressure situations leading to stressful pitches and high pitch counts. MLB is no different in that regard. I am not sure what you are trying to conclude regarding the difference in this context

The players aren't as good. There is still stress, but not nearly as much. Plus the amount of games played, how often they are played, and the time of year they are played. It is why most rookies hit the wall.

I would say that is more applicable to position players. Pitchers at both levels still pitch essentially once a week. Not much different in week to week usage as opposed to position players now playing 5-7 games a week as opposed to a weekend series.

Although the players aren't as good every game matters a ton more in college than it does in MLB regular season. The stress at a top D1 school in conference play/CWS will dwarf a mid June MLB game between two 4th place teams. Stressful pitching situations take a lot more out of you then just a hum drum middle of the summer MLB game

That is fair, but still seems reckless to to put Skenes back out there at 99 pitches as a rookie when he hasn't thrown over 100 in about a year.

Reckless isn't correct. Skenes is built to throw. His mechanics are great. He has the frame to support his mechanics and he doesn't need max effort stressing every fiber of his being to throw 100+. Depends on the game situations, stress of the games, did he just have a 30+ pitch inning, are his mechanics faltering? Many factors on whether or not he could go another inning at 99 pitches. Was it his first outing of the year? Has he built up his stamina/arm strength for the year?

Just arbitrarily saying it's reckless to throw more than 99 pitches with no context (even when he hasn't thrown over 100 pitches in a year - which the statement by itself is meaningless) is arbitrary and not an accurate statement.

We are arguing semantics now, over what word to use. The point is, it isn't smart. You have an electric arm like Skenes at 22 years old, who hasn't thrown over 100 pitches in a game in like a year and has already pitched more this year than he ever has in his life and he still has 10 to 12 more starts this year. There is no need to push it this early in his career.

 

[msudaisy26]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

Exactly.

 

[Gally]

has already pitched more this year than he ever has in his life

This is incorrect. He threw more innings last year than he has this year thus far.

 

[msudaisy26]

has already pitched more this year than he ever has in his life

This is incorrect. He threw more innings last year than he has this year thus far.

Between triple A and the majors, I am seeing 23 starts and 136.2 innings. Last year at LSU I am seeing 19 starts 122.2 innings. Maybe the site I am using is incorrect.

 

[falguy]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

Well, they could certainly beat the Jays! They couldn't hit D3 pitching

 

[3C's]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

 

[General Malaise]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

 

[3C's]

has already pitched more this year than he ever has in his life

This is incorrect. He threw more innings last year than he has this year thus far.

Between triple A and the majors, I am seeing 23 starts and 136.2 innings. Last year at LSU I am seeing 19 starts 122.2 innings. Maybe the site I am using is incorrect.

Could be that you're including his pro starts from last year. Which if added to his LSU starts/innings would total 128.4 innings in 2023, while so far in 2024 he has 101.3.

 

[3C's]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

How does who you're facing affect the ability to throw more or less pitches? And if you take the time to look at the list of 100+ pitches there were no Central Florida's there. These were conference and CWS type games.

 

[msudaisy26]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

How does who you're facing affect the ability to throw more or less pitches? And if you take the time to look at the list of 100+ pitches there were no Central Florida's there. These were conference and CWS type games.

Are you serious? You don't think who you are pitching to affects if you throw more or less pitches?

 

[Dickies]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

How does who you're facing affect the ability to throw more or less pitches? And if you take the time to look at the list of 100+ pitches there were no Central Florida's there. These were conference and CWS type games.

Let's not besmirch the quality of college baseball by comparing them to the Chicago White Sox

 

[msudaisy26]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

There is more at stake, it isn't more stressful.

 

[3C's]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

How does who you're facing affect the ability to throw more or less pitches? And if you take the time to look at the list of 100+ pitches there were no Central Florida's there. These were conference and CWS type games.

Let's not besmirch the quality of college baseball by comparing them to the Chicago White Sox

I would never. It makes @urbanhack sad and we don't want that.

 

[3C's]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

There is more at stake, it isn't more stressful.

To quote someone above

Okay

 

[General Malaise]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

How does who you're facing affect the ability to throw more or less pitches? And if you take the time to look at the list of 100+ pitches there were no Central Florida's there. These were conference and CWS type games.

Can't tell if serious. Seriously.

 

[msudaisy26]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

There is more at stake, it isn't more stressful.

To quote someone above

Okay

What??? I can do it too

 

[3C's]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

There is more at stake, it isn't more stressful.

To quote someone above

Okay

What??? I can do it too

Okay

 

[3C's]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

How does who you're facing affect the ability to throw more or less pitches? And if you take the time to look at the list of 100+ pitches there were no Central Florida's there. These were conference and CWS type games.

Can't tell if serious. Seriously.

Unless you want to provide a point I'll continue to ignore your comments. Seriously.

 

[Gally]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

There is more at stake, it isn't more stressful.

There is not more at stake for a June MLB game between two teams that are down in the standings and aren't going anywhere this year than a team battling to stay alive in the CWS or make it to the CWS.

I can guarantee if you asked Skenes whether there was more at stake on his LSU run to winning the CWS down the stretch or his start against Detroit on a random day in May or June he would say the LSU run 100 times out of 100.

 

[Capella]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Under no circumstances is that a higher level of stress than trying to get out major league hitters. Are you being serious or kidding around?

 

[Capella]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

How does who you're facing affect the ability to throw more or less pitches? And if you take the time to look at the list of 100+ pitches there were no Central Florida's there. These were conference and CWS type games.

Can't tell if serious. Seriously.

Yea one of the wilder things I’ve ever seen here. Every MLB hitter is good. Every college team, even the great one, has multiple future non-pros and even the pro caliber guys won’t be there for years.

 

[Gally]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

How does who you're facing affect the ability to throw more or less pitches? And if you take the time to look at the list of 100+ pitches there were no Central Florida's there. These were conference and CWS type games.

Are you serious? You don't think who you are pitching to affects if you throw more or less pitches?

The conversation is surrounding whether or not a pitcher can physically throw a certain number of pitches. That doesn't change with the quality of the team you are playing. The quality will come into play on whether those same X pitches gets you 4 innings or 9 innings though.

 

[Gally]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Under no circumstances is that a higher level of stress than trying to get out major league hitters. Are you being serious or kidding around?

So the stress of a win or go home game is less than the stress of a game between two teams out of the playoffs in mid June? I think we can agree to disagree on that point.

 

[msudaisy26]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

There is more at stake, it isn't more stressful.

There is not more at stake for a June MLB game between two teams that are down in the standings and aren't going anywhere this year than a team battling to stay alive in the CWS or make it to the CWS.

I can guarantee if you asked Skenes whether there was more at stake on his LSU run to winning the CWS down the stretch or his start against Detroit on a random day in May or June he would say the LSU run 100 times out of 100.

That is what I said.

 

[3C's]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

How does who you're facing affect the ability to throw more or less pitches? And if you take the time to look at the list of 100+ pitches there were no Central Florida's there. These were conference and CWS type games.

Can't tell if serious. Seriously.

Yea one of the wilder things I’ve ever seen here. Every MLB hitter is good. Every college team, even the great one, has multiple future non-pros and even the pro caliber guys won’t be there for years.

FFS, the quality of batter makes no difference in the amount of effort to throw X number of the same type of pitches.

 

[msudaisy26]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

How does who you're facing affect the ability to throw more or less pitches? And if you take the time to look at the list of 100+ pitches there were no Central Florida's there. These were conference and CWS type games.

Can't tell if serious. Seriously.

Yea one of the wilder things I’ve ever seen here. Every MLB hitter is good. Every college team, even the great one, has multiple future non-pros and even the pro caliber guys won’t be there for years.

FFS, the quality of batter makes no difference in the amount of effort to throw X number of the same type of pitches.

It absolutely does.

 

[Gally]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

There is more at stake, it isn't more stressful.

There is not more at stake for a June MLB game between two teams that are down in the standings and aren't going anywhere this year than a team battling to stay alive in the CWS or make it to the CWS.

I can guarantee if you asked Skenes whether there was more at stake on his LSU run to winning the CWS down the stretch or his start against Detroit on a random day in May or June he would say the LSU run 100 times out of 100.

That is what I said.

I guess to me if there is more at stake that includes having more stress and being more stressful of a situation. You said more at stake but less stressful. I disagree with that.

 

[msudaisy26]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

There is more at stake, it isn't more stressful.

There is not more at stake for a June MLB game between two teams that are down in the standings and aren't going anywhere this year than a team battling to stay alive in the CWS or make it to the CWS.

I can guarantee if you asked Skenes whether there was more at stake on his LSU run to winning the CWS down the stretch or his start against Detroit on a random day in May or June he would say the LSU run 100 times out of 100.

That is what I said.

I guess to me if there is more at stake that includes having more stress and being more stressful of a situation. You said more at stake but less stressful. I disagree with that.

I think having to face major league hitters up and down a lineup is more stressful than facing college kids. Now doing it in June or July in the regular season and winning doesn't mean you win a title that moment like in the CWS, but it is more difficult.

 

[Gally]

the quality of batter makes no difference in the amount of effort to throw X number of the same type of pitches.

I will disagree with this to some degree. Better batters make the pitcher work harder because there is less room for error and you must hit your spots or you get hurt. Having less margin for error makes the pitcher work harder (see my Schilling antidote up thread). Pitches are not created equal for sure but in general terms when comparing CWS and win or go home college game the stress is amped up quite a bit over a mid June MLB game between non contenders.

 

[Joe Schmo]

I used to strike out my 10 year old son all the time in wiffle ball. Ten years late he smokes my azz with homers all game. Even my patented herky jerky twistyloo doesn't get by him anymore.

 

[General Malaise]

College is different than the MLB

No it's not, especially at high level D1.

What???

What what? For a pitcher at a high level program pitching into the finals of the CWS? That's certainly a higher stress level than a mid July game in the majors. The discussion is about a pitcher going deep into games/going into high pitch counts.

Ummmmm, it's a lot easier to get outs against Brody Jank Waznowski from Central Florida than it is the starting 9 of a MLB team. Is this a bit?

How does who you're facing affect the ability to throw more or less pitches? And if you take the time to look at the list of 100+ pitches there were no Central Florida's there. These were conference and CWS type games.

Can't tell if serious. Seriously.

Unless you want to provide a point I'll continue to ignore your comments. Seriously.

I made a point. Others have made a similar point. I don't care what you do, but you're coming across rather dopey in here.

 

[Gally]

I used to strike out my 10 year old son all the time in wiffle ball. Ten years late he smokes my azz with homers all game. Even my patented herky jerky twistyloo doesn't get by him anymore.

Try some vagisil........it will get an extra few inches break on your curveball

 

[3C's]

the quality of batter makes no difference in the amount of effort to throw X number of the same type of pitches.

I will disagree with this to some degree. Better batters make the pitcher work harder because there is less room for error and you must hit your spots or you get hurt. Having less margin for error makes the pitcher work harder (see my Schilling antidote up thread). Pitches are not created equal for sure but in general terms when comparing CWS and win or go home college game the stress is amped up quite a bit over a mid June MLB game between non contenders.

Hence why I said same type of pitches.

 

[msudaisy26]

the quality of batter makes no difference in the amount of effort to throw X number of the same type of pitches.

I will disagree with this to some degree. Better batters make the pitcher work harder because there is less room for error and you must hit your spots or you get hurt. Having less margin for error makes the pitcher work harder (see my Schilling antidote up thread). Pitches are not created equal for sure but in general terms when comparing CWS and win or go home college game the stress is amped up quite a bit over a mid June MLB game between non contenders.

Hence why I said same type of pitches.

No you said the quality of batter makes no difference. It absolutely does.