***OFFICIAL*** 5th Pick Thread (1 Viewer)

[Evilgrin 72]

Let's assume 12-team redraft, all TDs 6 pts, no PPR, for the sake of most common scoring.

I'm guessing the top 4 off the board in most leagues are going to be AP, Turner, Forte, and Jones-Drew in some order. That leaves us 5-hole guys looking down the barrel of LT2, Steven Jackson, Chris Johnson, etc. Tough calls to be made in round 1. Is it too early to take a guy like Fitzgerald?

Round 2, according to ADP, you're looking at the second-tier backs. I'm not seeing a ton of value at RB with pick #20, unless a guy like Portis, Westbrook, or Jacobs falls there (unlikely.) At 2.8, I think you may be better off going with a QB if Brady or Brees is still available, and if not, going to the WR well. Fitzgerald and the two Johnsons are more than likely history, but a guy like Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, Greg Jennings, etc.. may make sense here.

Round 3, you may have a shot at Peyton Manning if you went RB/RB or RB/WR in the first two rounds. I don't think Warner, Rodgers, or Rivers represents value here. At RB, you're looking at guys like Ronnie Brown, Kevin Smith or Pierre Thomas. At WR, you may still have a guy like Colston or T.O available. I'm thinking the most value at this spot may be at WR too, considering..

Round 4, there's a lot of talent left at RB - Knowshon Moreno, Darren McFadden, Reggie Bush, Thomas Jones, Larry Johnson are all guys going around this point. Houshmandzadeh, Roy Williams, Braylon, and Ocho Cinco are out there at WR at this point, and you may even see Warner available. Tough call here.

Round 5, you can typically get your dukes on McNabb and/or Romo. I'm thinking this is the time to go QB if you didn't do so in rounds 2 or 3. Addai, Derrick Ward, Willie Parker Jonathan Stewart, and Beanie Wells are RBs available here that will likely be gone before you pick again. At WR, the likes of Antonio Bryant, Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson are out there.

Round 6 - at RB, you've got the Cedric Bensons and LenDale Whites of the world (i.e. bye week replacement or lower tier RB2s in a TD-heavy league) at RB, guys like Berrian, Lee Evans, and Santana Moss at WR, and upside guys like Jay Cutler or Carson Palmer at QB. I'd tend to grab an RB here, as the remaining viable RB3s are drying up hard from this point on.

Round 7 - Still great value at WR here with guys like Hines Ward, Lance Moore, and Laveranues Coles often still around. RB is getting to be slim pickins - mainly potential upside guys like Ray Rice or Felix Jones, or older guys like Jamal Lewis. QB you might be able to grab a guy like Ryan or Schaub, but are more likely looking at Roethlisberger. I think I'll be leaving a WR slot open here to grab a value WR3.

Rounds 8-9 - you're looking at backup RBs on their NFL teams - guys like Mendenhall, McCoy and Sproles. This is likely where you'll see handcuff RBs chosen. WR has started to dry up as well, but still offers some guys with upside value, like Driver, Ginn, Hester, etc. 5th tier QBs like Eli Manning and David Garrard start to get snapped up here.

That's as far as I'll go for now... thoughts/criticisms/ideas?

 

[Chaser1439]

good post! I have the 3rd pick in my draft ppr 12 man league. I would go Rb, WR, WR if I were you. I think this gives you some room to play around with the 4th and 5th round selections.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

40 views and no other responses? Surely someone has some thoughts here.....

 

[heidbrink]

I try not to get locked in to a set plan because each draft is a bit different and I like to remain flexible as it unfolds. So, this is more of a "typical" scenario for me, based on the mocks I've done out of the five-spot but not necessarily a set plan...

For me pick 1 is an RB (pick your favorite)

Round 2 is an important decision point as each draft unfolds a bit differently. In the mocks I've seen with WR's flying off the board earlier than ever this year, great stalwart backs such as Westy and Portis are coming back on the flip in round 2. So, the round 2 decision is made for you by the guys at the tail end of the order. If one of the elite WR's does happen make it back then I'd snag him here. Otherwise, if WR's flew off the board early then you probably get a sweet pick at RB here and rostering 2 studs at RB is where I'd start.

Round 3: Best WR available

Round 4: Do the opposite of what I did in round 2 (if you went RB, Take a WR here and vice versa).

Round 5: Consider QB if one of the elite options is there or Go for depth at RB. As a general rule I like to come out of round 5 (at least round 6) with 3 Running backs.

Round 6: Flip round 5 decision.

Round 7: Looking for values at this point and on. It's hard to tell who will be here at this point forward but if I've not picked a qb yet I'm probably doing so here. Also might be considering WR3 although at this point typically the WR position is somewhat flattened out in terms of talent so you can really wait a round or two here to get similar talent, IMO. But, again, you never know who will be here so you have to keep open your options. TE's begin to enter into consideration for me at this point or possibly yet another RB (I like RB's).

Round 8 +: Best Player Available.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

We have to have some more 5 pickers here.

 

[-jb-]

I don't find out what my draft pick will be until 15 minutes before the bell rings, but I'll share my comments...I don't love the slot. You're looking at speculative RBs (or reaching for a WR) in the first. You can get good value at RB2 in the second, but will probably miss the boat at a top flight WR1 in the process. That means you're taking a low-end WR1 in the third - not my ideal, but you can do just fine with Boldin or hope Colston comes up big.

Seems like you spend the first four rounds hoping someone falls to you.

Best option is probably...

LT

Steve Smith

Ronnie Brown

Braylon Edwards

Knowshon Moreno

 

[GDogg]

I'm pick 5, but I'm in a must keep 2 keeper league so the options will be similar, but not quite exact. You can't keep anyone who was drafted in the first 3 rounds and you lose a pick in the round the player was drafted.

So, I am keeping Kevin Smith (4th) and either Braylon Edwards (10th) or Antonio Gates (5th). It's also .5 ppr.

Anyway, I expect Forte and Turner to be off the board as keepers. So, at pick 5, I'll be looking at pretty much the same group as all 5 pickers in LT or Jackson.

In round 2, I expect, at most, Portis, Westbrook and Reggie Bush to be the highest rated RBs. And, then I'll be looking at possibly Colston, Housh and Roddy White as options in Round 3.

That's as far as I can reasonably project at the moment, but I'd be happy with a start of LT/Jackson, Portis, and White.

 

[GoBigRed]

10 team, redraft, PPR, start 1QB, 1RB, 1WR, 2Flex(RB/WR), 1TE...

Assuming things fall the way Evilgrin predicts (AP, MJD, Forte, Turner), I'm actually leaning towards Fitz. Not that any player is perfectly safe, but the remaining backs that I would consider here (LT, SJax, CJ, Slaton, etc) have more question marks. Too me, Fitz is almost a sure thing.

One of the strategies I'm considering is WR/WR/WR/RB. Probably sounds a bit crazy, but in some of the mocks I've done, that strategy has netted me things like Fitz/S.Smith/Jennings/Pierre Thomas, which I think is a pretty strong starting 4. Maybe grab McNabb in the 5th & I would feel really good about that.

If I were to take a RB here, though, it would probably be SJax. If all of the backs have some risk, I might as well take the one that has, IMO, the biggest upside.

Evilgrin, if I were you, and it was non-PPR, I would probably look at SJax. He, along with AP & MJD, are truly the centerpieces of their respective offenses.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

10 team, redraft, PPR, start 1QB, 1RB, 1WR, 2Flex(RB/WR), 1TE...Assuming things fall the way Evilgrin predicts (AP, MJD, Forte, Turner), I'm actually leaning towards Fitz. Not that any player is perfectly safe, but the remaining backs that I would consider here (LT, SJax, CJ, Slaton, etc) have more question marks. Too me, Fitz is almost a sure thing.One of the strategies I'm considering is WR/WR/WR/RB. Probably sounds a bit crazy, but in some of the mocks I've done, that strategy has netted me things like Fitz/S.Smith/Jennings/Pierre Thomas, which I think is a pretty strong starting 4. Maybe grab McNabb in the 5th & I would feel really good about that.If I were to take a RB here, though, it would probably be SJax. If all of the backs have some risk, I might as well take the one that has, IMO, the biggest upside.Evilgrin, if I were you, and it was non-PPR, I would probably look at SJax. He, along with AP & MJD, are truly the centerpieces of their respective offenses.

Thinking about it, but something about him scares the hell out of me. Maybe it's the offense around him, maybe it's the injuries, the inconsistency... he just strikes me as a guy that can lose your league for you in round 1.

 

[FL_Gamecock]

Bookmarking this because I will have something to say. I have first mock from 5th tonight. This looks like the absolutely worst spot to be drafting from this year.

 

[themeanmachine]

In my 12-team PPR (1pt WR/TE, 0.5pt RB), I ended up going WR/WR/RB/RB (A Johnson/R Wayne/C Portis/R Bush). I was strongly considering taking LT with my first pick but he was taken at #3, right after ADP and MJD, with Turner at #4. I just wasn't fully comfortable with Forte/SJax/other RB options. Another consideration was that the league starts 1 RB, 2 WR, and 2 flex RB/WR (on top of the other standard positions), so I put more of a premium on WR because I must start more WR than RB.

By the time we got to round 2 I was ready to take Gore, but he was gone 3 picks before me. I also considered Westbrook, but I figured plenty of solid RBs would still be left in rounds 3/4, while I didn't like the dropoff I saw after the next best few WRs were off the board.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Bookmarking this because I will have something to say. I have first mock from 5th tonight. This looks like the absolutely worst spot to be drafting from this year.

To that end, the guy picking on the 12/13 turn responded to my mass inquiry about trading up. I'm trying to send him 1.5, 2.8, and 4.8 for 1.12, 2.1, and 4.1 right now.

 

[GoBigRed]

Bookmarking this because I will have something to say. I have first mock from 5th tonight. This looks like the absolutely worst spot to be drafting from this year.

Agree completely with the bolded part. I'm dreading this pick!

Is anyone considering Slaton here?

SJax's injury history worries me a bit, coupled with the fact that he plays on a terrible offense.

Chris Johnson, despite his incredible talent, is still going to lose carries (especially goaline) to White.

I think LT bounces back a little from last year, but I still believe his best days are far behind him.

Portis is, IMO, too one-dimensional. (not really a part of the passing game)

Reports from Philly are that McCoy is looking really good, so I think he cuts into Westy's time a little bit.

That leaves me coming back to Slaton. I love his versatility, both running & catching. He plays on a very good offense, with plenty of weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest. His backup is Chris Brown, who I would hesitate to even consider "competition." He plays in a division with 1 good run D, but 2 average to below average run D's. Plus, I think I saw that they get the NFC West on thier schedule this year, which isn't exactly know for it's stellar run D, either.

Any thoughts on Slaton here? Or is Fitz the better/safer play?

 

[Evilgrin 72]

In my 12-team PPR (1pt WR/TE, 0.5pt RB), I ended up going WR/WR/RB/RB (A Johnson/R Wayne/C Portis/R Bush). I was strongly considering taking LT with my first pick but he was taken at #3, right after ADP and MJD, with Turner at #4. I just wasn't fully comfortable with Forte/SJax/other RB options. Another consideration was that the league starts 1 RB, 2 WR, and 2 flex RB/WR (on top of the other standard positions), so I put more of a premium on WR because I must start more WR than RB.By the time we got to round 2 I was ready to take Gore, but he was gone 3 picks before me. I also considered Westbrook, but I figured plenty of solid RBs would still be left in rounds 3/4, while I didn't like the dropoff I saw after the next best few WRs were off the board.

In a PPR, I'd have grabbed Forte in an instant, I think. My league is 1 pt/20 yrs rushing and receiving (not combined) and no PPR, so yardage (particularly receiving yards) are de-emphasized. That's why I'm looking at Jacobs in that TD-heavy format. I figure I can get him at 1.12 rather than reaching at 1.5, hence my effort to move down.That said, I love the 4 you came away with here, especially if Bush is OK and plays 16 games.

 

[GoBigRed]

In my 12-team PPR (1pt WR/TE, 0.5pt RB), I ended up going WR/WR/RB/RB (A Johnson/R Wayne/C Portis/R Bush). I was strongly considering taking LT with my first pick but he was taken at #3, right after ADP and MJD, with Turner at #4. I just wasn't fully comfortable with Forte/SJax/other RB options. Another consideration was that the league starts 1 RB, 2 WR, and 2 flex RB/WR (on top of the other standard positions), so I put more of a premium on WR because I must start more WR than RB.By the time we got to round 2 I was ready to take Gore, but he was gone 3 picks before me. I also considered Westbrook, but I figured plenty of solid RBs would still be left in rounds 3/4, while I didn't like the dropoff I saw after the next best few WRs were off the board.

Not sure how your draft finished, but that's a pretty darn good start. Using this strategy, when & what QB were you able to land? Who did you get as your 2nd Flex?

 

[H.K.]

Consensus ADP rankings from FBG for the first five rounds

Round 1

1 Adrian Peterson RB 1

2 Maurice Jones-Drew RB 2

3 Michael Turner RB 3

4 Matt Forte RB 4

**5 Steven Jackson RB 5

6 Larry Fitzgerald WR 1

7 LaDainian Tomlinson RB 6

8 DeAngelo Williams RB 7

9 Chris Johnson RB 8

10 Andre Johnson WR 2

11 Frank Gore RB 9

12 Steve Slaton RB 10

Round 2

13 Drew Brees QB 1

14 Randy Moss WR 3

15 Calvin Johnson WR 4

16 Tom Brady QB 2

17 Brian Westbrook RB 11

18 Clinton Portis RB 12

19 Brandon Jacobs RB 13

**20 Marion Barber RB 14

21 Reggie Wayne WR 5

22 Steve Smith WR 6

23 Greg Jennings WR 7

24 Peyton Manning QB 3

Round 3

25 Roddy White WR 8

26 Anquan Boldin WR 9

27 Marques Colston WR 10

28 Ronnie Brown RB 15

**29 Dwayne Bowe WR 11

30 Ryan Grant RB 16

31 Kevin Smith RB 17

32 Terrell Owens WR 12

33 Wes Welker WR 13

34 Pierre Thomas RB 18

35 Brandon Marshall WR 14

36 Aaron Rodgers QB 4

Round 4

37 Philip Rivers QB 5

38 Kurt Warner QB 6

39 Jason Witten TE 1

40 T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR 15

41 Reggie Bush RB 19

42 Marshawn Lynch RB 20

43 Darren McFadden RB 21

**44 Roy Williams WR 16

45 Braylon Edwards WR 17

46 Knowshon Moreno RB 22

47 Thomas Jones RB 23

48 Tony Romo QB 7

Round 5

49 Chad Ochocinco WR 18

50 Antonio Gates TE 2

51 Larry Johnson RB 24

52 Joseph Addai RB 25

**53 Tony Gonzalez TE 3

54 Vincent Jackson WR 19

55 Donovan McNabb QB 8

56 Derrick Ward RB 26

57 Jonathan Stewart RB 27

58 Antonio Bryant WR 20

59 Dallas Clark TE 4

60 Willie Parker RB 28

Sjax, Barber, Bowe, Roy Williams, & Gonzo if everything goes according to the chalk. Meh.FWIW - I've got the #5 in a ten teamer with .5 PPR, and I expect MJD, ADP, Forte & Turner to be gone and the choice is between LT & SJax for me, and I am leaning LT at the moment.

 

[themeanmachine]

In my 12-team PPR (1pt WR/TE, 0.5pt RB), I ended up going WR/WR/RB/RB (A Johnson/R Wayne/C Portis/R Bush). I was strongly considering taking LT with my first pick but he was taken at #3, right after ADP and MJD, with Turner at #4. I just wasn't fully comfortable with Forte/SJax/other RB options. Another consideration was that the league starts 1 RB, 2 WR, and 2 flex RB/WR (on top of the other standard positions), so I put more of a premium on WR because I must start more WR than RB.By the time we got to round 2 I was ready to take Gore, but he was gone 3 picks before me. I also considered Westbrook, but I figured plenty of solid RBs would still be left in rounds 3/4, while I didn't like the dropoff I saw after the next best few WRs were off the board.

Not sure how your draft finished, but that's a pretty darn good start. Using this strategy, when & what QB were you able to land? Who did you get as your 2nd Flex?

I was going to try to snag McNabb at 5.05, but he was taken a few picks earlier. I started getting nervous about RB with all the noise about Bush's knee, so I took a gamble on Knowshon Moreno, banking on him getting signed soon and the bulk of the carries. Then Santonio Holmes at 6.08, and Schaub for QB at 7.05. (It was between him, Roethlisberger and Palmer at that point).

 

[GoBigRed]

In my 12-team PPR (1pt WR/TE, 0.5pt RB), I ended up going WR/WR/RB/RB (A Johnson/R Wayne/C Portis/R Bush). I was strongly considering taking LT with my first pick but he was taken at #3, right after ADP and MJD, with Turner at #4. I just wasn't fully comfortable with Forte/SJax/other RB options. Another consideration was that the league starts 1 RB, 2 WR, and 2 flex RB/WR (on top of the other standard positions), so I put more of a premium on WR because I must start more WR than RB.By the time we got to round 2 I was ready to take Gore, but he was gone 3 picks before me. I also considered Westbrook, but I figured plenty of solid RBs would still be left in rounds 3/4, while I didn't like the dropoff I saw after the next best few WRs were off the board.

Not sure how your draft finished, but that's a pretty darn good start. Using this strategy, when & what QB were you able to land? Who did you get as your 2nd Flex?

I was going to try to snag McNabb at 5.05, but he was taken a few picks earlier. I started getting nervous about RB with all the noise about Bush's knee, so I took a gamble on Knowshon Moreno, banking on him getting signed soon and the bulk of the carries. Then Santonio Holmes at 6.08, and Schaub for QB at 7.05. (It was between him, Roethlisberger and Palmer at that point).

McNabb would have been a nice get, but Schaub in the 7th isn't a bad consolation.If you remember, who was available for WR in the 3rd when you took Portis? In my league, we have 2 flex positions, and I'm seriously considering a 3 WR approach to start the draft. Did you consider a WR here instead? A starting 4 of AJ/Wayne/Bowe/Bush in a PPR would have been REALLY good!

 

[themeanmachine]

In my 12-team PPR (1pt WR/TE, 0.5pt RB), I ended up going WR/WR/RB/RB (A Johnson/R Wayne/C Portis/R Bush). I was strongly considering taking LT with my first pick but he was taken at #3, right after ADP and MJD, with Turner at #4. I just wasn't fully comfortable with Forte/SJax/other RB options. Another consideration was that the league starts 1 RB, 2 WR, and 2 flex RB/WR (on top of the other standard positions), so I put more of a premium on WR because I must start more WR than RB.By the time we got to round 2 I was ready to take Gore, but he was gone 3 picks before me. I also considered Westbrook, but I figured plenty of solid RBs would still be left in rounds 3/4, while I didn't like the dropoff I saw after the next best few WRs were off the board.

Not sure how your draft finished, but that's a pretty darn good start. Using this strategy, when & what QB were you able to land? Who did you get as your 2nd Flex?

I was going to try to snag McNabb at 5.05, but he was taken a few picks earlier. I started getting nervous about RB with all the noise about Bush's knee, so I took a gamble on Knowshon Moreno, banking on him getting signed soon and the bulk of the carries. Then Santonio Holmes at 6.08, and Schaub for QB at 7.05. (It was between him, Roethlisberger and Palmer at that point).

McNabb would have been a nice get, but Schaub in the 7th isn't a bad consolation.If you remember, who was available for WR in the 3rd when you took Portis? In my league, we have 2 flex positions, and I'm seriously considering a 3 WR approach to start the draft. Did you consider a WR here instead? A starting 4 of AJ/Wayne/Bowe/Bush in a PPR would have been REALLY good!

I didn't consider another WR in the 3rd too seriously, I wasn't comfortable waiting until the 4th to pick my first RB, and I thought Portis at that slot was too good to pass up. Some of the WRs still available at that point were:Bowe (taken 2 picks after mine)MarshallBraylon EdwardsWelker/Colston/Ochocinco were all taken in the few picks before mine.

 

[Mr. Fusion]

My league is different from the original assumptions, being a 10 team league and only start 2 WRs.

In leagues as this, the WR position definitely loses a little bit of importance as you only really go 20 deep on starters. Regardless, I think in round 1 you take the best RB available. For me, no matter how scared I am that means taking Jackson. Just rank your top 5 and take whatever is there.

In the 2nd round of a 10 team league, according to ADP, the best will be one of either Calvin Johnson or Drew Brees but probably not both. Of course, there is a slew of RB2s available including possibly Gore. For me, taking a top 2 QB or top 4 WR seems like the best bet.

In the 3rd round things get cloudy. In a start 2 WR league, I think taking a RB here may be the best bet. I'm a big fan of P. Thomas even though his ADP says it is too early. I think ADP will rise, however, as it gets a little closer to most live drafts. In the 4th, I'm pretty set on Gates if he's available (he will be according to his ADP). A starting 4 of Jackson, C Johnson, P. Thomas, Gates looks pretty solid.

Anyone else out there drafting in a start 2 WR league? I know it's a bit antiquated but we all voted on increasing to 3 but it was shot down because we've kept league records (including points) since inception and most people just wanted to keep it the same.

 

[FL_Gamecock]

No PPR.

1.05 05. Johnson, Chris TEN RB

SJax and LT were on the board, I went with the youngster. but, one of those guys may be the pick here.

2.08 20. Smith, Steve CAR WR

BPA

3.05 29. Bowe, Dwayne KCC WR

I could've had Ronnie Brown, Reggie Bush, Ryan Grant, or Kevin Smiht, but I went with best WR.

4.08 44. Edwards, Braylon CLE WR

All of the solid to acceptable RB2s were now off the board.

5.05 53. Holmes, Santonio PIT WR

I passed on Lynch. I should've taken Lendale White here.

6.08 68. Brown, Donald IND RB

Lendale just went.

7.05 77. Mendenhall, Rashard PIT RB

Upside, but no guarantee to be a good RB2.

8.08 92. Palmer, Carson CIN QB

Like the decision to hold off on QB. Would've liked this even better if Schaub or slipped to me in the next round, or Garrard fell to me in the 10th.

9.05 101. Washington, Leon NYJ RB

I might be starting him as RB2.

10.08 116. Orton, Kyle DEN QB

Weak QB2

11.05 125. Keller, Dustin NYJ TE

Fine with this pick

12.08 140. Greene, Shonn NYJ RB

Okay, too much gang green, but decent upside and locking up 2/3 of NYJ backfield.

13.05 149. Ravens, Baltimore BAL Def

This is fine.

14.08 164. Galloway, Joey NEP WR

Good depth

15.05 173. Kaeding, Nate SDC PK

Anyway.

16.08 188. Buckhalter, Correll DEN RB

Could take a PK in previous round b/c I figured him and a few depth RBs of equivalent value would be available.

Starters:

QB (1x)- Palmer

RB (2x)- Johnson, Brown/Washington

WR (2x)- Smith, Bowe

Flex (1x)- Brown/Washington/Edwards/holmes

TE (1x)- Keller

Pk - Kaeding

DST - Ravens

For starters, VBD is good and all, but I think you have to take 2 x RB in first 3 rounds, unless WRs and QBs are REALLY flying off board.

I will likely be shooting for EITHER a nice QBBC or DTBC. Maybe both...

I could work with this team, especially if I can trade away a WR and hit on one of my depth RBs.

Thoughts? I still think this pick sucks. Feels too high for Johnson, Slaton, SJax, LT, but picking a WR might be suicide.

 

[Keith1]

Bookmarking this because I will have something to say. I have first mock from 5th tonight. This looks like the absolutely worst spot to be drafting from this year.

Agree completely with the bolded part. I'm dreading this pick!

Is anyone considering Slaton here?

SJax's injury history worries me a bit, coupled with the fact that he plays on a terrible offense.

Chris Johnson, despite his incredible talent, is still going to lose carries (especially goaline) to White.

I think LT bounces back a little from last year, but I still believe his best days are far behind him.

Portis is, IMO, too one-dimensional. (not really a part of the passing game)

Reports from Philly are that McCoy is looking really good, so I think he cuts into Westy's time a little bit.

That leaves me coming back to Slaton. I love his versatility, both running & catching. He plays on a very good offense, with plenty of weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest. His backup is Chris Brown, who I would hesitate to even consider "competition." He plays in a division with 1 good run D, but 2 average to below average run D's. Plus, I think I saw that they get the NFC West on thier schedule this year, which isn't exactly know for it's stellar run D, either.

Any thoughts on Slaton here? Or is Fitz the better/safer play?

Been a FBG subscriber for several years but this is my first post. I also have the # 5 pick in my 12 team draft (6 points for passing TDs, not quite PPR---1 point for every 3 recepts). I too am almost sold on Slaton at # 5. Pretty much have ruled out SJax as he simply is too injury-prone (you can't predict injuries but some guys just seem to get hurt every year and SJax is one of them) and I don't want my # 1 pick playing for a lousy team that doesn't score. Fitzy is on Madden this year (and every single Fantasy mag) so I won't touch him. I like Chris Johnson but my # 1 pick has to be a guy who does not share his backfield with another RB getting double digit TDs. I like DeAngelo as I think he is a stud, but Stewart also gets double digit TDs and the Panthers schedule is no cakewalk. Slaton has it all: no competition; offensive powerhouse of a team with a huge throwing game that teams must respect; all 11 guys returning on offense; and a cakey schedule (especially at the end of the fantasy season---note they have ZERO possible bad weather games). I see the blurbs about someone else possibly getting the goal-line carries, but unless Houston specifically announces that Chris Brown (or someone else) will be getting the goal-line carries, I think that Slaton is our man. Pretty sure he is mine. Plus, one more thing to consider. If you take DeAngelo, you likely will have to spend another fairly early (5th round) pick for Stewart. If you take Slaton, you can grab Chris Brown in the 15-16th round of your 18 round draft.

 

[two_dollars]

10 team, redraft, PPR, start 1QB, 1RB, 1WR, 2Flex(RB/WR), 1TE...Assuming things fall the way Evilgrin predicts (AP, MJD, Forte, Turner), I'm actually leaning towards Fitz. Not that any player is perfectly safe, but the remaining backs that I would consider here (LT, SJax, CJ, Slaton, etc) have more question marks. Too me, Fitz is almost a sure thing.One of the strategies I'm considering is WR/WR/WR/RB. Probably sounds a bit crazy, but in some of the mocks I've done, that strategy has netted me things like Fitz/S.Smith/Jennings/Pierre Thomas, which I think is a pretty strong starting 4. Maybe grab McNabb in the 5th & I would feel really good about that.If I were to take a RB here, though, it would probably be SJax. If all of the backs have some risk, I might as well take the one that has, IMO, the biggest upside.Evilgrin, if I were you, and it was non-PPR, I would probably look at SJax. He, along with AP & MJD, are truly the centerpieces of their respective offenses.

Really.. because I draft out of the 1 hole also in a 10 team PPR, and I already KNOW that Jennings and Steve Smith are going to be gone before 2.10

 

[Keith1]

as I mentioned earlier, I am leaning heavily to Slaton at # 5. With my second round pick (at # 20), I am eyeing Peyton Manning (Brees and Brady will be gone already). I think he has a monster year this year; the running game in Indy is nothing special; and the Colts also have a cake schedule. Plus they have ZERO bad weather games !! The coaching turnover nonsense is just that. The offense didn't change, and all those assistants are still there as consultants. Peyton's lousy year last season (lousy of course for him is still 4000 yards and 28 total TDs) was due to the injury. He is healthy and ready to resume his place atop the QB rankings.

 

[GDogg]

Bookmarking this because I will have something to say. I have first mock from 5th tonight. This looks like the absolutely worst spot to be drafting from this year.

Agree completely with the bolded part. I'm dreading this pick!

Is anyone considering Slaton here?

SJax's injury history worries me a bit, coupled with the fact that he plays on a terrible offense.

Chris Johnson, despite his incredible talent, is still going to lose carries (especially goaline) to White.

I think LT bounces back a little from last year, but I still believe his best days are far behind him.

Portis is, IMO, too one-dimensional. (not really a part of the passing game)

Reports from Philly are that McCoy is looking really good, so I think he cuts into Westy's time a little bit.

That leaves me coming back to Slaton. I love his versatility, both running & catching. He plays on a very good offense, with plenty of weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest. His backup is Chris Brown, who I would hesitate to even consider "competition." He plays in a division with 1 good run D, but 2 average to below average run D's. Plus, I think I saw that they get the NFC West on thier schedule this year, which isn't exactly know for it's stellar run D, either.

Any thoughts on Slaton here? Or is Fitz the better/safer play?

Been a FBG subscriber for several years but this is my first post. I also have the # 5 pick in my 12 team draft (6 points for passing TDs, not quite PPR---1 point for every 3 recepts). I too am almost sold on Slaton at # 5. Pretty much have ruled out SJax as he simply is too injury-prone (you can't predict injuries but some guys just seem to get hurt every year and SJax is one of them) and I don't want my # 1 pick playing for a lousy team that doesn't score. Fitzy is on Madden this year (and every single Fantasy mag) so I won't touch him. I like Chris Johnson but my # 1 pick has to be a guy who does not share his backfield with another RB getting double digit TDs. I like DeAngelo as I think he is a stud, but Stewart also gets double digit TDs and the Panthers schedule is no cakewalk. Slaton has it all: no competition; offensive powerhouse of a team with a huge throwing game that teams must respect; all 11 guys returning on offense; and a cakey schedule (especially at the end of the fantasy season---note they have ZERO possible bad weather games). I see the blurbs about someone else possibly getting the goal-line carries, but unless Houston specifically announces that Chris Brown (or someone else) will be getting the goal-line carries, I think that Slaton is our man. Pretty sure he is mine. Plus, one more thing to consider. If you take DeAngelo, you likely will have to spend another fairly early (5th round) pick for Stewart. If you take Slaton, you can grab Chris Brown in the 15-16th round of your 18 round draft.

This is the problem for me. The huge throwing game actually is a negative in my mind. I don't want to give away subscriber content, but I am a big fan of Matt Waldman's work (have been since he was at FFToday), and he's done the numbers-crunching. Suspect passing games are what I'm looking for to find my RB1. Well, at least a major part of it.That's why I'm starting to lean more in Steven Jackson and Frank Gore's direction in this slot and away from LaDainian. Slaton's good, but his offense as a whole, similar to LT's, will be too good and balanced with a lethal passing game.

And, it makes sense. The best way a crappy team can stay in the game is by shortening it. You do that by running the ball. I've got these guys ranked as Jackson, LT 2a, and Gore 2b. I don't like Slaton's situation to put up huge RB1 numbers.

 

[Keith1]

Bookmarking this because I will have something to say. I have first mock from 5th tonight. This looks like the absolutely worst spot to be drafting from this year.

Agree completely with the bolded part. I'm dreading this pick!

Is anyone considering Slaton here?

SJax's injury history worries me a bit, coupled with the fact that he plays on a terrible offense.

Chris Johnson, despite his incredible talent, is still going to lose carries (especially goaline) to White.

I think LT bounces back a little from last year, but I still believe his best days are far behind him.

Portis is, IMO, too one-dimensional. (not really a part of the passing game)

Reports from Philly are that McCoy is looking really good, so I think he cuts into Westy's time a little bit.

That leaves me coming back to Slaton. I love his versatility, both running & catching. He plays on a very good offense, with plenty of weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest. His backup is Chris Brown, who I would hesitate to even consider "competition." He plays in a division with 1 good run D, but 2 average to below average run D's. Plus, I think I saw that they get the NFC West on thier schedule this year, which isn't exactly know for it's stellar run D, either.

Any thoughts on Slaton here? Or is Fitz the better/safer play?

Been a FBG subscriber for several years but this is my first post. I also have the # 5 pick in my 12 team draft (6 points for passing TDs, not quite PPR---1 point for every 3 recepts). I too am almost sold on Slaton at # 5. Pretty much have ruled out SJax as he simply is too injury-prone (you can't predict injuries but some guys just seem to get hurt every year and SJax is one of them) and I don't want my # 1 pick playing for a lousy team that doesn't score. Fitzy is on Madden this year (and every single Fantasy mag) so I won't touch him. I like Chris Johnson but my # 1 pick has to be a guy who does not share his backfield with another RB getting double digit TDs. I like DeAngelo as I think he is a stud, but Stewart also gets double digit TDs and the Panthers schedule is no cakewalk. Slaton has it all: no competition; offensive powerhouse of a team with a huge throwing game that teams must respect; all 11 guys returning on offense; and a cakey schedule (especially at the end of the fantasy season---note they have ZERO possible bad weather games). I see the blurbs about someone else possibly getting the goal-line carries, but unless Houston specifically announces that Chris Brown (or someone else) will be getting the goal-line carries, I think that Slaton is our man. Pretty sure he is mine. Plus, one more thing to consider. If you take DeAngelo, you likely will have to spend another fairly early (5th round) pick for Stewart. If you take Slaton, you can grab Chris Brown in the 15-16th round of your 18 round draft.

This is the problem for me. The huge throwing game actually is a negative in my mind. I don't want to give away subscriber content, but I am a big fan of Matt Waldman's work (have been since he was at FFToday), and he's done the numbers-crunching. Suspect passing games are what I'm looking for to find my RB1. Well, at least a major part of it.That's why I'm starting to lean more in Steven Jackson and Frank Gore's direction in this slot and away from LaDainian. Slaton's good, but his offense as a whole, similar to LT's, will be too good and balanced with a lethal passing game.

And, it makes sense. The best way a crappy team can stay in the game is by shortening it. You do that by running the ball. I've got these guys ranked as Jackson, LT 2a, and Gore 2b. I don't like Slaton's situation to put up huge RB1 numbers.

seems to me that a team with a lousy QB and or lousy passing game is going to see more 8 and 9 man fronts (thereby stopping the running game and daring them to pass). That's why I don't like SJax.

 

[GDogg]

Bookmarking this because I will have something to say. I have first mock from 5th tonight. This looks like the absolutely worst spot to be drafting from this year.

Agree completely with the bolded part. I'm dreading this pick!

Is anyone considering Slaton here?

SJax's injury history worries me a bit, coupled with the fact that he plays on a terrible offense.

Chris Johnson, despite his incredible talent, is still going to lose carries (especially goaline) to White.

I think LT bounces back a little from last year, but I still believe his best days are far behind him.

Portis is, IMO, too one-dimensional. (not really a part of the passing game)

Reports from Philly are that McCoy is looking really good, so I think he cuts into Westy's time a little bit.

That leaves me coming back to Slaton. I love his versatility, both running & catching. He plays on a very good offense, with plenty of weapons in the passing game to keep defenses honest. His backup is Chris Brown, who I would hesitate to even consider "competition." He plays in a division with 1 good run D, but 2 average to below average run D's. Plus, I think I saw that they get the NFC West on thier schedule this year, which isn't exactly know for it's stellar run D, either.

Any thoughts on Slaton here? Or is Fitz the better/safer play?

Been a FBG subscriber for several years but this is my first post. I also have the # 5 pick in my 12 team draft (6 points for passing TDs, not quite PPR---1 point for every 3 recepts). I too am almost sold on Slaton at # 5. Pretty much have ruled out SJax as he simply is too injury-prone (you can't predict injuries but some guys just seem to get hurt every year and SJax is one of them) and I don't want my # 1 pick playing for a lousy team that doesn't score. Fitzy is on Madden this year (and every single Fantasy mag) so I won't touch him. I like Chris Johnson but my # 1 pick has to be a guy who does not share his backfield with another RB getting double digit TDs. I like DeAngelo as I think he is a stud, but Stewart also gets double digit TDs and the Panthers schedule is no cakewalk. Slaton has it all: no competition; offensive powerhouse of a team with a huge throwing game that teams must respect; all 11 guys returning on offense; and a cakey schedule (especially at the end of the fantasy season---note they have ZERO possible bad weather games). I see the blurbs about someone else possibly getting the goal-line carries, but unless Houston specifically announces that Chris Brown (or someone else) will be getting the goal-line carries, I think that Slaton is our man. Pretty sure he is mine. Plus, one more thing to consider. If you take DeAngelo, you likely will have to spend another fairly early (5th round) pick for Stewart. If you take Slaton, you can grab Chris Brown in the 15-16th round of your 18 round draft.

This is the problem for me. The huge throwing game actually is a negative in my mind. I don't want to give away subscriber content, but I am a big fan of Matt Waldman's work (have been since he was at FFToday), and he's done the numbers-crunching. Suspect passing games are what I'm looking for to find my RB1. Well, at least a major part of it.That's why I'm starting to lean more in Steven Jackson and Frank Gore's direction in this slot and away from LaDainian. Slaton's good, but his offense as a whole, similar to LT's, will be too good and balanced with a lethal passing game.

And, it makes sense. The best way a crappy team can stay in the game is by shortening it. You do that by running the ball. I've got these guys ranked as Jackson, LT 2a, and Gore 2b. I don't like Slaton's situation to put up huge RB1 numbers.

seems to me that a team with a lousy QB and or lousy passing game is going to see more 8 and 9 man fronts (thereby stopping the running game and daring them to pass). That's why I don't like SJax.

And the flip side to that is that a team with a subpar passing game is going to use whatever weapons they have to the best of their ability - namely, ride their workhorse RB to monster numbers. They may not have the per play numbers that you'd like, but who cares? They'll have so many opportunities that they'll put up numbers. That isn't the case, though, for RBs that are major parts of the passing game (such as Jackson and LT and Westbrook).Waldman has the numbers to back this up, too. It's not a "hunch" or a "seems to me like x should happen."

Again, since you said you're a subscriber, I'd suggest reading Matt Waldman's stuff.

I keep getting burned every year with the "safe" picks. I'm thinking of going with the injury-prone, workhorse in Jackson or Gore. Of course, I'd take Drew or Peterson over all of them if they fell to me.

 

[Rovers]

12 team IDP redraft, 0.5 ppr. Sitting in the five hole, it was ADP, Jones-Drew, SJ and Forte gone.

I've been let down the last 2 years with LT's injuries. Liked Slaton a lot here, didn't like D'Williams with J Stewart hawking TD's... it came down to Turner vs. Gore for me. Both Johnson and Portis could lose carries in quasi-RBBC's and even Turner, who is non existant in the receiving area still has Norwood hanging around. I also don't think Turner will have many more 4 TD games in his future.

I jumped Gore's ADP and took him at 5. No competition for carries, but could face a lot of 8 in the box... still, I consider him a safe bet as a top 10 RB. Fitz was a serious consideration as well.

In round 2, I took R Wayne. Round 3, and here is where I screwed up. Ronnie Brown. Not an awful pick, but with Pat White maybe taking some wildcat snaps, Ricky "gange" Williams hangin around, a tougher schedule.... well that led me a bit dhaken into the 4th, where I again deviated from my pre-draft stratgey and took my 3rd RB, Ray Rice. There were some decent WR's there, but Rice screamed value to me here, not to mention that both Gore and Brown are on byes in week 6. Reports of a diminished role for MaGahee and McClain being the full time FB... I went Rice. He has bulked up, and may end up being my #2 RB, maybe even #1 over Gore. I still think I am trying to convince myself what a brilliant pick Rice was there.

3 RB's and a WR... now what to do in round 5? I thought I'd better get strong somewhere... and took Beason in 5, D Ryans in 6 to get what I hope will be 2 of the top 5 LB's in FF IDP this year.

At this point, needing WR's, I looked for the top passing targets on teams that are run oriented. Guys that will lead their teams in receptions for steady weekly scoring. Enter Cotchery in the 7th, Steve Smithe the lesser in the 9th, sandwiched around Schaub in the 8th.

This league allows a flexable flex, so I can start 1 to 3 RB's.... most of the top 10 TE's are gone, time for my sleeper, Dustin Keller in the 10th. Nice upside, and could be a top 5 TE this year given the state of the Jets and the QB situation.

After that, I went heavy on IDP, but did pick up D Hester in the 12th.... nice value there, I think. Got Roths as my backup QB in the 13th.

The keys to my draft's success basically revolves around my RB's.... Gore, Brown and Rice. I'm not real confident, but let's just say hopeful it works out.

 

[MCguidance]

Just found out my draft slot last night.

I have NO idea what the draft will hold as there was a bit of turnover from last year. Conceivably, MJD could fall but I am not banking on it at all. I am thinking that if SJax falls I will take him. If Forte falls, I have a dilemma. If I had to rank, it would obviously be MJD first, then SJax and then Forte. I've been doing several mocks a day on FFCalculator (dunno how smart those guys are) but I usually get Sjax and then can often pick either Portis or Steve Smith. I like taking Smith there, though the start of Sjax and Portis really looks enticing. Last year my leaguemates didnt dissapointment and took QBs early, letting good quality fall. Of course, things change, but I expect Brees and Brady to be taken, along with maybe Manning. The league is competitive, but by no means a FBG league.

I would like it to look like this:

Sjax

Steve Smith

Barber

It could look like this:

Sjax

Portis

Roddy White

I like either. I am not a huge fan of this draft spot, but having a choice of a premier RB is a good start, just need to be flexible as the draft unfolds.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

I again deviated from my pre-draft stratgey and took my 3rd RB, Ray Rice. There were some decent WR's there, but Rice screamed value to me here, not to mention that both Gore and Brown are on byes in week 6. Reports of a diminished role for MaGahee and McClain being the full time FB... I went Rice. He has bulked up, and may end up being my #2 RB, maybe even #1 over Gore. I still think I am trying to convince myself what a brilliant pick Rice was there.

This is an interesting pick. Rice's ADP is about 6.10. Do you think he would have been available to you in the fifth round? I don't know if I'd be comfortable taking him in the fourth round. I personally don't think he'll see more than 65% of the carries in Baltimore.

 

[Keith1]

12 team IDP redraft, 0.5 ppr. Sitting in the five hole, it was ADP, Jones-Drew, SJ and Forte gone. I've been let down the last 2 years with LT's injuries. Liked Slaton a lot here, didn't like D'Williams with J Stewart hawking TD's... it came down to Turner vs. Gore for me. Both Johnson and Portis could lose carries in quasi-RBBC's and even Turner, who is non existant in the receiving area still has Norwood hanging around. I also don't think Turner will have many more 4 TD games in his future. I jumped Gore's ADP and took him at 5. No competition for carries, but could face a lot of 8 in the box... still, I consider him a safe bet as a top 10 RB. Fitz was a serious consideration as well. In round 2, I took R Wayne. Round 3, and here is where I screwed up. Ronnie Brown. Not an awful pick, but with Pat White maybe taking some wildcat snaps, Ricky "gange" Williams hangin around, a tougher schedule.... well that led me a bit dhaken into the 4th, where I again deviated from my pre-draft stratgey and took my 3rd RB, Ray Rice. There were some decent WR's there, but Rice screamed value to me here, not to mention that both Gore and Brown are on byes in week 6. Reports of a diminished role for MaGahee and McClain being the full time FB... I went Rice. He has bulked up, and may end up being my #2 RB, maybe even #1 over Gore. I still think I am trying to convince myself what a brilliant pick Rice was there. 3 RB's and a WR... now what to do in round 5? I thought I'd better get strong somewhere... and took Beason in 5, D Ryans in 6 to get what I hope will be 2 of the top 5 LB's in FF IDP this year. At this point, needing WR's, I looked for the top passing targets on teams that are run oriented. Guys that will lead their teams in receptions for steady weekly scoring. Enter Cotchery in the 7th, Steve Smithe the lesser in the 9th, sandwiched around Schaub in the 8th. This league allows a flexable flex, so I can start 1 to 3 RB's.... most of the top 10 TE's are gone, time for my sleeper, Dustin Keller in the 10th. Nice upside, and could be a top 5 TE this year given the state of the Jets and the QB situation. After that, I went heavy on IDP, but did pick up D Hester in the 12th.... nice value there, I think. Got Roths as my backup QB in the 13th. The keys to my draft's success basically revolves around my RB's.... Gore, Brown and Rice. I'm not real confident, but let's just say hopeful it works out.

you say you liked Slaton "alot" but then chose between Gore and Turner. Just curious as to why you discounted Slaton so much ? I personally see him as a better option than Gore and am wondering what you saw. Thanks.

 

[Rovers]

12 team IDP redraft, 0.5 ppr. Sitting in the five hole, it was ADP, Jones-Drew, SJ and Forte gone. I've been let down the last 2 years with LT's injuries. Liked Slaton a lot here, didn't like D'Williams with J Stewart hawking TD's... it came down to Turner vs. Gore for me. Both Johnson and Portis could lose carries in quasi-RBBC's and even Turner, who is non existant in the receiving area still has Norwood hanging around. I also don't think Turner will have many more 4 TD games in his future. I jumped Gore's ADP and took him at 5. No competition for carries, but could face a lot of 8 in the box... still, I consider him a safe bet as a top 10 RB. Fitz was a serious consideration as well. In round 2, I took R Wayne. Round 3, and here is where I screwed up. Ronnie Brown. Not an awful pick, but with Pat White maybe taking some wildcat snaps, Ricky "gange" Williams hangin around, a tougher schedule.... well that led me a bit dhaken into the 4th, where I again deviated from my pre-draft stratgey and took my 3rd RB, Ray Rice. There were some decent WR's there, but Rice screamed value to me here, not to mention that both Gore and Brown are on byes in week 6. Reports of a diminished role for MaGahee and McClain being the full time FB... I went Rice. He has bulked up, and may end up being my #2 RB, maybe even #1 over Gore. I still think I am trying to convince myself what a brilliant pick Rice was there. 3 RB's and a WR... now what to do in round 5? I thought I'd better get strong somewhere... and took Beason in 5, D Ryans in 6 to get what I hope will be 2 of the top 5 LB's in FF IDP this year. At this point, needing WR's, I looked for the top passing targets on teams that are run oriented. Guys that will lead their teams in receptions for steady weekly scoring. Enter Cotchery in the 7th, Steve Smithe the lesser in the 9th, sandwiched around Schaub in the 8th. This league allows a flexable flex, so I can start 1 to 3 RB's.... most of the top 10 TE's are gone, time for my sleeper, Dustin Keller in the 10th. Nice upside, and could be a top 5 TE this year given the state of the Jets and the QB situation. After that, I went heavy on IDP, but did pick up D Hester in the 12th.... nice value there, I think. Got Roths as my backup QB in the 13th. The keys to my draft's success basically revolves around my RB's.... Gore, Brown and Rice. I'm not real confident, but let's just say hopeful it works out.

you say you liked Slaton "alot" but then chose between Gore and Turner. Just curious as to why you discounted Slaton so much ? I personally see him as a better option than Gore and am wondering what you saw. Thanks.

I simply see Slaton as a higher risk pick than Gore. While his numbers last year were very impressive, he was not very effective at the goal line, converting 4 out of 18 carries into TD's. I am concerned that he could lose those GL carries this year... to who? I don't know, but I do think that Houston will give Moats and or C Johnson a shot at that role. I had Slaton in a keep 2 redraft league last year, so being a 7th round pick (we lose the draft pick in the round our keeper comes from) he is a no brainer to keep, but I am just not convinced after one year that he can hold up to another 300 touch season. I remember getting burned by Domenik Davis a few years ago, and Slaton does remind me of him somewhat. While Gore has had his injury issues, I feel he is the safer pick. Truthfully, if I had to do it over again, I might go Slaton. This is a 0.5 PPR league... if it was 1.0 PPR, no doubt, Slaton would have been my pick. Bottom line... Gore has done it time and again even on a lousy offense. If the smallish Slaton can repeat and stay healthy, then Gore was a lousy pick.

 

[Keith1]

12 team IDP redraft, 0.5 ppr. Sitting in the five hole, it was ADP, Jones-Drew, SJ and Forte gone. I've been let down the last 2 years with LT's injuries. Liked Slaton a lot here, didn't like D'Williams with J Stewart hawking TD's... it came down to Turner vs. Gore for me. Both Johnson and Portis could lose carries in quasi-RBBC's and even Turner, who is non existant in the receiving area still has Norwood hanging around. I also don't think Turner will have many more 4 TD games in his future. I jumped Gore's ADP and took him at 5. No competition for carries, but could face a lot of 8 in the box... still, I consider him a safe bet as a top 10 RB. Fitz was a serious consideration as well. In round 2, I took R Wayne. Round 3, and here is where I screwed up. Ronnie Brown. Not an awful pick, but with Pat White maybe taking some wildcat snaps, Ricky "gange" Williams hangin around, a tougher schedule.... well that led me a bit dhaken into the 4th, where I again deviated from my pre-draft stratgey and took my 3rd RB, Ray Rice. There were some decent WR's there, but Rice screamed value to me here, not to mention that both Gore and Brown are on byes in week 6. Reports of a diminished role for MaGahee and McClain being the full time FB... I went Rice. He has bulked up, and may end up being my #2 RB, maybe even #1 over Gore. I still think I am trying to convince myself what a brilliant pick Rice was there. 3 RB's and a WR... now what to do in round 5? I thought I'd better get strong somewhere... and took Beason in 5, D Ryans in 6 to get what I hope will be 2 of the top 5 LB's in FF IDP this year. At this point, needing WR's, I looked for the top passing targets on teams that are run oriented. Guys that will lead their teams in receptions for steady weekly scoring. Enter Cotchery in the 7th, Steve Smithe the lesser in the 9th, sandwiched around Schaub in the 8th. This league allows a flexable flex, so I can start 1 to 3 RB's.... most of the top 10 TE's are gone, time for my sleeper, Dustin Keller in the 10th. Nice upside, and could be a top 5 TE this year given the state of the Jets and the QB situation. After that, I went heavy on IDP, but did pick up D Hester in the 12th.... nice value there, I think. Got Roths as my backup QB in the 13th. The keys to my draft's success basically revolves around my RB's.... Gore, Brown and Rice. I'm not real confident, but let's just say hopeful it works out.

you say you liked Slaton "alot" but then chose between Gore and Turner. Just curious as to why you discounted Slaton so much ? I personally see him as a better option than Gore and am wondering what you saw. Thanks.

I simply see Slaton as a higher risk pick than Gore. While his numbers last year were very impressive, he was not very effective at the goal line, converting 4 out of 18 carries into TD's. I am concerned that he could lose those GL carries this year... to who? I don't know, but I do think that Houston will give Moats and or C Johnson a shot at that role. I had Slaton in a keep 2 redraft league last year, so being a 7th round pick (we lose the draft pick in the round our keeper comes from) he is a no brainer to keep, but I am just not convinced after one year that he can hold up to another 300 touch season. I remember getting burned by Domenik Davis a few years ago, and Slaton does remind me of him somewhat. While Gore has had his injury issues, I feel he is the safer pick. Truthfully, if I had to do it over again, I might go Slaton. This is a 0.5 PPR league... if it was 1.0 PPR, no doubt, Slaton would have been my pick. Bottom line... Gore has done it time and again even on a lousy offense. If the smallish Slaton can repeat and stay healthy, then Gore was a lousy pick.

thanks for the response. I saw today that the Texans plan on giving a big rookie TE a shot at goal-line carries. I'm concerned that Slaton is just another version of Chris Johnson. Who I also won't take at # 5 because he loses the goal-line opps.

 

[PosterNutBag]

I have this spot in a draft that isn't until Tues 9/8, so I have a lot of time to digest the preseason happenings.

My gut tells me this is much too high to even start thinking about Slaton or Gore. I totally see the upside of both (Slaton more than Gore for me), but those guys are risky since they aren't on great teams and they are undersized. They both could be great, but with Slaton not looking so hot near the goalline I am not sold even though he looks to be a better bet than Gore since he is in a better offense.

Obviously, any one of us would jump on whomever remains from Peterson, MJD, Turner & Forte (the consensus top 4).

I think that Tomlinson is the way to go with the 5th pick. He still ended up as the 7th best RB last year in spite of his "down" season with injury issues for the 2nd straight season (although his injury issues in 2007 were at the very end and he still finished as the #1 RB for 2007). He does have a lot of miles on the tread, but Turner likes to pound the rock and I believe both he and LT when it has been publicly said that he is in for a big year. I know that "coach speak" shouldn't always be bought, but I don't see any reason why they won't allow LT to just do his normal thing if he stays healthy. Sproles could steal some numbers, but I don't believe it will be significant enough (he's a change of pace back at best IMO). The Chargers offense wasn't even close to as good when Tomlinson wasn't 100%. They definitely need him to be the man to dominate so I am buying that he will have every opportunity to be the RB we know him to be once again. He just turned 30, so he is indeed "old" by RB standards. When I compare him to the other RB options at 5 (SJax, Slaton, DWilliams, Gore, CJohnson), I think Tomlinson has the best chances to be a stud and I also think that even if he does get a little banged up, having the 7th best RB (like he was last season) isn't going to lose me the league. The only way you'll lose the league with this pick is if you swing and miss. To me, going with a proven commidity who even in down years was still solid enough is better than going with other guys whose upside is there but might be a little too wishful to realize this season. It's all about minimizing risk. SJax is a guy with homerun potential, but has only finished once in 5 years as a top 12 back. Slaton/Gore are small, but good. Johnson is awesome, but loses goal line TDs chances. Williams could be the best of these other guys---but Stewart is very good when healthy and it seems apparent that mixing both of them together is the best idea for the Panthers coaches.

I think too many people are overthinking it by reaching for Slaton here. Nothing is a sure thing, but Tomlinson looks like the best bet to me after the top 4 RBs I noted above. The 5 spot definitely has risk written all over it, but it could end up being one of the best slots to be in if Tomlinson can stay healthy.

 

[Keith1]

I have this spot in a draft that isn't until Tues 9/8, so I have a lot of time to digest the preseason happenings.My gut tells me this is much too high to even start thinking about Slaton or Gore. I totally see the upside of both (Slaton more than Gore for me), but those guys are risky since they aren't on great teams and they are undersized. They both could be great, but with Slaton not looking so hot near the goalline I am not sold even though he looks to be a better bet than Gore since he is in a better offense.Obviously, any one of us would jump on whomever remains from Peterson, MJD, Turner & Forte (the consensus top 4).I think that Tomlinson is the way to go with the 5th pick. He still ended up as the 7th best RB last year in spite of his "down" season with injury issues for the 2nd straight season (although his injury issues in 2007 were at the very end and he still finished as the #1 RB for 2007). He does have a lot of miles on the tread, but Turner likes to pound the rock and I believe both he and LT when it has been publicly said that he is in for a big year. I know that "coach speak" shouldn't always be bought, but I don't see any reason why they won't allow LT to just do his normal thing if he stays healthy. Sproles could steal some numbers, but I don't believe it will be significant enough (he's a change of pace back at best IMO). The Chargers offense wasn't even close to as good when Tomlinson wasn't 100%. They definitely need him to be the man to dominate so I am buying that he will have every opportunity to be the RB we know him to be once again. He just turned 30, so he is indeed "old" by RB standards. When I compare him to the other RB options at 5 (SJax, Slaton, DWilliams, Gore, CJohnson), I think Tomlinson has the best chances to be a stud and I also think that even if he does get a little banged up, having the 7th best RB (like he was last season) isn't going to lose me the league. The only way you'll lose the league with this pick is if you swing and miss. To me, going with a proven commidity who even in down years was still solid enough is better than going with other guys whose upside is there but might be a little too wishful to realize this season. It's all about minimizing risk. SJax is a guy with homerun potential, but has only finished once in 5 years as a top 12 back. Slaton/Gore are small, but good. Johnson is awesome, but loses goal line TDs chances. Williams could be the best of these other guys---but Stewart is very good when healthy and it seems apparent that mixing both of them together is the best idea for the Panthers coaches.I think too many people are overthinking it by reaching for Slaton here. Nothing is a sure thing, but Tomlinson looks like the best bet to me after the top 4 RBs I noted above. The 5 spot definitely has risk written all over it, but it could end up being one of the best slots to be in if Tomlinson can stay healthy.

I just can't take LT at # 5. Yes, if you look at the year end stats he put up solid numbers last year, but he clearly was not the same towards the end of the year (and I don't just mean when he was hurt on the bench, watching Sproles run wild). If I recall correctly a "healthy" LT couldn't do squat against the KC Chiefs down the stretch last year. He is at that 30 year old marker and he has had alot of wear and tear over the years. Man does the # 5 pick suck this year. I've pretty much come up with reasons NOT to draft any one of Slaton, SJax, DWill, Gore, LT or Chris Johnson. I won't take Fitzy cause of the Madden curse and # 5 is just too early for Moss. My league has 6 points for passing TDs, and I am giving serious consideration now to forsaking Manning in round 2, and grabbing either Brees or Brady in the 1st round. I could see myself grabbing Brees at # 5, Ronnie Brown at # 20 and then perhaps Colston at # 29. Not a bad start--don't you think ?

 

[GDogg]

I have this spot in a draft that isn't until Tues 9/8, so I have a lot of time to digest the preseason happenings.

My gut tells me this is much too high to even start thinking about Slaton or Gore. I totally see the upside of both (Slaton more than Gore for me), but those guys are risky since they aren't on great teams and they are undersized. They both could be great, but with Slaton not looking so hot near the goalline I am not sold even though he looks to be a better bet than Gore since he is in a better offense.

Obviously, any one of us would jump on whomever remains from Peterson, MJD, Turner & Forte (the consensus top 4).

I think that Tomlinson is the way to go with the 5th pick. He still ended up as the 7th best RB last year in spite of his "down" season with injury issues for the 2nd straight season (although his injury issues in 2007 were at the very end and he still finished as the #1 RB for 2007). He does have a lot of miles on the tread, but Turner likes to pound the rock and I believe both he and LT when it has been publicly said that he is in for a big year. I know that "coach speak" shouldn't always be bought, but I don't see any reason why they won't allow LT to just do his normal thing if he stays healthy. Sproles could steal some numbers, but I don't believe it will be significant enough (he's a change of pace back at best IMO). The Chargers offense wasn't even close to as good when Tomlinson wasn't 100%. They definitely need him to be the man to dominate so I am buying that he will have every opportunity to be the RB we know him to be once again. He just turned 30, so he is indeed "old" by RB standards. When I compare him to the other RB options at 5 (SJax, Slaton, DWilliams, Gore, CJohnson), I think Tomlinson has the best chances to be a stud and I also think that even if he does get a little banged up, having the 7th best RB (like he was last season) isn't going to lose me the league. The only way you'll lose the league with this pick is if you swing and miss. To me, going with a proven commidity who even in down years was still solid enough is better than going with other guys whose upside is there but might be a little too wishful to realize this season. It's all about minimizing risk. SJax is a guy with homerun potential, but has only finished once in 5 years as a top 12 back. Slaton/Gore are small, but good. Johnson is awesome, but loses goal line TDs chances. Williams could be the best of these other guys---but Stewart is very good when healthy and it seems apparent that mixing both of them together is the best idea for the Panthers coaches.

I think too many people are overthinking it by reaching for Slaton here. Nothing is a sure thing, but Tomlinson looks like the best bet to me after the top 4 RBs I noted above. The 5 spot definitely has risk written all over it, but it could end up being one of the best slots to be in if Tomlinson can stay healthy.

I just can't take LT at # 5. Yes, if you look at the year end stats he put up solid numbers last year, but he clearly was not the same towards the end of the year (and I don't just mean when he was hurt on the bench, watching Sproles run wild). If I recall correctly a "healthy" LT couldn't do squat against the KC Chiefs down the stretch last year. He is at that 30 year old marker and he has had alot of wear and tear over the years. Man does the # 5 pick suck this year. I've pretty much come up with reasons NOT to draft any one of Slaton, SJax, DWill, Gore, LT or Chris Johnson. I won't take Fitzy cause of the Madden curse and # 5 is just too early for Moss. My league has 6 points for passing TDs, and I am giving serious consideration now to forsaking Manning in round 2, and grabbing either Brees or Brady in the 1st round. I could see myself grabbing Brees at # 5, Ronnie Brown at # 20 and then perhaps Colston at # 29. Not a bad start--don't you think ?

He ran for 90+ yards in three of his last four games. I'm not counting the last game against Indy since he only ran the ball 5 times (for 25 yards - a 5 ypc average) before getting hurt in the First Quarter.He scored at least 1 TD in three of his last four games. I don't know if I'd say he didn't do "squat" against the Chiefs down the stretch. He did have 74 total yards and a TD. He was targeted 10 times in the passing game. He had 13.4 points in standard scoring leagues, 19.4 points in PPR leagues. That's a little more than "squat."

 

[Keith1]

I have this spot in a draft that isn't until Tues 9/8, so I have a lot of time to digest the preseason happenings.

My gut tells me this is much too high to even start thinking about Slaton or Gore. I totally see the upside of both (Slaton more than Gore for me), but those guys are risky since they aren't on great teams and they are undersized. They both could be great, but with Slaton not looking so hot near the goalline I am not sold even though he looks to be a better bet than Gore since he is in a better offense.

Obviously, any one of us would jump on whomever remains from Peterson, MJD, Turner & Forte (the consensus top 4).

I think that Tomlinson is the way to go with the 5th pick. He still ended up as the 7th best RB last year in spite of his "down" season with injury issues for the 2nd straight season (although his injury issues in 2007 were at the very end and he still finished as the #1 RB for 2007). He does have a lot of miles on the tread, but Turner likes to pound the rock and I believe both he and LT when it has been publicly said that he is in for a big year. I know that "coach speak" shouldn't always be bought, but I don't see any reason why they won't allow LT to just do his normal thing if he stays healthy. Sproles could steal some numbers, but I don't believe it will be significant enough (he's a change of pace back at best IMO). The Chargers offense wasn't even close to as good when Tomlinson wasn't 100%. They definitely need him to be the man to dominate so I am buying that he will have every opportunity to be the RB we know him to be once again. He just turned 30, so he is indeed "old" by RB standards. When I compare him to the other RB options at 5 (SJax, Slaton, DWilliams, Gore, CJohnson), I think Tomlinson has the best chances to be a stud and I also think that even if he does get a little banged up, having the 7th best RB (like he was last season) isn't going to lose me the league. The only way you'll lose the league with this pick is if you swing and miss. To me, going with a proven commidity who even in down years was still solid enough is better than going with other guys whose upside is there but might be a little too wishful to realize this season. It's all about minimizing risk. SJax is a guy with homerun potential, but has only finished once in 5 years as a top 12 back. Slaton/Gore are small, but good. Johnson is awesome, but loses goal line TDs chances. Williams could be the best of these other guys---but Stewart is very good when healthy and it seems apparent that mixing both of them together is the best idea for the Panthers coaches.

I think too many people are overthinking it by reaching for Slaton here. Nothing is a sure thing, but Tomlinson looks like the best bet to me after the top 4 RBs I noted above. The 5 spot definitely has risk written all over it, but it could end up being one of the best slots to be in if Tomlinson can stay healthy.

I just can't take LT at # 5. Yes, if you look at the year end stats he put up solid numbers last year, but he clearly was not the same towards the end of the year (and I don't just mean when he was hurt on the bench, watching Sproles run wild). If I recall correctly a "healthy" LT couldn't do squat against the KC Chiefs down the stretch last year. He is at that 30 year old marker and he has had alot of wear and tear over the years. Man does the # 5 pick suck this year. I've pretty much come up with reasons NOT to draft any one of Slaton, SJax, DWill, Gore, LT or Chris Johnson. I won't take Fitzy cause of the Madden curse and # 5 is just too early for Moss. My league has 6 points for passing TDs, and I am giving serious consideration now to forsaking Manning in round 2, and grabbing either Brees or Brady in the 1st round. I could see myself grabbing Brees at # 5, Ronnie Brown at # 20 and then perhaps Colston at # 29. Not a bad start--don't you think ?

He ran for 90+ yards in three of his last four games. I'm not counting the last game against Indy since he only ran the ball 5 times (for 25 yards - a 5 ypc average) before getting hurt in the First Quarter.He scored at least 1 TD in three of his last four games. I don't know if I'd say he didn't do "squat" against the Chiefs down the stretch. He did have 74 total yards and a TD. He was targeted 10 times in the passing game. He had 13.4 points in standard scoring leagues, 19.4 points in PPR leagues. That's a little more than "squat."

maybe so, but he did end the last TWO seasons on the bench, injured. Pretty sure there is another thread around speaking in detail of how LT has lost a step (or 2) and doesn't hit the holes the way he used to. I just have a feeling he gets hurt at some point this year. It's like a car. Once you start having to make repairs on a regular basis, they seem to come more frequently.

 

[PosterNutBag]

My gut feeling on LT is that his demise has been greatly and prematurely exaggerated. I think he represents the best of the RBs that aren't already included in the consensus Top 4 (see my first post in this thread). Check out this thread as well if you are looking at some additional LT discussion. He certainly has risk, but I view it as less than the other RBs likely available at #5 this year (with a potentially gigantic upside based on past performance).

 

[GDogg]

I just can't take LT at # 5. Yes, if you look at the year end stats he put up solid numbers last year, but he clearly was not the same towards the end of the year (and I don't just mean when he was hurt on the bench, watching Sproles run wild). If I recall correctly a "healthy" LT couldn't do squat against the KC Chiefs down the stretch last year. He is at that 30 year old marker and he has had alot of wear and tear over the years.

Man does the # 5 pick suck this year. I've pretty much come up with reasons NOT to draft any one of Slaton, SJax, DWill, Gore, LT or Chris Johnson. I won't take Fitzy cause of the Madden curse and # 5 is just too early for Moss. My league has 6 points for passing TDs, and I am giving serious consideration now to forsaking Manning in round 2, and grabbing either Brees or Brady in the 1st round. I could see myself grabbing Brees at # 5, Ronnie Brown at # 20 and then perhaps Colston at # 29. Not a bad start--don't you think ?

He ran for 90+ yards in three of his last four games. I'm not counting the last game against Indy since he only ran the ball 5 times (for 25 yards - a 5 ypc average) before getting hurt in the First Quarter.He scored at least 1 TD in three of his last four games. I don't know if I'd say he didn't do "squat" against the Chiefs down the stretch. He did have 74 total yards and a TD. He was targeted 10 times in the passing game. He had 13.4 points in standard scoring leagues, 19.4 points in PPR leagues. That's a little more than "squat."

maybe so, but he did end the last TWO seasons on the bench, injured. Pretty sure there is another thread around speaking in detail of how LT has lost a step (or 2) and doesn't hit the holes the way he used to. I just have a feeling he gets hurt at some point this year. It's like a car. Once you start having to make repairs on a regular basis, they seem to come more frequently.

Ok, but that's a completely different argument than the one you made in your previous post.And, people are nothing like cars.

I don't know about your league, but my league awards points for how many yards, TD's, and receptions players get. They don't add or deduct points for how players look. LaDainian didn't look good for pretty much the whole season. However, he suffered Turf Toe in the first game of the season and, to me, that was the main reason he didn't look good. His cuts weren't sharp because he couldn't plant. I actually had LT on my team last season and watched every Chargers game. I'll freely admit that I wasn't terribly pleased with my #1 overall pick's production. Like I said, we know he was playing hurt.

We now have glowing reports coming out of Chargers TCs about how great he looks and how much Turner wants to get him the ball. That sounds good to me.

If you want to bank on him getting injured, then that's your prerogative, but I'm not sure that's a great rationale for passing on a player. ALL of these guys CAN get hurt. It's the NFL. These are giant men running very fast and smashing into each other.

 

[Keith1]

I just can't take LT at # 5. Yes, if you look at the year end stats he put up solid numbers last year, but he clearly was not the same towards the end of the year (and I don't just mean when he was hurt on the bench, watching Sproles run wild). If I recall correctly a "healthy" LT couldn't do squat against the KC Chiefs down the stretch last year. He is at that 30 year old marker and he has had alot of wear and tear over the years.

Man does the # 5 pick suck this year. I've pretty much come up with reasons NOT to draft any one of Slaton, SJax, DWill, Gore, LT or Chris Johnson. I won't take Fitzy cause of the Madden curse and # 5 is just too early for Moss. My league has 6 points for passing TDs, and I am giving serious consideration now to forsaking Manning in round 2, and grabbing either Brees or Brady in the 1st round. I could see myself grabbing Brees at # 5, Ronnie Brown at # 20 and then perhaps Colston at # 29. Not a bad start--don't you think ?

He ran for 90+ yards in three of his last four games. I'm not counting the last game against Indy since he only ran the ball 5 times (for 25 yards - a 5 ypc average) before getting hurt in the First Quarter.He scored at least 1 TD in three of his last four games. I don't know if I'd say he didn't do "squat" against the Chiefs down the stretch. He did have 74 total yards and a TD. He was targeted 10 times in the passing game. He had 13.4 points in standard scoring leagues, 19.4 points in PPR leagues. That's a little more than "squat."

maybe so, but he did end the last TWO seasons on the bench, injured. Pretty sure there is another thread around speaking in detail of how LT has lost a step (or 2) and doesn't hit the holes the way he used to. I just have a feeling he gets hurt at some point this year. It's like a car. Once you start having to make repairs on a regular basis, they seem to come more frequently.

Ok, but that's a completely different argument than the one you made in your previous post.And, people are nothing like cars.

I don't know about your league, but my league awards points for how many yards, TD's, and receptions players get. They don't add or deduct points for how players look. LaDainian didn't look good for pretty much the whole season. However, he suffered Turf Toe in the first game of the season and, to me, that was the main reason he didn't look good. His cuts weren't sharp because he couldn't plant. I actually had LT on my team last season and watched every Chargers game. I'll freely admit that I wasn't terribly pleased with my #1 overall pick's production. Like I said, we know he was playing hurt.

We now have glowing reports coming out of Chargers TCs about how great he looks and how much Turner wants to get him the ball. That sounds good to me.

If you want to bank on him getting injured, then that's your prerogative, but I'm not sure that's a great rationale for passing on a player. ALL of these guys CAN get hurt. It's the NFL. These are giant men running very fast and smashing into each other.

I don't know. The guy has hit 30 years of age, has a ton of mileage on him and has ended the season hurt the past 2 years. If those aren't warning signs for you, then by all means take LT. I'd rather take a guy on the upswing (like Slaton or Chris Johnson) than a guy on the down-swing who is starting to become injury-prone. Oh and my league does give points for how players look. Thanks for the advice.

 

[pantherclub]

I also have the 5th pick. I was torn between Slaton or Dwill (if he is there) but lately in some mocks I have gone 1-Fitz 2-Smith or Coltson 3-Bowe or Jennings. Then in the 4rth it seems like M Lynch is still around and the 5th Larry Johnson is there and the 6th Schaub or Palmer.

To me that seems like a lineup that can do a ton of damage. You pretty much are promised 3 studs at wr and RB's in the first is a crapshoot anyway. By my count only 4 out of the preseason top 10 finished in the top 10.

 

[Keith1]

I also have the 5th pick. I was torn between Slaton or Dwill (if he is there) but lately in some mocks I have gone 1-Fitz 2-Smith or Coltson 3-Bowe or Jennings. Then in the 4rth it seems like M Lynch is still around and the 5th Larry Johnson is there and the 6th Schaub or Palmer.To me that seems like a lineup that can do a ton of damage. You pretty much are promised 3 studs at wr and RB's in the first is a crapshoot anyway. By my count only 4 out of the preseason top 10 finished in the top 10.

I think Jennings would go in the 2nd (at pick # 20) and then Colston maybe makes it to the 3rd (at pick # 29). I am scared of Fitzy because he is just so set up for a let-down after last year's playoffs, his 36 year old QB is not 100% healthy (and before last year never seemed to survive a season), he has a stud on the other side of him in Boldin, he is on the cover of every damn fantasy mag out there, and of course the Madden Curse.

 

[pantherclub]

I also have the 5th pick. I was torn between Slaton or Dwill (if he is there) but lately in some mocks I have gone 1-Fitz 2-Smith or Coltson 3-Bowe or Jennings. Then in the 4rth it seems like M Lynch is still around and the 5th Larry Johnson is there and the 6th Schaub or Palmer.To me that seems like a lineup that can do a ton of damage. You pretty much are promised 3 studs at wr and RB's in the first is a crapshoot anyway. By my count only 4 out of the preseason top 10 finished in the top 10.

I think Jennings would go in the 2nd (at pick # 20) and then Colston maybe makes it to the 3rd (at pick # 29). I am scared of Fitzy because he is just so set up for a let-down after last year's playoffs, his 36 year old QB is not 100% healthy (and before last year never seemed to survive a season), he has a stud on the other side of him in Boldin, he is on the cover of every damn fantasy mag out there, and of course the Madden Curse.

So what do you think about the wr wr wr theory out of the 5 hole. I think this is the only spot that it could work.

 

[GoBigRed]

I also have the 5th pick. I was torn between Slaton or Dwill (if he is there) but lately in some mocks I have gone 1-Fitz 2-Smith or Coltson 3-Bowe or Jennings. Then in the 4rth it seems like M Lynch is still around and the 5th Larry Johnson is there and the 6th Schaub or Palmer.

To me that seems like a lineup that can do a ton of damage. You pretty much are promised 3 studs at wr and RB's in the first is a crapshoot anyway. By my count only 4 out of the preseason top 10 finished in the top 10.

I think Jennings would go in the 2nd (at pick # 20) and then Colston maybe makes it to the 3rd (at pick # 29). I am scared of Fitzy because he is just so set up for a let-down after last year's playoffs, his 36 year old QB is not 100% healthy (and before last year never seemed to survive a season), he has a stud on the other side of him in Boldin, he is on the cover of every damn fantasy mag out there, and of course the Madden Curse.

So what do you think about the wr wr wr theory out of the 5 hole. I think this is the only spot that it could work.

This is something I'm really considering. I realize you can find fault with just about any player if you look hard enough, but I just seem to find a few more with the backs at this spot (LT, S-Jax, D-Will, Slaton, CJ) than I do with the stud WR's. Plus, I think there is a lot of potential/value to be had in RB's in the later rounds. Guys like LJ, J-Stew, Beanie, Shon Greene, Michael Bush can be had in the 4th or later. Combine a couple of those guys with something like AJ/Fitz, Wayne/Jennings, & Bowe/Welker in the first 3 rounds, and I think you've got a VERY solid team.

 

[Keith1]

I also have the 5th pick. I was torn between Slaton or Dwill (if he is there) but lately in some mocks I have gone 1-Fitz 2-Smith or Coltson 3-Bowe or Jennings. Then in the 4rth it seems like M Lynch is still around and the 5th Larry Johnson is there and the 6th Schaub or Palmer.

To me that seems like a lineup that can do a ton of damage. You pretty much are promised 3 studs at wr and RB's in the first is a crapshoot anyway. By my count only 4 out of the preseason top 10 finished in the top 10.

I think Jennings would go in the 2nd (at pick # 20) and then Colston maybe makes it to the 3rd (at pick # 29). I am scared of Fitzy because he is just so set up for a let-down after last year's playoffs, his 36 year old QB is not 100% healthy (and before last year never seemed to survive a season), he has a stud on the other side of him in Boldin, he is on the cover of every damn fantasy mag out there, and of course the Madden Curse.

So what do you think about the wr wr wr theory out of the 5 hole. I think this is the only spot that it could work.

This is something I'm really considering. I realize you can find fault with just about any player if you look hard enough, but I just seem to find a few more with the backs at this spot (LT, S-Jax, D-Will, Slaton, CJ) than I do with the stud WR's. Plus, I think there is a lot of potential/value to be had in RB's in the later rounds. Guys like LJ, J-Stew, Beanie, Shon Greene, Michael Bush can be had in the 4th or later. Combine a couple of those guys with something like AJ/Fitz, Wayne/Jennings, & Bowe/Welker in the first 3 rounds, and I think you've got a VERY solid team.

nobody scared of Fitzy ? Andre doesn't score enough TDs (IMHO) to take at # 5. What about Moss ?

 

[RoxSolid]

Call me crazy, but I'm in a 10 team, non-PPR league (although combined yardage/funky yardage system) and I'm taking Jacobs at #5. I know he won't make it back to me because the guy picking #10 loves him. Is he a little brittle? Yes, but so is Jackson. Is he in a RBBC? Ehh, maybe, but it can't be worse than when Ward was around.

I just think that the guy plays on a good team behind a very solid offensive line. He has averaged 5.0 YPC in both years as a starter and scored 15 times last year in 13 games. I'll take that production and hope to snag Bradshaw as a handcuff later.

I see him finishing at 1350/18 this year with 10/110 receiving.

 

[Keith1]

Call me crazy, but I'm in a 10 team, non-PPR league (although combined yardage/funky yardage system) and I'm taking Jacobs at #5. I know he won't make it back to me because the guy picking #10 loves him. Is he a little brittle? Yes, but so is Jackson. Is he in a RBBC? Ehh, maybe, but it can't be worse than when Ward was around. I just think that the guy plays on a good team behind a very solid offensive line. He has averaged 5.0 YPC in both years as a starter and scored 15 times last year in 13 games. I'll take that production and hope to snag Bradshaw as a handcuff later. I see him finishing at 1350/18 this year with 10/110 receiving.

now THAT'S bold. I had Jacobs last year (and I am a Giants fan) so I loved having him. He is an absolute beast. It was maddening to see Ward trot out there every 3rd series. I have to say, with all my indecisiveness on the various RBs, I may go QB. Looking forward to seeing Brady in preseason.

 

[GDogg]

I just can't take LT at # 5. Yes, if you look at the year end stats he put up solid numbers last year, but he clearly was not the same towards the end of the year (and I don't just mean when he was hurt on the bench, watching Sproles run wild). If I recall correctly a "healthy" LT couldn't do squat against the KC Chiefs down the stretch last year. He is at that 30 year old marker and he has had alot of wear and tear over the years.

Man does the # 5 pick suck this year. I've pretty much come up with reasons NOT to draft any one of Slaton, SJax, DWill, Gore, LT or Chris Johnson. I won't take Fitzy cause of the Madden curse and # 5 is just too early for Moss. My league has 6 points for passing TDs, and I am giving serious consideration now to forsaking Manning in round 2, and grabbing either Brees or Brady in the 1st round. I could see myself grabbing Brees at # 5, Ronnie Brown at # 20 and then perhaps Colston at # 29. Not a bad start--don't you think ?

He ran for 90+ yards in three of his last four games. I'm not counting the last game against Indy since he only ran the ball 5 times (for 25 yards - a 5 ypc average) before getting hurt in the First Quarter.He scored at least 1 TD in three of his last four games. I don't know if I'd say he didn't do "squat" against the Chiefs down the stretch. He did have 74 total yards and a TD. He was targeted 10 times in the passing game. He had 13.4 points in standard scoring leagues, 19.4 points in PPR leagues. That's a little more than "squat."

maybe so, but he did end the last TWO seasons on the bench, injured. Pretty sure there is another thread around speaking in detail of how LT has lost a step (or 2) and doesn't hit the holes the way he used to. I just have a feeling he gets hurt at some point this year. It's like a car. Once you start having to make repairs on a regular basis, they seem to come more frequently.

Ok, but that's a completely different argument than the one you made in your previous post.And, people are nothing like cars.

I don't know about your league, but my league awards points for how many yards, TD's, and receptions players get. They don't add or deduct points for how players look. LaDainian didn't look good for pretty much the whole season. However, he suffered Turf Toe in the first game of the season and, to me, that was the main reason he didn't look good. His cuts weren't sharp because he couldn't plant. I actually had LT on my team last season and watched every Chargers game. I'll freely admit that I wasn't terribly pleased with my #1 overall pick's production. Like I said, we know he was playing hurt.

We now have glowing reports coming out of Chargers TCs about how great he looks and how much Turner wants to get him the ball. That sounds good to me.

If you want to bank on him getting injured, then that's your prerogative, but I'm not sure that's a great rationale for passing on a player. ALL of these guys CAN get hurt. It's the NFL. These are giant men running very fast and smashing into each other.

I don't know. The guy has hit 30 years of age, has a ton of mileage on him and has ended the season hurt the past 2 years. If those aren't warning signs for you, then by all means take LT. I'd rather take a guy on the upswing (like Slaton or Chris Johnson) than a guy on the down-swing who is starting to become injury-prone. Oh and my league does give points for how players look. Thanks for the advice.

I didn't give you any advice.

 

[Masked Vigilante]

Oh and my league does give points for how players look. Thanks for the advice.

I didn't give you any advice.

 

[kingmalaki]

There isn't much love for S.Jackson? The consensous top 4 seem to be AP, MJD, Turner & Forte. What don't y'all like about S.Jax? The staff here seems really high on him, and really down on Forte for some reason. Is it the injury concerns?