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***Official Academy Awards Discussion Thread*** - Anora is the Big Winner (1 Viewer)

Ghost Rider said:
Yeah, and a friend I have had for over 30 years ran a local comedy forum for over 10 years and got some pretty big names in there at times and thinks this whole thing is nothing, but I do not play the "Yeah, but I have a friend who says this, that and the other" in every thread you like do.  

But, by all means take the side of the guy who assaulted someone on live TV. 
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Boomer mentality at best. Comedy has changed. People need to get with the program and stop living in the past. What was fine 3O yrs ago sometimes isn't fine now. People just don't like the accountability aspect of this. 

Rock is lucky all he got was slapped. Some other guy he gets punched. Make that joke about Beyounce nd Jay Z  might have a 9MM instead to deal with for him. You don't disrespect a man's family especially his wife. Comedians think they are excepted from the rules when they aren't and use the "it's part of the act" constantly. Chris Rock made a cheap joke to get cheap laughs in poor taste. It's no different then the white comedian dropping the N bomb in his jokes and someone confronting him. He goes "It's part of the act". 

 
Ghost Rider said:
Exactly, but this is where we are now.  Everyone is offended by something, so no matter what you say, someone is bothered by it.  Had Rock gone after the Smiths for their open marriage stuff, that would have been a bit over the line, even though it would have been fair game since they have put it all out there for everyone to know about it, but, again, I suspect Rock thought the hair joke was fairly harmless, which it should have been. 
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People deal with issues differently. Some people can take a joke about their issues others can't. Jada was pretty open about the mental and physical issues she had dealing this and something like a joke even if some deam it "harmless" she might. Besides who are people to say it's harmless when others might get offended? You don't know them or control their feelings. Jada was off limits period. If Rock at Joked about Will Smith and left his wife out of it I think nothing happens. 

 
chet said:
Your personal situation isn't the same as Jada's.  She's a public figure and jokes and criticism about her are fair game. 
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Public figures are human being too with feelings. Honestly sick of this crap that because they are public figures mean we can do whatever to them. The media and paparazzi are awful. I watched a documentary series that TNT is starting to do on famous cases starting this summer. They put out the first one as a preview which was the Pam and Tommy Sex tape. Seeing friends and people they know interviewed the paparazzi and media don't give a dam about any of these celebs, musicians etc being public figures. Trying to get intimate shots of these people in their private homes etc. 

Yeah they know what they signed up for but they don't need the ignorance and deserve their privacy as much as we do. Let me follow you for a month and publicly document your day to day including personal and family life. let me know how you feel after that. You probably won't like it and feel exactly how some of these celebs feel. fans and people wonder why some of them act like #######s to people and thats why. There's a few semi famous people who shop in my store including Eagles Center Jason Kelce. However everyone respects their privacy and doesn't act like a jack wagon around them. The press is who killed Princess Diana and really should've been charged for it honestly. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Boomer mentality at best. Comedy has changed. People need to get with the program and stop living in the past. What was fine 3O yrs ago sometimes isn't fine now. People just don't like the accountability aspect of this. 

Rock is lucky all he got was slapped. Some other guy he gets punched. Make that joke about Beyounce nd Jay Z  might have a 9MM instead to deal with for him. You don't disrespect a man's family especially his wife. Comedians think they are excepted from the rules when they aren't and use the "it's part of the act" constantly. Chris Rock made a cheap joke to get cheap laughs in poor taste. It's no different then the white comedian dropping the N bomb in his jokes and someone confronting him. He goes "It's part of the act". 
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... If my eyes rolled any farther they would drop out of my head

 
chet said:
Oh bull####™.  How are people supposed to talk/argue/joke if they are precluded from saying anything that might offend anyone.
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Uh Will Smith told him respectively yrs ago to keep his wife's name out of his mouth. You should respect that especially a comedian so there fore Jada was off limits. You can't hide behind it's comedy every time. It's a copout to not hold one accountable for their actions. Again something that was ok to joke about 25 yrs ago isn't always going to be ok now. People and society change for the better. It's unfortunate some people can't see that and see it more as inconveniencing them and being ignorant to that change. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Uh Will Smith told him respectively yrs ago to keep his wife's name out of his mouth. You should respect that especially a comedian so there fore Jada was off limits. You can't hide behind it's comedy every time. It's a copout to not hold one accountable for their actions. Again something that was ok to joke about 25 yrs ago isn't always going to be ok now. People and society change for the better. It's unfortunate some people can't see that and see it more as inconveniencing them and being ignorant to that change. 
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NEWSFLASH:  celebrities aren't allowed to censor other celebrities.  I agree 100% that people should be held accountable for their actions and that's why I am dismayed that Will Smith isn't being charged for assault.

 
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DJackson10 said:
I don't mind people roasting others in a respectful manner. However this crossed the line. This was a guy making a joke about someone else's condition that he was told by another man not to joke about his wife and she was off limits. As a comedian Chris Rock should know that rule well. He hasn't been funny in years and in the past 6-8 yrs as subjected himself using old issues and personally attacking certain people. it's not that funny and this definitely crossed the line. Rock was trying to get some cheap laughs at the expense of someone who he knows came out publicly about 4 yrs ago stating the mental and physical stress they've went through. This was after he was told to keep said person out of his jokes. 

I do think this will make people question the jokes now but I don't think this will completely stop them. Chris Rock wasn't using good humor in this regard. 
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come on, that was about as benign a joke as you’re gonna get, so much so it was lame and not funny. Jada is a public personality, just like Will. If he had joked about a spouse not in the public eye, I’d agree. Rock could have really lit into them, he didn’t. 

 
rockaction said:
That says a lot about our tastes and who we're giving our money to, doesn't it? It also reflects a mentality completely at odds with tolerance, peace, and laughter. 
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I'm not suggesting that happen to Rock by any means. Just saying he's lucky  a slap is all we are talking about. Rappers in the 9Os and small disrespect got you a target and possible drive by. It's the era Jay Z grew up in. There's others celebrities and so fourth who would've punched him instead. I was simple saying I think Rock was lucky thats all he got and should consider himself fortunate it was Will Smith and not someone else. 

Its like what we say about my one coworker. He has no filter. We live in a pretty good area. Had he been in a store in the city not as nice there's people who'd get really offended by him and he'd be lucky he was going home not in a body bag. thats what I wassaying. 

As for the type of people we have tastes in and all it really does. Theres people who don't realize the abuse especially women get physically and emotionally in Hollywood. What happens to child actors etc. This isn't some Q Conspiracy I'm talking about more so in terms of METOO and Harvey Weinstine and the such. But people don't care unless it's in front of them. Similar to how most brushed the Ray Rice situation off until they saw the video. 

I've been around some famous people in my life and heard stories about others. It's definitely true to an extent the saying of "Never meet your heroes because you might be disappointed." There's a few artist/celebs I use to like until I've heard opinions on things I really didn't think were appropriate and no longer support. Athletes as well. But yes it does says alot who we are willing to support. I blame our media and the government as a whole for that. But we could really go into a whole topic on this for another thread even get political with it if we wanted to else where. 

 
chet said:
If your husband saw your eye roll, he'd be justified in slapping you--at least according to DJackson10.
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Honestly I wasn't the one who suggested slapping their own wife earlier in this thread someone else did. I'd never suggest a man hitting a woman though. 

 
chet said:
NEWSFLASH:  celebrities aren't allowed to censor other celebrities.  I agree 100% that people should be held accountable for their actions and that's why I am dismayed that Will Smith isn't being charged for assault.
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I explained this earlier celebs get off with a slap of the wrist. however I also said I don't think Rock pressed charges because he knew he himself messed up and pressing charges would just have people digging through his past. I think at this point Rock wants to just lay low and let this go away before his next big thing starts. Like I said earlier if I'm his pR and Legal and knowing the content that Chris Rock has used in his past I would suggest he lay low instead of giving people the opportunity to bring up his negatives. 

 
DJackson10 said:
I explained this earlier celebs get off with a slap of the wrist. however I also said I don't think Rock pressed charges because he knew he himself messed up and pressing charges would just have people digging through his past. I think at this point Rock wants to just lay low and let this go away before his next big thing starts. Like I said earlier if I'm his pR and Legal and knowing the content that Chris Rock has used in his past I would suggest he lay low instead of giving people the opportunity to bring up his negatives. 
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You couldn’t be more wrong in this entire thread. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
Or, at worst, if he absolutely feels like he HAS to do something, simply walk on stage, grab the mic, and address it with his words. Something like

“It takes a small man to make fun of a woman who lost her hair to a medical condition. What’s even sadder is that you even produced a movie all about how important hair is to a black woman and yet you still did this. You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to take a cheap shot to humiliate a black woman like this.”
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I keep picturing him doing this while the screen behind him replays his laughing at the joke before he decided it was sad and offensive.

 
AAABatteries said:
I don’t understand- why did he apologize for a staged altercation?
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I'll admit, at first, his apology confused even me.  I thought maybe I was wrong about this being staged, and then I remembered: Will Smith is the fifth black man to win the Oscar for best actor.  He used five fingers to slap Chris Rock on the cheek (five letters).  Look at his apology. I've bolded the fifth word in every sentence.

Violence in all of its forms is poisonous and destructive. My behavior at last night’s Academy Awards was unacceptable and inexcusable. Jokes at my expense are a part of the job, but a joke about Jada’s medical condition was too much for me to bear and I reacted emotionally.

I would like to publicly apologize to you, Chris. I was out of line and I was wrong. I am embarrassed and my actions were not indicative of the man I want to be. There is no place for violence in a world of love and kindness.  
 
I would also like to apologize to the Academy, the producers of the show, all the attendees and everyone watching around the world. I would like to apologize to the Williams Family and my King Richard Family. I deeply regret that my behavior has stained what has been an otherwise gorgeous journey for all of us.
 
I am a work in progress.
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its night's are publicly line my for to apologize my in...Its my line to publicly apologize. My night's are in for...

Do you see what this means? 

 
Caveman33 said:
I'll admit, at first, his apology confused even me.  I thought maybe I was wrong about this being staged, and then I remembered: Will Smith is the fifth black man to win the Oscar for best actor.  He used five fingers to slap Chris Rock on the cheek (five letters).  Look at his apology. I've bolded the fifth word in every sentence.

its night's are publicly line my for to apologize my in...Its my line to publicly apologize. My night's are in for...

Do you see what this means? 
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Seemed obvious to me when I first read it...

 
Caveman33 said:
I'll admit, at first, his apology confused even me.  I thought maybe I was wrong about this being staged, and then I remembered: Will Smith is the fifth black man to win the Oscar for best actor.  He used five fingers to slap Chris Rock on the cheek (five letters).  Look at his apology. I've bolded the fifth word in every sentence.

its night's are publicly line my for to apologize my in...Its my line to publicly apologize. My night's are in for...

Do you see what this means? 
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Thanks for this.

Lost my decoder ring longgg ago

 
identikit said:
Caveman33 said:
I'll admit, at first, his apology confused even me.  I thought maybe I was wrong about this being staged, and then I remembered: Will Smith is the fifth black man to win the Oscar for best actor.  He used five fingers to slap Chris Rock on the cheek (five letters).  Look at his apology. I've bolded the fifth word in every sentence.

its night's are publicly line my for to apologize my in...Its my line to publicly apologize. My night's are in for...

Do you see what this means? 
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Thanks for this.

Lost my decoder ring longgg ago
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"be sure to drink your..."

whoa, The General must still have his pin he sent away for:

The General said:
Is Rock going to do a set on Ovaltine next?
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DJackson10 said:
I saw the movie back in the day when they played it on TV like USA Network or whatever. However my generation and others have been using GI Jane as an insult to people for awhile. Like your momma jokes and other things. So no it hasn't been deemed as a compliment for awhile.

Also people forget I believe Chris Rock made a joke at another awards show back in 16" that was kind of over the line. Will Smith told him after the fact to please keep his wife and his personal business out of his jokes as they deemed it inappropriate at the time considering many didn't know about some of the issues going on. So it's not the joke itself as much as it's the fact Will Smith had asked him awhile back to refrain from jokes about his wife. Don't think people are taking that into account here unless they don't know about it already 
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BS.  You boycott the show because of your own self importance around not being nominated and you are going to get roasted.  The difference was those 2 jokes were funny in 2016. This one wasn’t. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Boomer mentality at best. Comedy has changed. People need to get with the program and stop living in the past. What was fine 3O yrs ago sometimes isn't fine now. People just don't like the accountability aspect of this. 

Rock is lucky all he got was slapped. Some other guy he gets punched. Make that joke about Beyounce nd Jay Z  might have a 9MM instead to deal with for him. You don't disrespect a man's family especially his wife. Comedians think they are excepted from the rules when they aren't and use the "it's part of the act" constantly. Chris Rock made a cheap joke to get cheap laughs in poor taste. It's no different then the white comedian dropping the N bomb in his jokes and someone confronting him. He goes "It's part of the act". 
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Oh I it’s 1,000X different than a white comedian dropping the N Bomb. What a terrible analogy.  

 
DJackson10 said:
I explained this earlier celebs get off with a slap of the wrist. however I also said I don't think Rock pressed charges because he knew he himself messed up and pressing charges would just have people digging through his past. I think at this point Rock wants to just lay low and let this go away before his next big thing starts. Like I said earlier if I'm his pR and Legal and knowing the content that Chris Rock has used in his past I would suggest he lay low instead of giving people the opportunity to bring up his negatives. 
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You're justifying illegal physical violence in response to a joke.  

 
DJackson10 said:
Honestly I wasn't the one who suggested slapping their own wife earlier in this thread someone else did. I'd never suggest a man hitting a woman though. 
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But you are the one suggesting physical violence over a joke is acceptable.  Not sure if you know this but it’s possible that Chris Rock is a jerk for making the joke* and Smith is an ####### for his response - not to mention he should be criminally charged.  Both can be true.

*jokes about hair loss have been fine for decades.  Seems like it’s up for debate whether Chris knew - I assume he did but who knows.  But even if he did that may make him a jerk in some minds but it still doesn’t justify violence.

 
It’s amazing how much the world has changed in the last 40 years.  Back when I was growing up it was a sign of love when you poked fun at someone.  My crowd was brutal.  Nothing was off limits.  One of the guys in our crew got into a bad car accident and had limited use of his arms and even that was joked about.  The fattest guy in our class used to tell fat jokes about himself.  He was hilarious.  I’m not saying that world was better or worse than today’s world, just saying it was different.  Very different.

 
Pretty crazy that Venus Williams had a wardrobe malfunction and exposed a nipple on live tv and nobody is even talking about it because Will Smith assaulting Chris Rock is 10 times crazier. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
Pretty crazy that Venus Williams had a wardrobe malfunction and exposed a nipple on live tv and nobody is even talking about it because Will Smith assaulting Chris Rock is 10 times crazier. 
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It's crazy that there are people who think everyone gets offended too easily, but I better not see any nipples

 
DJackson10 said:
Joking about her having no hair is do to that illness though. You can argue semantics all you want. Either way Rock was asked in the past to not joke about the guys wife and he did. I think that's why Rock reacted the way he did after and then tried to make light of the situation. 

My customer who is a talent buyer has done numerous comedy events from Carlin, to Sandler, Kevin James, Chris Rock, Saget etc etc etc over the yrs. The event promoter tells my guy what appropriate material and non appropriate material they can use during the show depending on the event. I forget the comedian but he had a story about how he told a comedian to not use his more provocative material. I think it was MacDonald If my memory is write. Mcdonald's first skit is about his most inappropriate promoter stopped the showed and booted him and refused to pay him. 

In any case Rock should've refrained from Talking about Jada period. 
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He is a comedian.   How many times do you think they are asked not to joke about something?  If they listened to people that much, they'd be out of a job because there will always be somebody out there offended or telling him not to say something.  

Also, I'm sorry - but the level of fame these people have comes with good and bad.   The bad is that you might have very little privacy.   I say might because there are huge stars out there where we no #### all about their lives because they choose to live that way (Matt Damon comes to mind).   The Smiths don't live that way, so there is that mixed into the situation, and IMO part of that can be controlled, so it's also a weird thing to ##### about.  

Like I said before - IMO Jada choosing to rock that hairstyle shows that while she has stated she struggled with this in the past, I think it takes a certain level of acceptance and self confidence to do that vs. either not attend or wear a wig which they certainly have the ability to do.   I don't think it was a great joke, but I also think that Rock's talking during the time when the audio cut out points to him probably wanting to take a shot at the Smiths, could've gone way meaner, but landed on a dumb GI Jane joke.  

 
DJackson10 said:
That's a copout. She went on her social media and posted a video in 2O18 about it and the struggles she was having mentally and physically with it. 
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I am sure there are a lot of people who don't cling to social media or follow what the Smiths are talking about.    Chris Rock might be one of those people who has better things to do, it's certainly within the realm of possibilities.  

 
DJackson10 said:
Boomer mentality at best. Comedy has changed. People need to get with the program and stop living in the past. What was fine 3O yrs ago sometimes isn't fine now. People just don't like the accountability aspect of this. 

Rock is lucky all he got was slapped. Some other guy he gets punched. Make that joke about Beyounce nd Jay Z  might have a 9MM instead to deal with for him. You don't disrespect a man's family especially his wife. Comedians think they are excepted from the rules when they aren't and use the "it's part of the act" constantly. Chris Rock made a cheap joke to get cheap laughs in poor taste. It's no different then the white comedian dropping the N bomb in his jokes and someone confronting him. He goes "It's part of the act". 
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Boomer Mentality.  :lol:   We are all mostly within 5 years of each other around here.  

 
DJackson10 said:
Boomer mentality at best. Comedy has changed. People need to get with the program and stop living in the past. What was fine 3O yrs ago sometimes isn't fine now. People just don't like the accountability aspect of this. 
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Lol.  Oh brother.  You have NO IDEA what it was like growing up in the 60s and 70s when fights were commonplace.  There were rules and everyone knew them.  I thought everyone grew up like that and 'knew the rules'.  

Will Smith is a punk.  He walked up to a much smaller man with his ARMS BEHIND HIS BACK showing zero aggression in front of a huge crowd and attacked him.  

Children fight, at some point you stop because you grow up and realize that you don't want to hurt anyone.  Any adult fight is humiliating.  No one looks good if two angry ADULT idiots throw down.  Will attacked a much smaller person who showed no signs of aggression. 

Talk about accountability, he wouldn't have gotten away with it back in the day.  You have no idea.

 
Harry Frogfish said:
Holy cow, you can say that again.

Love that he's from Philly, and that deep-down, he's going to the mat for ... Will Smith ... after an assault.  Hilarious.

I wonder if Chris Rock should go to HR about this.
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I didn't even think about that, but I guess we shouldn't be surprised that the Philly guy is taking the "it is okay to assault someone if they told a joke you didn't like" stance. :lol:   

I am sure the Philly peeps will charge in and tell us we are mean, and I am sure they'd want to punch us in the face if they saw us in real life because that is how they do it, but too often they really do live up, or in this case down, to their reputation. 

 
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Bracie Smathers said:
Lol.  Oh brother.  You have NO IDEA what it was like growing up in the 60s and 70s when fights were commonplace.  There were rules and everyone knew them.  I thought everyone grew up like that and 'knew the rules'.  

Will Smith is a punk.  He walked up to a much smaller man with his ARMS BEHIND HIS BACK showing zero aggression in front of a huge crowd and attacked him.  

Children fight, at some point you stop because you grow up and realize that you don't want to hurt anyone.  Any adult fight is humiliating.  No one looks good if two angry ADULT idiots throw down.  Will attacked a much smaller person who showed no signs of aggression. 

Talk about accountability, he wouldn't have gotten away with it back in the day.  You have no idea.
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Well said.  And I think we have to give props once again to how well Chris Rock handled the situation.  Had that been a different celeb, they might have struck back or shown some aggression and who knows how the situation could have gone, but Rock, while a bit taken aback and stunned, shrugged it off pretty well and kept his wits about him and carried on with the show.  That, my friends, was professionalism. 

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
why are some people (not necessarily on this board, just in general) acting like Alopecia is some horrible disease?

It's hair loss.  It doesn't make you sick.  People lose hair all the time for many different reasons.  

Also, there is no evidence Rock even knew she had it.  Even if he did who cares. 
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Life threatening no.

But full head of hair to completely bald kind of sucks, especially for a woman

 
belljr said:
Life threatening no.

But full head of hair to completely bald kind of sucks, especially for a woman
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Also have to keep in mind that this was also very much about the Oscars a couple years ago. Jada boycotted for the #OscarsSoWhite thing. Rock made a joke that it’s not a boycott when you weren’t invited in the first place. Jada and Will took deep offense to that and I guess there has been some beef between them for a couple years. 

 
Ilov80s said:
Also have to keep in mind that this was also very much about the Oscars a couple years ago. Jada boycotted for the #OscarsSoWhite thing. Rock made a joke that it’s not a boycott when you weren’t invited in the first place. Jada and Will took deep offense to that and I guess there has been some beef between them for a couple years. 
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I wasn't defending will was just replying to the comment about the disease.

Eta: my mom has it and they were never able to treat it. Took her a long time being comfortable being bald

 
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