Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
The Baltimore team vs. the former Baltimore team.....
Enjoy.
Enjoy.
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***Official*** AFC Divisional Playoff Game Thread (1 Viewer)
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purestrength
Footballguy
Let's get this party started.
Peyton is going to b*tch-slap Ray Ray all over the field.
Peyton is going to b*tch-slap Ray Ray all over the field.
purestrength
Footballguy
OK, maybe not b*tch-slap. But Peyton's going to politely maneuver his team around Mr. Lewis and into the end zone frequently enough to win this game.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I'll update on the weather and such as kickoff nears.
Expected to be cold and 50% chance of precip - but not snow.
Expected to be cold and 50% chance of precip - but not snow.
Tabasco Red
Footballguy
I doubt Ray gets a shot at Peyton tomorrow.Bart Scott, AD, Suggs, Price, and Reed will though.Ind 10Bal 31 Final2 Def TD's
diesel7982
Footballguy
Current update is mid 50s and 70% chance light rain.
Great segment on SportsCenter about the reaction of Baltimore football fans to today's game with the "Indy Colts." Great shots of JohnnyU, Raymond Berry, Lenny Moore and Alan Ameche plus rehashing of the gut-level feelings that still remain from the "move in the middle of the night."
Hope that Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Addai & team have a good game today, and no offense to the Indy fans. But if there is any justice, the game will include a Bill Buckner-type event that gives the victory to the Ravens. Even more than the Baltimore defense, the Colts will have to overcome a whole lot of bad karma. I predict the "Curse of Irsay" will prevail again. If the "Curse of the Bambino" kept the Red Sox from winning a World Series for almost 90 years, I can't imagine how long it will be before the Indy Colts win a SuperBowl.
Go Ravens!
Hope that Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Addai & team have a good game today, and no offense to the Indy fans. But if there is any justice, the game will include a Bill Buckner-type event that gives the victory to the Ravens. Even more than the Baltimore defense, the Colts will have to overcome a whole lot of bad karma. I predict the "Curse of Irsay" will prevail again. If the "Curse of the Bambino" kept the Red Sox from winning a World Series for almost 90 years, I can't imagine how long it will be before the Indy Colts win a SuperBowl.
Go Ravens!
This was posted in a different thread by the above Indy fan:
If you're just kidding or this is just trash talk, then no problem. But if you're serious, then you're mistaken and have no respect for or understanding of NFL history. IMO, Unitas is one of the 5 best QBs of all time. I challenge you to refute that assertion, or to argue that Manning is one of the 5 best QBs of all time.Maybe Manning will approach Unitas' legacy if he continues playing at his current level for another 8-10 years and wins a couple SuperBowls, but right now he's not qualified to hold JohnnyU's jock (plus he has demonstrated a strong tendency to choke in big games -- Unitas was always at his best in big games).
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Ok, on to trash-talkin'I think it will be an extremely close game. The Ravens are favored by 4 because of home field advantage and because they have the best defense in the AFC. However, they will likely struggle to put points on the board and may need to rely on one or more defensive TDs for enough points to outscore Indy -- always a risky situation.Indy has several obstacles to overcome, IMO. These include:1. Not playing at home or in a dome - Indy always plays significantly better at home, plus the weather may be wet and definitely worse for Indy than playing in a dome controlled environment.2. Crowd noise - I predict the crowd noise will exceed 102 db and set a new record (including domes) before the game, and it will continue at that level whenever Indy has the ball.3. The "Curse of Irsay" - explained in above post, Indy will need to overcome a lot of bad karma.But Indy's biggest obstacle, IMO, is Manning. In big games, the great QBs (Montana, Unitas, etc.) always rose to the occasion and played their best football in the biggest games -- the ultimate field generals. To date, Manning has wilted in big games. First he gets this blank-stare look like he's in a dream. Then when the game gets down to the brass tacks, he gets nervous and makes bad decisions and doesn't come through with big game-winning plays. When it's obvious the game has been lost, he gets this expression on his face like he's going to cry -- like he wants to run to his Mommy and Daddy and have them console him. Unless he rises to the occasion in this game, Indy will lose.Go Ravens!
The_Man
Footballguy
why do people think the Ravens will struggle to points on the board?
Since Billick took over the playcalling after Week 6, the Ravens have scored 243 points -- 13 fewer than Indy over that same period.
Why do people think the Colts, who are 0-4 in their last 4 road games have struggled vs. the 3-4, are going to thrive in Baltimore, where the Ravens have the best home record in the NFL since 2000?
I think the Colts' only chance is to hit some long TDs on double moves to their WRs. Otherwise, I don't think it's going to be close.
Since Billick took over the playcalling after Week 6, the Ravens have scored 243 points -- 13 fewer than Indy over that same period.
Why do people think the Colts, who are 0-4 in their last 4 road games have struggled vs. the 3-4, are going to thrive in Baltimore, where the Ravens have the best home record in the NFL since 2000?
I think the Colts' only chance is to hit some long TDs on double moves to their WRs. Otherwise, I don't think it's going to be close.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
No dog in the fight, but here's Peyton Manning's post-season stats:Year Opp Result | CMP ATT PYD PTD INT | RSH YD TD
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
1999 ten L,16-19 | 19 43 227 0 0 | 2 22 1
2000 mia L,17-23 | 17 32 194 1 0 | 1 -2 0
2002 nyj L,0-41 | 14 31 137 0 2 | 1 2 0
2003 den W,41-10 | 22 26 377 5 0 | 1 0 0
2003 kan W,38-31 | 22 30 304 3 0 | 1 -1 0
2003 nwe L,14-24 | 23 47 237 1 4| 2 4 0
2004 den W,49-24 | 27 33 457 4 1 | 1 1 1
2004 nwe L,3-20 | 27 42 238 0 1 | 1 6 0
2005 pit L,18-21 | 22 38 290 1 0 | 0 0 0
2006 kan W,23-8 | 30 38 268 1 3| 2 -2 0
---------------------+--------------------------+-----------------
TOTAL | 223 360 2729 16 11 | 12 30 2
If you want to talk about team leadership, then I might listen. A 4-6 playoff record would lend credence to that argument. I would say that the losses in '99 to Tennessee, '03 and '04 to New England and in '05 to Pittsburgh were all to the eventual AFC champions.
However, if you're making the case that he's going to put up a bad statistical game, the stats beg to differ. PM has only two 2+ interception games (bolded above and one of which was last week and two of those were by old nemesis Ty Law). Plus, with the exception of the two bolded game lines above, he's thrown for at least 225 yards.
I can see Manning having a great game or just sucking out loud. I'm not a Manning apologist or fan, I'm only saying you might want to back up your "blank-stare look" statement with some facts.
I don't know what you are talking about to be honest with you. The only playoff games that Peyton Manning has played well in was the 3 wild card games at home and the second round game against the Chiefs in 2003. As the stakes increase he folds and that's hard to argue.If you look at the teams playoff losses Peyton usually had either his worst game of the year or at best arguably one of his top 2-3 worst games of the year. And the big thing here is everyone blames the Colts D but the truth is the Colts have not lost one singlee offensive shootout under Manning but instead have put up 16, 17, 0, 14, 3 and 18 points in the losses. That's 11.33 points per game. And stats don't tell the whole story. His stats against the Steelers last year while not great were not horrible. But he failed to move the team and worse he melted down at the end and failed to advance the team into the end zone or set up a shorter attempt for Vanderjagt.
Peyton Marino
Footballguy
Rooting for the Colts in this one.
North
Footballguy
Right now 63 degrees and slight chance of rain (about 20 to 30%).Go Ravens!!!!!This game will be over by half time. Let Colt fans not forget how HORRIBLE the colts were on D this whole year. One game against KC is not a trend, its a fluke.Everyone is talking about how the colts are going to move the ball against the ravens but the game will be decided on how the ravens will be able to move the ball at will against the colts.
North
Footballguy
I would take Tom Brady over Manning any day of the week, as would about 99% of NFL Analysts who know the game. He's big in big games and is ALWAYS cool when the pressures on.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Reggie Wayne is expected to be covered by Samari Rolle on Saturday.
Chris McAlister will be on Marvin Harrison most of the day. Ravens beat writer Mike Preston thinks the Ravens may slide Ed Reed over to help Rolle, who's allowed 11 yards-per-pass according to FootballOutsiders.
Source: Baltimore Sun
Chris McAlister will be on Marvin Harrison most of the day. Ravens beat writer Mike Preston thinks the Ravens may slide Ed Reed over to help Rolle, who's allowed 11 yards-per-pass according to FootballOutsiders.
Source: Baltimore Sun
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Old Baltimore 13
New Baltimore 24
New Baltimore 24
On The Rocks
Footballguy
I think Adam Vinatieri will be the difference in this game for the Colts. Like last week, I can see Vinatieri kicking FGs all day long as the Colts can only get into the endzone twice.
I see the Cols winning 26-24
I see the Cols winning 26-24
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
My point was this: If you're making the argument that he doesn't lead the Colts as well in the playoffs as in the regular season (defined as wins and losses), I would be open to that argument and would agree with you that as the stakes get higher he tightens up. To further the point, I would extend someone else's post and say that if he wins today (and I don't think he does), that would qualify as a "signature playoff win", particularly if he goes for 300+ yards with about 3 TDs and no picks against a VERY GOOD Ravens defense.On the other hand, if he's saying that he doesn't put up good stats in the playoffs, I would disagree with that. That's all.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I believe the Ravens are in for a surprise. I see this as a somewhat easy Indy win.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
wind is the key
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
It is 66 right now, hardly cold at all with 6 mile an hour wind. It should be raining lightly. Manning may have caught a break?
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I would take Tom Brady over Manning any day of the week, as would about 99% of NFL Analysts who know the game. He's big in big games and is ALWAYS cool when the pressures on.
Do you think this supports your argument? If you just swapped Manning and Brady, I am sure that Manning would have more rings than Brady. Last week was the FIRST game where Manning was not real good where they won and you could argue that Manning was pretty good completing 31-25 passes that were not picked off (and 2 of the picks appeared to be the receivers fault.
Also, 99% of the analysts do not think Brady is better than Manning; this is
Do you think this supports your argument? If you just swapped Manning and Brady, I am sure that Manning would have more rings than Brady. Last week was the FIRST game where Manning was not real good where they won and you could argue that Manning was pretty good completing 31-25 passes that were not picked off (and 2 of the picks appeared to be the receivers fault.Also, 99% of the analysts do not think Brady is better than Manning; this is
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
I agree with Tom and I am not an Indy fan.My point was this: If you're making the argument that he doesn't lead the Colts as well in the playoffs as in the regular season (defined as wins and losses), I would be open to that argument and would agree with you that as the stakes get higher he tightens up. To further the point, I would extend someone else's post and say that if he wins today (and I don't think he does), that would qualify as a "signature playoff win", particularly if he goes for 300+ yards with about 3 TDs and no picks against a VERY GOOD Ravens defense.On the other hand, if he's saying that he doesn't put up good stats in the playoffs, I would disagree with that. That's all.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
I disagree.I would take Tom Brady over Manning any day of the week, as would about 99% of NFL Analysts who know the game. He's big in big games and is ALWAYS cool when the pressures on.
Also, 99% of the analysts do not think Brady is better than Manning; this is
Just got back! Have you ever watched Peyton on the sidelines in the 1st half of playoff games? What I've observed is no passion and a blank-stare look. Maybe it will be different today.Although I'm a Ravens fan, part of me is almost pulling for him to rise to the occasion and play a great game today. I would characterize his postseason experience to date as: "He chokes in big games." Sorry but that's how I see it.
With respect to backing up my statements about him, I don't care how many TDs or yards or fantasy points he posts in playoff games. The only thing I care about is "4-6." With no SuperBowl appearances much less any wins. And he played with Harrison and James for 7 years from 1999 to 2005.
The Baltimore Sun had a special section on the game today. In one of the articles they discussed the differences between Peyton and Steve McNair and they mentioned that they both grew up in Mississippi but Peyton grew up in "urban luxury" and McNair grew up in "rural poverty."
Maybe that explains Peyton's lack of a killer instinct. Being born and growing up with a silver spoon in your mouth cannot compare to the hardscrabble roots of McNair (who came within a whisker of winning a SuperBowl) or guys like Montana and Unitas from western PA with workingclass roots who were never given a free ride through life.
If Peyton breaks through today, I'll say good game and give him all the credit he deserves. But I doubt he will. Human nature usually doesn't change in the crucible of a smashmouth battle that I expect the game to be today.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Winds are calm.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
The glamour matchup is the Ravens D vs Manning's O, but I'm more interested in the other one. Baltimore led the NFL in possession time, even with a less-than-stellar running game. If the Ravens can be efficient with the ball & have a couple of those long scoring drives (getting TDs instead of FGs), I think they'll win. I wouldn't be surprised in the least if the Colts won, but.....
Ravens 24
Indy 17
Ravens 24
Indy 17
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
It is overcast and warm, over 60, and the only rain has been light drizzle. I seriously doubt wind or rain will have any impact in this game.I've been driving around a bit today and to a few places / stores / gas stations, and let me tell you that there is a playoff atmosphere surrounding this area. Not just Baltimore, but anywhere within the greater Baltimore area. Flags, jerseys, purple everywhere. Radio, TV - it's inescapable. Mind you I'm not a Ravens fan, but if you don't feel the electricity in the area today, you just don't feel.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
The Ravens will win this game handily.
The defense for Baltimore will be swarming all over the field, and the front 4 will have pressure. AD will take away the TE, and the DBs will only have to cover Wayne and Harrison for 3-4 seconds.
The more intriguing matchup will be the Baltimore offense and how many points they can generate. Will Jamal Lewis revert back to his younger days and pull out a 100-yard game? I think the Ravens rely on McNair with Heap, Mason and Clayton leading the way. Don't rule out a deep one to Demetrius Williams either.
Matt Stover is way underrated.
I think Peyton can get the Colts in the end zone, but it won't change the outcome.
Baltimore 27-13.
The defense for Baltimore will be swarming all over the field, and the front 4 will have pressure. AD will take away the TE, and the DBs will only have to cover Wayne and Harrison for 3-4 seconds.
The more intriguing matchup will be the Baltimore offense and how many points they can generate. Will Jamal Lewis revert back to his younger days and pull out a 100-yard game? I think the Ravens rely on McNair with Heap, Mason and Clayton leading the way. Don't rule out a deep one to Demetrius Williams either.
Matt Stover is way underrated.
I think Peyton can get the Colts in the end zone, but it won't change the outcome.
Baltimore 27-13.
North
Footballguy
I do as well.The years that Brady won his superbowls he did so with less of an offense then the Colts and Less of a defense. Everyone wants to believe that the Pats had this great D which is the reason why he won but the fact is during his last superbowl run the Colts actually had a better D statistically, and a better offense. But Colt fans always seem to find an excuse for their golden boy. Facts are he has not performed well under pressure. He can put up all the poins he wants in the regular season but come playoffs I would much rather have a QB like Brady who has won.I disagree.I would take Tom Brady over Manning any day of the week, as would about 99% of NFL Analysts who know the game. He's big in big games and is ALWAYS cool when the pressures on.
Also, 99% of the analysts do not think Brady is better than Manning; this is
North, I agree with you totally. Brady and Montana and Unitas are/were incredibly similar, IMO -- icewater in their veins during the 4th quarter of the biggest games. Not being phased or flustered when the other team went ahead with only a couple minutes left. Rallying their team -- not rah-rah stuff -- but in the huddle, looking into each player's eyes -- and the other players "knowing" that Brady (or Montana or Unitas) would lead them to win the game.Of the 3, I think Brady has the potential to post the best postseason record. I think Montana was probably the most "efficient" in terms of producing when the chips were down. But I loved watching Unitas during the last 2 minutes of big games. He seemed to relish the experience and it almost seemed like he milked it for every ounce of suspense and drama before he won the game in the final seconds. Not that he did it on purpose, but he had the supreme confidence to work the clock, march down the field, and score the winning points.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
They asked Johnny U after that '58 game if he was worried about a turnover passing the ball as the Colts were driving at the end. His response?"When you know what you are doing, you don't make mistakes"edited for clarity
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Man, I hope you're right. My gut is telling me that it'll be a really close hard-fought game. If Johnny U is looking down and has any influence, the Colts will score and go ahead at the 2-minute warning. And then McNair will lead the Ravens on an 80-yard drive to win the game as time expires.One thing for sure -- there's going to be a whole lot of folks in Baltimore who won't be able to speak tomorrow.
Chaos Commish
Footballguy
Having no preference for either team. Slightly favoring Dungy because he really is one of the good guys, but no strong attachment. I just couldn't get excited for this game.Then I read this thread.
LET"S GET IT ON! Go Colts!!!!?
Yeah, that really shows his mindset. When you hear interviews with offensive players on the Patriots, you get the same response when they are asked about Brady in the 4th quarter when a big game is on the line. And those comments are eerily similar to what 49ers players said about Montana and what Colts players said about Unitas. These tough smashmouth players who are in awe of their leader/QB and would follow them into fire.
Man, you can root for whoever you want to. I know Ravens fans respect Indy Colts fans. Whatever the lingering feelings are about the "move in the middle of the night", I don't have any bad feelings for Colts fans or Colts players.That being said, I'll be screaming my head off and hoping like hell that the Ravens win. One aspect of it is paying respect to JohnnyU and the other Baltimore Colts players who were icons in this city. Part of it is "payback" for what happened 23 years ago. And part of it is just a damn good football game.Having no preference for either team. Slightly favoring Dungy because he really is one of the good guys, but no strong attachment. I just couldn't get excited for this game.Then I read this thread.
LET"S GET IT ON! Go Colts!!!!?
David Dodds
Administrator
I expect the Ravens to win, but am hopeful that this game isn't a result of a ton of turnovers by the Colts. I would love to see a very close hard-fought game here.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
If my team wasn't playing this weekend this would be the game I would look most forward to seeing. Great subplots and I love watching both these teams play. I really think Baltimore is the league's best team, but I've had a gut feeling all week the Colts are up to no good.
Colts 27 Ravens 20
I hope the winner goes to XLI.
Colts 27 Ravens 20
I hope the winner goes to XLI.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
The Indianapolis Colts have declared DL Bo Schobel, DL Dan Federkeil, LB Gilbert Gardner, WR John Standeford, OG Matt Ulrich, WR Ricky Proehl, CB T.J. Rushing, CB Tim Jennings inactive for Week 19.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
The Baltimore Ravens have declared WR Clarence Moore, CB David Pittman, CB Derrick Martin, WR Devard Darling, CB Jamaine Winborne, OT Mike Kracalik, FB Nick Luchey, RB P.J. Daniels inactive for Week 19.
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
I disagree.I would take Tom Brady over Manning any day of the week, as would about 99% of NFL Analysts who know the game. He's big in big games and is ALWAYS cool when the pressures on.
Do you think this supports your argument? If you just swapped Manning and Brady, I am sure that Manning would have more rings than Brady. Last week was the FIRST game where Manning was not real good where they won and you could argue that Manning was pretty good completing 31-25 passes that were not picked off (and 2 of the picks appeared to be the receivers fault.
Also, 99% of the analysts do not think Brady is better than Manning; this is
Ridiculous statement.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
playing what?
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
Damn, I'm geeked up for this game!
