Official Arian Foster - All Foster news, all the time (3 Viewers)

[lod01]

Old, broken down and closing in on washed up. Too late now for SELL, SELL, SELL.

 

[Chaka]

Foster is the only one who traded away a % of his future income for cash today. I'd trust his instincts and bail.

What's that now?

He gave away 10% of all his future earnings to a start-up company in return for $10 mil right now.

The company has this weird business model that they hope to make these type of investments in players creating a pseudo-exchange and get people to invest in their company/players creating hope for the investors that the players will earn more in the future than the initial payout. It's a weird concept that is likely doomed to fail.

Another player signed on with them recently, I don't remember who it was.

The incentive is on him to play since he makes nothing if the IPO doesn't sell:

Fantex wants its venture to be anything but make-believe. Investors can now register with the company and soon place orders for the I.P.O. The company will market the I.P.O. in the coming weeks, offering 1.06 million shares at $10 a share, or $10.6 million worth of stock. If demand is insufficient, the company may cancel the deal.

As for Mr. Foster, he will receive a $10 million payment from Fantex upon consummation of the offering. (The balance of the I.P.O. covers the deal’s costs.) In exchange for the payment, Mr. Foster has promised to pay Fantex 20 percent of his future earnings.

Crazy business model. Is that why he is bouncing around doctors looking for opinions about his back, because he wants to play?

 

[cstu]

Crazy business model. Is that why he is bouncing around doctors looking for opinions about his back, because he wants to play?

Foster doesn't strike me as one of those guys who's all about the money. He seriously loves the game and wants to play.

 

[pantherclub]

McClain just tweeted that it hasn't been revealed what the back ailment is but season ending surgery is a possibility. That's why he's probably going to get 2-3 opinions

My Zac Stacy pickup might have just saved my season.

I was getting worried about you, keep us posted

 

[pantherclub]

Foster is the only one who traded away a % of his future income for cash today. I'd trust his instincts and bail.

Thats an interesting way of looking at it.

 

[cobalt_27]

Done for the year.

 

[Otis]

Oof

 

[Avery]

Yikes. Hopefully all Foster owners have Tate.

 

[coolnerd]

Done for the year.

Done for the year.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/10/report-arian-foster-out-for-season-with-back-injury/

 

[just_want_2_win]

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Arian Foster (back, hamstring) will head to injured reserve next week.
Per RapSheet, Foster needs back surgery, which is expected to happen "very soon," perhaps Wednesday or Thursday. The I.R. transaction will likely take place on Monday. Foster consulted multiple back specialists in an effort to find one who wouldn't recommend the procedure, but couldn't. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported 3-of-3 doctors told him the surgery was needed. Foster is battling a lumbar spine issue. He was playing well before going down, and costs a reasonable $5.75 million in 2014. We don't think Foster will be an offseason cap casualty unless the Texans decide to "blow it up" and undertake a full-on rebuild.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5469/arian-foster

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Thoughts about next year and beyond?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

No surprise here, but this isn't just a back issue.

 

[Keith Lewis]

No surprise here, but this isn't just a back issue.

Don't follow? What other injury does he have?

 

[mr roboto]

No surprise here, but this isn't just a back issue.

Oh ####, here we go.

 

[cstu]

Thoughts about next year and beyond?

I expect him to be fine to start next year, but you'll always have to be concerned with re-injury.

 

[donkshow]

Jeez.

 

[Sweet Love]

I bet Ben Tate just made a lot of money...it will be tough for the Texans to walk away from him if they are unsure about Foster.

 

[GregR]

Thoughts about next year and beyond?

My post earlier in the week from the other Texans RB thread:

Not that I expect Foster to be cut after the season... but in regards to cap ramifications of cutting him, if I have this all right...

2014

Keep Foster in 2014, he counts as $8.75m against the cap.

Release Foster (normally) before 2014, he counts as $7.5m in dead money. So the team could release him and sign someone for $1.25m to replace him and in a cap sense at least they would break even. Justin Forsett got $1m/year average last year, so this would basically be replacing Foster with Forsett for the same cap amount. (Edit: Or spend a pick for someone but that of course adds the cost of the draft pick.)

Release Foster as a post-June 1 designation release before 2014. He would count as $2.5m against the cap in 2014 and $5m against the cap in 2015. So the team would gain $6.25m of spending money in 2014, but would be $5m behind in 2015. This could be used to re-sign Tate, but I personally would not want to see the 2015 cap hit from it.

2015

If Foster plays in 2015 he counts as $9m against the cap.

Regular release before 2015 would be a $5m cap hit, so the team would save $4m in cap room that year.

Post-June 1st designated release would cost $2.5m in 2015 dead money (but a $6.5m savings), and $2.5m in 2016 dead money.

I think Foster will be with the team in 2014. I think in 2015 he'll either restructure or be released unless he had a league-leading season in 2014. It is also not a given that Gary Kubiak or someone running the Texans style of offense will be coaching the team in 2014. Foster fits well with the one-cut and downhill style, he wouldn't fit as well in some other systems so that is a consideration. Though I imagine a new coach would probably keep him in 2014 anyway.

 

[GregR]

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Arian Foster (back, hamstring) will head to injured reserve next week.
Per RapSheet, Foster needs back surgery, which is expected to happen "very soon," perhaps Wednesday or Thursday. The I.R. transaction will likely take place on Monday. Foster consulted multiple back specialists in an effort to find one who wouldn't recommend the procedure, but couldn't. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported 3-of-3 doctors told him the surgery was needed. Foster is battling a lumbar spine issue. He was playing well before going down, and costs a reasonable $5.75 million in 2014. We don't think Foster will be an offseason cap casualty unless the Texans decide to "blow it up" and undertake a full-on rebuild.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5469/arian-foster

Pretty sure Rotoworld is giving his actual salary for the year and not his cap cost when they say a reasonable $5.75m. That isn't the number that the team would be looking at. But I still think they keep him because there isn't much cap gain to be had in releasing him until after 2014.

 

[cstu]

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports Arian Foster (back, hamstring) will head to injured reserve next week.
Per RapSheet, Foster needs back surgery, which is expected to happen "very soon," perhaps Wednesday or Thursday. The I.R. transaction will likely take place on Monday. Foster consulted multiple back specialists in an effort to find one who wouldn't recommend the procedure, but couldn't. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported 3-of-3 doctors told him the surgery was needed. Foster is battling a lumbar spine issue. He was playing well before going down, and costs a reasonable $5.75 million in 2014. We don't think Foster will be an offseason cap casualty unless the Texans decide to "blow it up" and undertake a full-on rebuild.

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5469/arian-foster

Pretty sure Rotoworld is giving his actual salary for the year and not his cap cost when they say a reasonable $5.75m. That isn't the number that the team would be looking at. But I still think they keep him because there isn't much cap gain to be had in releasing him until after 2014.

His salary plus bonus is $6.25M next year but he'd leave them with $7.5M in dead money if they cut/traded him. In 2015, his salary and bonus is $6.5M and he'd count for $5M in dead money. I don't see them moving him unless he stops being effective.

 

[jsharlan]

No surprise here, but this isn't just a back issue.

You basically called him a ##### and said he was trying not to play. Yet in reality he went to 3 back specialist trying to find one that would let him keep playing. You're a huge troll.

 

[jsharlan]

I bet Ben Tate just made a lot of money...it will be tough for the Texans to walk away from him if they are unsure about Foster.

It won't be hard at all. Its the same position they were in when Slaton hurt his neck and they had nothing behind him. They drafted Ben Tate in the 2nd and had this undrafted guy named Arian Foster. If Kubiak is still the coach, they don't need to spend money at RB.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

If Kubiak is still the coach, they don't need to spend money at RB.

You mean besides the massive contract they gave to Foster? Hello?

No surprise here, but this isn't just a back issue.

You basically called him a ##### and said he was trying not to play. Yet in reality he went to 3 back specialist trying to find one that would let him keep playing. You're a huge troll.

You are a Texans fan, so I can see how you are emotional about the subject.

 

[jsharlan]

You mean besides the massive contract they gave to Foster? Hello?

You are a Texans fan, so I can see how you are emotional about the subject.

The discussion is on next season and paying Tate, try to keep up.

I am a Texans fans, so I can see how I am more informed than you and use actual facts instead of weak trolling.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

The discussion is on next season and paying Tate, try to keep up.

No, you were referring to their situation prior to Foster developing and pretending that they don't need to spend money at RB because they pulled a UDFA star out of their butts. Do I have to quote you again?

I am a Texans fans, so I can see how I am more informed than you and use actual facts instead of weak trolling.

I can't. This isn't 1985. We have the internet, where I can read everything you read. I can listen to any local radio station you listen to. I can subscribe to every Texans related tweet you do. Unless you are in the Texans locker room, I get all the information you get. The only difference between us is that I'm not a Texans fan, so I have no bunched panties when someone rightfully questions a player on my team's desire to play football. The truth hurts.

 

[jsharlan]

What the interweb apparently isn't doing for you, is allowing to actually watch the games. Any Texan fan who watches every single game thinks you're an idiot for trolling that Foster is a quitter who doesn't want to play. Like most anti Foster trolls this season, you waited until a injury took him out to start slamming his play and abilities while you remained silent for the month before hand when he was playing well. Also please explain how you are "rightfully questioning" a players desire to play? You have supplied zero evidence or examples. So it might as well be 1985, because the internet hasn't done #### for you besides taught you how to troll.

 

[x260bm]

Does anyone know what the exact injury is? Did he have a hamstring pull or sciatica? Is the surgery to fix a bulging disk or something more serious?

 

[jsharlan]

They haven't specified what kind of back injury it is.

 

[Sabertooth]

The Season Ending kind. Hopefully it isn't career threatening.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

What the interweb apparently isn't doing for you, is allowing to actually watch the games. Any Texan fan who watches every single game thinks you're an idiot for trolling that Foster is a quitter who doesn't want to play. Like most anti Foster trolls this season, you waited until a injury took him out to start slamming his play and abilities while you remained silent for the month before hand when he was playing well. Also please explain how you are "rightfully questioning" a players desire to play? You have supplied zero evidence or examples. So it might as well be 1985, because the internet hasn't done #### for you besides taught you how to troll.

Again, wrong. I do watch the games. I also gave plenty of reasons. His stock garbage, his acting gigs, Foster doing overtime on his commercials, all that ####. Now he quit. Them's the facts. But I see what's happening here. I'd get annoyed if you told me one of my football heroes was quitting football, I just wouldn't take it to the level you do by racing to call people trolls and idiots. I guess I should have called you a troll and an idiot first, then I'd have the high ground, but that's against the message board rules so I don't do that. Maybe you should be more open minded about alternative opinions instead of getting angry at people, that does no one any good. I promise I won't bump this thread when he retires next offseason.

Here, I'll write your next response:

YOU ARE A TROLL! OMG I HATE YOU, YOU TROLL! TROLL TROLL TROLL! I CAN'T LIVE WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ARIAN FOSTER IN MY LIFE, SO THAT MEANS YOU ARE A TROLL! AHHHHHHHHH! TEXAS RULES! TROLL!

 

[mr roboto]

If Tate moves on and Foster is healthy entering FF drafts next year, where does he get drafted?

 

[Ack88]

If Tate moves on and Foster is healthy entering FF drafts next year, where does he get drafted?

My guess would be late in round 2 or early in round 3 as a best case scenario. He's clearly an RB2 at this point.

 

[jsharlan]

What the interweb apparently isn't doing for you, is allowing to actually watch the games. Any Texan fan who watches every single game thinks you're an idiot for trolling that Foster is a quitter who doesn't want to play. Like most anti Foster trolls this season, you waited until a injury took him out to start slamming his play and abilities while you remained silent for the month before hand when he was playing well. Also please explain how you are "rightfully questioning" a players desire to play? You have supplied zero evidence or examples. So it might as well be 1985, because the internet hasn't done #### for you besides taught you how to troll.

Again, wrong. I do watch the games. I also gave plenty of reasons. His stock garbage, his acting gigs, Foster doing overtime on his commercials, all that ####. Now he quit. Them's the facts. But I see what's happening here. I'd get annoyed if you told me one of my football heroes was quitting football, I just wouldn't take it to the level you do by racing to call people trolls and idiots. I guess I should have called you a troll and an idiot first, then I'd have the high ground, but that's against the message board rules so I don't do that. Maybe you should be more open minded about alternative opinions instead of getting angry at people, that does no one any good. I promise I won't bump this thread when he retires next offseason.

Here, I'll write your next response:

YOU ARE A TROLL! OMG I HATE YOU, YOU TROLL! TROLL TROLL TROLL! I CAN'T LIVE WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ARIAN FOSTER IN MY LIFE, SO THAT MEANS YOU ARE A TROLL! AHHHHHHHHH! TEXAS RULES! TROLL!

None of that dribble you posted is a fact, its your completely unqualified opinion. By your logic, Aaron Rodgers must be faking his injury so he can do more Discount Doublecheck commercials. How is Foster doing "overtime" on his commercials? You just made it up. You have no idea how often or what point in the year he films his endorsements. You're not a troll because you are attacking my "hero", you are a troll because you try to pass off your horribly misguided opinion as fact with no actual facts being involved. You want a real fact? A guy who wants to quit does not go to 3 different back specialists trying to find one that will let him keep playing out a completely lost season.

 

[jsharlan]

If Tate moves on and Foster is healthy entering FF drafts next year, where does he get drafted?

My guess would be late in round 2 or early in round 3 as a best case scenario. He's clearly an RB2 at this point.

I wouldn't totally agree with that. It depends how healthy he comes back and what he does in camp. In the full games he played before getting hurt, he was a RB1 even splitting with Tate. With no Tate next year and healthy, I see no reason he wouldn't be a clear RB1 in fantasy. Fear of "breaking down" would likely keep him out of round 1.

 

[pantherclub]

How did Tate look yesterday?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

What the interweb apparently isn't doing for you, is allowing to actually watch the games. Any Texan fan who watches every single game thinks you're an idiot for trolling that Foster is a quitter who doesn't want to play. Like most anti Foster trolls this season, you waited until a injury took him out to start slamming his play and abilities while you remained silent for the month before hand when he was playing well. Also please explain how you are "rightfully questioning" a players desire to play? You have supplied zero evidence or examples. So it might as well be 1985, because the internet hasn't done #### for you besides taught you how to troll.

Again, wrong. I do watch the games. I also gave plenty of reasons. His stock garbage, his acting gigs, Foster doing overtime on his commercials, all that ####. Now he quit. Them's the facts. But I see what's happening here. I'd get annoyed if you told me one of my football heroes was quitting football, I just wouldn't take it to the level you do by racing to call people trolls and idiots. I guess I should have called you a troll and an idiot first, then I'd have the high ground, but that's against the message board rules so I don't do that. Maybe you should be more open minded about alternative opinions instead of getting angry at people, that does no one any good. I promise I won't bump this thread when he retires next offseason.

Here, I'll write your next response:

YOU ARE A TROLL! OMG I HATE YOU, YOU TROLL! TROLL TROLL TROLL! I CAN'T LIVE WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ARIAN FOSTER IN MY LIFE, SO THAT MEANS YOU ARE A TROLL! AHHHHHHHHH! TEXAS RULES! TROLL!

None of that dribble you posted is a fact, its your completely unqualified opinion. By your logic, Aaron Rodgers must be faking his injury so he can do more Discount Doublecheck commercials. How is Foster doing "overtime" on his commercials? You just made it up. You have no idea how often or what point in the year he films his endorsements. You're not a troll because you are attacking my "hero", you are a troll because you try to pass off your horribly misguided opinion as fact with no actual facts being involved. You want a real fact? A guy who wants to quit does not go to 3 different back specialists trying to find one that will let him keep playing out a completely lost season.

Dribble? Is that Texas-english? LOL Going to a couple of doctors doesn't mean a thing.

 

[jsharlan]

How did Tate look yesterday?

Slow and plodding. The rib injury has really sapped his explosiveness.

 

[Amused to Death]

What the interweb apparently isn't doing for you, is allowing to actually watch the games. Any Texan fan who watches every single game thinks you're an idiot for trolling that Foster is a quitter who doesn't want to play. Like most anti Foster trolls this season, you waited until a injury took him out to start slamming his play and abilities while you remained silent for the month before hand when he was playing well. Also please explain how you are "rightfully questioning" a players desire to play? You have supplied zero evidence or examples. So it might as well be 1985, because the internet hasn't done #### for you besides taught you how to troll.

Again, wrong. I do watch the games. I also gave plenty of reasons. His stock garbage, his acting gigs, Foster doing overtime on his commercials, all that ####. Now he quit. Them's the facts. But I see what's happening here. I'd get annoyed if you told me one of my football heroes was quitting football, I just wouldn't take it to the level you do by racing to call people trolls and idiots. I guess I should have called you a troll and an idiot first, then I'd have the high ground, but that's against the message board rules so I don't do that. Maybe you should be more open minded about alternative opinions instead of getting angry at people, that does no one any good. I promise I won't bump this thread when he retires next offseason.

Here, I'll write your next response:

YOU ARE A TROLL! OMG I HATE YOU, YOU TROLL! TROLL TROLL TROLL! I CAN'T LIVE WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ARIAN FOSTER IN MY LIFE, SO THAT MEANS YOU ARE A TROLL! AHHHHHHHHH! TEXAS RULES! TROLL!

Do you have any Foster news? This is the news thread. If not, please find another thread to piss all over. TIA.

 

[jsharlan]

What the interweb apparently isn't doing for you, is allowing to actually watch the games. Any Texan fan who watches every single game thinks you're an idiot for trolling that Foster is a quitter who doesn't want to play. Like most anti Foster trolls this season, you waited until a injury took him out to start slamming his play and abilities while you remained silent for the month before hand when he was playing well. Also please explain how you are "rightfully questioning" a players desire to play? You have supplied zero evidence or examples. So it might as well be 1985, because the internet hasn't done #### for you besides taught you how to troll.

Again, wrong. I do watch the games. I also gave plenty of reasons. His stock garbage, his acting gigs, Foster doing overtime on his commercials, all that ####. Now he quit. Them's the facts. But I see what's happening here. I'd get annoyed if you told me one of my football heroes was quitting football, I just wouldn't take it to the level you do by racing to call people trolls and idiots. I guess I should have called you a troll and an idiot first, then I'd have the high ground, but that's against the message board rules so I don't do that. Maybe you should be more open minded about alternative opinions instead of getting angry at people, that does no one any good. I promise I won't bump this thread when he retires next offseason.

Here, I'll write your next response:

YOU ARE A TROLL! OMG I HATE YOU, YOU TROLL! TROLL TROLL TROLL! I CAN'T LIVE WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ARIAN FOSTER IN MY LIFE, SO THAT MEANS YOU ARE A TROLL! AHHHHHHHHH! TEXAS RULES! TROLL!

None of that dribble you posted is a fact, its your completely unqualified opinion. By your logic, Aaron Rodgers must be faking his injury so he can do more Discount Doublecheck commercials. How is Foster doing "overtime" on his commercials? You just made it up. You have no idea how often or what point in the year he films his endorsements. You're not a troll because you are attacking my "hero", you are a troll because you try to pass off your horribly misguided opinion as fact with no actual facts being involved. You want a real fact? A guy who wants to quit does not go to 3 different back specialists trying to find one that will let him keep playing out a completely lost season.

Dribble? Is that Texas-english? LOL Going to a couple of doctors doesn't mean a thing.

Going to doctors means nothing, but filming commercials means everything? Nice logic. You continue to prove your ignorance.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

What the interweb apparently isn't doing for you, is allowing to actually watch the games. Any Texan fan who watches every single game thinks you're an idiot for trolling that Foster is a quitter who doesn't want to play. Like most anti Foster trolls this season, you waited until a injury took him out to start slamming his play and abilities while you remained silent for the month before hand when he was playing well. Also please explain how you are "rightfully questioning" a players desire to play? You have supplied zero evidence or examples. So it might as well be 1985, because the internet hasn't done #### for you besides taught you how to troll.

Again, wrong. I do watch the games. I also gave plenty of reasons. His stock garbage, his acting gigs, Foster doing overtime on his commercials, all that ####. Now he quit. Them's the facts. But I see what's happening here. I'd get annoyed if you told me one of my football heroes was quitting football, I just wouldn't take it to the level you do by racing to call people trolls and idiots. I guess I should have called you a troll and an idiot first, then I'd have the high ground, but that's against the message board rules so I don't do that. Maybe you should be more open minded about alternative opinions instead of getting angry at people, that does no one any good. I promise I won't bump this thread when he retires next offseason.

Here, I'll write your next response:

YOU ARE A TROLL! OMG I HATE YOU, YOU TROLL! TROLL TROLL TROLL! I CAN'T LIVE WITH THE POSSIBILITY OF ARIAN FOSTER IN MY LIFE, SO THAT MEANS YOU ARE A TROLL! AHHHHHHHHH! TEXAS RULES! TROLL!

None of that dribble you posted is a fact, its your completely unqualified opinion. By your logic, Aaron Rodgers must be faking his injury so he can do more Discount Doublecheck commercials. How is Foster doing "overtime" on his commercials? You just made it up. You have no idea how often or what point in the year he films his endorsements. You're not a troll because you are attacking my "hero", you are a troll because you try to pass off your horribly misguided opinion as fact with no actual facts being involved. You want a real fact? A guy who wants to quit does not go to 3 different back specialists trying to find one that will let him keep playing out a completely lost season.

Dribble? Is that Texas-english? LOL Going to a couple of doctors doesn't mean a thing.

Going to doctors means nothing, but filming commercials means everything? Nice logic. You continue to prove your ignorance.

Please. Don't talk about logic when you don't even know English. Leave me alone.

 

[Ack88]

If Tate moves on and Foster is healthy entering FF drafts next year, where does he get drafted?

My guess would be late in round 2 or early in round 3 as a best case scenario. He's clearly an RB2 at this point.

I wouldn't totally agree with that. It depends how healthy he comes back and what he does in camp. In the full games he played before getting hurt, he was a RB1 even splitting with Tate. With no Tate next year and healthy, I see no reason he wouldn't be a clear RB1 in fantasy. Fear of "breaking down" would likely keep him out of round 1.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. FWIW, presuming Foster is completely healthy, running well in camp, and that Tate has moved on, I would take the following RBs over him:

1. Charles

2. Lynch

3. ADP

4. McCoy

5. Forte

6. Morris

7. Bernard

8. Lacy

To me Foster is in a large group of players that include Murray, Gore, Ridley, Rice, Tate, Johnson, D. Martin. On my board, in a best case scenario, he would check in as RB9 overall. For that to happen, everything would have to trend towards a rebound. That also presumes young bucks like Stacy, Bell, and Miller trend downward. Truthfully, it becomes a jumbled mess IMO after those 8 guys. Couple that with elite WRs and a few elite QBs and Foster's injury, I'm not taking him before the top of round #3 at this point.

I'd be curious to get other's feedback.

 

[jsharlan]

Drool, drivel, slobber, etc. Its how you have transported words from your mouth to paper. Used in this context it means to talk stupidly or childishly, foolish or nonsense. I think thats enough crapping up the thread with you. Have a nice life.

 

[jsharlan]

If Tate moves on and Foster is healthy entering FF drafts next year, where does he get drafted?

My guess would be late in round 2 or early in round 3 as a best case scenario. He's clearly an RB2 at this point.

I wouldn't totally agree with that. It depends how healthy he comes back and what he does in camp. In the full games he played before getting hurt, he was a RB1 even splitting with Tate. With no Tate next year and healthy, I see no reason he wouldn't be a clear RB1 in fantasy. Fear of "breaking down" would likely keep him out of round 1.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. FWIW, presuming Foster is completely healthy, running well in camp, and that Tate has moved on, I would take the following RBs over him:

1. Charles

2. Lynch

3. ADP

4. McCoy

5. Forte

6. Morris

7. Bernard

8. Lacy

To me Foster is in a large group of players that include Murray, Gore, Ridley, Rice, Tate, Johnson, D. Martin. On my board, in a best case scenario, he would check in as RB9 overall. For that to happen, everything would have to trend towards a rebound. That also presumes young bucks like Stacy, Bell, and Miller trend downward. Truthfully, it becomes a jumbled mess IMO after those 8 guys. Couple that with elite WRs and a few elite QBs and Foster's injury, I'm not taking him before the top of round #3 at this point.

I'd be curious to get other's feedback.

I was assuming 12 team leagues, but like I said fear of breaking down will shy alot of ppl away. I wouldn't take Bernard or Morris ahead of him personally. Charles, Shady, and ADP are the only sure picks on that list imo.

 

[GregR]

Thoughts about next year and beyond?

My post earlier in the week from the other Texans RB thread:

Not that I expect Foster to be cut after the season... but in regards to cap ramifications of cutting him, if I have this all right...

2014

Keep Foster in 2014, he counts as $8.75m against the cap.

Release Foster (normally) before 2014, he counts as $7.5m in dead money. So the team could release him and sign someone for $1.25m to replace him and in a cap sense at least they would break even. Justin Forsett got $1m/year average last year, so this would basically be replacing Foster with Forsett for the same cap amount. (Edit: Or spend a pick for someone but that of course adds the cost of the draft pick.)

Release Foster as a post-June 1 designation release before 2014. He would count as $2.5m against the cap in 2014 and $5m against the cap in 2015. So the team would gain $6.25m of spending money in 2014, but would be $5m behind in 2015. This could be used to re-sign Tate, but I personally would not want to see the 2015 cap hit from it.

2015

If Foster plays in 2015 he counts as $9m against the cap.

Regular release before 2015 would be a $5m cap hit, so the team would save $4m in cap room that year.

Post-June 1st designated release would cost $2.5m in 2015 dead money (but a $6.5m savings), and $2.5m in 2016 dead money.

I think Foster will be with the team in 2014. I think in 2015 he'll either restructure or be released unless he had a league-leading season in 2014. It is also not a given that Gary Kubiak or someone running the Texans style of offense will be coaching the team in 2014. Foster fits well with the one-cut and downhill style, he wouldn't fit as well in some other systems so that is a consideration. Though I imagine a new coach would probably keep him in 2014 anyway.

Had someone off the board ask me about additional cap hits if Foster's injury is career ending, could never play again. Had to do some research, figured some of you might be interested in what I found.

[SIZE=11pt]Any money paid to a player has to hit the cap eventually. He would keep all of his signing bonus except potentially for cases where the player’s actions made him unable to fulfill his contract (i.e. Hernandez or Vick going to jail). So the cap hits I previously mentioned would happen, injury or not.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]In addition, there are some injury protections for players in the CBA that would add additional cost to the cap. First, since he is a vested veteran, since he was on the roster at the start of the season his season salary for this year is guaranteed anyway. If that wasn’t the case, I’m not positive but I think you can’t waive normally a player in season while he’s injured. When you see that happen the team and player agreed to an injury settlement. You hear it often in training camp when a hurt player is released.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]But then beyond that, there is some additional injury protection in the CBA for players who had a football injury at the end of the year that keeps them from playing the following years. The next season they would receive 50% of their annual salary up to a max payment of $1.1m for 2014-2015. If they still can’t play the next year after they could get 30% of their salary up to $550k. Those amounts grow each year by $50k, I gave the ones that would apply for Foster. And “salary” there means Paragraph 5 salary which is their yearly salary not counting signing bonuses, incentives, etc.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]It is possible for a player to have additional protection written into his contract. I have no clue if Foster does. So let’s say Foster can’t ever play again because of this. There would be an extra $1.1m cap hit and an extra $500k cap hit in addition to what I previously said.[/SIZE]

Edit to add: To be eligible for the additional injury protection, a player must have been unable to play in his final season game, have gone through rehab, and then fail his physical and be unable to play the following year.

 

[Chaka]

What the interweb apparently isn't doing for you, is allowing to actually watch the games. Any Texan fan who watches every single game thinks you're an idiot for trolling that Foster is a quitter who doesn't want to play. Like most anti Foster trolls this season, you waited until a injury took him out to start slamming his play and abilities while you remained silent for the month before hand when he was playing well. Also please explain how you are "rightfully questioning" a players desire to play? You have supplied zero evidence or examples. So it might as well be 1985, because the internet hasn't done #### for you besides taught you how to troll.

Again, wrong. I do watch the games. I also gave plenty of reasons. His stock garbage, his acting gigs, Foster doing overtime on his commercials, all that ####. Now he quit. Them's the facts.

Nothing that you said is actually a fact it is just a theory. I am going out on a limb and saying that you aren't in the locker room and I doubt you are in Foster's inner circle. So what you say is theory, which is fine but don't cache it as fact.

Your theory that he quit might hold up to more scrutiny if he had not gone to three doctors just looking for one who

would tell him that he could keep playing this season. That is a fact.

His weird stock deal is certainly something that I could understand rubbing people the wrong way but if you look at the deal Foster doesn't get paid unless his "IPO" generates a little over $10 mil. That is a fact.

Based upon those facts I will theorize that he wants that $10 mil and he understands that going on IR makes it highly unlikely that he will ever see that money. That is why he consulted three doctors and that really suggests that, for whatever reason, he really wanted to keep playing.

Nothing that has happened to Foster, not one single thing, supports the notion that he quit. Not sure why you are promoting that theory.

 

[Chaka]

Regardless of how strong the reports about his successful recovery from his successful surgery (I guarantee they will report it as a successful surgery because I have never once read that a surgery was unsuccessful) and all the glowing reports we will hear from training camp I can't see drafting Foster as my RB1 unless I can get him in the 3rd round.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

What the interweb apparently isn't doing for you, is allowing to actually watch the games. Any Texan fan who watches every single game thinks you're an idiot for trolling that Foster is a quitter who doesn't want to play. Like most anti Foster trolls this season, you waited until a injury took him out to start slamming his play and abilities while you remained silent for the month before hand when he was playing well. Also please explain how you are "rightfully questioning" a players desire to play? You have supplied zero evidence or examples. So it might as well be 1985, because the internet hasn't done #### for you besides taught you how to troll.

Again, wrong. I do watch the games. I also gave plenty of reasons. His stock garbage, his acting gigs, Foster doing overtime on his commercials, all that ####. Now he quit. Them's the facts.

Nothing that you said is actually a fact it is just a theory. I am going out on a limb and saying that you aren't in the locker room and I doubt you are in Foster's inner circle. So what you say is theory, which is fine but don't cache it as fact.

Your theory that he quit might hold up to more scrutiny if he had not gone to three doctors just looking for one who

would tell him that he could keep playing this season. That is a fact.

His weird stock deal is certainly something that I could understand rubbing people the wrong way but if you look at the deal Foster doesn't get paid unless his "IPO" generates a little over $10 mil. That is a fact.

Based upon those facts I will theorize that he wants that $10 mil and he understands that going on IR makes it highly unlikely that he will ever see that money. That is why he consulted three doctors and that really suggests that, for whatever reason, he really wanted to keep playing.

Nothing that has happened to Foster, not one single thing, supports the notion that he quit. Not sure why you are promoting that theory.

Thanks for disagreeing and being a normal human about it. I admit it's a theory, but I used facts for it. I never said Foster being a quitter was a fact. That was my opinion. Keep in mind that his stock deal isn't just what he makes as an NFL player. It includes endorsements and other related business revenue. That could mean lots and lots of things that doesn't necessitate him running the ball for money.

 

[Chaka]

What the interweb apparently isn't doing for you, is allowing to actually watch the games. Any Texan fan who watches every single game thinks you're an idiot for trolling that Foster is a quitter who doesn't want to play. Like most anti Foster trolls this season, you waited until a injury took him out to start slamming his play and abilities while you remained silent for the month before hand when he was playing well. Also please explain how you are "rightfully questioning" a players desire to play? You have supplied zero evidence or examples. So it might as well be 1985, because the internet hasn't done #### for you besides taught you how to troll.

Again, wrong. I do watch the games. I also gave plenty of reasons. His stock garbage, his acting gigs, Foster doing overtime on his commercials, all that ####. Now he quit. Them's the facts.

Nothing that you said is actually a fact it is just a theory. I am going out on a limb and saying that you aren't in the locker room and I doubt you are in Foster's inner circle. So what you say is theory, which is fine but don't cache it as fact.

Your theory that he quit might hold up to more scrutiny if he had not gone to three doctors just looking for one who

would tell him that he could keep playing this season. That is a fact.

His weird stock deal is certainly something that I could understand rubbing people the wrong way but if you look at the deal Foster doesn't get paid unless his "IPO" generates a little over $10 mil. That is a fact.

Based upon those facts I will theorize that he wants that $10 mil and he understands that going on IR makes it highly unlikely that he will ever see that money. That is why he consulted three doctors and that really suggests that, for whatever reason, he really wanted to keep playing.

Nothing that has happened to Foster, not one single thing, supports the notion that he quit. Not sure why you are promoting that theory.

Thanks for disagreeing and being a normal human about it. I admit it's a theory, but I used facts for it. I never said Foster being a quitter was a fact. That was my opinion. Keep in mind that his stock deal isn't just what he makes as an NFL player. It includes endorsements and other related business revenue. That could mean lots and lots of things that doesn't necessitate him running the ball for money.

You did call it a fact, quite clearly actually (see bolded above).

How much endorsement money does Foster generate? Any way you look at it his value is significantly greater if he is on the field performing at a high level. Being on IR only hurts his value because playing is what generates his endorsement potential. Investors are not very likely to jump on an IPO for a guy on IR and possibly on the downward side of their career.

Foster quitting seems like a highly unlikely scenario.

 

[Shutout]

If Tate moves on and Foster is healthy entering FF drafts next year, where does he get drafted?

My guess would be late in round 2 or early in round 3 as a best case scenario. He's clearly an RB2 at this point.

I wouldn't totally agree with that. It depends how healthy he comes back and what he does in camp. In the full games he played before getting hurt, he was a RB1 even splitting with Tate. With no Tate next year and healthy, I see no reason he wouldn't be a clear RB1 in fantasy. Fear of "breaking down" would likely keep him out of round 1.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. FWIW, presuming Foster is completely healthy, running well in camp, and that Tate has moved on, I would take the following RBs over him:

1. Charles

2. Lynch

3. ADP

4. McCoy

5. Forte

6. Morris

7. Bernard

8. Lacy

To me Foster is in a large group of players that include Murray, Gore, Ridley, Rice, Tate, Johnson, D. Martin. On my board, in a best case scenario, he would check in as RB9 overall. For that to happen, everything would have to trend towards a rebound. That also presumes young bucks like Stacy, Bell, and Miller trend downward. Truthfully, it becomes a jumbled mess IMO after those 8 guys. Couple that with elite WRs and a few elite QBs and Foster's injury, I'm not taking him before the top of round #3 at this point.

I'd be curious to get other's feedback.

I think you would be making the "Adrian Peterson" mistake by letting him fall late enough into rounds 2 or 3 that he basically makes some guy's team. I agree that it will probably happen because people love to downgrade running backs, especially ones that have had an injury, and people particularly love to be on the "Arian foster is falling" watch. They have been for years so proclaiming his demise brings a bit of extra joy to a select group of people.

However, if we keep in mind that all RBs get hurt from time to time (there are NONE that I know of that have played effectively for 3-4 straight years and had no injuries) then we also might accept that many Rbs go through a trough but then ascend again.

So, if we look at it from that perspective, let's paint the scenario where we just write off this season for Foster because he clearly has been hurt. So he gets repaired and we are left with the product of his work he has shown us. Its REALLY good. Then he comes back but you know what's changed? He is healthy, he is motivated and, not that he had much sharing to do before, but that Tate guy isn't here any more either and the guy that is here now is most definitely not a high draft pick. So if he is healthy, and someone grabs him the 3rd, they are basically getting the same production as the guy that spent their top five on whomever they loved.

 

[Chaka]

If Tate moves on and Foster is healthy entering FF drafts next year, where does he get drafted?

My guess would be late in round 2 or early in round 3 as a best case scenario. He's clearly an RB2 at this point.

I wouldn't totally agree with that. It depends how healthy he comes back and what he does in camp. In the full games he played before getting hurt, he was a RB1 even splitting with Tate. With no Tate next year and healthy, I see no reason he wouldn't be a clear RB1 in fantasy. Fear of "breaking down" would likely keep him out of round 1.

I'm going to respectfully disagree. FWIW, presuming Foster is completely healthy, running well in camp, and that Tate has moved on, I would take the following RBs over him:

1. Charles

2. Lynch

3. ADP

4. McCoy

5. Forte

6. Morris

7. Bernard

8. Lacy

To me Foster is in a large group of players that include Murray, Gore, Ridley, Rice, Tate, Johnson, D. Martin. On my board, in a best case scenario, he would check in as RB9 overall. For that to happen, everything would have to trend towards a rebound. That also presumes young bucks like Stacy, Bell, and Miller trend downward. Truthfully, it becomes a jumbled mess IMO after those 8 guys. Couple that with elite WRs and a few elite QBs and Foster's injury, I'm not taking him before the top of round #3 at this point.

I'd be curious to get other's feedback.

I think you would be making the "Adrian Peterson" mistake by letting him fall late enough into rounds 2 or 3 that he basically makes some guy's team. I agree that it will probably happen because people love to downgrade running backs, especially ones that have had an injury, and people particularly love to be on the "Arian foster is falling" watch. They have been for years so proclaiming his demise brings a bit of extra joy to a select group of people.

However, if we keep in mind that all RBs get hurt from time to time (there are NONE that I know of that have played effectively for 3-4 straight years and had no injuries) then we also might accept that many Rbs go through a trough but then ascend again.

So, if we look at it from that perspective, let's paint the scenario where we just write off this season for Foster because he clearly has been hurt. So he gets repaired and we are left with the product of his work he has shown us. Its REALLY good. Then he comes back but you know what's changed? He is healthy, he is motivated and, not that he had much sharing to do before, but that Tate guy isn't here any more either and the guy that is here now is most definitely not a high draft pick. So if he is healthy, and someone grabs him the 3rd, they are basically getting the same production as the guy that spent their top five on whomever they loved.

It's a decent enough theory but what happens if he comes back and is not the guy you hope he will be? You wasted a top 5 pick.

I am as big of a Foster fan as you will find but even I acknowledge that Foster is nowhere near the athlete that Peterson is. A good deal of Foster's success comes from the system (which may or may not be in place next year) and the fact that he was running behind one of the best lines in the league (which is not as good this year as it was in the past and may or may not improve next year).

Lots of variables surrounding Foster and I think you need to start from a position that Foster is not Adrian Peterson.