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Hammered Finz
Footballguy
That's what happens when you piss off the APPALACHIAN-AMERICANS!!!
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
My first thought was Andy Rooney and I knew that couldn't be right.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
This needs to be a TV ad STAT!BLASPHEMER! The Rooneys are the owners of the Steelers! Greatest Football franchise evah!
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/p...amfelsen/gGBpTD
Pai Mei
Footballguy
Possibly. We'll have to see.
adonis
Footballguy
Bush won in 2000 and 2004. The american people have shown that they don't really care about electing the most intelligent person for the job.And in no way am I agreeing with you that he's a moron. It's a sad attempt at portraying him this way, and it's a losing battle.
Pai Mei
Footballguy
The latest Ras poll
Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters nationwide disagree with Barack Obama’s statement that people in small towns “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 25% agree with the Democratic frontrunner while 19% are not sure.
Partisan and ideological differences suggest that the comments are more likely to be a factor in the General Election than in the Primaries. A plurality of politically liberal voters—46%--agree with Obama’s statement while 33% disagree. Moderate voters take the opposite view and disagree by a 51% to 27% margin. Seventy-four percent (74%) of conservatives disagree with Obama’s statement, only 12% agree.
Democrats are fairly evenly divided—34% agree with Obama and 43% disagree. Generally, Obama supporters agree with him while Hillary Clinton’s supporters disagree.
Republicans overwhelmingly disagree with the statement and unaffiliated voters disagree by a two-to-one margin.
Voters under 30 are evenly divided on Obama’s statement while their elders strongly disagree. Fifty-three percent (53%) of African-Americans agree with Obama’s statement while 29% disagree. White voters disagree by a 3-to-1 margin.
Forty-five percent (45%) say that Obama’s comments reflect an elitist view of small town voters. Thirty-seven percent (37%) disagree. Republicans overwhelmingly say that the statements are elitist and most Democrats disagree. Among unaffiliated voters, 40% say they represent an elitist view while 34% disagree.
People who have followed the story are much more likely than other voters to disagree with Obama’s statements and to consider them elitist. To date, just 25% have followed the news story Very Closely while another 30% have followed it Somewhat Closely.
The survey also confirmed that the Obama campaign and its surrogates were very shrewd to try and switch the conversation to whether or not people are bitter and want change in Washington. Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters agreed with Obama’s statement that “People are fed up. They're angry and they're frustrated and they're bitter, and they want to see a change in Washington.” Just 32% disagree. Most Democrats and most unaffiliated voters agree with Obama on this point. Clinton’s campaign initially challenged Obama’s use of the word “bitter” but quickly changed its focus to the more controversial aspects of Obama’s statement.
Interesting that Obama's latest gaffe hurts him where you'd think his largest support is - moderates.
Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters nationwide disagree with Barack Obama’s statement that people in small towns “cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey found that just 25% agree with the Democratic frontrunner while 19% are not sure.
Partisan and ideological differences suggest that the comments are more likely to be a factor in the General Election than in the Primaries. A plurality of politically liberal voters—46%--agree with Obama’s statement while 33% disagree. Moderate voters take the opposite view and disagree by a 51% to 27% margin. Seventy-four percent (74%) of conservatives disagree with Obama’s statement, only 12% agree.
Democrats are fairly evenly divided—34% agree with Obama and 43% disagree. Generally, Obama supporters agree with him while Hillary Clinton’s supporters disagree.
Republicans overwhelmingly disagree with the statement and unaffiliated voters disagree by a two-to-one margin.
Voters under 30 are evenly divided on Obama’s statement while their elders strongly disagree. Fifty-three percent (53%) of African-Americans agree with Obama’s statement while 29% disagree. White voters disagree by a 3-to-1 margin.
Forty-five percent (45%) say that Obama’s comments reflect an elitist view of small town voters. Thirty-seven percent (37%) disagree. Republicans overwhelmingly say that the statements are elitist and most Democrats disagree. Among unaffiliated voters, 40% say they represent an elitist view while 34% disagree.
People who have followed the story are much more likely than other voters to disagree with Obama’s statements and to consider them elitist. To date, just 25% have followed the news story Very Closely while another 30% have followed it Somewhat Closely.
The survey also confirmed that the Obama campaign and its surrogates were very shrewd to try and switch the conversation to whether or not people are bitter and want change in Washington. Fifty-six percent (56%) of voters agreed with Obama’s statement that “People are fed up. They're angry and they're frustrated and they're bitter, and they want to see a change in Washington.” Just 32% disagree. Most Democrats and most unaffiliated voters agree with Obama on this point. Clinton’s campaign initially challenged Obama’s use of the word “bitter” but quickly changed its focus to the more controversial aspects of Obama’s statement.
Interesting that Obama's latest gaffe hurts him where you'd think his largest support is - moderates.
Pai Mei
Footballguy
I'm much more worried about McCain. I have a bad feeling McCain is going to pick some young, hard-headed strongman as his veep. Sort of the Anakin to his Sidious.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
adonis
Footballguy
I think he gets quite a bit of support from liberals.
, heck, moveon.org endorsed him and I think they're far from moderate. I think he pulls his share of moderates, but I dunno if I'd consider his largest support.
Skippy the one eyed Beagle
Footballguy
anyone have a link to the thread/article that talked about obama and clinton's tax plan and who they considered "rich"
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Hillary release her taxes yet?
SofaKings
Footballguy
He left a Cubs jersey in the cement?
Yup...quietly on a Friday over a week ago. And based on her earnings, she has some nerve stating she "gets" the average gun-totin', Bible-thumpin' yokel. Apparently she's even handing out 'I'm not bitter' pins and bumper stickers.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Where to begin...
Tigran Petrosian
Footballguy
Olberman spun away on his show, but I don't think he's right on this one. This will hurt.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Yep, Bill and Hillary made over $100 million since vacating the White House and McCain and his wife own EIGHT houses. And yet Obama is the elitist.
Tigran Petrosian
Footballguy
She's already overplaying her hand, IMO. The smart move is to let the voters digest and decide. They don't need a lecture on how badly someone gaffed. I was surprised to see the Pittsburgh audience actually turn on her comments. She's walking a tightrope with this "Obama is an elitist" thing. It's not a reasonable argument if you examine the full body of evidence. A grad of Wellesley and Yale law who co-earned 109 million in 7 years is not exactly in tune with blue collar America. Well, none of them are, but she's really pushing her luck.Yep, Bill and Hillary made over $100 million since vacating the White House and McCain and his wife own EIGHT houses. And yet Obama is the elitist.
skol asylum
Footballguy
But Annie Oakley here is running around dodging sniper fire, downing shots, and bragging about shooting ducks as a young girl. Clearly a blue collar citizen if I've ever seen one.She's already overplaying her hand, IMO. The smart move is to let the voters digest and decide. They don't need a lecture on how badly someone gaffed. I was surprised to see the Pittsburgh audience actually turn on her comments. She's walking a tightrope with this "Obama is an elitist" thing. It's not a reasonable argument if you examine the full body of evidence. A grad of Wellesley and Yale law who co-earned 109 million in 7 years is not exactly in tune with blue collar America. Well, none of them are, but she's really pushing her luck.Yep, Bill and Hillary made over $100 million since vacating the White House and McCain and his wife own EIGHT houses. And yet Obama is the elitist.
jabarony
Footballguy
So, no?There is only one reason people support him so - white guilt.ZING!That was funny AND witty at the same time!
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
This is clearly incorrectShe's already overplaying her hand, IMO. The smart move is to let the voters digest and decide. They don't need a lecture on how badly someone gaffed. I was surprised to see the Pittsburgh audience actually turn on her comments. She's walking a tightrope with this "Obama is an elitist" thing. It's not a reasonable argument if you examine the full body of evidence. A grad of Wellesley and Yale law who co-earned 109 million in 7 years is not exactly in tune with blue collar America. Well, none of them are, but she's really pushing her luck.Yep, Bill and Hillary made over $100 million since vacating the White House and McCain and his wife own EIGHT houses. And yet Obama is the elitist.
skol asylum
Footballguy
Well, she basically threw Kerry AND Gore under the bus calling them elitist too. And remember Gore is the one all the talking heads are saying could play a pivotal role in breaking any kind of deadlock for the nomination. That at as a misstep is not getting enough attention in my opinion.This is clearly incorrectShe's already overplaying her hand, IMO. The smart move is to let the voters digest and decide. They don't need a lecture on how badly someone gaffed. I was surprised to see the Pittsburgh audience actually turn on her comments. She's walking a tightrope with this "Obama is an elitist" thing. It's not a reasonable argument if you examine the full body of evidence. A grad of Wellesley and Yale law who co-earned 109 million in 7 years is not exactly in tune with blue collar America. Well, none of them are, but she's really pushing her luck.Yep, Bill and Hillary made over $100 million since vacating the White House and McCain and his wife own EIGHT houses. And yet Obama is the elitist.
All Your Base Are Belong To Us
Footballguy
How could you possibly judge this already? There's no way to tell yet.This is clearly incorrectShe's already overplaying her hand, IMO. The smart move is to let the voters digest and decide. They don't need a lecture on how badly someone gaffed. I was surprised to see the Pittsburgh audience actually turn on her comments. She's walking a tightrope with this "Obama is an elitist" thing. It's not a reasonable argument if you examine the full body of evidence. A grad of Wellesley and Yale law who co-earned 109 million in 7 years is not exactly in tune with blue collar America. Well, none of them are, but she's really pushing her luck.Yep, Bill and Hillary made over $100 million since vacating the White House and McCain and his wife own EIGHT houses. And yet Obama is the elitist.
gocolts
Footballguy
Your right. Obama makes it VERY easy for people to change their minds about him.
All Your Base Are Belong To Us
Footballguy
Your?
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Oh thank God. Gocolts is here.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
Wow. The dooshiness is strong in this one.So, no?There is only one reason people support him so - white guilt.ZING!That was funny AND witty at the same time!
All Your Base Are Belong To Us
Footballguy
All Your Base Are Belong To Us
Footballguy
Yes. So let's get it in gear already.proninja said:
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
proninja said:
Hillary's latest ad
If dropping Penn was supposed to remove the conflict of interest between her and McCain's campaign, why is she still doing the work for him?
If dropping Penn was supposed to remove the conflict of interest between her and McCain's campaign, why is she still doing the work for him?
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
:neckpunch:
Sweet J
Footballguy
Here is what Andrew Sullivan has to say about this ad:
Tigran Petrosian
Footballguy
So, no?There is only one reason people support him so - white guilt.ZING!That was funny AND witty at the same time!
I have no idea what that even means.Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Yea, while Obama spoke here yesterday, when he addressed those comments some people yelled out "we are bitter!"She's already overplaying her hand, IMO. The smart move is to let the voters digest and decide. They don't need a lecture on how badly someone gaffed. I was surprised to see the Pittsburgh audience actually turn on her comments. She's walking a tightrope with this "Obama is an elitist" thing. It's not a reasonable argument if you examine the full body of evidence. A grad of Wellesley and Yale law who co-earned 109 million in 7 years is not exactly in tune with blue collar America. Well, none of them are, but she's really pushing her luck.Yep, Bill and Hillary made over $100 million since vacating the White House and McCain and his wife own EIGHT houses. And yet Obama is the elitist.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Andrew Sullivan is consistently tiresome, but he's right about this one. The "Obama is an elitist" meme is one that probably doesn't work all that well in the Democratic primaries (judging by the reaction to Hillary's use of this theme), but it's great for a general election if you're McCain. Again, it's almost like Hillary is acting as an agent of the McCain campaign. First there was the "3 a.m." ad. Then there was the line about how Hillary knows that she and McCain are both ready to be President but Obama only gave a speech once. Now there's this. I'm pretty sure this is unprecedented in my lifetime.
gocolts
Footballguy
So you think Hillery should just hand over the nomination and do nothing to prevent a complete disaster from getting in the White House???
adonis
Footballguy
Perhaps she should hand over the nomination in order to prevent a complete disaster from getting in the White House...
flufhed
Footballguy
I agree, stupid stupid STUPID comment.You had John Kerry four years ago wind-surfing and snowboarding. Now Obama's comments. Once againi, Dems will be perceived as out of touch.Also, this gives alot of hope to Hillary, or at least a very good reason to stay in. The longer the race goes on, the more Obama shoots himself in the foot.
Sweet J
Footballguy
If she actually believes that McCain will be a better president than Obama, then she is doing exactly what she should be doing. In fact, once she gets knocked out (and she will), I'd probably have more respect for her if she went ahead and publically backed McCain. But if she acts like this now, and then later backs Obama against McCain, then either way she is a hypocrite.
Tigran Petrosian
Footballguy
Hillery?
She permanently entrenched herself as a hypocrite the moment she released the 3am ad and then said Obama could be her V.P.If she actually believes that McCain will be a better president than Obama, then she is doing exactly what she should be doing. In fact, once she gets knocked out (and she will), I'd probably have more respect for her if she went ahead and publically backed McCain. But if she acts like this now, and then later backs Obama against McCain, then either way she is a hypocrite.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
McCain is from military admirals. Hillary was married to a president. Obama is the one who got where he is on his own merits, yet he is the elitest?I agree, stupid stupid STUPID comment.You had John Kerry four years ago wind-surfing and snowboarding. Now Obama's comments. Once againi, Dems will be perceived as out of touch.Also, this gives alot of hope to Hillary, or at least a very good reason to stay in. The longer the race goes on, the more Obama shoots himself in the foot.
flufhed
Footballguy
Yep, Hillary is doing all of this solely for the good of the country. Only a Clinton is TRULY capable of running this place. We really should be thanking her that she has stayed in this long, giving us all a chance to question our decision to support Obama. Thank God for Hillary.
flufhed
Footballguy
Agreed.Too bad he has now made it impossible to advance this argument.McCain is from military admirals. Hillary was married to a president. Obama is the one who got where he is on his own merits, yet he is the elitest?I agree, stupid stupid STUPID comment.You had John Kerry four years ago wind-surfing and snowboarding. Now Obama's comments. Once againi, Dems will be perceived as out of touch.Also, this gives alot of hope to Hillary, or at least a very good reason to stay in. The longer the race goes on, the more Obama shoots himself in the foot.
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
:neckpunch:
gocolts
Footballguy
Hillary did say she and McCain offer experience and Obama offers speeches. Maybe she is also a believer in "Knowing what you are doing" like Obama use to be.If she actually believes that McCain will be a better president than Obama, then she is doing exactly what she should be doing. In fact, once she gets knocked out (and she will), I'd probably have more respect for her if she went ahead and publically backed McCain. But if she acts like this now, and then later backs Obama against McCain, then either way she is a hypocrite.
Sweet J
Footballguy
That doesn't come close to making sense.Hillary did say she and McCain offer experience and Obama offers speeches. Maybe she is also a believer in "Knowing what you are doing" like Obama use to be.If she actually believes that McCain will be a better president than Obama, then she is doing exactly what she should be doing. In fact, once she gets knocked out (and she will), I'd probably have more respect for her if she went ahead and publically backed McCain. But if she acts like this now, and then later backs Obama against McCain, then either way she is a hypocrite.
