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[NorvilleBarnes]

.....and Obama takes another step toward an ingenious feeling that is permeating his campaign. If you look at how he has fared against Hillary in the last two months, it hasn't been pretty. He's been getting destroyed. He will beat her to the finish line, but he is limping there. And in this fight, his ship has taken some serious blows. He is taking on water.

I completely agree. This is the most bizarre election I've ever seen or heard of. There's a general consensus that it's over - and you'd think her supporters would get discouraged and stay home and his supporters would get excited and go vote anyway. In fact, you'd think he'd pick up a huge segment of her base who now want to be on the winning side.Her biggest wins came when it didn't matter: Florida and Michigan were stripped of their delegates - and West Virginia and Kentucky are literally too little too late.His biggest wins came when it mattered most: Iowa and the post Super Tuesday winning streak.So now he has it all but wrapped up and he still can't get the blue collars on his bandwagon. When that many people would rather throw away their vote than "unify", then he's got a problem.Fortunately he's running against McCain - but this has the makings of a one term presidency.

 

[adonis]

Fortunately he's running against McCain - but this has the makings of a one term presidency.

Let's not get too carried away here...Bush won a second term after his showing in the first 4 years. This just goes to show that anything is possible.

 

[lexmark]

Obama does not need Pennsylvania, Ohio or Florida to win. Any one of these state will make it a sure thing. But here is his road map to victory without any of them...

California (55)

Colorado (9)

Connecticut (7)

DC (3)

Deleware (3)

Georgia (15)

Hawaii (4)

Illinois (21)

Iowa (7)

Maine (4)

Maryland (10)

Massachusetts (12)

Michigan (17)

Minnesota (10)

New Jersey (15)

New Mexico (5)

New York (31)

Oregon (7)

Rhode Island (4)

Vermont (3)

Virginia (13)

Washington (11)

Wisconsin (10)

Total 276

Edit: Of these Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Virginia and Georgia were taken by Bush in 2004 and given to Barrack. Pennsylvania and New Hampshire were taken by Kerry and not given to Barrack.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I think he can and will win those states.

I think Georgia is up for grabs, but not automatically in his column. He needs to win one or two (depending on which ones - if he wins MO, he still needs another state) of GA, NC, MO, PA, OH, FL to pull it off.

That's with Obama having:

WA

OR

CA

CO

MN

IA

IL

MI

ME

VT

MA

NY

CT

NJ

DE

MD

VA

DC

 

[Spiderman]

Do you feel that Obama's image is taking a beating in key demographics that will be tough to recover from? Exit polling from white blue collar voters show character issues with the candidate, which are historically more difficult to overcome than policy differences.

Before I answer much about it, can you link to what character issues people have with Obama? I've been out of the news loop for a bit.

Obama lost young people 55-39, getting worse as the Demographic got older. He was destroyed in groups without college degrees 69-25. He was destroyed with whites 72-22 and blew the doors off of blacks. He got crushed in recent deciders 57-37. For those earning less than $50K, Obama got annihilated 67-28. This State was loaded with blue collar, white Democrats, and Obama did not relate, he was destroyed as bad as he was in any other State. The only Demographic he won was blacks and that won't fly in the National Election.

 

[adonis]

Do you feel that Obama's image is taking a beating in key demographics that will be tough to recover from? Exit polling from white blue collar voters show character issues with the candidate, which are historically more difficult to overcome than policy differences.

Before I answer much about it, can you link to what character issues people have with Obama? I've been out of the news loop for a bit.

Obama lost young people 55-39, getting worse as the Demographic got older. He was destroyed in groups without college degrees 69-25. He was destroyed with whites 72-22 and blew the doors off of blacks. He got crushed in recent deciders 57-37. For those earning less than $50K, Obama got annihilated 67-28. This State was loaded with blue collar, white Democrats, and Obama did not relate, he was destroyed as bad as he was in any other State. The only Demographic he won was blacks and that won't fly in the National Election.

Didn't he basically neglect the entire state regarding campaigning?

 

[adonis]

To this point, the only person who has seriously had a lot of negatives thrown his way has been Obama. McCain has been pretty clean, and so has Hillary despite her numerous numbers of bags she carries around.

I can't imagine much more coming out on Obama, or him taking more of a beating on the same issues, but McCain CERTAINLY has room to drop once attacks and criticisms start going his way.

I do think it's kinda exceptional that Obama is doing as well as he did considering he was really the one to undergo the most amount of negative attacks, while most attacks on relationships, who clinton knew, scandals she was involved with previously, largely went unaddressed.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Do you feel that Obama's image is taking a beating in key demographics that will be tough to recover from? Exit polling from white blue collar voters show character issues with the candidate, which are historically more difficult to overcome than policy differences.

Before I answer much about it, can you link to what character issues people have with Obama? I've been out of the news loop for a bit.

Obama lost young people 55-39, getting worse as the Demographic got older. He was destroyed in groups without college degrees 69-25. He was destroyed with whites 72-22 and blew the doors off of blacks. He got crushed in recent deciders 57-37. For those earning less than $50K, Obama got annihilated 67-28. This State was loaded with blue collar, white Democrats, and Obama did not relate, he was destroyed as bad as he was in any other State. The only Demographic he won was blacks and that won't fly in the National Election.

I guess it's a good thing then that WV and KY aren't typical of the demographics and voting patterns of the vast majority of states. Of the recent contests, Obama still chrushed Clinton in Oregon and NC where the demos where in his favor. It's been clearly established that he doesn't have a problem winning white votes. He clearly has issues with a specific segment of the white vote, but those "Democrats" have been voting Republican for years anyway. It's not just Obama's problem. I saw one stat after WV that around 20% (from memory, too busy to look up right now) of people voting Clinton said they were going to vote for McCain in the Fall regardless of the Dem nominee was. Of the demographics that Obama is struggling in, I'm much more concerned about the Senior vote.

 

[Spiderman]

According to the latest Rasmussen polls, 49% of Americans say that Victory in Iraq is "Likely" if McCain is elected. Just 20% feel that victory is likely if Obama is elected. Point McCain. Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

Next poll. 62% of Americans (and climbing) believe a smaller government with less taxes is better. Just 29% believe a larger government and more taxes are better for the future. 60% of Americans believe raising taxes hurts the economy. Point McCain.

Next poll. 56% of Americans are worried that the next President will raise taxes too much. Point McCain.

Next poll. 47% of Americans believe the rest of the world (UN) should do what the US wants more often. Just 28% think we should listen to the UN more often (as has been suggested by Barack Obama). Point McCain.

 

[flufhed]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

 

[Spiderman]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

Not if they believe your distortions.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

According to the latest Rasmussen polls, 49% of Americans say that Victory in Iraq is "Likely" if McCain is elected. Just 20% feel that victory is likely if Obama is elected.

I thought we already achieved victory in Iraq. I mean, I know things didn't work out the way we planned, but we did already achieve the goals we set out to accomplish there.The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 authorized the President to use military force against Iraq to achieve the following two specific objectives:

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq ; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq

Both objectives were achieved as soon as we toppled Saddam Hussein's regime (which was the target of all the UN resolutions) and discovered that there were no WMDs there.

 

[adonis]

According to the latest Rasmussen polls, 49% of Americans say that Victory in Iraq is "Likely" if McCain is elected. Just 20% feel that victory is likely if Obama is elected. Point McCain. Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

Next poll. 62% of Americans (and climbing) believe a smaller government with less taxes is better. Just 29% believe a larger government and more taxes are better for the future. 60% of Americans believe raising taxes hurts the economy. Point McCain.

Next poll. 56% of Americans are worried that the next President will raise taxes too much. Point McCain.

Next poll. 47% of Americans believe the rest of the world (UN) should do what the US wants more often. Just 28% think we should listen to the UN more often (as has been suggested by Barack Obama). Point McCain.

If you wanna talk about polls at this point, and I don't, why not look at these results? Current within past couple of weeks.

 

[Voltaire]

By the way, can a Hillary supporter (Gopher State?) help me out on something: isn't Kentucky one of those states where "Democrats have no shot in November," such that it doesn't matter, and we can ignore last night's results? You know, like Clinton has said about Utah, Idaho and others? And isn't Oregon one of those "battleground" states?

Oregon is not a battleground state.And ALOT of Obama wins came in states where he doesnt have a shot in November.

I remember OR being pretty close in 2004.

In terms of current polling, Obama leads in almost every major poll while Hillary and McCain split. It looks like it's a battle ground state if Hillary gets the nod (with a slight edge to her right now) and about a 90% chance if Obama runs.

 

[phthalatemagic]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

I grew up in Portland, too. I know that area very well (used to work at the Harborside Restaurant years ago). No question they could fit 50,000 in that area with another 15000 milling around the outside. Absolutely no problem imagining that.Plus, I would expect that the PDX fire department has a much better handle on these estimates than you or I do.

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.I'm just sayin. I remember seeing buddy guy there in 2005 to a packed house and the paper said there were 15,000 people "packing the park". So I guess if Obama packs it in, its 65,000 but if Buddy Guy packs the same exact space its only 15,000.

Maybe Buddy Guy fans are really fat

 

[Intergalactic Kegger]

Fortunately he's running against McCain - but this has the makings of a one term presidency.

Let's not get too carried away here...Bush won a second term after his showing in the first 4 years. This just goes to show that anything is possible.

I think Bush only won in 2004 because of residual patriotic feelings from the early years of the war. Without patriotic war support, Kerry is the president right now.

 

[Intergalactic Kegger]

According to the latest Rasmussen polls, 49% of Americans say that Victory in Iraq is "Likely" if McCain is elected. Just 20% feel that victory is likely if Obama is elected. Point McCain. Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism. Next poll. 62% of Americans (and climbing) believe a smaller government with less taxes is better. Just 29% believe a larger government and more taxes are better for the future. 60% of Americans believe raising taxes hurts the economy. Point McCain. Next poll. 56% of Americans are worried that the next President will raise taxes too much. Point McCain. Next poll. 47% of Americans believe the rest of the world (UN) should do what the US wants more often. Just 28% think we should listen to the UN more often (as has been suggested by Barack Obama). Point McCain.

Yep. A growing majority of Americans believe in smaller government and less taxes. However, the democrats are winning on just about every single issue right now. But we know the democrats want bigger government, so it doesn't make sense. It probably means the big problem is the failure of the republicans to communicate their ideas to the people. They need to point out where they have met these goals and where they have failed, explain why and how they plan to correct it. They aren't doing that.

 

[adonis]

Do you feel that Obama's image is taking a beating in key demographics that will be tough to recover from? Exit polling from white blue collar voters show character issues with the candidate, which are historically more difficult to overcome than policy differences.

Just read this and thought it might interest you...maybe, but probably not:from msnbc firstread

*** A tale of two states: Here’s another thing that last night’s contests once again taught us: Obama doesn’t have a problem with white working-class voters; he has a problem with white-working class voters in Appalachian states. In Kentucky, just one in five of these folks backed him, but in Oregon nearly half of them did. How different are these two states? Consider these exit-poll numbers… In Kentucky, 57% of primary-goers believe the federal gas-tax holiday is a good idea, while 39% said it was a bad idea. But in Oregon, those numbers were essentially reversed: Just 26% said it was a good idea, while 63% said it was a bad idea. In Kentucky, moreover, 53% said that Obama shares Jeremiah Wright’s values; in Oregon, just 32% said that. One other thing to keep in mind regarding Clinton's success in Kentucky and West Virginia, and it has to do with the Clinton brand and the economy. These folks in Appalachia have been hit harder by this economy than folks in other parts of the country. And the last time things were looking up was when a Clinton was in the White House. So while there are a lot of folks wanting to think the worst of some of these voters, let's keep in mind: Appalachia and the Rust Belt, more than any other region of the country, are more likely to vote their pocket book when the economy is in the toilet. And this is where the Clinton brand comes into play. And it could be her best pitch to Obama types when it comes to the veep discussion.

 

[flufhed]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

Not if they believe your distortions.

New that would give you an out - my mistake.Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

 

[flufhed]

According to the latest Rasmussen polls, 49% of Americans say that Victory in Iraq is "Likely" if McCain is elected. Just 20% feel that victory is likely if Obama is elected.

I thought we already achieved victory in Iraq. I mean, I know things didn't work out the way we planned, but we did already achieve the goals we set out to accomplish there.The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 authorized the President to use military force against Iraq to achieve the following two specific objectives:

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq ; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq

Both objectives were achieved as soon as we toppled Saddam Hussein's regime (which was the target of all the UN resolutions) and discovered that there were no WMDs there.

We are our own worse enemy in Iraq?

Why the ### don't we use the next major goal or something reached in Iraq as a chance to declare victory, bring most of our troops home in honor, and leave a force sufficient to fight Al-Qaida in the outlying areas, and train Iraqi troops?

 

[Hammered Finz]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

Not if they believe your distortions.

New that would give you an out - my mistake.Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

But I thought that Nancy Pelosi and the newly elected Dems in the Senate promised to "end this war"?? What happened there?

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Spidey, the women are not going to be crying sexism. You are making that up.

There might be a few that cry this but nobody will be taking them seriously.

The women who voted for Hillary will end up voting for Obama by and large.

 

[flufhed]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

Not if they believe your distortions.

New that would give you an out - my mistake.Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

But I thought that Nancy Pelosi and the newly elected Dems in the Senate promised to "end this war"?? What happened there?

I'm not sure, but good job changing the subject. :thumbsup:

 

[Hammered Finz]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

Not if they believe your distortions.

New that would give you an out - my mistake.Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

But I thought that Nancy Pelosi and the newly elected Dems in the Senate promised to "end this war"?? What happened there?

I'm not sure, but good job changing the subject. :thumbsup:

not trying to change the subject- we are talking about the war.. they were elected based on promises to end the war, yet we are now focusing on an out-of -context quote from a candidate.. I think the newly elected Senators should be taken to task..

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

Not if they believe your distortions.

New that would give you an out - my mistake.Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

But I thought that Nancy Pelosi and the newly elected Dems in the Senate promised to "end this war"?? What happened there?

I'm not sure, but good job changing the subject. :thumbsup:

not trying to change the subject- we are talking about the war.. they were elected based on promises to end the war, yet we are now focusing on an out-of -context quote from a candidate.. I think the newly elected Senators should be taken to task..

The answer is: they've tried to end it. The problem is that Bush is required to go along with it. The only option they had was to completely defund it which is effectively political suicide. Bush and his supporters in Congress would have painted it as abandoning the troops and irresponsible behavior. They already laid the groundwork for this by saying soldiers wouldn't have the tools they need to defend themselves.There was no practical way for Congress to end the war. Bush had to be at least somewhat receptive to it, but it was obvious he wasn't. The day after the '06 election, he canned Rumsfeld and plugged in Gates. It was reiterated that we're staying through the end of Bush's term.

I'm not sure this is a fair criticism. No one body can act alone. There has to be some cooperation.

 

[Hammered Finz]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

Not if they believe your distortions.

New that would give you an out - my mistake.Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

But I thought that Nancy Pelosi and the newly elected Dems in the Senate promised to "end this war"?? What happened there?

I'm not sure, but good job changing the subject. :thumbsup:

not trying to change the subject- we are talking about the war.. they were elected based on promises to end the war, yet we are now focusing on an out-of -context quote from a candidate.. I think the newly elected Senators should be taken to task..

The answer is: they've tried to end it. The problem is that Bush is required to go along with it. The only option they had was to completely defund it which is effectively political suicide. Bush and his supporters in Congress would have painted it as abandoning the troops and irresponsible behavior. They already laid the groundwork for this by saying soldiers wouldn't have the tools they need to defend themselves.There was no practical way for Congress to end the war. Bush had to be at least somewhat receptive to it, but it was obvious he wasn't. The day after the '06 election, he canned Rumsfeld and plugged in Gates. It was reiterated that we're staying through the end of Bush's term.

I'm not sure this is a fair criticism. No one body can act alone. There has to be some cooperation.

well, then perhaps they shouldn't have promised to "end the war" during their campaigns? But then again. politicians will say anything to get elected, I guess..

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Yep. A growing majority of Americans believe in smaller government and less taxes. However, the democrats are winning on just about every single issue right now. But we know the democrats want bigger government, so it doesn't make sense. It probably means the big problem is the failure of the republicans to communicate their ideas to the people.

I think the problem is that the past few Republican administrations have increased the size and scope of government to a greater extent than the Democrats ever have.A lot of people who would prefer smaller government have traditionally voted Republican because, from Goldwater through Reagan and through Gingrich's Contract with America, the Republicans have preached smaller government (compared to the Democrats).

There are still a few Republicans around who preach smaller government, but they have become outcasts of the party to a significant extent. (Look at how Ron Paul was treated by the Republican leadership during the primaries -- branded a loon and excluded from many debates.)

To a very large extent, while the Democrats are still the party of Big Government, the Republicans have become the party of Bigger Government. This is not a communication problem. It is a reality problem.

 

[CBusAlex]

Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

But I thought that Nancy Pelosi and the newly elected Dems in the Senate promised to "end this war"?? What happened there?

I'm not sure, but good job changing the subject. :thumbsup:

not trying to change the subject- we are talking about the war..

If you're not trying to change the subject, then

Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

 

[CBusAlex]

well, then perhaps they shouldn't have promised to "end the war" during their campaigns?

Link?

 

[Jeremy]

Spidey, the women are not going to be crying sexism. You are making that up. There might be a few that cry this but nobody will be taking them seriously.The women who voted for Hillary will end up voting for Obama by and large.

Especially after those women are reminded of the age of some of the Supreme Court justices, and McCain's pledge to appoint conservative judges.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Spidey, the women are not going to be crying sexism. You are making that up. There might be a few that cry this but nobody will be taking them seriously.The women who voted for Hillary will end up voting for Obama by and large.

Especially after those women are reminded of the age of some of the Supreme Court justices, and McCain's pledge to appoint conservative judges.

I think that Obama should tap (teehee) into all those women by bringing up this and the Roe v. Wade consequences during the General. I'm think a whole lot of Hillary voters will be voting Obama when they consider that.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Spidey, the women are not going to be crying sexism. You are making that up. There might be a few that cry this but nobody will be taking them seriously.The women who voted for Hillary will end up voting for Obama by and large.

Especially after those women are reminded of the age of some of the Supreme Court justices, and McCain's pledge to appoint conservative judges.

I think that Obama should tap (teehee) into all those women by bringing up this and the Roe v. Wade consequences during the General. I'm think a whole lot of Hillary voters will be voting Obama when they consider that.

Oh, that's going to be a huge point in the general...Plus you are going to have groups like NOW, etc mobilzing the female voters...It's part of the reason why I think the whole "Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama" is overblown...Let's see what the polls look like a month after Obama gets the nomination

 

[simey]

Spidey, the women are not going to be crying sexism. You are making that up. There might be a few that cry this but nobody will be taking them seriously.The women who voted for Hillary will end up voting for Obama by and large.

Why wouldn't they be taken seriously?

 

[Jefferson the Caregiver]

Spidey, the women are not going to be crying sexism. You are making that up. There might be a few that cry this but nobody will be taking them seriously.The women who voted for Hillary will end up voting for Obama by and large.

Why wouldn't they be taken seriously?

Why? Because its not a legitimate argument. Are you telling me you think sexism is the reason why Hillary lost?I don't doubt there will be some women out on the fringe saying this, I don't think its going to be prevalent.I believe most of the women that voted for Hillary are going to switch over to Obama. You aren't going to be hearing a lot of cries of foul.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Spidey, the women are not going to be crying sexism. You are making that up. There might be a few that cry this but nobody will be taking them seriously.The women who voted for Hillary will end up voting for Obama by and large.

Why wouldn't they be taken seriously?

Why? Because its not a legitimate argument. Are you telling me you think sexism is the reason why Hillary lost?I don't doubt there will be some women out on the fringe saying this, I don't think its going to be prevalent.I believe most of the women that voted for Hillary are going to switch over to Obama. You aren't going to be hearing a lot of cries of foul.

Women have made up about 60% of the voters in Democratic primaries and caucuses, and Obama has won the good majority of them. It's hard to see how a case can be made that sexism has been significant factor.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

Not if they believe your distortions.

New that would give you an out - my mistake.Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

But I thought that Nancy Pelosi and the newly elected Dems in the Senate promised to "end this war"?? What happened there?

I'm not sure, but good job changing the subject. :thumbsup:

not trying to change the subject- we are talking about the war.. they were elected based on promises to end the war, yet we are now focusing on an out-of -context quote from a candidate.. I think the newly elected Senators should be taken to task..

The answer is: they've tried to end it. The problem is that Bush is required to go along with it. The only option they had was to completely defund it which is effectively political suicide. Bush and his supporters in Congress would have painted it as abandoning the troops and irresponsible behavior. They already laid the groundwork for this by saying soldiers wouldn't have the tools they need to defend themselves.There was no practical way for Congress to end the war. Bush had to be at least somewhat receptive to it, but it was obvious he wasn't. The day after the '06 election, he canned Rumsfeld and plugged in Gates. It was reiterated that we're staying through the end of Bush's term.

I'm not sure this is a fair criticism. No one body can act alone. There has to be some cooperation.

well, then perhaps they shouldn't have promised to "end the war" during their campaigns? But then again. politicians will say anything to get elected, I guess..

I don't think that was a promise as much as it was an issue they were running on. Congress can't really end a war. They did basically everything in their power to force the issue, but it was obvious Bush wasn't going to even hold a discussion.Honestly, I don't see how this can be Congress' fault. They did what they could to bring it to a close short of defunding it. Had they done that, things would have gotten horrendously messy, and I can guarantee you that peoples' opinions of Washington in general would have been even lower than they are now (if that's even possible). Bush hasn't even held a forum on this. You can't do much without a super majority in Congress given an obstinate president. Not a political attack, just a fact.

 

[Intergalactic Kegger]

Yep. A growing majority of Americans believe in smaller government and less taxes. However, the democrats are winning on just about every single issue right now. But we know the democrats want bigger government, so it doesn't make sense. It probably means the big problem is the failure of the republicans to communicate their ideas to the people.

I think the problem is that the past few Republican administrations have increased the size and scope of government to a greater extent than the Democrats ever have.A lot of people who would prefer smaller government have traditionally voted Republican because, from Goldwater through Reagan and through Gingrich's Contract with America, the Republicans have preached smaller government (compared to the Democrats).

There are still a few Republicans around who preach smaller government, but they have become outcasts of the party to a significant extent. (Look at how Ron Paul was treated by the Republican leadership during the primaries -- branded a loon and excluded from many debates.)

To a very large extent, while the Democrats are still the party of Big Government, the Republicans have become the party of Bigger Government. This is not a communication problem. It is a reality problem.

I don't think the republicans are the party of bigger government. The problem is they haven't communicated the problems and limitations they've encountered in following that agenda in recent years.

 

[jonessed]

Spidey, the women are not going to be crying sexism. You are making that up. There might be a few that cry this but nobody will be taking them seriously.The women who voted for Hillary will end up voting for Obama by and large.

Especially after those women are reminded of the age of some of the Supreme Court justices, and McCain's pledge to appoint conservative judges.

I think that Obama should tap (teehee) into all those women by bringing up this and the Roe v. Wade consequences during the General. I'm think a whole lot of Hillary voters will be voting Obama when they consider that.

Oh, that's going to be a huge point in the general...Plus you are going to have groups like NOW, etc mobilzing the female voters...It's part of the reason why I think the whole "Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama" is overblown...Let's see what the polls look like a month after Obama gets the nomination

And you accuse Republicans of fear mongering

 

[ffldrew]

Well the wackos are at it againI have an uncle who lives in Georgia and he is obviously very concerned about the upcoming election. I receive these missives from him about twice a week. Earlier it was some slagging off on Michele Obama. In the past I got the usual Obama is a muslim. But today I think was the all time low - so far. It contained some article from disgraced Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell in a column for the "New York Sun" - Beyond Obama' Beauty. So it is one of those pass along to everyone emails because our nation is in peril - at the end someone added this -

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is: The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA?? I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it! If you think I am crazy,. I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the 'unknown' candidate.

Now Mr Blackwell didn't say this - I had to hunt it down on the internet to verify because I was thinking he was crazy but could he be that crazy. But certainly Obama has gotten the wacko right's attention and now he is the anti-christ - nothing like being afraid.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Well the wackos are at it againI have an uncle who lives in Georgia and he is obviously very concerned about the upcoming election. I receive these missives from him about twice a week. Earlier it was some slagging off on Michele Obama. In the past I got the usual Obama is a muslim. But today I think was the all time low - so far. It contained some article from disgraced Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell in a column for the "New York Sun" - Beyond Obama' Beauty. So it is one of those pass along to everyone emails because our nation is in peril - at the end someone added this -

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is: The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA?? I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it! If you think I am crazy,. I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the 'unknown' candidate.

Now Mr Blackwell didn't say this - I had to hunt it down on the internet to verify because I was thinking he was crazy but could he be that crazy. But certainly Obama has gotten the wacko right's attention and now he is the anti-christ - nothing like being afraid.

Glenn Beck actually asked one of these moron gloom and doomers if Obama was indeed the anti-Christ, you know, to make it clear to everyone that he really wasn't.Awful. Okay, I get it. Beck riles people up, but I don't think this is doing the world any favors. It reduces the dialog to white noise.

 

[skol asylum]

Obama / Webb 2008

 

[ffldrew]

Well the wackos are at it againI have an uncle who lives in Georgia and he is obviously very concerned about the upcoming election. I receive these missives from him about twice a week. Earlier it was some slagging off on Michele Obama. In the past I got the usual Obama is a muslim. But today I think was the all time low - so far. It contained some article from disgraced Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell in a column for the "New York Sun" - Beyond Obama' Beauty. So it is one of those pass along to everyone emails because our nation is in peril - at the end someone added this -

According to The Book of Revelations the anti-christ is: The anti-christ will be a man, in his 40s, of MUSLIM descent, who will deceive the nations with persuasive language, and have a MASSIVE Christ-like appeal....the prophecy says that people will flock to him and he will promise false hope and world peace, and when he is in power, will destroy everything. Is it OBAMA?? I STRONGLY URGE each one of you to repost this as many times as you can! Each opportunity that you have to send it to a friend or media outlet...do it! If you think I am crazy,. I'm sorry but I refuse to take a chance on the 'unknown' candidate.

Now Mr Blackwell didn't say this - I had to hunt it down on the internet to verify because I was thinking he was crazy but could he be that crazy. But certainly Obama has gotten the wacko right's attention and now he is the anti-christ - nothing like being afraid.

Glenn Beck actually asked one of these moron gloom and doomers if Obama was indeed the anti-Christ, you know, to make it clear to everyone that he really wasn't.Awful. Okay, I get it. Beck riles people up, but I don't think this is doing the world any favors. It reduces the dialog to white noise.

Well if he is the anti-Christ why aren't the Christian groups behind him 100%. It means the end times and the rapture you'd think they would be all for it. They really need to make up their mind.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Spidey, the women are not going to be crying sexism. You are making that up. There might be a few that cry this but nobody will be taking them seriously.The women who voted for Hillary will end up voting for Obama by and large.

Especially after those women are reminded of the age of some of the Supreme Court justices, and McCain's pledge to appoint conservative judges.

I think that Obama should tap (teehee) into all those women by bringing up this and the Roe v. Wade consequences during the General. I'm think a whole lot of Hillary voters will be voting Obama when they consider that.

Oh, that's going to be a huge point in the general...Plus you are going to have groups like NOW, etc mobilzing the female voters...It's part of the reason why I think the whole "Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama" is overblown...Let's see what the polls look like a month after Obama gets the nomination

And you accuse Republicans of fear mongering

Am I missing a joke, or do you not get what fear mongering is? Overturning Roe v. Wade is a clearly stated and well known goal of socially conservative Republicans. Pointing that out is hardly equivalent to propagating the idea that Democrats want to surrender in the War on Terror, and that America is in peril if Obama wins the presidency.

 

[Spiderman]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

Not if they believe your distortions.

New that would give you an out - my mistake.Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

Overwhelmingly (2 to 1), women want the troops home ASAP before winning. Makes sense considering the motherly instinct/emotional bond women have with their babies. The majority of men want the war won and then the troops to come home.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

Not if they believe your distortions.

New that would give you an out - my mistake.Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

Overwhelmingly (2 to 1), women want the troops home ASAP before winning. Makes sense considering the motherly instinct/emotional bond women have with their babies. The majority of men want the war won and then the troops to come home.

The War?The War with Iraq has long been over.

The War vs AQ? Try the Pakistan/Affy border.

The movement versus terrorism? Thats not a war. Terrorism is an action. Try AQ above.

The War vs Iran? Maybe you have something in Iraq in the War vs Iran, except we are not at war with Iran. So how in the eff are you going to proceed without have far worse effects on our own American peple and country. Look around.

You mean a majority of ®men want some sort of "victory" in the policing of Iraqi soil.

This is so their own actions dont become an even worse scenario then what got us over there in the first place. Currently its been a damaging blow to our country, far worse then anything Iraq ever had done.

 

[Orange Crush]

Yep. A growing majority of Americans believe in smaller government and less taxes. However, the democrats are winning on just about every single issue right now. But we know the democrats want bigger government, so it doesn't make sense. It probably means the big problem is the failure of the republicans to communicate their ideas to the people.

I think the problem is that the past few Republican administrations have increased the size and scope of government to a greater extent than the Democrats ever have.A lot of people who would prefer smaller government have traditionally voted Republican because, from Goldwater through Reagan and through Gingrich's Contract with America, the Republicans have preached smaller government (compared to the Democrats).

There are still a few Republicans around who preach smaller government, but they have become outcasts of the party to a significant extent. (Look at how Ron Paul was treated by the Republican leadership during the primaries -- branded a loon and excluded from many debates.)

To a very large extent, while the Democrats are still the party of Big Government, the Republicans have become the party of Bigger Government. This is not a communication problem. It is a reality problem.

I don't think the republicans are the party of bigger government. The problem is they haven't communicated the problems and limitations they've encountered in following that agenda in recent years.

OMG!!! Stop! It hurts to laugh that much!!!

LINK

 

[the moops]

People are idiots. Obama has huge problems in places like W Virginia.

Video

TRACY, CLINTON SUPPORTER: My opinion is I think the United States of America should be run by somebody from the United States of America.

PALEVSKY: But he's from the US. He's born here. He's been raised here.

TRACY: And he's Muslim.

PALEVSKY: But why do you think he's Muslim? He wasn't raised Muslim.

TRACY: But I don't agree with that.

JANET: You feel like there's a lie behind it.

TRACY: Yeah, I don't agree with that.

PALEVSKY: And you voted for—

ASHLEY: Hillary. And if she loses the nomination I’ll vote for the other guy.

PALEVSKY: You’ll vote for McCain?

ASHLEY: Yes. I don’t feel like—put the black man there—no prejudice or nothing but I just don’t have—I just think he should not be there.

SHARON: That's the problem. I don't know where he stands. You know, I don't feel comfortable, whereas I know Hillary knows what "The Pledge of Allegiance" is. Hillary knows, can probably sing "The Star Spangled Banner" better than anybody. So can John McCain. At least I know that they believe in this country. They believe in who we are and how when times are bad we pull together, 'cause we're Americans. But the whole Yankeee-do-it ethic, you know, I just don't sense that from him.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

That's just sad.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

That's just sad.

As annoying as he can be on this topic, LHUCKS isn't that far off. Sad.

 

[Spiderman]

Women, by a 2-1 margin, believe it is more important to bring the troops home than to win the war. Men are 51-41 in favor of winning first. Obama is in danger of losing a huge portion of female voters due to Hillary supporters cries of sexism.

The two bolded parts don't add up. It's safe to say Iraq is an important issue to voters, and a huge percentage of women voters want to bring the troops home. You think these gals are going to support John "100 year war" McCain?

Not if they believe your distortions.

New that would give you an out - my mistake.Answer this - is John McCain in favor of ending the war as quickly as possible, or maintaining a presence long term in Iraq? Which position does an overwhelming majority of women seem to support?

Overwhelmingly (2 to 1), women want the troops home ASAP before winning. Makes sense considering the motherly instinct/emotional bond women have with their babies. The majority of men want the war won and then the troops to come home.

The War?The War with Iraq has long been over.

The War vs AQ? Try the Pakistan/Affy border.

The movement versus terrorism? Thats not a war. Terrorism is an action. Try AQ above.

The War vs Iran? Maybe you have something in Iraq in the War vs Iran, except we are not at war with Iran. So how in the eff are you going to proceed without have far worse effects on our own American peple and country. Look around.

You mean a majority of ®men want some sort of "victory" in the policing of Iraqi soil.

This is so their own actions dont become an even worse scenario then what got us over there in the first place. Currently its been a damaging blow to our country, far worse then anything Iraq ever had done.

No, I mean that Pew Research polling shows that although the country may not like the Iraq War, the majority of the country does not agree with immeidate pullouts.