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[Leeroy Jenkins]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

There are way more than 20,000 people in that photo.

 

[aardball44]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

There are way more than 20,000 people in that photo.

I counted at least 64,500.

 

[SofaKings]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

There are way more than 20,000 people in that photo.

I counted at least 64,500.

Bull, it was 63,452.

 

[jaybebo]

can you guys give me some reasons why Obama is the better candidate than mccain.

Iraq and Healthcare are my 1 and 2.

Take a look at Great Britain, Canada, and other socialist states before you start wanting your healthcare to be controlled by your Federal government...they have already screwed up Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and Welfare...now you are really going to put your life in their hands.As for Iraq, I believe our presence is needed there...not an escalated presence, but enough to let Iran know we are watching. Honestly, do you want a rogue Muslim government having nuclear weapons...they are not listening to China, Russia or anyone else that can be effected by their stance and continued movement toward nuclear armament.

 

[commisholio]

can you guys give me some reasons why Obama is the better candidate than mccain.

McCain's an insane hawk who is totally untethered from reality. Have you heard his economic plan? It's an absolute fairy-tale. It'd be four more years just like the last 8.

 

[Voltaire]

can you guys give me some reasons why Obama is the better candidate than mccain.

Iraq and Healthcare are my 1 and 2.

Take a look at Great Britain, Canada, and other socialist states before you start wanting your healthcare to be controlled by your Federal government...they have already screwed up Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and Welfare...now you are really going to put your life in their hands.As for Iraq, I believe our presence is needed there...not an escalated presence, but enough to let Iran know we are watching. Honestly, do you want a rogue Muslim government having nuclear weapons...they are not listening to China, Russia or anyone else that can be effected by their stance and continued movement toward nuclear armament.

Please explain this in more detail. I'm solidily an Obama supporter right now, but I don't hate John McCain. Healthcare is probably my biggest issue. I have heard nothing but good things about European and Canadian healthcare from friends (I even travelled through Canada last summer and went into a clinic that was super well run even though I couldn't use it).If you can provide real data (not just linking to an article about someone who had to wait a really long time for X because it would be easy for me to link to a guy in America who wanted his tonsils out and left minus one testicle) you could definitely win at least one voter in a semi-swing state (Missouri).

 

[The Commish]

can you guys give me some reasons why Obama is the better candidate than mccain.

Iraq and Healthcare are my 1 and 2.

Take a look at Great Britain, Canada, and other socialist states before you start wanting your healthcare to be controlled by your Federal government...they have already screwed up Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and Welfare...now you are really going to put your life in their hands.As for Iraq, I believe our presence is needed there...not an escalated presence, but enough to let Iran know we are watching. Honestly, do you want a rogue Muslim government having nuclear weapons...they are not listening to China, Russia or anyone else that can be effected by their stance and continued movement toward nuclear armament.

That's Hillary's proposal, not Obama's. Obama is about driving down the inflated costs and still allowing it to be a choice for adults....I think he wants a mandate for children though

 

[cobalt_27]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

I grew up in Portland, too. I know that area very well (used to work at the Harborside Restaurant years ago). No question they could fit 50,000 in that area with another 15000 milling around the outside. Absolutely no problem imagining that.Plus, I would expect that the PDX fire department has a much better handle on these estimates than you or I do.

 

[Spiderman]

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/15/wi...from-the-train/

QUOTE

I now have it from two three sources close to senior Republicans that they have video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against whitey at Jeremiah Wrights church. Republicans may have a lousy record when it comes to the economy and the management of the war in Iraq, but they are hell on wheels when it comes to opposition research. Someone took the chance and started reviewing the recordings from services at Jeremiah Wrights United Church of Christ. Holy smoke!! I am told there is a clip that is being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time. The last thing Barack and Michelle need is a new clip that raises further questions about her judgment and temperament. Heres what the Republicans are currently using in Tennessee:

When the ugly video tapes about Jeremiah WrightS racist ravings first broke Barack Obama told us he could no more disown Jeremiah Wright than his own Grandmother. Well, we all know how that turned out. So will Barack stand by Michelle when the tape emerges of her verbally attacking whitey Republicans, who are otherwise gloomy about prospects in November, recognize that this recording will create real problems for Barack and give them a shot at the White House. It is their October surprise.

Does Barack have an obligation to tell the Democrats, super delegates in particular, about this tape? Did Barack and his campaign do their basic homework and identify this tape as a potential problem? And, more importantly, do they have a copy? Probably better to deal with this issue before the convention rather than wait for October. What do you think?

 

[adonis]

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/15/wi...from-the-train/

QUOTE

I now have it from two three sources close to senior Republicans that they have video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against whitey at Jeremiah Wrights church. Republicans may have a lousy record when it comes to the economy and the management of the war in Iraq, but they are hell on wheels when it comes to opposition research. Someone took the chance and started reviewing the recordings from services at Jeremiah Wrights United Church of Christ. Holy smoke!! I am told there is a clip that is being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time. The last thing Barack and Michelle need is a new clip that raises further questions about her judgment and temperament. Heres what the Republicans are currently using in Tennessee:

When the ugly video tapes about Jeremiah WrightS racist ravings first broke Barack Obama told us he could no more disown Jeremiah Wright than his own Grandmother. Well, we all know how that turned out. So will Barack stand by Michelle when the tape emerges of her verbally attacking whitey Republicans, who are otherwise gloomy about prospects in November, recognize that this recording will create real problems for Barack and give them a shot at the White House. It is their October surprise.

Does Barack have an obligation to tell the Democrats, super delegates in particular, about this tape? Did Barack and his campaign do their basic homework and identify this tape as a potential problem? And, more importantly, do they have a copy? Probably better to deal with this issue before the convention rather than wait for October. What do you think?

Do we really have any reason to believe this tape exists? Wouldn't it be perfect innuendo just to hold above their heads?

 

[Spiderman]

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/15/wi...from-the-train/

QUOTE

I now have it from two three sources close to senior Republicans that they have video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against whitey at Jeremiah Wrights church. Republicans may have a lousy record when it comes to the economy and the management of the war in Iraq, but they are hell on wheels when it comes to opposition research. Someone took the chance and started reviewing the recordings from services at Jeremiah Wrights United Church of Christ. Holy smoke!! I am told there is a clip that is being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time. The last thing Barack and Michelle need is a new clip that raises further questions about her judgment and temperament. Heres what the Republicans are currently using in Tennessee:

When the ugly video tapes about Jeremiah WrightS racist ravings first broke Barack Obama told us he could no more disown Jeremiah Wright than his own Grandmother. Well, we all know how that turned out. So will Barack stand by Michelle when the tape emerges of her verbally attacking whitey Republicans, who are otherwise gloomy about prospects in November, recognize that this recording will create real problems for Barack and give them a shot at the White House. It is their October surprise.

Does Barack have an obligation to tell the Democrats, super delegates in particular, about this tape? Did Barack and his campaign do their basic homework and identify this tape as a potential problem? And, more importantly, do they have a copy? Probably better to deal with this issue before the convention rather than wait for October. What do you think?

Do we really have any reason to believe this tape exists? Wouldn't it be perfect innuendo just to hold above their heads?

I wouldn't be shocked if the Republicans have more tape of at least Wright that they are holding back, but you could be right, and this could just be a bad rumor making the Internet rounds (wouldn't be the first time that this has happened).

 

[adonis]

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/15/wi...from-the-train/

QUOTE

I now have it from two three sources close to senior Republicans that they have video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against whitey at Jeremiah Wrights church. Republicans may have a lousy record when it comes to the economy and the management of the war in Iraq, but they are hell on wheels when it comes to opposition research. Someone took the chance and started reviewing the recordings from services at Jeremiah Wrights United Church of Christ. Holy smoke!! I am told there is a clip that is being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time. The last thing Barack and Michelle need is a new clip that raises further questions about her judgment and temperament. Heres what the Republicans are currently using in Tennessee:

When the ugly video tapes about Jeremiah WrightS racist ravings first broke Barack Obama told us he could no more disown Jeremiah Wright than his own Grandmother. Well, we all know how that turned out. So will Barack stand by Michelle when the tape emerges of her verbally attacking whitey Republicans, who are otherwise gloomy about prospects in November, recognize that this recording will create real problems for Barack and give them a shot at the White House. It is their October surprise.

Does Barack have an obligation to tell the Democrats, super delegates in particular, about this tape? Did Barack and his campaign do their basic homework and identify this tape as a potential problem? And, more importantly, do they have a copy? Probably better to deal with this issue before the convention rather than wait for October. What do you think?

Do we really have any reason to believe this tape exists? Wouldn't it be perfect innuendo just to hold above their heads?

I wouldn't be shocked if the Republicans have more tape of at least Wright that they are holding back, but you could be right, and this could just be a bad rumor making the Internet rounds (wouldn't be the first time that this has happened).

Similar things were said about Hillary's camp, that she had some serious evidence about Obama that she was holding until the end, that was going to drop.Sounds like people are just trying to scare undecideds. Lots of racial fear, etc. It'd suck majorly if it were true, but at this point, it sounds like innuendo meant to scare people and cause fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

 

[adonis]

Kansas Superdelegate for Obama; Delegate Countdown - 111 To Go

By Sam Graham-Felsen - May 19th, 2008 at 1:56 pm EDT

Topeka - Kansas Democratic Party Chair Larry Gates announced his endorsement for Sen. Barack Obama for president this afternoon, citing his proven ability to win in red states and his positive campaign for change.

Sen. Obama has been endorsed by 302.5 super delegates. He is 111 delegates away from securing the Democratic nomination.

Gates said:

Kansans can unite behind Sen. Obama and his positive campaign, and that is why I have chosen to endorse him,” Gates said. “He has proven his ability to bring Democrats, Republicans and Independents together, and holds the same commitment to working across party lines as Kansas Governor Kathleen Sebelius.

Senator Obama inspired record numbers of voters to turn out to the Kansas caucuses, which not only strengthens our Party but also the whole political process. He is the best candidate for Democrats to stand behind as we work to take on John McCain – who supports the war in Iraq and Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans – in November.

While I have decided to endorse Sen. Obama, I think it is important to note that Sen. Clinton is a strong leader who ran a passionate campaign. Her contribution to the national discussion has been invaluable and will continue to be important as we're working together to elect Sen. Obama to the White House.

Sen. Obama previously received a commitment from Gov. Sebelius, as well as Kansas Democratic Party National Committeeman Lee Kinch and National Committeewoman Randy Roy. Kansas Democratic Party Vice Chair Teresa Krusor announced a commitment to Sen. Clinton. Congressman Dennis Moore, Congresswoman Nancy Boyda and National Federation of Democratic Women President Helen Knetzer remain uncommitted.

 

[Spiderman]

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/05/15/wi...from-the-train/

QUOTE

I now have it from two three sources close to senior Republicans that they have video dynamite–Michelle Obama railing against whitey at Jeremiah Wrights church. Republicans may have a lousy record when it comes to the economy and the management of the war in Iraq, but they are hell on wheels when it comes to opposition research. Someone took the chance and started reviewing the recordings from services at Jeremiah Wrights United Church of Christ. Holy smoke!! I am told there is a clip that is being held for the fall to drop at the appropriate time. The last thing Barack and Michelle need is a new clip that raises further questions about her judgment and temperament. Heres what the Republicans are currently using in Tennessee:

When the ugly video tapes about Jeremiah WrightS racist ravings first broke Barack Obama told us he could no more disown Jeremiah Wright than his own Grandmother. Well, we all know how that turned out. So will Barack stand by Michelle when the tape emerges of her verbally attacking whitey Republicans, who are otherwise gloomy about prospects in November, recognize that this recording will create real problems for Barack and give them a shot at the White House. It is their October surprise.

Does Barack have an obligation to tell the Democrats, super delegates in particular, about this tape? Did Barack and his campaign do their basic homework and identify this tape as a potential problem? And, more importantly, do they have a copy? Probably better to deal with this issue before the convention rather than wait for October. What do you think?

Do we really have any reason to believe this tape exists? Wouldn't it be perfect innuendo just to hold above their heads?

I wouldn't be shocked if the Republicans have more tape of at least Wright that they are holding back, but you could be right, and this could just be a bad rumor making the Internet rounds (wouldn't be the first time that this has happened).

Similar things were said about Hillary's camp, that she had some serious evidence about Obama that she was holding until the end, that was going to drop.Sounds like people are just trying to scare undecideds. Lots of racial fear, etc. It'd suck majorly if it were true, but at this point, it sounds like innuendo meant to scare people and cause fear, uncertainty, and doubt.

I don't totally discount that there may be more dirt out there on Michelle Obama given her original comments, but you could end up being correct. You would have thought Hillary's camp would have dropped the bomb on something like that.

 

[cobalt_27]

Great timing on the endorsement. Right after a certain loss in WV...right around the peak news cycle in the late-afternoon/evening. Keep the momentum going. I keep asking over and over...what does Hillary really expect here? What do her supporters want out of her bleeding this slow, excruciating death? She's not going to get the presidency, the democratic nomination, and she certainly won't get the VP nod, anymore with the trashy campaign she's been running. I think she's positioned herself rather poorly for 2012, as well. What's the end game for her?

Damage Obama so he loses. Run in 2012.

Fantastic strategy. I hope he pummels her again in 2012, then.####### #####.

 

[jaybebo]

can you guys give me some reasons why Obama is the better candidate than mccain.

Iraq and Healthcare are my 1 and 2.

Take a look at Great Britain, Canada, and other socialist states before you start wanting your healthcare to be controlled by your Federal government...they have already screwed up Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and Welfare...now you are really going to put your life in their hands.As for Iraq, I believe our presence is needed there...not an escalated presence, but enough to let Iran know we are watching. Honestly, do you want a rogue Muslim government having nuclear weapons...they are not listening to China, Russia or anyone else that can be effected by their stance and continued movement toward nuclear armament.

Please explain this in more detail. I'm solidily an Obama supporter right now, but I don't hate John McCain. Healthcare is probably my biggest issue. I have heard nothing but good things about European and Canadian healthcare from friends (I even travelled through Canada last summer and went into a clinic that was super well run even though I couldn't use it).If you can provide real data (not just linking to an article about someone who had to wait a really long time for X because it would be easy for me to link to a guy in America who wanted his tonsils out and left minus one testicle) you could definitely win at least one voter in a semi-swing state (Missouri).

Here is a link to an article completed by Allyson Pollock She is Head of the Public Health Policy Unit at University College London and Director of Research & Development at UCL Hospitals NHS Trust. She is also Chair of the Society for Social Medicine.National Health Care System in Great Britain

 

[Voltaire]

can you guys give me some reasons why Obama is the better candidate than mccain.

Iraq and Healthcare are my 1 and 2.

Take a look at Great Britain, Canada, and other socialist states before you start wanting your healthcare to be controlled by your Federal government...they have already screwed up Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and Welfare...now you are really going to put your life in their hands.As for Iraq, I believe our presence is needed there...not an escalated presence, but enough to let Iran know we are watching. Honestly, do you want a rogue Muslim government having nuclear weapons...they are not listening to China, Russia or anyone else that can be effected by their stance and continued movement toward nuclear armament.

Please explain this in more detail. I'm solidily an Obama supporter right now, but I don't hate John McCain. Healthcare is probably my biggest issue. I have heard nothing but good things about European and Canadian healthcare from friends (I even travelled through Canada last summer and went into a clinic that was super well run even though I couldn't use it).If you can provide real data (not just linking to an article about someone who had to wait a really long time for X because it would be easy for me to link to a guy in America who wanted his tonsils out and left minus one testicle) you could definitely win at least one voter in a semi-swing state (Missouri).

Here is a link to an article completed by Allyson Pollock She is Head of the Public Health Policy Unit at University College London and Director of Research & Development at UCL Hospitals NHS Trust. She is also Chair of the Society for Social Medicine.National Health Care System in Great Britain

I may have really bad reading comprehension today (and if so please point out what the article is supposed to mean) but I got from the article was that universal healthcare worked well until the conservatives (Thatcher and Blair) got ahold of it.In the words of the author,"the government claims that the NHS is centralized, bureaucratic and inflexible - a claim which has little evidence other than popular myth to support it."

 

[tommyboy]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

I grew up in Portland, too. I know that area very well (used to work at the Harborside Restaurant years ago). No question they could fit 50,000 in that area with another 15000 milling around the outside. Absolutely no problem imagining that.Plus, I would expect that the PDX fire department has a much better handle on these estimates than you or I do.

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.I'm just sayin. I remember seeing buddy guy there in 2005 to a packed house and the paper said there were 15,000 people "packing the park". So I guess if Obama packs it in, its 65,000 but if Buddy Guy packs the same exact space its only 15,000.

 

[cobalt_27]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

I grew up in Portland, too. I know that area very well (used to work at the Harborside Restaurant years ago). No question they could fit 50,000 in that area with another 15000 milling around the outside. Absolutely no problem imagining that.Plus, I would expect that the PDX fire department has a much better handle on these estimates than you or I do.

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.I'm just sayin. I remember seeing buddy guy there in 2005 to a packed house and the paper said there were 15,000 people "packing the park". So I guess if Obama packs it in, its 65,000 but if Buddy Guy packs the same exact space its only 15,000.

Yeah, I'm gonna guess that Obama attracted more people to the Waterfront than Buddy Guy did. I'm guessing by a lot. Like 50k more.

 

[jaybebo]

can you guys give me some reasons why Obama is the better candidate than mccain.

Iraq and Healthcare are my 1 and 2.

Take a look at Great Britain, Canada, and other socialist states before you start wanting your healthcare to be controlled by your Federal government...they have already screwed up Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, and Welfare...now you are really going to put your life in their hands.As for Iraq, I believe our presence is needed there...not an escalated presence, but enough to let Iran know we are watching. Honestly, do you want a rogue Muslim government having nuclear weapons...they are not listening to China, Russia or anyone else that can be effected by their stance and continued movement toward nuclear armament.

Please explain this in more detail. I'm solidily an Obama supporter right now, but I don't hate John McCain. Healthcare is probably my biggest issue. I have heard nothing but good things about European and Canadian healthcare from friends (I even travelled through Canada last summer and went into a clinic that was super well run even though I couldn't use it).If you can provide real data (not just linking to an article about someone who had to wait a really long time for X because it would be easy for me to link to a guy in America who wanted his tonsils out and left minus one testicle) you could definitely win at least one voter in a semi-swing state (Missouri).

Here is a link to an article completed by Allyson Pollock She is Head of the Public Health Policy Unit at University College London and Director of Research & Development at UCL Hospitals NHS Trust. She is also Chair of the Society for Social Medicine.National Health Care System in Great Britain

I may have really bad reading comprehension today (and if so please point out what the article is supposed to mean) but I got from the article was that universal healthcare worked well until the conservatives (Thatcher and Blair) got ahold of it.In the words of the author,"the government claims that the NHS is centralized, bureaucratic and inflexible - a claim which has little evidence other than popular myth to support it."

The article also states the cost of healthcare increased which required the need for privatization of parts of the healthcare system, which in turn moved the tax paying citizens to pay more taxes and have more money come out of their pockets. It is inevitable for socialized medicine to eventually return to privatization in the end run. All we are looking at is higher taxes from the Federal government to substantiate a Universal healthcare system bound to eventually have money coming out of our pockets both ways...taxation and payment of services.

 

[tommyboy]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

I grew up in Portland, too. I know that area very well (used to work at the Harborside Restaurant years ago). No question they could fit 50,000 in that area with another 15000 milling around the outside. Absolutely no problem imagining that.Plus, I would expect that the PDX fire department has a much better handle on these estimates than you or I do.

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.I'm just sayin. I remember seeing buddy guy there in 2005 to a packed house and the paper said there were 15,000 people "packing the park". So I guess if Obama packs it in, its 65,000 but if Buddy Guy packs the same exact space its only 15,000.

Yeah, I'm gonna guess that Obama attracted more people to the Waterfront than Buddy Guy did. I'm guessing by a lot. Like 50k more.

were they midget people from mars or oompa loompas?

 

[cobalt_27]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

I grew up in Portland, too. I know that area very well (used to work at the Harborside Restaurant years ago). No question they could fit 50,000 in that area with another 15000 milling around the outside. Absolutely no problem imagining that.Plus, I would expect that the PDX fire department has a much better handle on these estimates than you or I do.

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.I'm just sayin. I remember seeing buddy guy there in 2005 to a packed house and the paper said there were 15,000 people "packing the park". So I guess if Obama packs it in, its 65,000 but if Buddy Guy packs the same exact space its only 15,000.

Yeah, I'm gonna guess that Obama attracted more people to the Waterfront than Buddy Guy did. I'm guessing by a lot. Like 50k more.

were they midget people from mars or oompa loompas?

You're seriously bent out of shape over this, aren't you. Just go ahead and say it: you don't think he's that popular. The media are just trying to make this a big rock star thing, yada yada yo.

Go ahead. I think that's what you're getting at, anyway.

The Portland fire dept made the estimate. Whether it's 65k or 55k or 45k...a lot of people jammed the Waterfront to hear him talk. I don't think McCain would fare as well.

 

[tommyboy]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

I grew up in Portland, too. I know that area very well (used to work at the Harborside Restaurant years ago). No question they could fit 50,000 in that area with another 15000 milling around the outside. Absolutely no problem imagining that.Plus, I would expect that the PDX fire department has a much better handle on these estimates than you or I do.

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.I'm just sayin. I remember seeing buddy guy there in 2005 to a packed house and the paper said there were 15,000 people "packing the park". So I guess if Obama packs it in, its 65,000 but if Buddy Guy packs the same exact space its only 15,000.

Yeah, I'm gonna guess that Obama attracted more people to the Waterfront than Buddy Guy did. I'm guessing by a lot. Like 50k more.

were they midget people from mars or oompa loompas?

You're seriously bent out of shape over this, aren't you. Just go ahead and say it: you don't think he's that popular. The media are just trying to make this a big rock star thing, yada yada yo.

Go ahead. I think that's what you're getting at, anyway.

The Portland fire dept made the estimate. Whether it's 65k or 55k or 45k...a lot of people jammed the Waterfront to hear him talk. I don't think McCain would fare as well.

you think there's 65000 people here?http://blog.americanfeast.com/images/Portl...%20Festival.jpg

I don't really care that he's popular, what bugs me is the media seems to be going overtime to do his campaigning for him.

I'd vote for the guy if he wasn't so naive.

I'm pretty sure McCain wouldn't fare as well in Portland either, considering 70% of Multnomah county voted for Kerry in 04. Portland is pretty liberal.

Either way, I don't give a rat who gets elected president, this election is truly the worst of the worst. They all are horrible candidates.

 

[cobalt_27]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

I grew up in Portland, too. I know that area very well (used to work at the Harborside Restaurant years ago). No question they could fit 50,000 in that area with another 15000 milling around the outside. Absolutely no problem imagining that.Plus, I would expect that the PDX fire department has a much better handle on these estimates than you or I do.

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.I'm just sayin. I remember seeing buddy guy there in 2005 to a packed house and the paper said there were 15,000 people "packing the park". So I guess if Obama packs it in, its 65,000 but if Buddy Guy packs the same exact space its only 15,000.

Yeah, I'm gonna guess that Obama attracted more people to the Waterfront than Buddy Guy did. I'm guessing by a lot. Like 50k more.

were they midget people from mars or oompa loompas?

You're seriously bent out of shape over this, aren't you. Just go ahead and say it: you don't think he's that popular. The media are just trying to make this a big rock star thing, yada yada yo.

Go ahead. I think that's what you're getting at, anyway.

The Portland fire dept made the estimate. Whether it's 65k or 55k or 45k...a lot of people jammed the Waterfront to hear him talk. I don't think McCain would fare as well.

you think there's 65000 people here?http://blog.americanfeast.com/images/Portl...%20Festival.jpg

I don't really care that he's popular, what bugs me is the media seems to be going overtime to do his campaigning for him.

I'd vote for the guy if he wasn't so naive.

I'm pretty sure McCain wouldn't fare as well in Portland either, considering 70% of Multnomah county voted for Kerry in 04. Portland is pretty liberal.

Either way, I don't give a rat who gets elected president, this election is truly the worst of the worst. They all are horrible candidates.

I doubt there are more than 20k in that picture. Lots of maneuvering space, vendors, and folks don't seem to be packing the west side of the lawn towards...what is it? Main St. up there?I don't know what the media are doing to help him out. Seriously. They seemed to be tripping all over themselves to kill him on the whole Wright nonsense. I'm not sure what is favorable about the media reporting that a very large crowd (est. at 65k, not by some democratic honk, but by the fire dept) came to see Obama in Portland. It is what it is.

 

[CBusAlex]

Sen. Obama has been endorsed by 302.5 super delegates.

302 and a half? What, is Kerry voting for both of them?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

White people won't vote for Obama?

Obama won 9 of the 15 whitest states in America.

 

[cobalt_27]

White people won't vote for Obama?

Obama won 9 of the 15 whitest states in America.

It's the dumbest piece of nonsense the Hillary and McCain people have tried to fabricate.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

White people won't vote for Obama?

Obama won 9 of the 15 whitest states in America.

I'm disappointed that my state (South Dakota) couldn't crack the Top Ten Whitest States. I was really hoping that a couple of the coffee bars that had opened in my town recently would have put us over the top, but I guess it was too little too late. There's always 2012 though. Watch out, Idaho.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

pic from Portland rally.

wow.

cracks me up that the newswires are saying 65,000 people there. BS. I go to that park every year for the Portland Waterfront Blues Festival, capacity jammed full is maybe 20,000 people. You coudn't fit 65000 people in that park and on the Hawthorne Bridge which is where that photo was taken from.

Is this really what it's come to? Jesus man.

 

[Hammered Finz]

White people won't vote for Obama?

Obama won 9 of the 15 whitest states in America.

Interesting.. so I guess we can stop with the "racist" accusations against small town white America.. however, the blacks continue to vote for skin color..

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.

a) Have you ever been to a football stadium?b) 100 yards X 300 yards = 30,000 square yards, aka 270,000 square feet. that's about one person per 2 x 2 foot area.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

White people won't vote for Obama?

Obama won 9 of the 15 whitest states in America.

Interesting.. so I guess we can stop with the "racist" accusations against small town white America.. however, the blacks continue to vote for skin color..

What % of Clinton's white rural voters do you think have ever voted for a black candidate?What % of Obama's black voters do you think have ever voted for a white candidate?

Only a fool would claim that racism has nothing to do with Clinton's white support in appalachia.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Biden doing what he does best

 

[SofaKings]

Biden doing what he does best

plagiarizing?

 

[cstu]

White people won't vote for Obama?

Obama won 9 of the 15 whitest states in America.

Interesting.. so I guess we can stop with the "racist" accusations against small town white America.. however, the blacks continue to vote for skin color..

What % of Clinton's white rural voters do you think have ever voted for a black candidate?What % of Obama's black voters do you think have ever voted for a white candidate?

Only a fool would claim that racism has nothing to do with Clinton's white support in appalachia.

They've had so many to choose from before...I'm not a Hillary supporter in the least, but it ticks me off that people who like Hillary are labeled as racist for voting for her. Her and Obama are that far off on the basic issues, so why is it automatically assumed that if a white person votes for Hillary it's because they are racist?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Biden doing what he does best

plagiarizing?

Biden, not bueno.

 

[Trey]

White people won't vote for Obama?

Obama won 9 of the 15 whitest states in America.

To look at this a little more closely I suggest finding a piece about the "Race Chasm" I believe it was called. Pretty much, if a state has a black population between 6% and 15%, Obama has severely struggled in getting the white vote. The hypothesis is that the "black fear card" is more useful when people have had interactions (and possibly negative or "nuisance" in their minds) with African Americans. Obama does fine in states below the threshold, where blacks have never been a problem and above the threshold, where blacks are looked at with regularity.Very interesting article. I'll try to find it tomorrow.

 

[cobalt_27]

White people won't vote for Obama?

Obama won 9 of the 15 whitest states in America.

Interesting.. so I guess we can stop with the "racist" accusations against small town white America.. however, the blacks continue to vote for skin color..

What % of Clinton's white rural voters do you think have ever voted for a black candidate?What % of Obama's black voters do you think have ever voted for a white candidate?

Only a fool would claim that racism has nothing to do with Clinton's white support in appalachia.

They've had so many to choose from before...I'm not a Hillary supporter in the least, but it ticks me off that people who like Hillary are labeled as racist for voting for her. Her and Obama are that far off on the basic issues, so why is it automatically assumed that if a white person votes for Hillary it's because they are racist?

I'm curious about this. Certainly agree with your point, but what about the following scenario:Voted for Dukakis, Clinton x2, Kerry, and now Hillary. Long-time (D) supporter.

In the General Election, however, this person decides he is going to vote for McCain because he is concerned, somehow, about where Obama stands on the issues of health care and taxes, as well as waging concerns about Obama's experience and comments about small towns.

Would you do a double-take on this?

 

[adonis]

Do you think today will mark a shifting point in the primary, once Obama gets a majority of pledged delegates? Anyone care to make any predictions?

 

[CBusAlex]

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.

Hint: You don't get a straight line of pizza. It comes in a circle.

 

[linksys]

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.

At least your math provides you with a good argument for why the public school system is bad.

 

[cobalt_27]

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.

At least your math provides you with a good argument for why the public school system is bad.

Funny. I didn't even bother to check his math.I imagine you could fit 50k people into a 270,000 sq. ft. bowl, which is approx. what we saw in Portland this weekend.

So, now Tommy deliberately misrepresents Obama's quotes and conveniently does a little fuzzy math to argue his own cause (with a pretty stupid argument here, to boot).

I'm ashamed of my Oregon brother.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.

At least your math provides you with a good argument for why the public school system is bad.

Funny. I didn't even bother to check his math.I imagine you could fit 50k people into a 270,000 sq. ft. bowl, which is approx. what we saw in Portland this weekend.

So, now Tommy deliberately misrepresents Obama's quotes and conveniently does a little fuzzy math to argue his own cause (with a pretty stupid argument here, to boot).

I'm ashamed of my Oregon brother.

Well, to be fair, I'm sure he's just repeating something from littlegreenfootballs or powerlineblog.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Do you think today will mark a shifting point in the primary, once Obama gets a majority of pledged delegates?

I don't see why it would. This race has been effectively over for a while now. Hillary will limp along untl June 3, and then drop out on June 4.

 

[cobalt_27]

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.

At least your math provides you with a good argument for why the public school system is bad.

Funny. I didn't even bother to check his math.I imagine you could fit 50k people into a 270,000 sq. ft. bowl, which is approx. what we saw in Portland this weekend.

So, now Tommy deliberately misrepresents Obama's quotes and conveniently does a little fuzzy math to argue his own cause (with a pretty stupid argument here, to boot).

I'm ashamed of my Oregon brother.

Well, to be fair, I'm sure he's just repeating something from littlegreenfootballs or powerlineblog.

Or something he heard in the order line at Arby's?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

then you know that from the front of the stage to the end of the park is maybe 300 yards. That photo makes it look like its 1/2 mile. And the width of the park is 100 yards at most. SO if you can fit 65,000 people in a space of 90,000 sq feet they're either oompa loompas or midget people from mars.

At least your math provides you with a good argument for why the public school system is bad.

Funny. I didn't even bother to check his math.I imagine you could fit 50k people into a 270,000 sq. ft. bowl, which is approx. what we saw in Portland this weekend.

So, now Tommy deliberately misrepresents Obama's quotes and conveniently does a little fuzzy math to argue his own cause (with a pretty stupid argument here, to boot).

I'm ashamed of my Oregon brother.

Well, to be fair, I'm sure he's just repeating something from littlegreenfootballs or powerlineblog.

Or something he heard in the order line at Arby's?

That might be an upgrade.I'm not a fan of blogs in general.

 

[shining path]

Do you think today will mark a shifting point in the primary, once Obama gets a majority of pledged delegates? Anyone care to make any predictions?

I think the shifting point has already come and gone. It's generally assumed that Obama will be the nominee, and all parties (including the Clinton campaign if you read between the lines) are acting as such.The real shifting point came the night of the Indiana and NC primaries.

 

[Trey]

Do you think today will mark a shifting point in the primary, once Obama gets a majority of pledged delegates? Anyone care to make any predictions?

I think the shifting point has already come and gone. It's generally assumed that Obama will be the nominee, and all parties (including the Clinton campaign if you read between the lines) are acting as such.The real shifting point came the night of the Indiana and NC primaries.

Clinton is going through the motions at this point. And actually, probably to the benefit of Obama in November since she is playing nice right now. You make these last 7 or so contests feel like they are important. Continue to pump up Democratic registration numbers and general interest.As long as Clinton and Obama play nice, the next few weeks are nothing but good news for Dems.

 

[adonis]

At this point, there is 0% chance Obama takes public financing.

Wonder how McCain is getting on raising money. Last I heard, not so good. He may need public financing even if Obama doesn't do it.

 

[Jeremy]

Do you think today will mark a shifting point in the primary, once Obama gets a majority of pledged delegates? Anyone care to make any predictions?

I think the shifting point has already come and gone. It's generally assumed that Obama will be the nominee, and all parties (including the Clinton campaign if you read between the lines) are acting as such.The real shifting point came the night of the Indiana and NC primaries.

Clinton is going through the motions at this point. And actually, probably to the benefit of Obama in November since she is playing nice right now. You make these last 7 or so contests feel like they are important. Continue to pump up Democratic registration numbers and general interest.

As long as Clinton and Obama play nice, the next few weeks are nothing but good news for Dems.

I'm not so sure. She's going around places telling everyone she's leading in popular votes-counting MI and FL as-is and ignoring the 4 caucus states where vote numbers weren't released. I think on some level she still believes she can win this thing. I think deceiving people on her supposed lead in popular votes does nothing but stir the anger of her supporters who feel the nomination was "stolen" from her. I'm ok with her staying in the race and making her electibility arguements (she may even be more electable than Obama), but stop with the "I have more votes than him" nonsense.

Otherwise, I'd agree that playing it out to the end helps Obama. He's going to be able to say that he ran against a Clinton in times of economic troubles, took her best shots, and came out the winner. In that sense, I think it does make him a stronger candidate.