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[Orange Crush]

If he wins Indiana (apparently he is now way up in that state) and Montana, Obama will pull in 375+ electoral votes. Silly question, but how well are the 18-24 crowd represented in these poll numbers?

Too early to tell how well they're being polled. Many only have cell phones and have never voted before, which is a tough segment for pollsters to target. This election will likely change models for the pollsters based on the young people turnout.

Plus in some likely voter models the 18-24 voters aren't considered that very much because of not having a past voting record.

Well, historical data shows they shouldn't be counted much since they don't vote.There may be a generational change happening this year where the Millennials are just a lot mroe interested in politics than us GenX'ers were. But then again, maybe not.

 

[Autumn Wind]

Why Barack Obama is Winning

Joe Klein's Time article.

I read something like this and it makes me even more scared that McCain/Dolt could actually win.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

heard a remark on one of the news networks (forget which one) that early voter turnout , while strong for most groups, has been low for the 18-24 age group

sorry, i cant provide a link, or any actual proof, but this does raise the question of; Will young voters let down the democratic party by not showing up at the polls? Based on how i was at 18-24 and the current 18-24 yr olds i know, i would say yes, they will disappoint

 

[adonis]

heard a remark on one of the news networks (forget which one) that early voter turnout , while strong for most groups, has been low for the 18-24 age group sorry, i cant provide a link, or any actual proof, but this does raise the question of; Will young voters let down the democratic party by not showing up at the polls? Based on how i was at 18-24 and the current 18-24 yr olds i know, i would say yes, they will disappoint

It's probably area-dependent. I'm guessing it'll make the biggest difference in cities with colleges, or otherwise larger student populations.

 

[Orange Crush]

I'm surprised Statorama hasn't bothered to publish this LINK.

It's a comprehensive list of all the super secret skeleton's in Obama's closet that the conservative bloggers have discovered anyway, and almost proven!

No matter what happens in this year’s election, the conservative blogosphere deserves to win a collective Pulitzer Prize for its election-year coverage. While the mainstream media has given Americans a very distorted picture of Barack Obama, portraying him as a thoughtful, intelligent, unflappable, decent family man who has the temperament and judgment to be President, the conservative blogosphere has been the only place where you can get the real story. Hampered by quaint, old-fashioned rules of journalism that require citing evidence and reputable sources, the mainstream media has failed to report a number of important stories about Obama and the conservative blogosphere has had to step up and do the media’s job for them. As a public service I have collected some of the most important of these stories in one place. Pulitzer Prize judges, take note!

Some of the stories below are shocking and even hard to believe, but they weren’t published on crazy, fringe websites. They appeared on some of the most distinguished and well-respected sites on the Internet. The bloggers and online journalists who published them have staked their reputations and their sacred honor on the veracity of these reports. To doubt the truth of their findings, you would have to believe that an entire segment of the blogosphere has suddenly been gripped by hysteria and gone collectively insane, which is a pretty unlikely scenario.

During Obama’s dark, mysterious years at Columbia, he was involved in domestic terrorist bombings

Although some mainstream media sources have alluded to Obama’s mysterious years at Columbia, only one intrepid reporter, Tom Maguire of Just One Minute has made the cognitive leap required to connect all of the dots. Noting that Obama admitted in his book Dreams of My Father that he was “interested in South Africa divestment,” Maguire does some digging and discovers that some protests against the 1981 tour by the South African Springboks rugby team resulted in violence and even some bombings. Guess who “was involved in some fashion” in these bombings? The Weather Underground! “These are just dots and it may be impossible to connect them,” says Maguire, modestly, “but we have Barack Obama at Columbia working on South African divestment (as were many peaceful protestors) while other radical elements with a Weather Underground flavor are setting bombs, killing cops, and working on South African divestment. As a bonus, Bill Ayers is studying at Bank Street College a quarter mile from Columbia.” Wow! How can the mainstream media possibly ignore the fact that Obama must have been “involved in some fashion” in domestic terrorism because he was “interested in South African divestment.” “Tom Maguire steps pretty far out on a limb with this bit of speculation,” says CPAC Blogger of the Year Ace of Spades, who links to the story. “But it would explain why Barack Obama's ‘lost years’ at Columbia have remained so very very secret.” It makes me wonder how my friend Tom Watson, who was at Columbia at the same time as Obama and was also “interested in South African divestment,” was connected to the Weather Underground, not to mention hundreds of other former Columbia students who today freely walk the streets despite their terrorist connections. I wonder if Tom has mentioned his radical connections in his upcoming book CauseWired: Plugging In, Getting Involved, Changing the World, or if like Obama, he mysteriously left it out.

Obama didn’t actually write Dreams of My Father. In fact, it was ghost-written by none other than Bill Ayers!

Jack Cashill at the aptly named American Thinker found it difficult to believe that Barack Obama, who is not one of the most articulate politicians around, could possibly have written a whole book all by himself. He must have had help. Probably from someone evil. So on a hunch Cashill decided to compare Obama’s book with a book written by Bill Ayers and lo and behold, he discovered some shocking similarities, including the use of nautical imagery and the fact that a very scientific test to determine the grade level of the prose was a match. This wasn’t the first story Cashill broke. Cashill also proved that Arab terrorists and not Eric Rudolph were responsible for the 1996 Olympics bombing in Atlanta and that the Clintons covered up the real cause of the death of Ron Brown and the downing of TWA Flight 800. Unfortunately, Cashill’s overwhelming evidence wasn’t enough to convince the mainstream media to report on his theories, but Ann Althouse, who is a tenured professor at the 36th most prestigious law school in the country according to U.S. News & World Report, took them very seriously. “Mere confirmation bias? Or is Cashill onto something?” wrote the respected professor ominously after presenting her exhaustive analysis. Former U.S. prosecutor Andrew C. McCarthy, who now writes for the National Review’s The Corner, wrote that while he didn’t “want to feed into what sounds, at first blush, like Vince Fosteresque paranoia,” after reading Cashill’s analysis he found it “thorough, thoughtful, and alarming.” Scott Johnson at Powerline called Cashill's work "interesting" and said that while "Cashill could also make the case that John Hinderaker and I qualify for recognition as Obama's secret collaborator" they didn't live in Obama's neighborhood, as Ayers did, which is in itself pretty damning. “Nautical metaphors may sink Obama,” Ace of Spades wrote hopefully. Flopping Aces saw Ayers’ ghost-writing of Obama’s book as just one part of a vast conspiracy to get a socialist elected President. “Eventually, if successful, their dreams of a Communist nation can be realized,” wrote Flopping Aces. “Sounds crazy….I know.” By the way, before Cashill hit on his theory, I noted some eerie similarities between Dreams of My Father and the Horatio Hornblower novels of C.S. Forester, which also contain nautical references and are written on a high school level, but I gave up my investigation when I realized that Forrester died in 1966 and probably could not have written Obama’s book. Why didn't I think of comparing Obama’s book to Ayers’ book instead? I guess that's why I'm not one of the A-list bloggers.

. . . .

There's a LOT more. They go on to detail the conspiracies concerning:Michelle Obama attacks “American white racists” in an interview with obscure online news site

Obama had a girlfriend that his wife found out about and forced her to move to the Caribbean.

There is a tape of Michelle Obama with Louis Farrakhan talking about “whitey”

Obama was not born in the United States and his birth certificate has been forged.

Barack Obama had an underage, gay “affair” with a pedophile.

Obama had cocaine-fueled gay sex in the back of a limousine with a not-very-attractive disabled man with a criminal background

Obama was getting answers in the first debate through a clear plastic hearing aid in his ear

and, saving the absolute best for last :

Ace of Spades’ Super-Secret Unified Field Story That Connects All the Dots

For weeks Ace of Spades has been working on a super-secret story about Obama, which "called Obama a straight-up liar on his supposed 'flimsy' relationship with The Terrorist William Ayers" and finally connected all the dots, linking Obama and Bill Ayers, Acorn, Tony Reszko, Charles Manson, the Chicago mob, the Illuminati, Freemasons, the Trilateral Commission, Jewish bankers, Nazis living in South America, Fidel Castro, the KGB, the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, Bigfoot, Area 51, the Harlem Globetrotters, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, the Bermuda Triangle, Mrs. Calabash and Mr. Gorsky. Apparently, Ben Smith at Politico, had the story, too, according to Ace and Hill Buzz, and he was just sitting on it (though Smith denied it). Then just as Ace was on the verge of breaking the story, he made this heart-breaking announcement: “The source was considering dropping his demand for anonymity. Thus likely moving the story forward. (He wasn't considering going forward with the Politico, by the way: but with the other, more important organization.) And now, today? After witnessing Politico, among others, savage Joe Wurtzelbacher? Cold feet.” Curse you, mainstream media and your accursed fact-checking! Will your cover-up of the truth about Barack Obama never end!

I'd quote the entire thing, but there's way too many links to manually add. But it deserves reading (for shear entertainment value alone - it's good to see that the left doesn't have a monopoly on bat-#### crazy conspiracists).

 

[Statorama]

Since I've basically become the only conservative voice on the board, I've gotten a lot of email about Obama.

Republican and Conservative Guys, one thing you need to give up on is this whole "Obama Birth Certificate" thing. It has no legs. Obama is a citizen.

Figured I'd just break it to a bunch of people at once instead of separate emails.

 

[adonis]

Since I've basically become the only conservative voice on the board, I've gotten a lot of email about Obama.Republican and Conservative Guys, one thing you need to give up on is this whole "Obama Birth Certificate" thing. It has no legs. Obama is a citizen.Figured I'd just break it to a bunch of people at once instead of separate emails.

I think you posted this in the wrong thread. Send a PM to Tommyboy and maybe Jim11 if you want to be more effective.

 

[Statorama]

Since I've basically become the only conservative voice on the board, I've gotten a lot of email about Obama.Republican and Conservative Guys, one thing you need to give up on is this whole "Obama Birth Certificate" thing. It has no legs. Obama is a citizen.Figured I'd just break it to a bunch of people at once instead of separate emails.

I think you posted this in the wrong thread. Send a PM to Tommyboy and maybe Jim11 if you want to be more effective.

You wouldn't believe the stuff I get. It just seemed like that rumor was pouring in a lot lately.

 

[adonis]

Since I've basically become the only conservative voice on the board, I've gotten a lot of email about Obama.

Republican and Conservative Guys, one thing you need to give up on is this whole "Obama Birth Certificate" thing. It has no legs. Obama is a citizen.

Figured I'd just break it to a bunch of people at once instead of separate emails.

I think you posted this in the wrong thread. Send a PM to Tommyboy and maybe Jim11 if you want to be more effective.

You wouldn't believe the stuff I get.

It just seemed like that rumor was pouring in a lot lately.

Oh believe me, I would believe it. I get it too.

 

[krista4]

Obama had cocaine-fueled gay sex in the back of a limousine with a not-very-attractive disabled man with a criminal background

"not-very-attractive"

 

[Gr00vus]

heard a remark on one of the news networks (forget which one) that early voter turnout , while strong for most groups, has been low for the 18-24 age group

sorry, i cant provide a link, or any actual proof, but this does raise the question of; Will young voters let down the democratic party by not showing up at the polls? Based on how i was at 18-24 and the current 18-24 yr olds i know, i would say yes, they will disappoint

I agree.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Obama had cocaine-fueled gay sex in the back of a limousine with a not-very-attractive disabled man with a criminal background

"not-very-attractive"

That's the deal breaker... if it had been with a Brad Pitt stand in I'm sure everyone would understand.

 

[flufhed]

heard a remark on one of the news networks (forget which one) that early voter turnout , while strong for most groups, has been low for the 18-24 age group

sorry, i cant provide a link, or any actual proof, but this does raise the question of; Will young voters let down the democratic party by not showing up at the polls? Based on how i was at 18-24 and the current 18-24 yr olds i know, i would say yes, they will disappoint

I agree.

When they say turnout has been low for this group, that tells me nothing.Turnout is always very very low for this group. but if normally something like 15% turnout, and this year 20% are turning out, that would still be "low turnout" but hugely positive for Obama.

Anyone know if the turnout is low like normal, or low, but high for this group?

 

[Statorama]

heard a remark on one of the news networks (forget which one) that early voter turnout , while strong for most groups, has been low for the 18-24 age group

sorry, i cant provide a link, or any actual proof, but this does raise the question of; Will young voters let down the democratic party by not showing up at the polls? Based on how i was at 18-24 and the current 18-24 yr olds i know, i would say yes, they will disappoint

I agree.

When they say turnout has been low for this group, that tells me nothing.Turnout is always very very low for this group. but if normally something like 15% turnout, and this year 20% are turning out, that would still be "low turnout" but hugely positive for Obama.

Anyone know if the turnout is low like normal, or low, but high for this group?

I think there is going to be a surprising number of young voters on both sides during this election. I'd say young voters (18-24) made up about 1 out of every 5 people at the last two McCain/Palin rallies I went to in Wisconsin. If they're going to wait in line a couple of hours to hear them speak, I can only imagine they'd wait in line to vote for them.

 

[fluorescent walkway]

heard a remark on one of the news networks (forget which one) that early voter turnout , while strong for most groups, has been low for the 18-24 age group

sorry, i cant provide a link, or any actual proof, but this does raise the question of; Will young voters let down the democratic party by not showing up at the polls? Based on how i was at 18-24 and the current 18-24 yr olds i know, i would say yes, they will disappoint

I agree.

When they say turnout has been low for this group, that tells me nothing.Turnout is always very very low for this group. but if normally something like 15% turnout, and this year 20% are turning out, that would still be "low turnout" but hugely positive for Obama.

Anyone know if the turnout is low like normal, or low, but high for this group?

Exactly. Low turnout for this demographic is already built into most polls. Just need to slightly exceed past performance.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Woman admits making up attack linked to McCain sticker, police say

 

[jdoggydogg]

I have to say that this electronic voting is frightening. The Republican that worked on some of these machines says that it's a mistake to use them at all. He said that technology doesn't make voting better - it makes it faster.

Long lines, glitches mar early voting

With the issues that marred the 2000 election singed into the electorate's collective memory, the reports of problems are troubling signs for many who are skeptical of whether their votes will count.

Forty-two percent of those surveyed in a recent CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll said they were not confident that their votes could be "accurately cast and counted." That number is up 15 percentage points from a similar poll conducted four years ago.

The poll was conducted October 17 through October 19 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

 

[Gr00vus]

From the same article:

Voting machine troubles in West Virginia

In West Virginia's Jackson County, there were some reports that voting machines were accidentally recording the wrong vote.

"I went in there and pushed the Democrat ticket, and it jumped to the Republican ticket for president of the United States," said Calvin Thomas, an 81-year-old West Virginian.

Thomas has voted in West Virginia in every election since Harry Truman defeated Thomas Dewey in 1948.

The same thing happened to his daughter, Micki Clendenin, when she cast her ballot. In both cases, poll workers at the site had them touch the screen a few more times, and the voting machine changed their ballot to their candidate choice.

"The lady came in, and she was -- very nicely, she just said, 'it's just been doing that.' She said, 'just hit it again.' So we hit it again, and this time it did go to Obama," Clendenin said.

CNN's Brian Todd reported that at least five voters in two West Virginia counties said they encountered the same problem. State and local officials said that they were isolated cases and that poll workers fixed the problems so the correct vote was cast.

The machines were manufactured by an Omaha, Nebraska-based company, Election System and Software. The machines will be used in several states this year and were among those that had problems in Ohio in 2004.

These machines should be outlawed.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

heard a remark on one of the news networks (forget which one) that early voter turnout , while strong for most groups, has been low for the 18-24 age group

sorry, i cant provide a link, or any actual proof, but this does raise the question of; Will young voters let down the democratic party by not showing up at the polls? Based on how i was at 18-24 and the current 18-24 yr olds i know, i would say yes, they will disappoint

I agree.

When they say turnout has been low for this group, that tells me nothing.Turnout is always very very low for this group. but if normally something like 15% turnout, and this year 20% are turning out, that would still be "low turnout" but hugely positive for Obama.

Anyone know if the turnout is low like normal, or low, but high for this group?

I think there is going to be a surprising number of young voters on both sides during this election. I'd say young voters (18-24) made up about 1 out of every 5 people at the last two McCain/Palin rallies I went to in Wisconsin. If they're going to wait in line a couple of hours to hear them speak, I can only imagine they'd wait in line to vote for them.

That's true, they didnt say it was low compared to previous years. Just that it was low. I guess i just remember how i was at that age. If it didnt happen at happy hour or a house party, i probably didnt know about it..As for the impact being central to areas with colleges, dont most cities of any substantial size have a relatively large college or U?

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

From the same article:

Voting machine troubles in West Virginia

In West Virginia's Jackson County, there were some reports that voting machines were accidentally recording the wrong vote.

"I went in there and pushed the Democrat ticket, and it jumped to the Republican ticket for president of the United States," said Calvin Thomas, an 81-year-old West Virginian.

Thomas has voted in West Virginia in every election since Harry Truman defeated Thomas Dewey in 1948.

The same thing happened to his daughter, Micki Clendenin, when she cast her ballot. In both cases, poll workers at the site had them touch the screen a few more times, and the voting machine changed their ballot to their candidate choice.

"The lady came in, and she was -- very nicely, she just said, 'it's just been doing that.' She said, 'just hit it again.' So we hit it again, and this time it did go to Obama," Clendenin said.

CNN's Brian Todd reported that at least five voters in two West Virginia counties said they encountered the same problem. State and local officials said that they were isolated cases and that poll workers fixed the problems so the correct vote was cast.

The machines were manufactured by an Omaha, Nebraska-based company, Election System and Software. The machines will be used in several states this year and were among those that had problems in Ohio in 2004.

These machines should be outlawed.

[machine]The machine isnt the problem, its the people using them. People think they're pushing the "Obama" button, when in reality they're actually slightly over the "McCain" button. Basically, whichever button is on top will have votes "switched" to it due to people being old, incompetent, or both.

Thats not to say we should use the machines, but lets place the blame where belongs.

[/machine]

 

[commisholio]

Check this out: Reagan-era Solicitor General Charles Fried, who was affiliated with the McCain campaign earlier this year has bailed out and endorsed Obama. Rats, sinking ship, etc.

 

[Gr00vus]

RCP's aggregate poll shows a +7.8 lead for Obama now. Has anyone come back from 7.8 down with 11 days to go in a Presidential election?

 

[fluorescent walkway]

hillaryclintonforums.net is just a mesmerizing website.

 

[D_House]

hillaryclintonforums.net is just a mesmerizing website.

Are those actual Hillary supporters, or Limbaugh Hillary supporters?

 

[Statorama]

Obama foreign policy advisor Lawrence Korb praises Iran

 

[krista4]

Just voted! The boyfriend and I were two of less than ten voters at the polling place. I guess Chicagoans are voting neither early nor often.

 

[flufhed]

hillaryclintonforums.net is just a mesmerizing website.

I wonder which one is Gopher State?

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Obama had cocaine-fueled gay sex in the back of a limousine with a not-very-attractive disabled man with a criminal background

"not-very-attractive"

Your opinion differs, I suppose?

 

[krista4]

Obama had cocaine-fueled gay sex in the back of a limousine with a not-very-attractive disabled man with a criminal background

"not-very-attractive"

Your opinion differs, I suppose?

Is it so wrong than I have a thing for limo-ridin' disabled men with criminal backgrounds?

 

[fluorescent walkway]

hillaryclintonforums.net is just a mesmerizing website.

Are those actual Hillary supporters, or Limbaugh Hillary supporters?

I'm not sure. It's more of an anti-Obama site than a pro-Hillary site, despite the name. Lots of McCain/Palin bling in the avatars and signatures. And the policy critiques of Obama are almost universally from a conservative standpoint.

 

[cosjobs]

hillaryclintonforums.net is just a mesmerizing website.

Are those actual Hillary supporters, or Limbaugh Hillary supporters?

I'm not sure. It's more of an anti-Obama site than a pro-Hillary site, despite the name. Lots of McCain/Palin bling in the avatars and signatures. And the policy critiques of Obama are almost universally from a conservative standpoint.

I pretty sure its where bueno and Artic Edge hang out now under the psuedonyms IHeartHillary and HCR4ever

 

[urbanhack]

Just voted! The boyfriend and I were two of less than ten voters at the polling place. I guess Chicagoans are voting neither early nor often.

I went to the county voting office on Tuesday and it was freaking packed. I went to drop off my wife's absentee voting form and I couldn't even get off the elevator. Keep in mind, this was the late registration office and not early voting, but it was still a mad house.

 

[krista4]

Just voted! The boyfriend and I were two of less than ten voters at the polling place. I guess Chicagoans are voting neither early nor often.

I went to the county voting office on Tuesday and it was freaking packed. I went to drop off my wife's absentee voting form and I couldn't even get off the elevator. Keep in mind, this was the late registration office and not early voting, but it was still a mad house.

We walked over to the polling place on Blackhawk St. Would be really convenient for you, too--that or the one at Chicago and Ashland.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Just voted for Obama!



and got interviewed by the NYT doing a story on early voting.

 

[Slappy White]

hillaryclintonforums.net is just a mesmerizing website.

I just spent 20 minutes over there and I think I need a shower.Jebus, it's like a cocktail party filled with nothing but Jim11 clones. Seriously vile.

 

[DPRugby]

BTW, this thread is gold. I few people close to me keep saying Obama is a Muslim, to which I go . Took some time to read up on that very subject following the links in the first post and now the next time these 'tards say that I can toss back some simple facts in their face.

 

[Sammy Traveller]

FBG for Obama Headquarters - Donations

so we're $740 short of our fundraising goal...

if i had known about this i would've donated through this. unfortunately, i already donated on my own.

 

[DPRugby]

FBG for Obama Headquarters - Donations

so we're $740 short of our fundraising goal...

if i had known about this i would've donated through this. unfortunately, i already donated on my own.

Damn... well then, time for one last donation. Let's bring this thing home Barack!

 

[KW4523]

Just voted! The boyfriend and I were two of less than ten voters at the polling place. I guess Chicagoans are voting neither early nor often.

I voted downtown on Thursday and it took 40 minutes to get through the line. The workers said this is how it has been so far this year.

 

[the moops]

Obama foreign policy advisor Lawrence Korb praises Iran

Did you actually read the article?

 

[timschochet]

You know what excites me the most about an Obama presidency? It's the sense that this country will be optimistic again. Think FDR, John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan. One of the greatest things about America is that our election cycle gives us the chance, every few decades or so, to redefine ourselves as a nation. Obama is one of those special candidates who will help us do that. I'm not helping him get elected, I'm not going to vote for him, but since he's going to win anyway, maybe, just maybe, that sense of optimism and change he brings will be more important than all of his views on economic issues that worry me so much. I hope so. I am determined to be positive, and root for the guy if he wins.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

You know what excites me the most about an Obama presidency? It's the sense that this country will be optimistic again. Think FDR, John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan. One of the greatest things about America is that our election cycle gives us the chance, every few decades or so, to redefine ourselves as a nation. Obama is one of those special candidates who will help us do that. I'm not helping him get elected, I'm not going to vote for him, but since he's going to win anyway, maybe, just maybe, that sense of optimism and change he brings will be more important than all of his views on economic issues that worry me so much. I hope so. I am determined to be positive, and root for the guy if he wins.

This, Tim, is the reason. Not only will the nation have reason for optimism domestically, he's also the man to restore our respect in the eyes of the rest of the world. The current disdain worldwide for the US really hurts our standing (i.e. leverage) on a global level. Simply put, Barack represents the future and McCain represents the past.

 

[krista4]

FBG for Obama Headquarters - Donations

so we're $740 short of our fundraising goal...

if i had known about this i would've donated through this. unfortunately, i already donated on my own.

Didn't know about this either.

 

[krista4]

Just voted! The boyfriend and I were two of less than ten voters at the polling place. I guess Chicagoans are voting neither early nor often.

I voted downtown on Thursday and it took 40 minutes to get through the line. The workers said this is how it has been so far this year.

By "downtown" do you mean the one on Washington in the Loop? Bummer you had to wait. My location (in Wicker Park) was a breeze.

 

[ren hoek]

FBG for Obama Headquarters - Donations

so we're $740 short of our fundraising goal...

if i had known about this i would've donated through this. unfortunately, i already donated on my own.

Absolutely brilliant campaign that they're running. Wish we had something like this for Ron Paul.

 

[kaa]

BTW, this thread is gold. I few people close to me keep saying Obama is a Muslim, to which I go . Took some time to read up on that very subject following the links in the first post and now the next time these 'tards say that I can toss back some simple facts in their face.

Um, Obama IS a muslim by certain definitions of what a muslim is. Some muslims believe once you are a muslim, you are always a muslim and CANNOT leave the faith. If you try to leave, you are to be killed. Obama attended a predominantly muslim school, which in some circles may be enough to consider him a muslim -- for life.http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Obama spent 4-5 attending muslim and catholic schools.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/157...ristianity.html



Muslim apostates threatened over Christianity

Last Updated: 1:44AM GMT 11 Dec 2007

Sofia Allam simply could not believe it. Her kind, loving father was sitting in front of her threatening to kill her. He said she had brought shame and humiliation on him, that she was now "worse than the muck on their shoes" and she deserved to die.

And what had brought on his transformation? He had discovered that she had left the Muslim faith in which he had raised her and become a Christian.

"He said he couldn't have me in the house now that I was a Kaffir [an insulting term for a non-Muslim]," Sofia - not her real name - remembers.

"He said I was damned for ever. He insulted me horribly. I couldn't recognise that man as the father who had been so kind to me as I was growing up.

"My mother's transformation was even worse. She constantly beat me about the head. She screamed at me all the time. I remember saying to them, as they were shouting death threats, 'Mum, Dad - you're saying you should kill me… but I'm your daughter! Don't you realise that?'?"

They did not: they insisted they wanted her out of their house.

After three weeks of bullying, and just before her parents physically threw her out, Sofia left. "They put their loyalty to Islam above any love for me," she says, her voice faltering slightly.

"It was such a shock. I remember thinking when they brought all my uncles round to try to intimidate me - all these men were lined up telling me how terrible a person I was, how the devil had taken me - I remember thinking, how can this be happening? Because this isn't Lahore in Pakistan. This is Dagenham in London! This is Britain!"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle2426314.ece

September 11, 2007

Young Muslims begin dangerous fight for the right to abandon faith

A group of young Muslim apostates launches a campaign today, the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on America, to make it easier to renounce Islam.

The provocative move reflects a growing rift between traditionalists and a younger generation raised on a diet of Dutch tolerance.

The Committee for Ex-Muslims promises to campaign for freedom of religion but has already upset the Islamic and political Establishments for stirring tensions among the million-strong Muslim community in the Netherlands.

Related Links

* 'Whoever changes religion – kill him'

Ehsan Jami, the committee’s founder, who rejected Islam after the attack on the twin towers in 2001, has become the most talked-about public figure in the Netherlands. He has been forced into hiding after a series of death threats and a recent attack.

The threats are taken seriously after the murder in 2002 of Pim Fortuyn, an antiimmigration politician, and in 2004 of Theo Van Gogh, an antiIslam film-maker.

 

[NCCommish]

Weld backs Obama

Former Governor William Weld of Massachusetts is the latest Republican to cross over and support Democrat Barack Obama for president.

Weld held a press conference in Salem, N.H. to announce his endorsement. While Massachusetts is a slam dunk for Obama, neighboring New Hampshire is a competitive state.

Weld told the Associated Press that while he has never endorsed a Democrat for president before, his choice in recent weeks became "close to a no-brainer."

"It's not often you get a guy with his combination of qualities, chief among which I would say is the deep sense of calm he displays, and I think that's a product of his equally deep intelligence," he said.

Weld said his decision was not based on McCain's weaknesses. "John McCain is a very good guy," he said. "I do think the Republican Party has been playing on an increasingly small field in the last couple of elections."

In an earlier statement, Weld said, "Senator Obama is a once-in-a-lifetime candidate who will transform our politics and restore America's standing in the world. We need a president who will lead based on our common values and Senator Obama demonstrates an ability to unite and inspire. Throughout this campaign I've watched his steady leadership through trying times and I'm confident he is the best candidate to move our country forward."

Weld supported former Bay State Governor Mitt Romney during the Republican primaries.

This afternoon, the McCain campaign issued a statement from two other former Republican governors of Massachusetts, Paul Cellucci and Jane Swift.

“John McCain stands head and shoulders above Barack Obama on the critical issues facing our country," they said. "McCain alone has the experience and judgment to jumpstart our economy, create good jobs and keep America safe in a dangerous world. As no less than Joe Biden has said, Barack Obama is not ready to lead. Bill Weld is entitled to his opinion, but we respectfully and strongly disagree.”

Weld joins former Governor Arne Carlson of Minnesota, who announced his backing for Obama on Thursday.

In the Rasmussen Reports national tracking poll, which combines three days of surveying, Obama's support among Republicans is now higher than John McCain's among Democrats. Obama is backed by 12 percent of Republicans while McCain, whose political persona is all about being the maverick with bipartisan appeal, is backed by 10 percent of Democrats.

But with an increasing number of Republicans jumping ship, conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer issued a strongly-worded rejoinder in an op-ed piece in today's Washington Post.

"Contrarian that I am, I'm voting for John McCain," he wrote. "I'm not talking about bucking the polls or the media consensus that it's over before it's over. I'm talking about bucking the rush of wet-fingered conservatives leaping to Barack Obama before they're left out in the cold without a single state dinner for the next four years.

"I stand athwart the rush of conservative ship-jumpers of every stripe -- neo (Ken Adelman), moderate (Colin Powell), genetic/ironic (Christopher Buckley) and socialist/atheist (Christopher Hitchens) -- yelling "Stop!" I shall have no part of this motley crew. I will go down with the McCain ship. I'd rather lose an election than lose my bearings."

UPDATE: Also today, the New Republic reported that Charles Fried, a Harvard Law professor who Weld put on the Supreme Judicial Court, had voted absentee for Obama and had removed himself from several campaign-related committees for McCain.

"I admire Senator McCain and was glad to help in his campaign, and to be listed as doing so; but when I concluded that I must vote for Obama for the reason stated in my letter, I felt it wrong to appear to be recommending to others a vote that I was not prepared to cast myself," Fried, solicitor general for President Reagan, told the magazine. "So it was more of an erasure than a public affirmation--although obviously my vote meant that I thought that Obama was preferable to McCain-Palin. I do not consider abstention a proper option."

LOL at drama queen Krauthammer. The rest is not so pretty for McCain.

 

[Gopher State]

How's Obama Going to Raise $4.3 Trillion?

Wall street Journal

The most troublesome tax increases in Barack Obama's plan are not those we can already see but those sure to be announced later, after the election is over and budget realities rear their ugly head.

M.E. CohenThe new president, whoever he is, will start out facing a budget deficit of at least $1 trillion, possibly much more. Sen. Obama has nonetheless promised to devote another $1.32 trillion over the next 10 years to several new or expanded refundable tax credits and a special exemption for seniors, according to the Urban Institute and Brookings Institution's Tax Policy Center (TPC). He calls this a "middle-class tax cut," while suggesting the middle class includes 95% of those who work.

Mr. Obama's proposed income-based health-insurance subsidies, tax credits for tiny businesses, and expanded Medicaid eligibility would cost another $1.63 trillion, according to the TPC. Thus his tax rebates and health insurance subsidies alone would lift the undisclosed bill to future taxpayers by $2.95 trillion -- roughly $295 billion a year by 2012.

But that's not all. Mr. Obama has also promised to spend more on 176 other programs, according to an 85-page list of campaign promises (actual quotations) compiled by the National Taxpayers Union Foundation. The NTUF was able to produce cost estimates for only 77 of the 176, so its estimate is low. Excluding the Obama health plan, the NTUF estimates that Mr. Obama would raise spending by $611.5 billion over the next five years; the 10-year total (aside from health) would surely exceed $1.4 trillion, because spending typically grows at least as quickly as nominal GDP.

A trillion here, a trillion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money. Altogether, Mr. Obama is promising at least $4.3 trillion of increased spending and reduced tax revenue from 2009 to 2018 -- roughly an extra $430 billion a year by 2012-2013.

How is he going to pay for it?

Raising the tax rates on the salaries, dividends and capital gains of those making more than $200,000-$250,000, and phasing out their exemptions and deductions, can raise only a small fraction of the amount. Even if we have a strong economy, Mr. Obama's proposed tax hikes on the dwindling ranks of high earners would be unlikely to raise much more than $30 billion-$35 billion a year by 2012.

Besides, Mr. Obama does not claim he can finance his ambitious plans for tax credits, health insurance, etc. by taxing the rich. On the contrary, he has an even less likely revenue source in mind.

In his acceptance speech at the Democratic convention on Aug. 28, Mr. Obama said, "I've laid out how I'll pay for every dime -- by closing corporate loopholes and tax havens." That comment refers to $924.1 billion over 10 years from what the TPC wisely labels "unverifiable revenue raisers." To put that huge figure in perspective, the Congressional Budget Office optimistically expects a total of $3.7 trillion from corporate taxes over that period. In other words, Mr. Obama is counting on increasing corporate tax collections by more than 25% simply by closing "loopholes" and complaining about foreign "tax havens."

Nobody, including the Tax Policy Center, believes that is remotely feasible. And Mr. Obama's dream of squeezing more revenue out of corporate profits, dividends and capital gains looks increasingly unbelievable now that profits are falling, banks have cut or eliminated dividends, and only a few short-sellers have any capital gains left to tax.

When it comes to direct spending -- as opposed to handing out "refund" checks through the tax code -- Mr. Obama claims he won't need more revenue because there will be no more spending. He even claims to be proposing to cut more spending ending up with a "net spending cut." That was Mr. Obama's most direct answer to Bob Schieffer, the moderator of the last debate, right after Mr. Schieffer said "The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CFARB) ran the numbers" and found otherwise.

When CFARB "ran the numbers," they relied almost entirely on unverifiable numbers eagerly provided to them by the Obama campaign. That explains why their list of Mr. Obama's new spending plans is so much shorter than the National Taxpayers Union fully documented list.

But nothing quite explains why even the vaguest promises to save money are recorded by CFARB as if they had substance. Mr. Obama is thus credited with saving $50 billion in a single year (2013) by reducing "wasteful spending" and unnamed "obsolete programs." He is said to save Medicare $43 billion a year by importing foreign drugs and negotiating bargains from drug companies. Yet even proponents of that approach such as the Lewin Group find that cannot save more than $6 billion a year. So the remaining $37 billion turns out to depend on what the Obama campaign refers to as undertaking "additional measures as necessary" (more taxes?).

The number of U.S. troops in Iraq will decline, regardless of who the next president is. Yet the CFARB credits John McCain's budget with only a $5 billion savings from troop reduction in Iraq, while Mr. Obama gets an extra $55 billion.

Straining to add credibility to Mr. Obama's fantasy about discovering $75 billion in 2013 from "closing corporate loopholes and tax havens," CFARB assures us that "the campaign has said that an Obama administration would look for other sources of revenue." Indeed they would.

In one respect, CFARB is more candid than the Obama campaign. Mr. Obama favors a relatively draconian cap-and-trade scheme in which the government would sell rights to emit carbon dioxide. The effect on U.S. families and firms would be like a steep tax on electricity, gasoline and energy-intensive products such as paper, plastic and aluminum. Whenever Mr. Obama claims he has not (yet) proposed any tax increase on couples earning less than $250,000, he forgets to mention his de facto $100 billion annual tax on energy. (The McCain-Lieberman cap-and-trade plan is more gradual and much less costly.)

CFARB assumes Mr. Obama's cap-and-trade tax would raise $100 billion in 2013 alone, but the actual revenue raised would be much lower. Like every other steep surge in energy costs, the Obama cap-and-trade tax would crush the economy, reducing tax receipts from profits and personal income.

The Joint Tax Committee reports that the bottom 60% of taxpayers with incomes below $50,000 paid less than 1% of the federal income tax in 2006, while the 3.3% with incomes above $200,000 paid more than 58%. Most of Mr. Obama's tax rebates go to the bottom 60%. They can't possibly be financed by shifting an even larger share of the tax burden to the top 3.3%.

Mr. Obama has offered no clue as to how he intends to pay for his health-insurance plans, or doubling foreign aid, or any of the other 175 programs he's promised to expand. Although he may hope to collect an even larger share of loot from the top of the heap, the harsh reality is that this Democrat's quest for hundreds of billions more revenue each year would have to reach deep into the pockets of the people much lower on the economic ladder. Even then he'd come up short.

I hope I get my fair share before Obama runs out of money. Maybe he bring back that free cheese program, that was good cheese

 

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"Contrarian that I am, I'm voting for John McCain," he wrote. "I'm not talking about bucking the polls or the media consensus that it's over before it's over. I'm talking about bucking the rush of wet-fingered conservatives leaping to Barack Obama before they're left out in the cold without a single state dinner for the next four years.

"I stand athwart the rush of conservative ship-jumpers of every stripe -- neo (Ken Adelman), moderate (Colin Powell), genetic/ironic (Christopher Buckley) and socialist/atheist (Christopher Hitchens) -- yelling "Stop!" I shall have no part of this motley crew. I will go down with the McCain ship. I'd rather lose an election than lose my bearings."

LOL at drama queen Krauthammer. The rest is not so pretty for McCain.

Whoa, Chuck! Dial it down a bit.

 

[NCCommish]

How's Obama Going to Raise $4.3 Trillion? Wall street JournalI hope I get my fair share before Obama runs out of money. Maybe he bring back that free cheese program, that was good cheese

Wow a Wall Street journal attack on Obamas plan while they cheerled the issues that got us here. No mention of the fact that McCain wants to spend more, has basically taken everything off the table in his big spending "freeze" and wants to take more of the middle classes money right now with his tax plan. I don't have to wait for some hypothetcal if I vote McCain I get it right up front. What a joke.