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[Fennis]

Weld backs Obama

Former Governor William Weld of Massachusetts is the latest Republican to cross over and support Democrat Barack Obama for president.

Weld held a press conference in Salem, N.H. to announce his endorsement. While Massachusetts is a slam dunk for Obama, neighboring New Hampshire is a competitive state.

Weld told the Associated Press that while he has never endorsed a Democrat for president before, his choice in recent weeks became "close to a no-brainer."

"It's not often you get a guy with his combination of qualities, chief among which I would say is the deep sense of calm he displays, and I think that's a product of his equally deep intelligence," he said.

Weld said his decision was not based on McCain's weaknesses. "John McCain is a very good guy," he said. "I do think the Republican Party has been playing on an increasingly small field in the last couple of elections."

In an earlier statement, Weld said, "Senator Obama is a once-in-a-lifetime candidate who will transform our politics and restore America's standing in the world. We need a president who will lead based on our common values and Senator Obama demonstrates an ability to unite and inspire. Throughout this campaign I've watched his steady leadership through trying times and I'm confident he is the best candidate to move our country forward."

Weld supported former Bay State Governor Mitt Romney during the Republican primaries.

This afternoon, the McCain campaign issued a statement from two other former Republican governors of Massachusetts, Paul Cellucci and Jane Swift.

“John McCain stands head and shoulders above Barack Obama on the critical issues facing our country," they said. "McCain alone has the experience and judgment to jumpstart our economy, create good jobs and keep America safe in a dangerous world. As no less than Joe Biden has said, Barack Obama is not ready to lead. Bill Weld is entitled to his opinion, but we respectfully and strongly disagree.”

Weld joins former Governor Arne Carlson of Minnesota, who announced his backing for Obama on Thursday.

In the Rasmussen Reports national tracking poll, which combines three days of surveying, Obama's support among Republicans is now higher than John McCain's among Democrats. Obama is backed by 12 percent of Republicans while McCain, whose political persona is all about being the maverick with bipartisan appeal, is backed by 10 percent of Democrats.

But with an increasing number of Republicans jumping ship, conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer issued a strongly-worded rejoinder in an op-ed piece in today's Washington Post.

"Contrarian that I am, I'm voting for John McCain," he wrote. "I'm not talking about bucking the polls or the media consensus that it's over before it's over. I'm talking about bucking the rush of wet-fingered conservatives leaping to Barack Obama before they're left out in the cold without a single state dinner for the next four years.

"I stand athwart the rush of conservative ship-jumpers of every stripe -- neo (Ken Adelman), moderate (Colin Powell), genetic/ironic (Christopher Buckley) and socialist/atheist (Christopher Hitchens) -- yelling "Stop!" I shall have no part of this motley crew. I will go down with the McCain ship. I'd rather lose an election than lose my bearings."

UPDATE: Also today, the New Republic reported that Charles Fried, a Harvard Law professor who Weld put on the Supreme Judicial Court, had voted absentee for Obama and had removed himself from several campaign-related committees for McCain.

"I admire Senator McCain and was glad to help in his campaign, and to be listed as doing so; but when I concluded that I must vote for Obama for the reason stated in my letter, I felt it wrong to appear to be recommending to others a vote that I was not prepared to cast myself," Fried, solicitor general for President Reagan, told the magazine. "So it was more of an erasure than a public affirmation--although obviously my vote meant that I thought that Obama was preferable to McCain-Palin. I do not consider abstention a proper option."

LOL at drama queen Krauthammer. The rest is not so pretty for McCain.

Great article, thanks for posting. Glad to see a lot of Republicans coming to Obama, even if it is late. Makes me feel vindicated.

 

[Statorama]

Nice photo of Obama when he was a member of the Socialistic "New Party"

 

[Statorama]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

 

[Orange Crush]

Nice photo of Obama when he was a member of the Socialistic "New Party"

:X Try again. That caption mentions Obama standing with two New Party members. It doesn't say he was a New Party member (unless of course you believe Obama's "associations" with Ayers makes him a Weatherman).

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Nice photo of Obama when he was a member of the Socialistic "New Party"

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

 

[NCCommish]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your side job?

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

BTW, this thread is gold. I few people close to me keep saying Obama is a Muslim, to which I go . Took some time to read up on that very subject following the links in the first post and now the next time these 'tards say that I can toss back some simple facts in their face.

Um, Obama IS a muslim by certain definitions of what a muslim is. Some muslims believe once you are a muslim, you are always a muslim and CANNOT leave the faith. If you try to leave, you are to be killed. Obama attended a predominantly muslim school, which in some circles may be enough to consider him a muslim -- for life.http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Obama spent 4-5 attending muslim and catholic schools.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/157...ristianity.html



Muslim apostates threatened over Christianity

Last Updated: 1:44AM GMT 11 Dec 2007

Sofia Allam simply could not believe it. Her kind, loving father was sitting in front of her threatening to kill her. He said she had brought shame and humiliation on him, that she was now "worse than the muck on their shoes" and she deserved to die.

And what had brought on his transformation? He had discovered that she had left the Muslim faith in which he had raised her and become a Christian.

"He said he couldn't have me in the house now that I was a Kaffir [an insulting term for a non-Muslim]," Sofia - not her real name - remembers.

"He said I was damned for ever. He insulted me horribly. I couldn't recognise that man as the father who had been so kind to me as I was growing up.

"My mother's transformation was even worse. She constantly beat me about the head. She screamed at me all the time. I remember saying to them, as they were shouting death threats, 'Mum, Dad - you're saying you should kill me… but I'm your daughter! Don't you realise that?'?"

They did not: they insisted they wanted her out of their house.

After three weeks of bullying, and just before her parents physically threw her out, Sofia left. "They put their loyalty to Islam above any love for me," she says, her voice faltering slightly.

"It was such a shock. I remember thinking when they brought all my uncles round to try to intimidate me - all these men were lined up telling me how terrible a person I was, how the devil had taken me - I remember thinking, how can this be happening? Because this isn't Lahore in Pakistan. This is Dagenham in London! This is Britain!"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle2426314.ece

September 11, 2007

Young Muslims begin dangerous fight for the right to abandon faith

A group of young Muslim apostates launches a campaign today, the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on America, to make it easier to renounce Islam.

The provocative move reflects a growing rift between traditionalists and a younger generation raised on a diet of Dutch tolerance.

The Committee for Ex-Muslims promises to campaign for freedom of religion but has already upset the Islamic and political Establishments for stirring tensions among the million-strong Muslim community in the Netherlands.

Related Links

* 'Whoever changes religion – kill him'

Ehsan Jami, the committee’s founder, who rejected Islam after the attack on the twin towers in 2001, has become the most talked-about public figure in the Netherlands. He has been forced into hiding after a series of death threats and a recent attack.

The threats are taken seriously after the murder in 2002 of Pim Fortuyn, an antiimmigration politician, and in 2004 of Theo Van Gogh, an antiIslam film-maker.

Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.

 

[Statorama]

Undercover cop talks about Weather Underground's plan to kill 25 million people

I asked, "well what is going to happen to those people we can't reeducate, that are diehard capitalists?" and the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated.

And when I pursued this further, they estimated they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these reeducation centers.

And when I say "eliminate," I mean "kill."

Twenty-five million people.

I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of which have graduate degrees, from Columbia and other well-known educational centers, and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people.

And they were dead serious.

 

[Orange Crush]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Obama had a girlfriend that his wife found out about and forced her to move to the Caribbean.

What would an election be without a sex scandal? If you only read the American mainstream media, you might not know that the U.K.’s Daily Mail reported that Obama was “the target of a shadowy smear campaign designed to derail his bid for the US Presidency by falsely claiming he had a close friendship with an attractive African-American female employee…. The woman, now 33, vigorously denies the vicious and unsubstantiated gossip.” Unfortunately, the American mainstream media apparently has some kind of silly rules about publishing stories about unsubstantiated rumors as a way of writing about those rumors, but conservative bloggers have been all over the story like white bloggers on rice. Once again the conservative blogosphere’s most respected blogger Ace of Spades led the way. “Having now spoken to someone tracking the story, I can say: 1) It's not just a silly little rumor. 2) It will break in some form shortly,” he wrote. Ace even noticed that Obama had vacationed in the Caribbean, noting his source “hadn't even made that connection.” That’s just how Ace’s mind works, making connections that don’t even occur to peddlers of sleazy gossip.

Unfortunately, the story hasn’t broken yet in some form, except on a number of prominent conservative blogs. Jammie Wearing Fool presented a very credible case for why the story might be true, writing, “If you're Obama and you're married to the modern-day incarnation of Aunt Esther, you've got to figure the temptation to get your thang on must be pretty strong.” Say Anything advised Obama to “disclose this woman’s pay records, her travel records and her job history as it relates to working for his Senate staff and/or campaign.” Stop the ACLU cautioned, “Just remember…this is only a rumor until the media get off their behinds and actually investigate this,” but that didn’t stop Right Voices, Protein Wisdom, Hill Buzz, Confederate Yankee, Jammie Wearing Fool, Silent Running or Black Five from discussing it. Unfortunately, these bloggers have been unable to offer any evidence that the story is true, but just because there is no evidence that something is true, that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Stat, you're killing me with all this. Really, I'm having a hard time breathing. Especially with the guy with all the evidence named "Wolf". Oooooooohhhhh!!! That clinches it!

 

[Futility]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Obama had a girlfriend that his wife found out about and forced her to move to the Caribbean.

What would an election be without a sex scandal? If you only read the American mainstream media, you might not know that the U.K.’s Daily Mail reported that Obama was “the target of a shadowy smear campaign designed to derail his bid for the US Presidency by falsely claiming he had a close friendship with an attractive African-American female employee…. The woman, now 33, vigorously denies the vicious and unsubstantiated gossip.” Unfortunately, the American mainstream media apparently has some kind of silly rules about publishing stories about unsubstantiated rumors as a way of writing about those rumors, but conservative bloggers have been all over the story like white bloggers on rice. Once again the conservative blogosphere’s most respected blogger Ace of Spades led the way. “Having now spoken to someone tracking the story, I can say: 1) It's not just a silly little rumor. 2) It will break in some form shortly,” he wrote. Ace even noticed that Obama had vacationed in the Caribbean, noting his source “hadn't even made that connection.” That’s just how Ace’s mind works, making connections that don’t even occur to peddlers of sleazy gossip.

Unfortunately, the story hasn’t broken yet in some form, except on a number of prominent conservative blogs. Jammie Wearing Fool presented a very credible case for why the story might be true, writing, “If you're Obama and you're married to the modern-day incarnation of Aunt Esther, you've got to figure the temptation to get your thang on must be pretty strong.” Say Anything advised Obama to “disclose this woman’s pay records, her travel records and her job history as it relates to working for his Senate staff and/or campaign.” Stop the ACLU cautioned, “Just remember…this is only a rumor until the media get off their behinds and actually investigate this,” but that didn’t stop Right Voices, Protein Wisdom, Hill Buzz, Confederate Yankee, Jammie Wearing Fool, Silent Running or Black Five from discussing it. Unfortunately, these bloggers have been unable to offer any evidence that the story is true, but just because there is no evidence that something is true, that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Stat, you're killing me with all this. Really, I'm having a hard time breathing. Especially with the guy with all the evidence named "Wolf". Oooooooohhhhh!!! That clinches it!

Really? By now I just find myself yawning at anything Stat posts. If the election was any farther away, I'd probably have ignored him by now.

 

[NCCommish]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Obama had a girlfriend that his wife found out about and forced her to move to the Caribbean.

What would an election be without a sex scandal? If you only read the American mainstream media, you might not know that the U.K.’s Daily Mail reported that Obama was “the target of a shadowy smear campaign designed to derail his bid for the US Presidency by falsely claiming he had a close friendship with an attractive African-American female employee…. The woman, now 33, vigorously denies the vicious and unsubstantiated gossip.” Unfortunately, the American mainstream media apparently has some kind of silly rules about publishing stories about unsubstantiated rumors as a way of writing about those rumors, but conservative bloggers have been all over the story like white bloggers on rice. Once again the conservative blogosphere’s most respected blogger Ace of Spades led the way. “Having now spoken to someone tracking the story, I can say: 1) It's not just a silly little rumor. 2) It will break in some form shortly,” he wrote. Ace even noticed that Obama had vacationed in the Caribbean, noting his source “hadn't even made that connection.” That’s just how Ace’s mind works, making connections that don’t even occur to peddlers of sleazy gossip.

Unfortunately, the story hasn’t broken yet in some form, except on a number of prominent conservative blogs. Jammie Wearing Fool presented a very credible case for why the story might be true, writing, “If you're Obama and you're married to the modern-day incarnation of Aunt Esther, you've got to figure the temptation to get your thang on must be pretty strong.” Say Anything advised Obama to “disclose this woman’s pay records, her travel records and her job history as it relates to working for his Senate staff and/or campaign.” Stop the ACLU cautioned, “Just remember…this is only a rumor until the media get off their behinds and actually investigate this,” but that didn’t stop Right Voices, Protein Wisdom, Hill Buzz, Confederate Yankee, Jammie Wearing Fool, Silent Running or Black Five from discussing it. Unfortunately, these bloggers have been unable to offer any evidence that the story is true, but just because there is no evidence that something is true, that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Stat, you're killing me with all this. Really, I'm having a hard time breathing. Especially with the guy with all the evidence named "Wolf". Oooooooohhhhh!!! That clinches it!

Really? By now I just find myself yawning at anything Stat posts. If the election was any farther away, I'd probably have ignored him by now.

Stats ok. Some people just don't do shtick well. I don't, that's why I don't do it. Stat should follow my example.

 

[Orange Crush]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Obama had a girlfriend that his wife found out about and forced her to move to the Caribbean.

What would an election be without a sex scandal? If you only read the American mainstream media, you might not know that the U.K.’s Daily Mail reported that Obama was “the target of a shadowy smear campaign designed to derail his bid for the US Presidency by falsely claiming he had a close friendship with an attractive African-American female employee…. The woman, now 33, vigorously denies the vicious and unsubstantiated gossip.” Unfortunately, the American mainstream media apparently has some kind of silly rules about publishing stories about unsubstantiated rumors as a way of writing about those rumors, but conservative bloggers have been all over the story like white bloggers on rice. Once again the conservative blogosphere’s most respected blogger Ace of Spades led the way. “Having now spoken to someone tracking the story, I can say: 1) It's not just a silly little rumor. 2) It will break in some form shortly,” he wrote. Ace even noticed that Obama had vacationed in the Caribbean, noting his source “hadn't even made that connection.” That’s just how Ace’s mind works, making connections that don’t even occur to peddlers of sleazy gossip.

Unfortunately, the story hasn’t broken yet in some form, except on a number of prominent conservative blogs. Jammie Wearing Fool presented a very credible case for why the story might be true, writing, “If you're Obama and you're married to the modern-day incarnation of Aunt Esther, you've got to figure the temptation to get your thang on must be pretty strong.” Say Anything advised Obama to “disclose this woman’s pay records, her travel records and her job history as it relates to working for his Senate staff and/or campaign.” Stop the ACLU cautioned, “Just remember…this is only a rumor until the media get off their behinds and actually investigate this,” but that didn’t stop Right Voices, Protein Wisdom, Hill Buzz, Confederate Yankee, Jammie Wearing Fool, Silent Running or Black Five from discussing it. Unfortunately, these bloggers have been unable to offer any evidence that the story is true, but just because there is no evidence that something is true, that doesn’t mean it isn’t true.

Stat, you're killing me with all this. Really, I'm having a hard time breathing. Especially with the guy with all the evidence named "Wolf". Oooooooohhhhh!!! That clinches it!

Really? By now I just find myself yawning at anything Stat posts. If the election was any farther away, I'd probably have ignored him by now.

Oh I get great entertainment out of Stat. I always picture him having to go out into his backyard each night at midnight and howl at the moon.

 

[Statorama]

Barney Frank continues to show what a one party government will look like

WASHINGTON – Liberal-leaning economists made the case for several new and expensive spending programs as a House panel on Friday pressed the Democratic case for legislation to try again to jump-start the sagging economy.

Even though Congress is in recess, Democrats have held several hearings this week to make the case for a $150 billion or more economic stimulus measure to follow the $700 billion bank rescue passed three weeks ago. A round of tax rebates and business tax breaks passed in February was credited with giving the economy a modest boost over the summer, but fears of a protracted recession after the credit crisis have Democrats promising more.

While tax cuts for low- and middle-income people are likely to be part of the Democratic plan, Democrats are focusing renewed attention on spending programs like public works projects such as road building and bridge repair, extending unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless, higher food stamp payments and aid to states to prevent layoffs and help with Medicaid costs.

"It is urgent that we prepare now to take the next steps to rescue the economy by creating jobs, providing immediate relief to the states and small businesses, and by making real investments in energy, technology and education," House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-Calif., said at Friday's session.

Some economists contend that federal dollars devoted to items like unemployment benefits and food stamps are more efficient tools to boost the economy than tax cuts and they say money devoted to infrastructure projects has lasting economic benefits.

"Since unemployed persons typically spend their checks to meet basic needs, the program yields a particularly large 'bang for the buck,'" said Jared Bernstein, senior economist for the liberal Economic Policy Institute.

But the Bush White House and congressional Republicans have a much dimmer view of spending as a stimulus. They blocked such spending plans earlier this year and again in September, but Democrats hope their resistance will soften as the economy continues to struggle. Senate Republicans blocked a $56 billion stimulus plan last month.

There's little evidence of changing attitudes among Republicans, however, though the results of next month's elections could change GOP attitudes.

They have outlined an economic stimulus package that will cost more than $300 billion without providing the long term stability or job creation that our economy so desperately needs, said top panel Republican Howard "Buck" McKeon of California in a statement.

If Republicans continue to resist, said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., Democrats are likely to rejoin the issue in January, when they expect party standard bearer Barack Obama to take the oath of office as president.

"There's no question the House will pass ... a much bigger (stimulus plan) than we passed before," Frank said of a postelection lame duck session. "If enough Republicans in the Senate decide to filibuster it ... then we'll just wait until January."

Frank added that he believes the Democratic plan would offer permanent tax relief to middle income and working class people.

In order to pay for liberal spending, Frank will cut Defense Spending

 

[toshiba]

Barney Frank continues to show what a one party government will look like

WASHINGTON – Liberal-leaning economists made the case for several new and expensive spending programs as a House panel on Friday pressed the Democratic case for legislation to try again to jump-start the sagging economy.

Even though Congress is in recess, Democrats have held several hearings this week to make the case for a $150 billion or more economic stimulus measure to follow the $700 billion bank rescue passed three weeks ago. A round of tax rebates and business tax breaks passed in February was credited with giving the economy a modest boost over the summer, but fears of a protracted recession after the credit crisis have Democrats promising more.

While tax cuts for low- and middle-income people are likely to be part of the Democratic plan, Democrats are focusing renewed attention on spending programs like public works projects such as road building and bridge repair, extending unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless, higher food stamp payments and aid to states to prevent layoffs and help with Medicaid costs.

"It is urgent that we prepare now to take the next steps to rescue the economy by creating jobs, providing immediate relief to the states and small businesses, and by making real investments in energy, technology and education," House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-Calif., said at Friday's session.

Some economists contend that federal dollars devoted to items like unemployment benefits and food stamps are more efficient tools to boost the economy than tax cuts and they say money devoted to infrastructure projects has lasting economic benefits.

"Since unemployed persons typically spend their checks to meet basic needs, the program yields a particularly large 'bang for the buck,'" said Jared Bernstein, senior economist for the liberal Economic Policy Institute.

But the Bush White House and congressional Republicans have a much dimmer view of spending as a stimulus. They blocked such spending plans earlier this year and again in September, but Democrats hope their resistance will soften as the economy continues to struggle. Senate Republicans blocked a $56 billion stimulus plan last month.

There's little evidence of changing attitudes among Republicans, however, though the results of next month's elections could change GOP attitudes.

They have outlined an economic stimulus package that will cost more than $300 billion without providing the long term stability or job creation that our economy so desperately needs, said top panel Republican Howard "Buck" McKeon of California in a statement.

If Republicans continue to resist, said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., Democrats are likely to rejoin the issue in January, when they expect party standard bearer Barack Obama to take the oath of office as president.

"There's no question the House will pass ... a much bigger (stimulus plan) than we passed before," Frank said of a postelection lame duck session. "If enough Republicans in the Senate decide to filibuster it ... then we'll just wait until January."

Frank added that he believes the Democratic plan would offer permanent tax relief to middle income and working class people.

In order to pay for liberal spending, Frank will cut Defense Spending

Hopefully this is only a start!

 

[jdoggydogg]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

 

[Statorama]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

Just reporting the news home slice My world is currently quite pleasant. I'd like to keep it that way. Obama's policies couldn't work worse for me if he singled me out individually to destroy.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

Maybe he could share that Obama nonsense with his girlfriend? Oh that's right, he doesn't have a girlfriend.

 

[Statorama]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

 

[Statorama]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

Maybe he could share that Obama nonsense with his girlfriend? Oh that's right, he doesn't have a girlfriend.

You know, if I owned a fantasy football website message board, I'd consider that being "not excellent to each other".

 

[jdoggydogg]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

This from the guy that posts every random bit of false innuendo he can find on the web.

 

[Green and Gold]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

Come on.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

Maybe he could share that Obama nonsense with his girlfriend? Oh that's right, he doesn't have a girlfriend.

You know, if I owned a fantasy football website message board, I'd consider that being "not excellent to each other".

Okay, I agree. I take it back.

 

[Statorama]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

This from the guy that posts every random bit of false innuendo he can find on the web.

Are they false simply because you don't believe them?

 

[DPRugby]

BTW, this thread is gold. I few people close to me keep saying Obama is a Muslim, to which I go . Took some time to read up on that very subject following the links in the first post and now the next time these 'tards say that I can toss back some simple facts in their face.

Um, Obama IS a muslim by certain definitions of what a muslim is. Some muslims believe once you are a muslim, you are always a muslim and CANNOT leave the faith. If you try to leave, you are to be killed. Obama attended a predominantly muslim school, which in some circles may be enough to consider him a muslim -- for life.http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Obama spent 4-5 attending muslim and catholic schools.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/157...ristianity.html



Muslim apostates threatened over Christianity

Last Updated: 1:44AM GMT 11 Dec 2007

Sofia Allam simply could not believe it. Her kind, loving father was sitting in front of her threatening to kill her. He said she had brought shame and humiliation on him, that she was now "worse than the muck on their shoes" and she deserved to die.

And what had brought on his transformation? He had discovered that she had left the Muslim faith in which he had raised her and become a Christian.

"He said he couldn't have me in the house now that I was a Kaffir [an insulting term for a non-Muslim]," Sofia - not her real name - remembers.

"He said I was damned for ever. He insulted me horribly. I couldn't recognise that man as the father who had been so kind to me as I was growing up.

"My mother's transformation was even worse. She constantly beat me about the head. She screamed at me all the time. I remember saying to them, as they were shouting death threats, 'Mum, Dad - you're saying you should kill me… but I'm your daughter! Don't you realise that?'?"

They did not: they insisted they wanted her out of their house.

After three weeks of bullying, and just before her parents physically threw her out, Sofia left. "They put their loyalty to Islam above any love for me," she says, her voice faltering slightly.

"It was such a shock. I remember thinking when they brought all my uncles round to try to intimidate me - all these men were lined up telling me how terrible a person I was, how the devil had taken me - I remember thinking, how can this be happening? Because this isn't Lahore in Pakistan. This is Dagenham in London! This is Britain!"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle2426314.ece

September 11, 2007

Young Muslims begin dangerous fight for the right to abandon faith

A group of young Muslim apostates launches a campaign today, the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on America, to make it easier to renounce Islam.

The provocative move reflects a growing rift between traditionalists and a younger generation raised on a diet of Dutch tolerance.

The Committee for Ex-Muslims promises to campaign for freedom of religion but has already upset the Islamic and political Establishments for stirring tensions among the million-strong Muslim community in the Netherlands.

Related Links

* 'Whoever changes religion – kill him'

Ehsan Jami, the committee’s founder, who rejected Islam after the attack on the twin towers in 2001, has become the most talked-about public figure in the Netherlands. He has been forced into hiding after a series of death threats and a recent attack.

The threats are taken seriously after the murder in 2002 of Pim Fortuyn, an antiimmigration politician, and in 2004 of Theo Van Gogh, an antiIslam film-maker.

Nice reach kaa.

 

[Futility]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

This from the guy that posts every random bit of false innuendo he can find on the web.

Are they false simply because you don't believe them?

They're false because they're based on anonymous internet sources named "Wolf."

 

[Futility]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

It's amazing how bad this shtick is. And I know you're thinking "that's the greatness of my shtick, that nobody gets how over-the-top I am." No, I get it. And after months and months, it's just awful. Know when to quit. I don't think any regular board member reads anything you type with any shred of seriousness. Might as well buy your next 4-digit username, cause you've driven this one into the ground.

 

[kaa]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

It's amazing how bad this shtick is. And I know you're thinking "that's the greatness of my shtick, that nobody gets how over-the-top I am." No, I get it. And after months and months, it's just awful. Know when to quit. I don't think any regular board member reads anything you type with any shred of seriousness. Might as well buy your next 4-digit username, cause you've driven this one into the ground.

Stop it. Resorting to forum politics to try to shut people up is stupid. You sound like a 12 year old trying to shout down the kid you don't like on the playground.

 

[kaa]

BTW, this thread is gold. I few people close to me keep saying Obama is a Muslim, to which I go . Took some time to read up on that very subject following the links in the first post and now the next time these 'tards say that I can toss back some simple facts in their face.

Um, Obama IS a muslim by certain definitions of what a muslim is. Some muslims believe once you are a muslim, you are always a muslim and CANNOT leave the faith. If you try to leave, you are to be killed. Obama attended a predominantly muslim school, which in some circles may be enough to consider him a muslim -- for life.http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Obama spent 4-5 attending muslim and catholic schools.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/157...ristianity.html



Muslim apostates threatened over Christianity

Last Updated: 1:44AM GMT 11 Dec 2007

Sofia Allam simply could not believe it. Her kind, loving father was sitting in front of her threatening to kill her. He said she had brought shame and humiliation on him, that she was now "worse than the muck on their shoes" and she deserved to die.

And what had brought on his transformation? He had discovered that she had left the Muslim faith in which he had raised her and become a Christian.

"He said he couldn't have me in the house now that I was a Kaffir [an insulting term for a non-Muslim]," Sofia - not her real name - remembers.

"He said I was damned for ever. He insulted me horribly. I couldn't recognise that man as the father who had been so kind to me as I was growing up.

"My mother's transformation was even worse. She constantly beat me about the head. She screamed at me all the time. I remember saying to them, as they were shouting death threats, 'Mum, Dad - you're saying you should kill me… but I'm your daughter! Don't you realise that?'?"

They did not: they insisted they wanted her out of their house.

After three weeks of bullying, and just before her parents physically threw her out, Sofia left. "They put their loyalty to Islam above any love for me," she says, her voice faltering slightly.

"It was such a shock. I remember thinking when they brought all my uncles round to try to intimidate me - all these men were lined up telling me how terrible a person I was, how the devil had taken me - I remember thinking, how can this be happening? Because this isn't Lahore in Pakistan. This is Dagenham in London! This is Britain!"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/worl...icle2426314.ece

September 11, 2007

Young Muslims begin dangerous fight for the right to abandon faith

A group of young Muslim apostates launches a campaign today, the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks on America, to make it easier to renounce Islam.

The provocative move reflects a growing rift between traditionalists and a younger generation raised on a diet of Dutch tolerance.

The Committee for Ex-Muslims promises to campaign for freedom of religion but has already upset the Islamic and political Establishments for stirring tensions among the million-strong Muslim community in the Netherlands.

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* 'Whoever changes religion – kill him'

Ehsan Jami, the committee’s founder, who rejected Islam after the attack on the twin towers in 2001, has become the most talked-about public figure in the Netherlands. He has been forced into hiding after a series of death threats and a recent attack.

The threats are taken seriously after the murder in 2002 of Pim Fortuyn, an antiimmigration politician, and in 2004 of Theo Van Gogh, an antiIslam film-maker.

Nice reach kaa.

Its not a reach, its the truth. The misinformation form the elite left is annoying on this issue because they seem to actually get pretty full of themselves on this one and like to put down middle america as stupid when in fact they've got it right.

 

[Green and Gold]

Honestly, kaa, please stop with the 'elite left' stuff. There are plenty of conservatives that think liberals are stupid, that they don't know how the world really works, and otherwise act condescendingly toward the left. I've seen it on these boards, read it in conservative articles, and heard it from people in everyday life.

Some liberals think middle America is full of idiots. And they're right. Some conservatives think that liberal academia are filled with people that don't know how the real world works. They're right, too. There is plenty of ignorance to go around. But, there are very smart Republicans and very worldly liberals too. You can try and pigeonhole people, but you're just doing yourself and them a disservice by placing a label on it. Once you say, "elite left,' you're basically turning whatever argument you're trying to make into an us vs. them whine fest.

 

[Statorama]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

It's amazing how bad this shtick is. And I know you're thinking "that's the greatness of my shtick, that nobody gets how over-the-top I am." No, I get it. And after months and months, it's just awful. Know when to quit. I don't think any regular board member reads anything you type with any shred of seriousness. Might as well buy your next 4-digit username, cause you've driven this one into the ground.

You can't begin to imagine how broad it makes me smile knowing I frustrate you like this.

 

[Statorama]

The "Super Rich" endorse Obama

According to a new survey by Prince & Associates, voters worth $1 million to $10 million are favoring Sen. John McCain, while voters worth $30 million or more are favoring Sen. Barack Obama. The survey of 493 families showed:

More than three quarters of those worth $1 million to $10 million plan to vote for Sen. McCain. Only 15% plan to vote for Sen. Obama (the rest are undecided). Of those worth more than $30 million, two-thirds support Sen. Obama, while one third support Sen. McCain.

 

[Statorama]

More on Obama's Fundraising Fraud

the Obama campaign refuses to screen credit card contributions for potential fraudulent transactions, and thus any individual could make unlimited contributions using infinite aliases.

Hmm, can't think of a lot of other venues where you can skirt around the rules by using an alias....

 

[Futility]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

It's amazing how bad this shtick is. And I know you're thinking "that's the greatness of my shtick, that nobody gets how over-the-top I am." No, I get it. And after months and months, it's just awful. Know when to quit. I don't think any regular board member reads anything you type with any shred of seriousness. Might as well buy your next 4-digit username, cause you've driven this one into the ground.

You can't begin to imagine how broad it makes me smile knowing I frustrate you like this.

Whatever gets your rocks off, guy. Have fun being an innernet doosh.

 

[the moops]

More on Obama's Fundraising Fraud

the Obama campaign refuses to screen credit card contributions for potential fraudulent transactions, and thus any individual could make unlimited contributions using infinite aliases.

Hmm, can't think of a lot of other venues where you can skirt around the rules by using an alias....

McCain's contributor database shows at least 201 donations from individuals listing themselves as "anonymous" or "anonymous anonymous," according to Obama's campaign. In one particularly embarrassing episode, the McCain campaign mistakenly sent a fundraising solicitation to the Russian ambassador to the United Nations.

 

[Futility]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

It's amazing how bad this shtick is. And I know you're thinking "that's the greatness of my shtick, that nobody gets how over-the-top I am." No, I get it. And after months and months, it's just awful. Know when to quit. I don't think any regular board member reads anything you type with any shred of seriousness. Might as well buy your next 4-digit username, cause you've driven this one into the ground.

Stop it. Resorting to forum politics to try to shut people up is stupid. You sound like a 12 year old trying to shout down the kid you don't like on the playground.

Do you really wanna have this conversation?

 

[Statorama]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

It's amazing how bad this shtick is. And I know you're thinking "that's the greatness of my shtick, that nobody gets how over-the-top I am." No, I get it. And after months and months, it's just awful. Know when to quit. I don't think any regular board member reads anything you type with any shred of seriousness. Might as well buy your next 4-digit username, cause you've driven this one into the ground.

You can't begin to imagine how broad it makes me smile knowing I frustrate you like this.

Whatever gets your rocks off, guy. Have fun being an innernet doosh.

Why do I continue to be amazed that when Democrats are presented an opportunity to debate a political issue, they turn to name calling instead.I think the responses I get in here really speak for themselves in this regard. Democrats, instead of arguing the point intelligently, resort to slurring the messenger.

 

[Neofight]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

It's amazing how bad this shtick is. And I know you're thinking "that's the greatness of my shtick, that nobody gets how over-the-top I am." No, I get it. And after months and months, it's just awful. Know when to quit. I don't think any regular board member reads anything you type with any shred of seriousness. Might as well buy your next 4-digit username, cause you've driven this one into the ground.

You can't begin to imagine how broad it makes me smile knowing I frustrate you like this.

Whatever gets your rocks off, guy. Have fun being an innernet doosh.

Why do I continue to be amazed that when Democrats are presented an opportunity to debate a political issue, they turn to name calling instead.I think the responses I get in here really speak for themselves in this regard. Democrats, instead of arguing the point intelligently, resort to slurring the messenger.

How do you define debate, Stat? Because throwing crap at a wall to see what sticks doesn't really qualify. Amusing at times, yes; appalling at others. But considering you yourself have already admitted it is indeed shtick, and laughed openly about it, well I just don't see your point here. And you continue with ad hominem attacks. How are we to take a laughing boy like you seriously?

 

[adonis]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

It's amazing how bad this shtick is. And I know you're thinking "that's the greatness of my shtick, that nobody gets how over-the-top I am." No, I get it. And after months and months, it's just awful. Know when to quit. I don't think any regular board member reads anything you type with any shred of seriousness. Might as well buy your next 4-digit username, cause you've driven this one into the ground.

You can't begin to imagine how broad it makes me smile knowing I frustrate you like this.

Whatever gets your rocks off, guy. Have fun being an innernet doosh.

Why do I continue to be amazed that when Democrats are presented an opportunity to debate a political issue, they turn to name calling instead.I think the responses I get in here really speak for themselves in this regard. Democrats, instead of arguing the point intelligently, resort to slurring the messenger.

I'm continually amazed at your amazement regarding how people receive and reply to your messages.

 

[kaa]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

It's amazing how bad this shtick is. And I know you're thinking "that's the greatness of my shtick, that nobody gets how over-the-top I am." No, I get it. And after months and months, it's just awful. Know when to quit. I don't think any regular board member reads anything you type with any shred of seriousness. Might as well buy your next 4-digit username, cause you've driven this one into the ground.

You can't begin to imagine how broad it makes me smile knowing I frustrate you like this.

Whatever gets your rocks off, guy. Have fun being an innernet doosh.

Why do I continue to be amazed that when Democrats are presented an opportunity to debate a political issue, they turn to name calling instead.I think the responses I get in here really speak for themselves in this regard. Democrats, instead of arguing the point intelligently, resort to slurring the messenger.

I'm continually amazed at your amazement regarding how people receive and reply to your messages.

I don't have a problem with stratorama. He has a view and speaks his mind. I don't care for the people that launch personal attacks at him. That adds nothing to the discussion.

 

[adonis]

Obama "mistress" scandal?

Your world must be a sad and lonely place.

nah, i bet him and BGPaiMei have a wicked WoW room. You know, in the basement of their parents houses where they live

It's amazing how quickly Democrats resort to name-calling in a political discussion rather than a serious, honest debate.

It's amazing how bad this shtick is. And I know you're thinking "that's the greatness of my shtick, that nobody gets how over-the-top I am." No, I get it. And after months and months, it's just awful. Know when to quit. I don't think any regular board member reads anything you type with any shred of seriousness. Might as well buy your next 4-digit username, cause you've driven this one into the ground.

You can't begin to imagine how broad it makes me smile knowing I frustrate you like this.

Whatever gets your rocks off, guy. Have fun being an innernet doosh.

Why do I continue to be amazed that when Democrats are presented an opportunity to debate a political issue, they turn to name calling instead.I think the responses I get in here really speak for themselves in this regard. Democrats, instead of arguing the point intelligently, resort to slurring the messenger.

I'm continually amazed at your amazement regarding how people receive and reply to your messages.

I don't have a problem with stratorama. He has a view and speaks his mind. I don't care for the people that launch personal attacks at him. That adds nothing to the discussion.

Just because you make posts, or even quote articles, doesn't necessarily mean you add anything of substance to the discussion. Stat sometimes adds interesting things, but more often than not, especially lately, he hasn't been adding much of substance.Obama's Mistress? Seriously?

 

[JZilla]

I finally had to bite the bullet and toss Stat onto my ignore list until the election's over. Some of us would appreciate if everyone would stop quoting him now. The shtick has been pulverized to dust.

Sad when a fine poster goes full-on unreadable.

 

[krista4]

I finally had to bite the bullet and toss Stat onto my ignore list until the election's over. Some of us would appreciate if everyone would stop quoting him now. The shtick has been pulverized to dust.Sad when a fine poster goes full-on unreadable.

 

[Fennis]

I finally had to bite the bullet and toss Stat onto my ignore list until the election's over. Some of us would appreciate if everyone would stop quoting him now. The shtick has been pulverized to dust.Sad when a fine poster goes full-on unreadable.

I never understood putting someone on ignore. Until now.

 

[kaa]

I don't have a problem with stratorama. He has a view and speaks his mind. I don't care for the people that launch personal attacks at him. That adds nothing to the discussion.

Just because you make posts, or even quote articles, doesn't necessarily mean you add anything of substance to the discussion. Stat sometimes adds interesting things, but more often than not, especially lately, he hasn't been adding much of substance.Obama's Mistress? Seriously?

That's kind of ironic coming from you. For quite a while there you yourself were being attacked by posters for not adding anything of substance and being just a cheerleader for Obama. I wasn't one of them. Show some courtesy to others on that front.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I finally had to bite the bullet and toss Stat onto my ignore list until the election's over. Some of us would appreciate if everyone would stop quoting him now. The shtick has been pulverized to dust.

Sad when a fine poster goes full-on unreadable.

 

[adonis]

I don't have a problem with stratorama. He has a view and speaks his mind. I don't care for the people that launch personal attacks at him. That adds nothing to the discussion.

Just because you make posts, or even quote articles, doesn't necessarily mean you add anything of substance to the discussion. Stat sometimes adds interesting things, but more often than not, especially lately, he hasn't been adding much of substance.Obama's Mistress? Seriously?

That's kind of ironic coming from you. For quite a while there you yourself were being attacked by posters for not adding anything of substance and being just a cheerleader for Obama. I wasn't one of them. Show some courtesy to others on that front.

If you consider what I was doing the same as what Stat is doing, I can easily dismiss your opinion of what I should or shouldn't do.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

ETA: post deleted as to not promote the KAA and Stat propaganda show

This coming from the kid who posts any and EVERY wild innerweb rumor about Obama.If you were actually interested in political debate, you would bring up issues and policy. Instead your only goals are to stir up the left by promoting bold face lies and pumping up your post total. Dont worry, once the election is over, you can go back to being the guy every one ignores in social situations.

 

[fluorescent walkway]

Obama breaks through the 50% barrier.