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[NorvilleBarnes]

Please compare and contrast

 

[Marc Levin]

As a Republican who's fully BLAH about our candidates now that Fred T. dropped out (I'm not really sure why he ran in the first place), I've been watching the Dem nomination process. The more I hear Obama speak the more I think I could be one of the Obamacans this fall. I think I'll take some tax hikes and a real person in the White House over the status quo that is running against him on both sides of the aisle.This really is fascinating stuff we're seeing.

A real republican(fiscal conservative) would never support a Dem.

Yet, a real fiscal conservative would never support Bush - quite a conundrum for you in '04. I guess you voted for the Green party in that election.

 

[urbanhack]

Leaving shortly for my first ***OFFICIAL*** campaign organizational meeting.Will report back on the happenings and the hotties. I need to find me an ObamaGirl.

Go gettem tiger!!

 

[Marc Levin]

After watching the results show on CNN last night, I have a question. Do you guys think it's wise for Obama to be ripping on the "status quo" of our government? While I agree absolutely with what he is saying about the "same old same old", it's becoming clear to me that this could end up a situation where super delegates decide this thing. The people would vote for one person and the super delegates the other etc. Will those super delegates automatically side with Hillary because they are part of the "status quo" or will they actually stand up and do what is right and vote for the person the people are voting for? This is a bit of a concern for me.

I think most of the undecided Super Delegates will back who they think is the winning horse in the race. They want to win in November, first and foremost.

This is what i am hopeful of, but I don't underestimate the power of "the good ole boy" network in Washington and it has me a bit on edge.

The superdelegates will go to the money and to their electorate - they go where their bread is buttered (the money in the democratic party). That money has been flowing to Obama.Ergo, the Dem superdelegates will be flocking to Obama . . .

 

[Marc Levin]

On NPR they said that even if he won 60% of all remaining delegates he still would not have enough to guarantee the nomination.

They have no clue - they do not know how the superdelegates will go.But, a strong lead in pledged delegates combined with the declarations of the superdelegates to vote as their constituency voted, is sufficient to clinch the nomination. Even if the "clinch" is Hilary surrendering.

 

[Gopher State]

I found it interesting on CNN last night they stated that if Obama wins every state that is left to vote, by a 55 to 45 average victory margin, he still would not have enough delegates to win.

I think this comes down to a real dog fight at the convention, with traditional dems going Hillary and the new dems going to Obama

I just hope the dems make up after they pick the winner, because McCain at times acts like a Dem and could pick up some uphappy dem's in the general.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Leaving shortly for my first ***OFFICIAL*** campaign organizational meeting.

Will report back on the happenings and the hotties. I need to find me an ObamaGirl.

I look forward to your report. I am sure once they hear you are from the FBG FFA you will immediately be put in a position of power.

Holy crap, I'm now Obama's Chief of Staff and Asian Hottie Administrator.Okay now this was just an event for volunteers, the email went out notifying us on Monday evening, and there were easily over 400 people there. Three of the local TV stations were there as well...kinda pissed I didn't get interviewed. Anyway, when the local State Rep got up and did a little cheerleading, he had us give a show of hands of how many people had never volunteered to work on a campaign before. At least 75% of the people raised their hands. Pretty awesome.

Anyway, I signed up as my local Get Out the Vote Captain...unfortunately no badge or real authority. But I get to knock on doors and make phone calls and annoy people on election day making sure they voted.

And in the hottie category, I actually saw a girl who is a friend of a friend and whose digits I got last fall. I didn't say anything, but I know she lives in my neighborhood so I'm thinking we might be working together over the next few weeks. And if The West Wing has taught us anything, it's that when two people with opposing funparts are working on a political campaign together, the only possible result is

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Leaving shortly for my first ***OFFICIAL*** campaign organizational meeting.

Will report back on the happenings and the hotties. I need to find me an ObamaGirl.

I look forward to your report. I am sure once they hear you are from the FBG FFA you will immediately be put in a position of power.

Holy crap, I'm now Obama's Chief of Staff and Asian Hottie Administrator.Okay now this was just an event for volunteers, the email went out notifying us on Monday evening, and there were easily over 400 people there. Three of the local TV stations were there as well...kinda pissed I didn't get interviewed. Anyway, when the local State Rep got up and did a little cheerleading, he had us give a show of hands of how many people had never volunteered to work on a campaign before. At least 75% of the people raised their hands. Pretty awesome.

Anyway, I signed up as my local Get Out the Vote Captain...unfortunately no badge or real authority. But I get to knock on doors and make phone calls and annoy people on election day making sure they voted.

And in the hottie category, I actually saw a girl who is a friend of a friend and whose digits I got last fall. I didn't say anything, but I know she lives in my neighborhood so I'm thinking we might be working together over the next few weeks. And if The West Wing has taught us anything, it's that when two people with opposing funparts are working on a political campaign together, the only possible result is

There is NOTHING false about HOPE!

 

[NCCommish]

Leaving shortly for my first ***OFFICIAL*** campaign organizational meeting.

Will report back on the happenings and the hotties. I need to find me an ObamaGirl.

I look forward to your report. I am sure once they hear you are from the FBG FFA you will immediately be put in a position of power.

Holy crap, I'm now Obama's Chief of Staff and Asian Hottie Administrator.Okay now this was just an event for volunteers, the email went out notifying us on Monday evening, and there were easily over 400 people there. Three of the local TV stations were there as well...kinda pissed I didn't get interviewed. Anyway, when the local State Rep got up and did a little cheerleading, he had us give a show of hands of how many people had never volunteered to work on a campaign before. At least 75% of the people raised their hands. Pretty awesome.

Anyway, I signed up as my local Get Out the Vote Captain...unfortunately no badge or real authority. But I get to knock on doors and make phone calls and annoy people on election day making sure they voted.

And in the hottie category, I actually saw a girl who is a friend of a friend and whose digits I got last fall. I didn't say anything, but I know she lives in my neighborhood so I'm thinking we might be working together over the next few weeks. And if The West Wing has taught us anything, it's that when two people with opposing funparts are working on a political campaign together, the only possible result is

An officer right off the bat? I am so proud.Seriously good job on getting involved.

 

[urbanhack]

Leaving shortly for my first ***OFFICIAL*** campaign organizational meeting.

Will report back on the happenings and the hotties. I need to find me an ObamaGirl.

I look forward to your report. I am sure once they hear you are from the FBG FFA you will immediately be put in a position of power.

Holy crap, I'm now Obama's Chief of Staff and Asian Hottie Administrator.Okay now this was just an event for volunteers, the email went out notifying us on Monday evening, and there were easily over 400 people there. Three of the local TV stations were there as well...kinda pissed I didn't get interviewed. Anyway, when the local State Rep got up and did a little cheerleading, he had us give a show of hands of how many people had never volunteered to work on a campaign before. At least 75% of the people raised their hands. Pretty awesome.

Anyway, I signed up as my local Get Out the Vote Captain...unfortunately no badge or real authority. But I get to knock on doors and make phone calls and annoy people on election day making sure they voted.

And in the hottie category, I actually saw a girl who is a friend of a friend and whose digits I got last fall. I didn't say anything, but I know she lives in my neighborhood so I'm thinking we might be working together over the next few weeks. And if The West Wing has taught us anything, it's that when two people with opposing funparts are working on a political campaign together, the only possible result is

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Leaving shortly for my first ***OFFICIAL*** campaign organizational meeting.Will report back on the happenings and the hotties. I need to find me an ObamaGirl.

I don't want to put any undue pressure on you Homer, but you and cuddles are now carrying the fate of the United States and perhaps Western Civilization in your hands. Don't let us down.

Oh boy. No punching Hillary supporters then?

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Leaving shortly for my first ***OFFICIAL*** campaign organizational meeting.

Will report back on the happenings and the hotties. I need to find me an ObamaGirl.

I look forward to your report. I am sure once they hear you are from the FBG FFA you will immediately be put in a position of power.

Holy crap, I'm now Obama's Chief of Staff and Asian Hottie Administrator.Okay now this was just an event for volunteers, the email went out notifying us on Monday evening, and there were easily over 400 people there. Three of the local TV stations were there as well...kinda pissed I didn't get interviewed. Anyway, when the local State Rep got up and did a little cheerleading, he had us give a show of hands of how many people had never volunteered to work on a campaign before. At least 75% of the people raised their hands. Pretty awesome.

Anyway, I signed up as my local Get Out the Vote Captain...unfortunately no badge or real authority. But I get to knock on doors and make phone calls and annoy people on election day making sure they voted.

And in the hottie category, I actually saw a girl who is a friend of a friend and whose digits I got last fall. I didn't say anything, but I know she lives in my neighborhood so I'm thinking we might be working together over the next few weeks. And if The West Wing has taught us anything, it's that when two people with opposing funparts are working on a political campaign together, the only possible result is

There is NOTHING false about HOPE!

 

[Futility]

Leaving shortly for my first ***OFFICIAL*** campaign organizational meeting.

Will report back on the happenings and the hotties. I need to find me an ObamaGirl.

I look forward to your report. I am sure once they hear you are from the FBG FFA you will immediately be put in a position of power.

Holy crap, I'm now Obama's Chief of Staff and Asian Hottie Administrator.Okay now this was just an event for volunteers, the email went out notifying us on Monday evening, and there were easily over 400 people there. Three of the local TV stations were there as well...kinda pissed I didn't get interviewed. Anyway, when the local State Rep got up and did a little cheerleading, he had us give a show of hands of how many people had never volunteered to work on a campaign before. At least 75% of the people raised their hands. Pretty awesome.

Anyway, I signed up as my local Get Out the Vote Captain...unfortunately no badge or real authority. But I get to knock on doors and make phone calls and annoy people on election day making sure they voted.

And in the hottie category, I actually saw a girl who is a friend of a friend and whose digits I got last fall. I didn't say anything, but I know she lives in my neighborhood so I'm thinking we might be working together over the next few weeks. And if The West Wing has taught us anything, it's that when two people with opposing funparts are working on a political campaign together, the only possible result is

I read about this somewhere. Something like 400+ people showed and they only had 120 chairs set up in the building.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

Leaving shortly for my first ***OFFICIAL*** campaign organizational meeting.

Will report back on the happenings and the hotties. I need to find me an ObamaGirl.

I don't want to put any undue pressure on you Homer, but you and cuddles are now carrying the fate of the United States and perhaps Western Civilization in your hands. Don't let us down.

Oh boy. No punching Hillary supporters then?

I would actually encourage this behavior! Also, see if they are amenable to switching the campaign themes of Change and Hope to:I WILL BURN #### DOWN!!!

 

[Marc Levin]

Obama's campaign manager has basically called this thing:

Plouffe: She can't catch us

His comments rest on the idea that the superdelegates should vote according to the will of the people (pledged delegate count), not just their personal preferences. If this is done, then he's right. If not, it's still in the air. Regardless, I don't see much benefit from making that public.ETA: Actually, the only benefit I see is trying to suggest to those closet Obama supporters that it's safe to come out of the closet, come out from the woods, and stand up for Obama - show your support. Maybe this move was more to encourage those who don't want to back the wrong horse, than to speak to the american people. If you can establish some sense of inevitability for your candidate, it might turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy if you get other people on board too who step up and affirm it, like maybe, Bill Richardson, or say, John Edwards? Next couple of weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to hear from one of them.

I predict that, before the March 4 vote in Tx and Ohio, that there will be some prominent Dems asking Hilary to surrender her campaign for the good of the party.

 

[Marc Levin]

mccain cannot draw in moderates and independents with clear connections to the current president.

Moderates, Independents, and cross over Democrats are the main people McCain is drawing.

Hmm, that's kind of funny because Obama is also drawing moderates and independents.Not disagreeing that McCain can draw the middle, just yhat Obama is also drawing independents - the one failing to draw independents is Hilary. That should say a decent amount about her viability as a nat'l candidate.I'm just glad that we are guaranteed virtually no political influence in this campaign from the so-called far right. They are as irrelevant to this process as the far left was in '04.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Leaving shortly for my first ***OFFICIAL*** campaign organizational meeting.

Will report back on the happenings and the hotties. I need to find me an ObamaGirl.

I don't want to put any undue pressure on you Homer, but you and cuddles are now carrying the fate of the United States and perhaps Western Civilization in your hands. Don't let us down.

Oh boy. No punching Hillary supporters then?

I would actually encourage this behavior! Also, see if they are amenable to switching the campaign themes of Change and Hope to:I WILL BURN #### DOWN!!!

I'll ask Barack at our next meeting. I think I can sell it.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Obama's campaign manager has basically called this thing:

Plouffe: She can't catch us

His comments rest on the idea that the superdelegates should vote according to the will of the people (pledged delegate count), not just their personal preferences. If this is done, then he's right. If not, it's still in the air. Regardless, I don't see much benefit from making that public.ETA: Actually, the only benefit I see is trying to suggest to those closet Obama supporters that it's safe to come out of the closet, come out from the woods, and stand up for Obama - show your support. Maybe this move was more to encourage those who don't want to back the wrong horse, than to speak to the american people. If you can establish some sense of inevitability for your candidate, it might turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy if you get other people on board too who step up and affirm it, like maybe, Bill Richardson, or say, John Edwards? Next couple of weeks, I wouldn't be surprised to hear from one of them.

I predict that, before the March 4 vote in Tx and Ohio, that there will be some prominent Dems asking Hilary to surrender her campaign for the good of the party.

I think she's out after the 4th. No way this thing goes to Pennsylvania.

 

[Marc Levin]

Leaving shortly for my first ***OFFICIAL*** campaign organizational meeting.

Will report back on the happenings and the hotties. I need to find me an ObamaGirl.

I look forward to your report. I am sure once they hear you are from the FBG FFA you will immediately be put in a position of power.

Holy crap, I'm now Obama's Chief of Staff and Asian Hottie Administrator.Okay now this was just an event for volunteers, the email went out notifying us on Monday evening, and there were easily over 400 people there. Three of the local TV stations were there as well...kinda pissed I didn't get interviewed. Anyway, when the local State Rep got up and did a little cheerleading, he had us give a show of hands of how many people had never volunteered to work on a campaign before. At least 75% of the people raised their hands. Pretty awesome.

Anyway, I signed up as my local Get Out the Vote Captain...unfortunately no badge or real authority. But I get to knock on doors and make phone calls and annoy people on election day making sure they voted.

And in the hottie category, I actually saw a girl who is a friend of a friend and whose digits I got last fall. I didn't say anything, but I know she lives in my neighborhood so I'm thinking we might be working together over the next few weeks. And if The West Wing has taught us anything, it's that when two people with opposing funparts are working on a political campaign together, the only possible result is

Obamass - awesome!As the get out the vote captain, we expect tons of of all the hotties on your route.

 

[Spiderman]

mccain cannot draw in moderates and independents with clear connections to the current president.

Moderates, Independents, and cross over Democrats are the main people McCain is drawing.

Hmm, that's kind of funny because Obama is also drawing moderates and independents.Not disagreeing that McCain can draw the middle, just yhat Obama is also drawing independents - the one failing to draw independents is Hilary. That should say a decent amount about her viability as a nat'l candidate.I'm just glad that we are guaranteed virtually no political influence in this campaign from the so-called far right. They are as irrelevant to this process as the far left was in '04.

Karl Rove had some stat last night saying that McCain is drawing more Democrats to his campaign than Obama is Republicans. Not sure where he was getting his numbers from.....

 

[Marc Levin]

mccain cannot draw in moderates and independents with clear connections to the current president.

Moderates, Independents, and cross over Democrats are the main people McCain is drawing.

Hmm, that's kind of funny because Obama is also drawing moderates and independents.Not disagreeing that McCain can draw the middle, just yhat Obama is also drawing independents - the one failing to draw independents is Hilary. That should say a decent amount about her viability as a nat'l candidate.I'm just glad that we are guaranteed virtually no political influence in this campaign from the so-called far right. They are as irrelevant to this process as the far left was in '04.

Karl Rove had some stat last night saying that McCain is drawing more Democrats to his campaign than Obama is Republicans. Not sure where he was getting his numbers from.....

From his enlarged prostate.He's Karl Rove and I don't believe that a single word coming out of his mouth is non-partisan.ETA - yes, I know what he does now.

 

[Spiderman]

mccain cannot draw in moderates and independents with clear connections to the current president.

Moderates, Independents, and cross over Democrats are the main people McCain is drawing.

Hmm, that's kind of funny because Obama is also drawing moderates and independents.Not disagreeing that McCain can draw the middle, just yhat Obama is also drawing independents - the one failing to draw independents is Hilary. That should say a decent amount about her viability as a nat'l candidate.I'm just glad that we are guaranteed virtually no political influence in this campaign from the so-called far right. They are as irrelevant to this process as the far left was in '04.

Karl Rove had some stat last night saying that McCain is drawing more Democrats to his campaign than Obama is Republicans. Not sure where he was getting his numbers from.....

From his enlarged prostate.He's Karl Rove and I don't believe that a single word coming out of his mouth is non-partisan.

I figure that's the reaction I'd get from posting something that he said, but he is really quite a compelling analyst.

 

[The Juggernaut]

mccain cannot draw in moderates and independents with clear connections to the current president.

Moderates, Independents, and cross over Democrats are the main people McCain is drawing.

Hmm, that's kind of funny because Obama is also drawing moderates and independents.Not disagreeing that McCain can draw the middle, just yhat Obama is also drawing independents - the one failing to draw independents is Hilary. That should say a decent amount about her viability as a nat'l candidate.I'm just glad that we are guaranteed virtually no political influence in this campaign from the so-called far right. They are as irrelevant to this process as the far left was in '04.

Karl Rove had some stat last night saying that McCain is drawing more Democrats to his campaign than Obama is Republicans. Not sure where he was getting his numbers from.....

That's ok. The Dems are outdrawing the R's by 2-1 overall.

 

[Arsenal of Doom]

mccain cannot draw in moderates and independents with clear connections to the current president.

Moderates, Independents, and cross over Democrats are the main people McCain is drawing.

Hmm, that's kind of funny because Obama is also drawing moderates and independents.Not disagreeing that McCain can draw the middle, just yhat Obama is also drawing independents - the one failing to draw independents is Hilary. That should say a decent amount about her viability as a nat'l candidate.I'm just glad that we are guaranteed virtually no political influence in this campaign from the so-called far right. They are as irrelevant to this process as the far left was in '04.

Karl Rove had some stat last night saying that McCain is drawing more Democrats to his campaign than Obama is Republicans. Not sure where he was getting his numbers from.....

I find that a little difficult to believe just considering the overwhelming number of voters that are showing up for the Democrats primaries compared to the Republicans. In the CNN exit polls for Virgina yesterday they are showing the 7% of the voters on the Dem side identified themselves as Republicans (72% of which voted for Obama) and only 3% on the Rep side were Democrats. If I have time later I'll try to go through some other open primary exit polls.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

anyone know the number of delegates Edwards has off the top of their head? Sorry I am an i-diot.

26

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I think she's out after the 4th. No way this thing goes to Pennsylvania.

If she wins Texas and Ohio, there is no way she will leave after the 4th, even if she still does not lead in pledged delegates. Obama needs to deliver a knockout punch by beating her in one of the those two states. Hillary will not give up easy, and I could definitely see her extending this out to Pennsylvania. This was supposed to be her nomination.

 

[urbanhack]

I think she's out after the 4th. No way this thing goes to Pennsylvania.

If she wins Texas and Ohio, there is no way she will leave after the 4th, even if she still does not lead in pledged delegates. Obama needs to deliver a knockout punch by beating her in one of the those two states. Hillary will not give up easy, and I could definitely see her extending this out to Pennsylvania. This was supposed to be her nomination.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I think she's out after the 4th. No way this thing goes to Pennsylvania.

If she wins Texas and Ohio, there is no way she will leave after the 4th, even if she still does not lead in pledged delegates. Obama needs to deliver a knockout punch by beating her in one of the those two states. Hillary will not give up easy, and I could definitely see her extending this out to Pennsylvania. This was supposed to be her nomination.

Are you whizzin on my optimism?I'm going on the theory that she'll either lose one of them, or win both by a few points but lose some Texas delegates anyway.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I think she's out after the 4th. No way this thing goes to Pennsylvania.

If she wins Texas and Ohio, there is no way she will leave after the 4th, even if she still does not lead in pledged delegates. Obama needs to deliver a knockout punch by beating her in one of the those two states. Hillary will not give up easy, and I could definitely see her extending this out to Pennsylvania. This was supposed to be her nomination.

I seem to have come down with a case of Obamamania.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Are you whizzin on my optimism?I'm going on the theory that she'll either lose one of them, or win both by a few points but lose some Texas delegates anyway.

I'm confident that you can singlehandedly bring Ohio to Obama. Rig some voting booths if you have to. But if you somehow fail, she ain't leaving the race after winning 2 big states.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Has anybody been using the pun of "Obama-nation" = "abomination"? Seems like it's just begging to get some play, but I haven't seen it yet.

 

[Marc Levin]

I think she's out after the 4th. No way this thing goes to Pennsylvania.

If she wins Texas and Ohio, there is no way she will leave after the 4th, even if she still does not lead in pledged delegates. Obama needs to deliver a knockout punch by beating her in one of the those two states. Hillary will not give up easy, and I could definitely see her extending this out to Pennsylvania. This was supposed to be her nomination.

Are you whizzin on my optimism?I'm going on the theory that she'll either lose one of them, or win both by a few points but lose some Texas delegates anyway.

In both Tx and Oh - in all the states actually - the Dems divide their delegates proportionally.For the last time in this thread, though I'm sure I'll have to say it a few more times in other threads, if Obama hangs within 7 points or so of Hilary in Tx, and he takes the population centers, Tx will produce nearly equal number of delegates for each delegate. Similar situation in Ohio.Consequently, Hilary must take nearly ALL the delegates from those two states for her campaign to survive that night. Coming out of Tx and Oh with 20 mre delegates than Obama won't help her campaign.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

In both Tx and Oh - in all the states actually - the Dems divide their delegates proportionally.For the last time in this thread, though I'm sure I'll have to say it a few more times in other threads, if Obama hangs within 7 points or so of Hilary in Tx, and he takes the population centers, Tx will produce nearly equal number of delegates for each delegate. Similar situation in Ohio.Consequently, Hilary must take nearly ALL the delegates from those two states for her campaign to survive that night. Coming out of Tx and Oh with 20 mre delegates than Obama won't help her campaign.

I'm fully aware of the delegate situation, and the likelihood that she will gain little ground in pledged delegates on March 4th. But again, if she wins the popular vote in both states, there is no way in hell that she will then remove herself from the race before Pennsylvania. You are underestimating her tenacity if you think otherwise.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

I think she's out after the 4th. No way this thing goes to Pennsylvania.

If she wins Texas and Ohio, there is no way she will leave after the 4th, even if she still does not lead in pledged delegates. Obama needs to deliver a knockout punch by beating her in one of the those two states. Hillary will not give up easy, and I could definitely see her extending this out to Pennsylvania. This was supposed to be her nomination.

Are you whizzin on my optimism?I'm going on the theory that she'll either lose one of them, or win both by a few points but lose some Texas delegates anyway.

In both Tx and Oh - in all the states actually - the Dems divide their delegates proportionally.For the last time in this thread, though I'm sure I'll have to say it a few more times in other threads, if Obama hangs within 7 points or so of Hilary in Tx, and he takes the population centers, Tx will produce nearly equal number of delegates for each delegate. Similar situation in Ohio.Consequently, Hilary must take nearly ALL the delegates from those two states for her campaign to survive that night. Coming out of Tx and Oh with 20 mre delegates than Obama won't help her campaign.

That's what I meant. She can win both and still not gain any real ground.

 

[Sweet J]

In both Tx and Oh - in all the states actually - the Dems divide their delegates proportionally.For the last time in this thread, though I'm sure I'll have to say it a few more times in other threads, if Obama hangs within 7 points or so of Hilary in Tx, and he takes the population centers, Tx will produce nearly equal number of delegates for each delegate. Similar situation in Ohio.Consequently, Hilary must take nearly ALL the delegates from those two states for her campaign to survive that night. Coming out of Tx and Oh with 20 mre delegates than Obama won't help her campaign.

I'm fully aware of the delegate situation, and the likelihood that she will gain little ground in pledged delegates on March 4th. But again, if she wins the popular vote in both states, there is no way in hell that she will then remove herself from the race before Pennsylvania. You are underestimating her tenacity if you think otherwise.

Agreed. If she can go into the convention with the popular vote, she's going all the way. If she can go into the convention tied or within 100 superdelegates (who haven't defected) she's going all the way.If she can go into the convention in a situation where she would be winning if FL and MI were counted, she's going all the way.

 

[culdeus]

I've arranged child care for the 4th. Wife and I are going to go to the post primary thing. If worse comes to worse I want to be prepared with a speech who knows if it will make a bit of difference, but if I can swing my precinct 3:1 to obama from 2:2 #######it I'll try.

 

[The Juggernaut]

anyone know the number of delegates Edwards has off the top of their head? Sorry I am an i-diot.

26

In a row!?!?!?!?!?

 

[Orange Crush]

Has anybody been using the pun of "Obama-nation" = "abomination"? Seems like it's just begging to get some play, but I haven't seen it yet.

I first heard it over a year ago. But haven't really since.

 

[ren hoek]

Thought Obama fans might enjoy this:

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/im...sbeforeHoes.png

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I think she's out after the 4th. No way this thing goes to Pennsylvania.

If she wins Texas and Ohio, there is no way she will leave after the 4th, even if she still does not lead in pledged delegates. Obama needs to deliver a knockout punch by beating her in one of the those two states. Hillary will not give up easy, and I could definitely see her extending this out to Pennsylvania. This was supposed to be her nomination.

NO WAY IN HELL does Hillary bow out gracefully under any circumstances. Even if she loses everything she gains delegates because they're not winner-take-all. In her mind she's won MI and FL and is WAY ahead in the delegate and superdelegate count. I'll be more than happy to admit I'm wrong but I just do not see any graceful exit from her.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I think she's out after the 4th. No way this thing goes to Pennsylvania.

If she wins Texas and Ohio, there is no way she will leave after the 4th, even if she still does not lead in pledged delegates. Obama needs to deliver a knockout punch by beating her in one of the those two states. Hillary will not give up easy, and I could definitely see her extending this out to Pennsylvania. This was supposed to be her nomination.

NO WAY IN HELL does Hillary bow out gracefully under any circumstances. Even if she loses everything she gains delegates because they're not winner-take-all. In her mind she's won MI and FL and is WAY ahead in the delegate and superdelegate count. I'll be more than happy to admit I'm wrong but I just do not see any graceful exit from her.

Agreed.

 

[Kumerica]

Thought Obama fans might enjoy this:

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/im...sbeforeHoes.png

Classic.

 

[skol asylum]

Please compare and contrast

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

 

[Orange Crush]

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politi...ton_counts.html

Hillary Clinton will take the Democratic nomination even if she does not win the popular vote, but persuades enough superdelegates to vote for her at the convention, her campaign advisers say.

The New York senator, who lost three primaries Tuesday night, now lags slightly behind her rival, Illinois Senator Barack Obama, in the delegate count. She is even further behind in "pledged'' delegates, those assigned by virtue of primaries and caucuses.

But Clinton will not concede the race to Obama if he wins a greater number of pledged delegates by the end of the primary season, and will count on the 796 elected officials and party bigwigs to put her over the top, if necessary, said Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson.

"I want to be clear about the fact that neither campaign is in a position to win this nomination without the support of the votes of the superdelegates,'' Wolfson told reporters in a conference call.

"We don't make distinctions between delegates chosen by million of voters in a primary and those chosen between tens of thousands in caucuses,'' Wolfson said. "And we don't make distinctions when it comes to elected officials'' who vote as superdelegates at the convention.

"We are interested in acquiring delegates, period,'' he added.

Personal ambition over party and country - the Clinton Way.

 

[skol asylum]

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politi...ton_counts.html

Hillary Clinton will take the Democratic nomination even if she does not win the popular vote, but persuades enough superdelegates to vote for her at the convention, her campaign advisers say.

The New York senator, who lost three primaries Tuesday night, now lags slightly behind her rival, Illinois Senator Barack Obama, in the delegate count. She is even further behind in "pledged'' delegates, those assigned by virtue of primaries and caucuses.

But Clinton will not concede the race to Obama if he wins a greater number of pledged delegates by the end of the primary season, and will count on the 796 elected officials and party bigwigs to put her over the top, if necessary, said Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson.

"I want to be clear about the fact that neither campaign is in a position to win this nomination without the support of the votes of the superdelegates,'' Wolfson told reporters in a conference call.

"We don't make distinctions between delegates chosen by million of voters in a primary and those chosen between tens of thousands in caucuses,'' Wolfson said. "And we don't make distinctions when it comes to elected officials'' who vote as superdelegates at the convention.

"We are interested in acquiring delegates, period,'' he added.

Personal ambition over party and country - the Clinton Way.

I would now like to sign up with that other guy and formally declare:I WILL BURN SH#$#@*()T DOWN!!!

 

[urbanhack]

If there is a huge disparity in the super delegates with Clinton winning, there is going to be political outrage like we haven't seen in a long time.

:goodtimes:

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I will set things on fire!

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

If there is a huge disparity in the super delegates with Clinton winning, there is going to be political outrage like we haven't seen in a long time. :goodtimes:

A part of me is kinda hoping for this.

 

[snitwitch]

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politi...ton_counts.html

Hillary Clinton will take the Democratic nomination even if she does not win the popular vote, but persuades enough superdelegates to vote for her at the convention, her campaign advisers say.

The New York senator, who lost three primaries Tuesday night, now lags slightly behind her rival, Illinois Senator Barack Obama, in the delegate count. She is even further behind in "pledged'' delegates, those assigned by virtue of primaries and caucuses.

But Clinton will not concede the race to Obama if he wins a greater number of pledged delegates by the end of the primary season, and will count on the 796 elected officials and party bigwigs to put her over the top, if necessary, said Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson.

"I want to be clear about the fact that neither campaign is in a position to win this nomination without the support of the votes of the superdelegates,'' Wolfson told reporters in a conference call.

"We don't make distinctions between delegates chosen by million of voters in a primary and those chosen between tens of thousands in caucuses,'' Wolfson said. "And we don't make distinctions when it comes to elected officials'' who vote as superdelegates at the convention.

"We are interested in acquiring delegates, period,'' he added.

Personal ambition over party and country - the Clinton Way.

If they pursue this angle, it will backfire IMO.

 

[Homer J Simpson]

Sig updated.