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[Pai Mei]

And the damage done by Barack Obama's speech continues to come into focus.

http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content...n_election_2008

The Impact of Pastor Wright and THE SPEECH on Election 2008

Thursday, March 20, 2008

Two days after Barack Obama gave the most important speech of his life, it remains unclear what impact the controversy over Pastor Jeremiah Wright will have on the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. However, early data suggests that it has already had a negative impact on Obama’s chances of winning the general election against John McCain.

In the week before the media frenzy over Wright, Obama and McCain were essentially tied in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. Less than a week later, and two days after Obama’s speech, McCain had opened a seven-point lead over Obama. Significantly, by Thursday’s polling, McCain had pulled slightly ahead of Obama among unaffiliated voters.

He continues to fall in the polls after the speech. Obviously it hurt him. The key damage is that Obama continues to hemorrhage independent voters to McCain.

I don't know how in the world he can close a gap of 7 points over 7+ months. Clearly unpossible given his track record.

Actually there is no indication that Obama's numbers have stopped falling. John McCain's LARGEST lead over Obama in the general election was TODAY, March 21st, 2008, 49%-41%, at 8%. I'd say the public is still processing all the info and realizing what a fool Obama is. For all anyone knows, Obama's freefall may not stop until McCain holds a 16% lead over him.

Lots of polls out there all over the place. This one has a much larger sample size with McCain only up by 3%.Gallup Tracking 03/16 - 03/20 4377 RV 44 47 4 McCain +3.0

These are very likely more accuratehttp://rasmussenreports.com/public_content...atch_up_history

Here's a hint: none of them are accurate because the election is 8 freaking months away. This news cycle will be ancient history before we even get to the conventions, and by then there will be a whole new set of stories that will be driving these numbers up or down. What's happening in the economy and what's happening in Iraq will be far more significant than anything we are talking about right now, particularly since the candidates will have actual policy differences to discuss rather than who's minister has said more crazy ####.

Well the trick is that these polls usually are biased in favor of the democrat. Then you have classic "october swoon" where the republican often catches back up in the polls, which is really the pollsters getting the data correct so they don't look as bad as they might. For example, pollsters in late summer of 1984 had Walter Mondale defeating Reagan. Then they corrected to the right as usual and you actually had a landslide. As a rule of thumb I assume the average poll has about 5% of bias to the left in it. So if you quote a poll that says its 3, I'm looking at it as being more like 8, and here is a poll that has it at 8, so I like that poll that is at 8.

 

[skol asylum]

The new problem is that it is now impossible for Obama to win the White House in 2008. Once everyone has digested the "typical white woman" comment, he's done. That will be played and replayed and it is a simple task to essentially brand Obama as a racist going forward. I mean if you believe Kerry was "swift-boated", then this is a far easier job by comparison. But if the democrats install Hillary as the nominee, they'll have a riot on their hands. Ugly choices. I see McCain in a landslide victory in November.

As McCain recently said: Get a life.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

From Intrade.com -- chance to win the general election:

Obama - 46%

McCain - 41%

Clinton - 13%

 

[Pai Mei]

From Intrade.com -- chance to win the general election:Obama - 46%McCain - 41%Clinton - 13%

Gotta love the Clinton odds. She's got a much better chance than that.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

I see McCain in a landslide victory in November.

I'm shocked.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I see McCain in a landslide victory in November.

Let's hope not as that would put off the much coveted Republican supermajority that this country so desperately needs.

 

[adonis]

(Political Animal) OBAMA'S NOTICES....CBS News has an early poll showing that Barack Obama's speech about race and Jeremiah Wright was generally well received:

Sixty-nine percent of voters who have heard or read about Obama's speech say he did a good job addressing the issue of race relations, and 63 percent of voters following the events say they agree with Obama's views on race relations. Seventy-one percent say he did a good job explaining his relationship with Wright.

When registered voters were asked if Obama would unite the country, however, 52 percent said yes — down from 67 percent last month.

This is probably about as good as it could have been. There was never any chance of persuading the 30% of hardcore Fox viewers, after all, and this poll suggests that he got virtually unanimous support among everyone else.

As for fewer people thinking Obama can unite the country — well, that's just facing up to reality. He's a talented politician, but he's not the second coming. We Americans just disagree about a lot of stuff, and that's not likely to change anytime soon.

 

[adonis]

The new problem is that it is now impossible for Obama to win the White House in 2008. Once everyone has digested the "typical white woman" comment, he's done. That will be played and replayed and it is a simple task to essentially brand Obama as a racist going forward. I mean if you believe Kerry was "swift-boated", then this is a far easier job by comparison. But if the democrats install Hillary as the nominee, they'll have a riot on their hands. Ugly choices. I see McCain in a landslide victory in November.

People like yourself, typical hard core republicans, have been saying "Obama is done" since he started the race. "America isn't ready for a black man", "Hillary has too much of an advantage in the polls.", "He's sucking in the debates, it's over.", "The rezko thing will sink him", and on and on, and lately, the biggest challenge of all, the Wright controversy, he comes out and shows pretty strong political courage and leadership, and still you think he's going to sink because of three words.It's time to admit you've lost touch with reality here pai mei. Many will accuse me of this, but I'm not delusional enough to say that obama's a lock, or that mccain will certainly lose, or even confident enough to call hillary done yet. Pai Mei, reality...get to know each other again.

 

[My Hope Street Alias]

From Intrade.com -- chance to win the general election:Obama - 46%McCain - 41%Clinton - 13%

I think that McCain number is right on which is amazing if you think about it: unpopular war, weakening economy, strong links to an unpopular president, etc. If I had known he was going to be the nominee and you'd asked me his chances in December of 2007, I'd have put them at about 5-10%.

 

[Tigran Petrosian]

The new problem is that it is now impossible for Obama to win the White House in 2008. Once everyone has digested the "typical white woman" comment, he's done. That will be played and replayed and it is a simple task to essentially brand Obama as a racist going forward. I mean if you believe Kerry was "swift-boated", then this is a far easier job by comparison. But if the democrats install Hillary as the nominee, they'll have a riot on their hands. Ugly choices. I see McCain in a landslide victory in November.

How's Rudy looking in '08?

 

[skol asylum]

The new problem is that it is now impossible for Obama to win the White House in 2008. Once everyone has digested the "typical white woman" comment, he's done. That will be played and replayed and it is a simple task to essentially brand Obama as a racist going forward. I mean if you believe Kerry was "swift-boated", then this is a far easier job by comparison. But if the democrats install Hillary as the nominee, they'll have a riot on their hands. Ugly choices. I see McCain in a landslide victory in November.

How's Rudy looking in '08?

Probably looking at entering into more security contracts with countries that harbor terrorists.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Interesting read from Newsweek that starts out focused on Obama's desire to go by Barack instead of Barry. It actually goes into more depth however on specific experiences from his childhood and early adult life. Nothing groundbreaking or surprising, but it does provide some interesting details and can add to the understanding of what shaped Obama from early on in his life

 

[snitwitch]

The new problem is that it is now impossible for Obama to win the White House in 2008. Once everyone has digested the "typical white woman" comment, he's done. That will be played and replayed and it is a simple task to essentially brand Obama as a racist going forward. I mean if you believe Kerry was "swift-boated", then this is a far easier job by comparison. But if the democrats install Hillary as the nominee, they'll have a riot on their hands. Ugly choices.



I see McCain in a landslide victory in November.

Wanna bet?

 

[cobalt_27]

The new problem is that it is now impossible for Obama to win the White House in 2008. Once everyone has digested the "typical white woman" comment, he's done. That will be played and replayed and it is a simple task to essentially brand Obama as a racist going forward. I mean if you believe Kerry was "swift-boated", then this is a far easier job by comparison. But if the democrats install Hillary as the nominee, they'll have a riot on their hands. Ugly choices.

I see McCain in a landslide victory in November.

People like yourself, typical hard core republicans, have been saying "Obama is done" since he started the race. "America isn't ready for a black man", "Hillary has too much of an advantage in the polls.", "He's sucking in the debates, it's over.", "The rezko thing will sink him", and on and on, and lately, the biggest challenge of all, the Wright controversy, he comes out and shows pretty strong political courage and leadership, and still you think he's going to sink because of three words.

It's time to admit you've lost touch with reality here pai mei. Many will accuse me of this, but I'm not delusional enough to say that obama's a lock, or that mccain will certainly lose, or even confident enough to call hillary done yet. Pai Mei, reality...get to know each other again.

Again? That presupposes they ever knew each other in the first place.

 

[cobalt_27]

From Intrade.com -- chance to win the general election:Obama - 46%McCain - 41%Clinton - 13%

Gotta love the Clinton odds. She's got a much better chance than that.

Party insiders say she has, at best, a 10% chance of grabbing the democratic nomination. Have you been following this at all, or are you simply unaware of the math that's involved for her to pull this out.And, she has 0% chance against McCain, so...that 13% looks pretty generous to me.

 

[DPRugby]

So here is what's amazing. Obama gets the Richardson endorsement, which clearly helps him and of course the media immediately goes into spin mode to drum up some story about how great a Senator HRC was (link). It's like they are going to implode if someone wins this thing before the DNC. I'd almost say they are meddling.

Yea, I shouldn't be surprised but it just pisses me off.

 

[golddigger]

So here is what's amazing. Obama gets the Richardson endorsement, which clearly helps him and of course the media immediately goes into spin mode to drum up some story about how great a Senator HRC was (link). It's like they are going to implode if someone wins this thing before the DNC. I'd almost say they are meddling.

Yea, I shouldn't be surprised but it just pisses me off.

The media is in all out worship mode. The Obama speech was the supposedly the best speech since "I have a dream". Seriously.

 

[shining path]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October. I think the Dems have nuked their own chances, and McCain has enough distance from Bush in the minds of moderates and dissatisfieds that he should clean up the mess that HRC and Obama are making in the middle of the political spectrum.

Hope I'm wrong, of course.

 

[Spiderman]

So here is what's amazing. Obama gets the Richardson endorsement, which clearly helps him and of course the media immediately goes into spin mode to drum up some story about how great a Senator HRC was (link). It's like they are going to implode if someone wins this thing before the DNC. I'd almost say they are meddling.

Yea, I shouldn't be surprised but it just pisses me off.

The media is in all out worship mode. The Obama speech was the supposedly the best speech since "I have a dream". Seriously.

I still can't get over Chris Matthews reaction to it. NBC News has been ridiculous in their Obama coverage.

 

[cobalt_27]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October. I think the Dems have nuked their own chances, and McCain has enough distance from Bush in the minds of moderates and dissatisfieds that he should clean up the mess that HRC and Obama are making in the middle of the political spectrum.Hope I'm wrong, of course.

SP, voters have a very short attention span. Once Obama locks this up, it's a completely different race. Voters will hit F5 and start anew. Obama has much more range than McCain, who is nothing more than a one-trick pony. He is the equivalent to Jack Kemp, but instead of being fiscally appealing to voters, McCain has the foreign policy appeal. But, he's not going to draw from much more than that. He can't energize the deep religious base like past GOP candidates, and Obama will pluck a handful of tweener states, as a consequence. By contrast, Obama will appeal to the independents (like myself; although, to be fair, I'm more "conservative" than I am "independent") and draw even more in his corner.The distance we see now is very small (3% points) and is reactionary to the inconsequential pastor flap that will have no more relevance than the lint in my jeans pocket as we approach October/November. Not saying Obama wins for certain. Hardly the case. But, I don't think we can look at the snapshot of what it looks like now (which would be a dead heat between the two) and assess that it will be this way in 6 months, which is an eternity in this game. Remember, too...McCain was a disaster of a candidate the last time he ran, and the only reason he rose to the top this time is the even WORSE competition he faced this round.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October.

I agree, but that's only because McCain is a scary guy and should therefore peak around Halloween. Fortunately for the Dems, though, the election is actually held in November. Yes, I'm really that much of an #######.

 

[cobalt_27]

As an aside, someone clarify this for me...

BGP = PaiMei

Has this connection been established, yet?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

As an aside, someone clarify this for me...BGP = PaiMeiHas this connection been established, yet?

I also hear a rumor that Mr. Pickles has an alias afoot. Can anyone confirm this?

 

[shining path]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October.

I agree, but that's only because McCain is a scary guy and should therefore peak around Halloween. Fortunately for the Dems, though, the election is actually held in November. Yes, I'm really that much of an #######.

lol yikesedit - I blame BGP. Start agreeing with him and all kinds of crazed incoherence start pouring off your keyboard.

 

[cobalt_27]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October.

I agree, but that's only because McCain is a scary guy and should therefore peak around Halloween. Fortunately for the Dems, though, the election is actually held in November. Yes, I'm really that much of an #######.

lol yikesedit - I blame BGP. Start agreeing with him and all kinds of crazed incoherence start pouring off your keyboard.

He makes my eyes bleed, the nonsense that flows so fluidly off the page when he types.

 

[Pai Mei]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October.

I agree, but that's only because McCain is a scary guy and should therefore peak around Halloween. Fortunately for the Dems, though, the election is actually held in November. Yes, I'm really that much of an #######.

lol yikesedit - I blame BGP. Start agreeing with him and all kinds of crazed incoherence start pouring off your keyboard.

He makes my eyes bleed, the nonsense that flows so fluidly off the page when he types.

I'm actually a very likable fellow. And I refuse to obey demands that I march in goose-step with FFA "wisdom".

 

[Pai Mei]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October.

I agree, but that's only because McCain is a scary guy and should therefore peak around Halloween. Fortunately for the Dems, though, the election is actually held in November. Yes, I'm really that much of an #######.

lol yikesedit - I blame BGP. Start agreeing with him and all kinds of crazed incoherence start pouring off your keyboard.

Bah 90% of the "BGP stereotype" is drawn from people just not understanding something I said. I imagine only 10% is due to the fact that I spilled something on my keyboard when I typed it.

 

[cobalt_27]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October.

I agree, but that's only because McCain is a scary guy and should therefore peak around Halloween. Fortunately for the Dems, though, the election is actually held in November. Yes, I'm really that much of an #######.

lol yikesedit - I blame BGP. Start agreeing with him and all kinds of crazed incoherence start pouring off your keyboard.

He makes my eyes bleed, the nonsense that flows so fluidly off the page when he types.

I'm actually a very likable fellow. And I refuse to obey demands that I march in goose-step with FFA "wisdom".

I think everyone's fine with opposing POVs. It's the part about you not making any sense when you post that is so unfortunate.

 

[shining path]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October.

I agree, but that's only because McCain is a scary guy and should therefore peak around Halloween. Fortunately for the Dems, though, the election is actually held in November. Yes, I'm really that much of an #######.

lol yikesedit - I blame BGP. Start agreeing with him and all kinds of crazed incoherence start pouring off your keyboard.

Bah 90% of the "BGP stereotype" is drawn from people just not understanding something I said. I imagine only 10% is due to the fact that I spilled something on my keyboard when I typed it.

Yeah, that was a cheap shot on my part.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October. I think the Dems have nuked their own chances, and McCain has enough distance from Bush in the minds of moderates and dissatisfieds that he should clean up the mess that HRC and Obama are making in the middle of the political spectrum.Hope I'm wrong, of course.

SP, voters have a very short attention span. Once Obama locks this up, it's a completely different race. Voters will hit F5 and start anew. Obama has much more range than McCain, who is nothing more than a one-trick pony. He is the equivalent to Jack Kemp, but instead of being fiscally appealing to voters, McCain has the foreign policy appeal. But, he's not going to draw from much more than that. He can't energize the deep religious base like past GOP candidates, and Obama will pluck a handful of tweener states, as a consequence. By contrast, Obama will appeal to the independents (like myself; although, to be fair, I'm more "conservative" than I am "independent") and draw even more in his corner.The distance we see now is very small (3% points) and is reactionary to the inconsequential pastor flap that will have no more relevance than the lint in my jeans pocket as we approach October/November. Not saying Obama wins for certain. Hardly the case. But, I don't think we can look at the snapshot of what it looks like now (which would be a dead heat between the two) and assess that it will be this way in 6 months, which is an eternity in this game. Remember, too...McCain was a disaster of a candidate the last time he ran, and the only reason he rose to the top this time is the even WORSE competition he faced this round.

If you are truly a conservative, what would make you support Barack Obama?

 

[cobalt_27]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October. I think the Dems have nuked their own chances, and McCain has enough distance from Bush in the minds of moderates and dissatisfieds that he should clean up the mess that HRC and Obama are making in the middle of the political spectrum.Hope I'm wrong, of course.

SP, voters have a very short attention span. Once Obama locks this up, it's a completely different race. Voters will hit F5 and start anew. Obama has much more range than McCain, who is nothing more than a one-trick pony. He is the equivalent to Jack Kemp, but instead of being fiscally appealing to voters, McCain has the foreign policy appeal. But, he's not going to draw from much more than that. He can't energize the deep religious base like past GOP candidates, and Obama will pluck a handful of tweener states, as a consequence. By contrast, Obama will appeal to the independents (like myself; although, to be fair, I'm more "conservative" than I am "independent") and draw even more in his corner.The distance we see now is very small (3% points) and is reactionary to the inconsequential pastor flap that will have no more relevance than the lint in my jeans pocket as we approach October/November. Not saying Obama wins for certain. Hardly the case. But, I don't think we can look at the snapshot of what it looks like now (which would be a dead heat between the two) and assess that it will be this way in 6 months, which is an eternity in this game. Remember, too...McCain was a disaster of a candidate the last time he ran, and the only reason he rose to the top this time is the even WORSE competition he faced this round.

If you are truly a conservative, what would make you support Barack Obama?

I said I was "more" of a conservative. But, I am hardly a "true" conservative. Obama's appeal stems from reading his writings and following his career. He is someone whom I trust more than any of the candidates to be an intelligent, fluid thinker, a tireless worker who can build coalitions to promote what's in the country's best interests. He's neither a loose cannon, nor does he strike me as a power-hungry sociopath that define the other two candidates. He is the only one of the three left standing that has the chance, imo, to be a truly great president. Even if I disagree with some of the particulars, the whole appears to be greater than the sum of its parts when it comes to what he brings to the table.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I think BGP is right on this one. The way things are now, McCain should win rather handily in October. I think the Dems have nuked their own chances, and McCain has enough distance from Bush in the minds of moderates and dissatisfieds that he should clean up the mess that HRC and Obama are making in the middle of the political spectrum.Hope I'm wrong, of course.

SP, voters have a very short attention span. Once Obama locks this up, it's a completely different race. Voters will hit F5 and start anew. Obama has much more range than McCain, who is nothing more than a one-trick pony. He is the equivalent to Jack Kemp, but instead of being fiscally appealing to voters, McCain has the foreign policy appeal. But, he's not going to draw from much more than that. He can't energize the deep religious base like past GOP candidates, and Obama will pluck a handful of tweener states, as a consequence. By contrast, Obama will appeal to the independents (like myself; although, to be fair, I'm more "conservative" than I am "independent") and draw even more in his corner.The distance we see now is very small (3% points) and is reactionary to the inconsequential pastor flap that will have no more relevance than the lint in my jeans pocket as we approach October/November. Not saying Obama wins for certain. Hardly the case. But, I don't think we can look at the snapshot of what it looks like now (which would be a dead heat between the two) and assess that it will be this way in 6 months, which is an eternity in this game. Remember, too...McCain was a disaster of a candidate the last time he ran, and the only reason he rose to the top this time is the even WORSE competition he faced this round.

If you are truly a conservative, what would make you support Barack Obama?

I said I was "more" of a conservative. But, I am hardly a "true" conservative. Obama's appeal stems from reading his writings and following his career. He is someone whom I trust more than any of the candidates to be an intelligent, fluid thinker, a tireless worker who can build coalitions to promote what's in the country's best interests. He's neither a loose cannon, nor does he strike me as a power-hungry sociopath that define the other two candidates. He is the only one of the three left standing that has the chance, imo, to be a truly great president. Even if I disagree with some of the particulars, the whole appears to be greater than the sum of its parts when it comes to what he brings to the table.

This is a very interesting election.For most Republicans, McCain isnt nearly conservative enough. He certainly doesnt appeal to the Repub core voters.However, these same Republicans HATE Hillary Clinton and would do anything to defeat her. I think Obama is a wild card. He is very charismatic but his voting history is extremely liberal which makes it very difficult for him to gain any crossover Republican votes.As I said, very interesting election. If Hillary wins the nomination, its a no doubter. McCain is my vote. If Obama wins the nomination, I've got some reading to do.

 

[cobalt_27]

This is a very interesting election.For most Republicans, McCain isnt nearly conservative enough. He certainly doesnt appeal to the Repub core voters.However, these same Republicans HATE Hillary Clinton and would do anything to defeat her. I think Obama is a wild card. He is very charismatic but his voting history is extremely liberal which makes it very difficult for him to gain any crossover Republican votes.As I said, very interesting election. If Hillary wins the nomination, its a no doubter. McCain is my vote. If Obama wins the nomination, I've got some reading to do.

Agreed. Not the typical dynamic we see in most elections.Hillary won't win the nomination--the math just doesn't add up for her, anymore. But, imagining the "what if," McCain would absolutely get my vote over her.

 

[golddigger]

This is a very interesting election.For most Republicans, McCain isnt nearly conservative enough. He certainly doesnt appeal to the Repub core voters.However, these same Republicans HATE Hillary Clinton and would do anything to defeat her. I think Obama is a wild card. He is very charismatic but his voting history is extremely liberal which makes it very difficult for him to gain any crossover Republican votes.As I said, very interesting election. If Hillary wins the nomination, its a no doubter. McCain is my vote. If Obama wins the nomination, I've got some reading to do.

Agreed. Not the typical dynamic we see in most elections.Hillary won't win the nomination--the math just doesn't add up for her, anymore. But, imagining the "what if," McCain would absolutely get my vote over her.

Many moderates feel that Obama is too liberal and inexperienced.

 

[cobalt_27]

This is a very interesting election.For most Republicans, McCain isnt nearly conservative enough. He certainly doesnt appeal to the Repub core voters.However, these same Republicans HATE Hillary Clinton and would do anything to defeat her. I think Obama is a wild card. He is very charismatic but his voting history is extremely liberal which makes it very difficult for him to gain any crossover Republican votes.As I said, very interesting election. If Hillary wins the nomination, its a no doubter. McCain is my vote. If Obama wins the nomination, I've got some reading to do.

Agreed. Not the typical dynamic we see in most elections.Hillary won't win the nomination--the math just doesn't add up for her, anymore. But, imagining the "what if," McCain would absolutely get my vote over her.

Many moderates feel that Obama is too liberal and inexperienced.

Many moderates feel that Sulla would dominate you in the mud. (But, I disagree...my is with you, digger.)

 

[Spiderman]

This is a very interesting election.For most Republicans, McCain isnt nearly conservative enough. He certainly doesnt appeal to the Repub core voters.However, these same Republicans HATE Hillary Clinton and would do anything to defeat her. I think Obama is a wild card. He is very charismatic but his voting history is extremely liberal which makes it very difficult for him to gain any crossover Republican votes.As I said, very interesting election. If Hillary wins the nomination, its a no doubter. McCain is my vote. If Obama wins the nomination, I've got some reading to do.

Agreed. Not the typical dynamic we see in most elections.Hillary won't win the nomination--the math just doesn't add up for her, anymore. But, imagining the "what if," McCain would absolutely get my vote over her.

Many moderates feel that Obama is too liberal and inexperienced.

I'm not seeing much of a decision here. Either you vote with somebody you agree with most of the time or you vote for somebody you very rarely agree with.Obama is not a uniter, and he votes down party lines and he's a liberal. That's a lot different that McCain.

 

[adonis]

This is a very interesting election.For most Republicans, McCain isnt nearly conservative enough. He certainly doesnt appeal to the Repub core voters.However, these same Republicans HATE Hillary Clinton and would do anything to defeat her. I think Obama is a wild card. He is very charismatic but his voting history is extremely liberal which makes it very difficult for him to gain any crossover Republican votes.As I said, very interesting election. If Hillary wins the nomination, its a no doubter. McCain is my vote. If Obama wins the nomination, I've got some reading to do.

Agreed. Not the typical dynamic we see in most elections.Hillary won't win the nomination--the math just doesn't add up for her, anymore. But, imagining the "what if," McCain would absolutely get my vote over her.

Many moderates feel that Obama is too liberal and inexperienced.

I'm not seeing much of a decision here. Either you vote with somebody you agree with most of the time or you vote for somebody you very rarely agree with.Obama is not a uniter, and he votes down party lines and he's a liberal. That's a lot different that McCain.

Define what a "united" really is, because it seems to me that one can vote down party lines and still be a uniter, as long as you're voting your conscience and what you feel is best for america. Obama showed how he can be a uniter in his speech on race. Excellent reviews of the speech from people of all races. He presents things in a way that doesn't divide us as a nation, but brings us together. Two racially charged groups, he drew parallels and attempted to tell us we can/should work together to solve problems that affect us all, and not get caught up on racial issues or divisive issues. That's what a uniter does. Voting along party lines is a poor test of ones uniting ability.

 

[Otis]

I like the guy and all, but why do we have 90 threads,one of which is 200 pages, all on him?

Obamaguys.com

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I like the guy and all, but why do we have 90 threads,one of which is 200 pages, all on him?Obamaguys.com

The republicans have caught Obama fever.

 

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[Homer J Simpson]

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welcome back gb

Anything happen while I was gone?

 

[Gopher State]

March 23, 2008

Poll of polls: Obama's lead narrows after tough week

The Wright controversy had an impact on Obama's poll numbers last week.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — After tapes of inflammatory statements made by Sen. Barack Obama's pastor came out last weekend, it appears to have had some negative impact on the Illinois senator.

Nationally, Obama's lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton narrowed in a poll of polls — which included CBS News, USA Today and Gallup.

The polls, taken between March 14-18, show Obama with 49 percent to Clinton's 43 percent.

"I don't think there is any doubt that the [Rev.] Jeremiah Wright controversy played a role in the 10-point drop in his favorable ratings," said pollster Terry Madonna.

 

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welcome back gb

Anything happen while I was gone?

oh not much, everyone is just trying to keep the quota of half the threads on pg 1 being about Obama. maybe a couple other things in the news, but i'm sure no one cares about them

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

March 23, 2008Poll of polls: Obama's lead narrows after tough weekThe Wright controversy had an impact on Obama's poll numbers last week.WASHINGTON (CNN) — After tapes of inflammatory statements made by Sen. Barack Obama's pastor came out last weekend, it appears to have had some negative impact on the Illinois senator.Nationally, Obama's lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton narrowed in a poll of polls — which included CBS News, USA Today and Gallup.The polls, taken between March 14-18, show Obama with 49 percent to Clinton's 43 percent."I don't think there is any doubt that the [Rev.] Jeremiah Wright controversy played a role in the 10-point drop in his favorable ratings," said pollster Terry Madonna.

Well, i dont think anyone expected it to help. And unless HRC has about 2 or 3 more bombshell's above and beyond the wright controversy, its nothing to really worry about. Also, i find it humorous that the campaign which thought they had the nomination on lock down as of 4 months ago, is now taking comfort in the fact that they are only 6 pts behind in the polls. Don't worry HRC supporters, reality is waiting for you when you're ready

 

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welcome back gb

Anything happen while I was gone?

oh not much, everyone is just trying to keep the quota of half the threads on pg 1 being about Obama. maybe a couple other things in the news, but i'm sure no one cares about them

Have you heard he's a Muslim and a supports the terrorists?

 

[cobalt_27]

March 23, 2008

Poll of polls: Obama's lead narrows after tough week

The Wright controversy had an impact on Obama's poll numbers last week.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — After tapes of inflammatory statements made by Sen. Barack Obama's pastor came out last weekend, it appears to have had some negative impact on the Illinois senator.

Nationally, Obama's lead over Sen. Hillary Clinton narrowed in a poll of polls — which included CBS News, USA Today and Gallup.

The polls, taken between March 14-18, show Obama with 49 percent to Clinton's 43 percent.

"I don't think there is any doubt that the [Rev.] Jeremiah Wright controversy played a role in the 10-point drop in his favorable ratings," said pollster Terry Madonna.

Well, i dont think anyone expected it to help. And unless HRC has about 2 or 3 more bombshell's above and beyond the wright controversy, its nothing to really worry about. Also, i find it humorous that the campaign which thought they had the nomination on lock down as of 4 months ago, is now taking comfort in the fact that they are only 6 pts behind in the polls. Don't worry HRC supporters, reality is waiting for you when you're ready

The witch will be officially laid to rest in just a few short weeks. Amazing given the head start she was working with in November.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Barrack on Larry King. Nothing new.

 

[Orange Crush]

Latest rumor in the Middle East is that Obama is actually jewish, because his first name Barack is hebrew.

So that means Obama is Christian, Muslim, AND Jewish. Wow, he really is a uniter. Next thing you know, he'll be meeting with the Dalai Lama.

 

[BuddyKnuckles]

Latest rumor in the Middle East is that Obama is actually jewish, because his first name Barack is hebrew.So that means Obama is Christian, Muslim, AND Jewish. Wow, he really is a uniter. Next thing you know, he'll be meeting with the Dalai Lama.

Hindu down?

 

[All Your Base Are Belong To Us]

Barrack on Larry King. Nothing new.

Well, it was a repeat, no?