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the moops said:
Spiderman said:
Voltaire said:
the moops said:
Spiderman said:
John McCain = 53.9% Barack Obama = 46.1%
:kicksrock: Are the decimals really necessary in your made up percentages?
To be fair, I'm pretty sure he copied and pasted that from a web site with some math backing (although it's poor math if they give NJ to McCain).
If I don't fall in line with Obama, there's no way I can write my own thoughts?
You can write your own thoughts, sure. Just amusing that you come up with percents as detailed as 53.9 and 46.1.
Yeah, I just thought that you'd gotten it somewhere else because it was so precise. And because you ridiculed where I got my info and I actually had evidence to back it up. It certainly explains the NJ fiasco, though. That's like an Obama fan claiming North Carolina becuase the campaign has stated they're going after that state.
Rasmussen's latest polls have the following: Obama taking Colorado 46-43%McCain taking Florida 47-43%Obama taking Iowa 44-42%McCain taking Michigan 45-44%McCain taking Missouri 47-41%McCain taking Montana 48-43%McCain taking Nevada 46-40%Obama taking New Hampshire 48-43%McCain taking New Jersey 46-45%McCain taking North Carolina 48-45%McCain taking Ohio 45-44%Obama taking Pennsylvania 45-43%McCain taking Virginia 47-44%McCain taking Wisconsin 47-43% That's from the most accurate major polling website based on their results over the last 10 years. But you still give Obama the advantage ??
Rasmussen is the only polling company I've seen that has McCain ahead of either Clinton or Obama in NJ, and he's ahead of both of them. They also are the only pollsters who show a McCain advantage in Wisconsin. What are they doing that everyone else isn't? Serious question, they might be on to something but their strong bias toward McCain heavily turns me off of their numbers.According to the site that I referenced earlier each Clinton and Obama have an 86% chance of winning NJ. If that is what you're pinning your hopes on, get ready for disappointment.
 
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the moops said:
Spiderman said:
Voltaire said:
the moops said:
Spiderman said:
John McCain = 53.9%

Barack Obama = 46.1%
:lmao: Are the decimals really necessary in your made up percentages?
To be fair, I'm pretty sure he copied and pasted that from a web site with some math backing (although it's poor math if they give NJ to McCain).
If I don't fall in line with Obama, there's no way I can write my own thoughts?
You can write your own thoughts, sure. Just amusing that you come up with percents as detailed as 53.9 and 46.1.
Yeah, I just thought that you'd gotten it somewhere else because it was so precise. And because you ridiculed where I got my info and I actually had evidence to back it up. It certainly explains the NJ fiasco, though. That's like an Obama fan claiming North Carolina becuase the campaign has stated they're going after that state.
Rasmussen's latest polls have the following:Obama taking Colorado 46-43%

McCain taking Florida 47-43%

Obama taking Iowa 44-42%

McCain taking Michigan 45-44%

McCain taking Missouri 47-41%

McCain taking Montana 48-43%

McCain taking Nevada 46-40%

Obama taking New Hampshire 48-43%

McCain taking New Jersey 46-45%

McCain taking North Carolina 48-45%

McCain taking Ohio 45-44%

Obama taking Pennsylvania 45-43%

McCain taking Virginia 47-44%

McCain taking Wisconsin 47-43%

That's from the most accurate major polling website based on their results over the last 10 years.

But you still give Obama the advantage ??
Rasmussen is the only polling company I've seen that has McCain ahead of either Clinton or Obama in NJ, and he's ahead of both of them. They also are the only one's who show a McCain advantage in Wisconsin. What are they doing that everyone else isn't? Serious question, they might be on to something but their strong bias toward McCain heavily turns me off of their numbers.According to the site that I referenced earlier each Clinton and Obama have an 86% chance of winning NJ. If that is what you're pinning your hopes on, get ready for disappointment.
Rasmussen hasn't had the best of records in the primaries so far this year - I think Survey USA is doing a very good job. Of course their methodologies may differ in a primary situation versus a general election and maybe Rasmussen has a general election better polled. As an example Survey USA has Obama leading McCain in Ohio 48-39

Some cool questions and results about running mates as well

 
the moops said:
Spiderman said:
Voltaire said:
the moops said:
Spiderman said:
John McCain = 53.9%

Barack Obama = 46.1%
:goodposting: Are the decimals really necessary in your made up percentages?
To be fair, I'm pretty sure he copied and pasted that from a web site with some math backing (although it's poor math if they give NJ to McCain).
If I don't fall in line with Obama, there's no way I can write my own thoughts?
You can write your own thoughts, sure. Just amusing that you come up with percents as detailed as 53.9 and 46.1.
Yeah, I just thought that you'd gotten it somewhere else because it was so precise. And because you ridiculed where I got my info and I actually had evidence to back it up. It certainly explains the NJ fiasco, though. That's like an Obama fan claiming North Carolina becuase the campaign has stated they're going after that state.
Rasmussen's latest polls have the following:Obama taking Colorado 46-43%

McCain taking Florida 47-43%

Obama taking Iowa 44-42%

McCain taking Michigan 45-44%

McCain taking Missouri 47-41%

McCain taking Montana 48-43%

McCain taking Nevada 46-40%

Obama taking New Hampshire 48-43%

McCain taking New Jersey 46-45%

McCain taking North Carolina 48-45%

McCain taking Ohio 45-44%

Obama taking Pennsylvania 45-43%

McCain taking Virginia 47-44%

McCain taking Wisconsin 47-43%

That's from the most accurate major polling website based on their results over the last 10 years.

But you still give Obama the advantage ??
Rasmussen is the only polling company I've seen that has McCain ahead of either Clinton or Obama in NJ, and he's ahead of both of them. They also are the only one's who show a McCain advantage in Wisconsin. What are they doing that everyone else isn't? Serious question, they might be on to something but their strong bias toward McCain heavily turns me off of their numbers.According to the site that I referenced earlier each Clinton and Obama have an 86% chance of winning NJ. If that is what you're pinning your hopes on, get ready for disappointment.
Rasmussen hasn't had the best of records in the primaries so far this year - I think Survey USA is doing a very good job. Of course their methodologies may differ in a primary situation versus a general election and maybe Rasmussen has a general election better polled. As an example Survey USA has Obama leading McCain in Ohio 48-39

Some cool questions and results about running mates as well
Which is why it's best to use BOTH of them along with other regional polls in a weighted average to see what is really going on.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Here are the top five possibilities according to InTrade:1. Jim Webb (20.3%)2. Hillary Clinton (16.5%)3. John Edwards (7.7%)4. Bill Richardson (6.6%)5. Mark Warner (6.0%)
:confused: No love for Sebelius?
Agreed. I think she's got a real shot.Clinton isn't getting the VP nod. Period. I think Webb is easily the favorite and makes the most sense, assuming he'd take the job.
 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Here are the top five possibilities according to InTrade:

1. Jim Webb (20.3%)

2. Hillary Clinton (16.5%)

3. John Edwards (7.7%)

4. Bill Richardson (6.6%)

5. Mark Warner (6.0%)
:goodposting: No love for Sebelius?
Agreed. I think she's got a real shot.Clinton isn't getting the VP nod. Period. I think Webb is easily the favorite and makes the most sense, assuming he'd take the job.
I'm one of her biggest cheerleaders and Robert Novack is a total hack, but if there's any truth to his claims of "laundering" abortion industry money for campaign uses then she shouldn't be given the nod.
 
Spiderman said:
The map basically shows the left coast going to Obama w/ Colorado, New Mexico, and Hawaii. Everything else west of the Missouri River goes to McCain (12 states). The entire South goes to McCain below Illinois, including Midwestern States like Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Missouri. Obama takes Minnesota, Iowa, and Illinois. The entire Mid-Atlantic Region goes to McCain, but the New England States to go Obama. McCain sneaks in for New Hampshire and New Jersey.

Obama can turn the race by taking New Jersey, Wisconsin, and Ohio. Pennsylvania combined with New England, the West (Left) Coast, and the northern Midwest (Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, and Minnesota), is not enough by itself, even with New Jersey folded in.

Those swing States will be critical for Obama. If Obama takes every State w/i the polls margin of error, he wins a close one, 288 - 250 without carrying Ohio and Florida. But he does this by taking Michigan. That State is key from a disenfranchising perspective. W/O Michigan, he still wins, but by 4 electoral votes. That's as narrow as it gets, folks.

The bottom line is that I'm currently pegging their chances at winning the General Election at:

John McCain = 53.9%

Barack Obama = 46.1%
Your bolded statement is off by 400%, as one would actually be as close as it gets.Considering your established margin of error, the remainder of your projections are worthless.

 
The map basically shows the left coast going to Obama w/ Colorado, New Mexico, and Hawaii. Everything else west of the Missouri River goes to McCain (12 states). The entire South goes to McCain below Illinois, including Midwestern States like Kentucky, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Missouri. Obama takes Minnesota, Iowa, and Illinois. The entire Mid-Atlantic Region goes to McCain, but the New England States to go Obama. McCain sneaks in for New Hampshire and New Jersey.

Obama can turn the race by taking New Jersey, Wisconsin, and Ohio. Pennsylvania combined with New England, the West (Left) Coast, and the northern Midwest (Wisconsin, Illinois, Iowa, and Minnesota), is not enough by itself, even with New Jersey folded in.

Those swing States will be critical for Obama. If Obama takes every State w/i the polls margin of error, he wins a close one, 288 - 250 without carrying Ohio and Florida. But he does this by taking Michigan. That State is key from a disenfranchising perspective. W/O Michigan, he still wins, but by 4 electoral votes. That's as narrow as it gets, folks.

The bottom line is that I'm currently pegging their chances at winning the General Election at:

John McCain = 53.9%

Barack Obama = 46.1%
Your bolded statement is off by 400%, as one would actually be as close as it gets.Considering your established margin of error, the remainder of your projections are worthless.
:o Well played, CJ.

 
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/050...ntion_site.html

Obama plans election kick-off at GOP convention site

Senior political officials tell Politico's Mike Allen that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).is likely to hold a huge rally Tuesday night in the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, the site of the Republican National Convention from Sept. 1 to 4.

Tuesday is the night of the final Democratic primaries, and the choice of venue is a mischievous, aggressive way for Obama to unofficially kick off the general election campaign against Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). The location gives huge meaning to the moment, with Obama likely to frame a tough case against his new opponent in the very hall where McCain will accept his party’s nomination.

:boxing:

 
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Obama plans election kick-off at GOP convention site

Senior political officials tell Politico's Mike Allen that Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.).is likely to hold a huge rally Tuesday night in the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, the site of the Republican National Convention from Sept. 1 to 4.

Tuesday is the night of the final Democratic primaries, and the choice of venue is a mischievous, aggressive way for Obama to unofficially kick off the general election campaign against Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). The location gives huge meaning to the moment, with Obama likely to frame a tough case against his new opponent in the very hall where McCain will accept his party’s nomination.

:goodposting:
hell to the yeah...no john kerry in this guy. Take it to the hole with soul Barack
 
As an example Survey USA has Obama leading McCain in Ohio 48-39

Some cool questions and results about running mates as well
I glanced at some of those states, and it seems like John Edwards polls the strongest as a running mate for Obama by wide margins in some cases. I didn't see Webb or Clinton included as a possibility, though, so who knows.
Yes - I was wondering if it was because it came on the heels of his endorsement. The interesting ones I thought were Seilbuis(sp?) - she really seemed to bring it down.
 
ffldrew said:
Intergalactic Kegger said:
As an example Survey USA has Obama leading McCain in Ohio 48-39

Some cool questions and results about running mates as well
I glanced at some of those states, and it seems like John Edwards polls the strongest as a running mate for Obama by wide margins in some cases. I didn't see Webb or Clinton included as a possibility, though, so who knows.
Yes - I was wondering if it was because it came on the heels of his endorsement. The interesting ones I thought were Seilbuis(sp?) - she really seemed to bring it down.
Not as bad as it seems Romney brings down McCain. Jeez...does anyone like that guy? And if so, what could possibly be the reason?

 
It knocked out Hillary - however - she may appeal all the way to Denver - if she does that she will still not win and destroy the Clinton name in the process with the democratic party leaders.

 
From Reuters:

During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama -- a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School -- was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

"I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution," said Obama.

:thumbup: Have we ever had a Con Law professor as President before?

 
From Reuters:

During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama -- a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School -- was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

"I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution," said Obama.

:thumbup: Have we ever had a Con Law professor as President before?
I dunno, but I certainly hope we have one this go round. Maybe he can undo some of the damage done by the previous administration.
 
As an example Survey USA has Obama leading McCain in Ohio 48-39

Some cool questions and results about running mates as well
I glanced at some of those states, and it seems like John Edwards polls the strongest as a running mate for Obama by wide margins in some cases. I didn't see Webb or Clinton included as a possibility, though, so who knows.
Edwards was the only name that jumped out as having much of an effect.
 
From Reuters:

During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama -- a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School -- was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

"I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution," said Obama.

:confused: Have we ever had a Con Law professor as President before?
I dunno, but I certainly hope we have one this go round. Maybe he can undo some of the damage done by the previous administration.
I think any of the candidates would show more respect for the constitution than the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave...
 
From the AP:

Analysis: Obama's sole focus is general election

By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer

Sun Jun 1, 2:18 PM ET

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. - It's Barack Obama's party now. He beat the ultimate insider at the insider's game. And he's already turned his full-bore attention to the general election contest against Republican John McCain.

During a weekend in which Hillary Rodham Clinton mounted a likely last hurrah in Puerto Rico and national Democrats resolved the sticky issue of seating Florida and Michigan delegates under a formula favorable to Obama, the Illinois senator took a series of bold steps to signal his focus was riveted on the fall campaign:

• He severed all remaining ties with his Chicago church and politically meddlesome pastors who have preached from its pulpit.

• His campaign announced he would go to the lion's den, the site of this summer's GOP convention in St. Paul, Minn., for a rally this Tuesday marking the end of the primary season.

• He stepped up his criticism of McCain, pummeling him on Iraq, Iran and veterans matters.

Former Democratic Sen. Tom Daschle, Obama's top supporter here in South Dakota and leader of the effort to round up superdelegates, on Sunday predicted the floodgates would open this week as remaining superdelegates jump on the Obama bandwagon.

"I think we're going to have a nominee before the end of this week," Daschle said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

The primary season ends Tuesday, with contests here and in Montana. Obama was spending Sunday, and all of Saturday, campaigning here.

Obama's complete break with Trinity United Church of Christ will provide a degree of cover for superdelegates poised to endorse him but possibly still uncomfortable about some of his entanglements.

And the same things that make it easier for Obama to cement his victory among superdelegates will help him coax independents to swing his way in the fall.

Obama hasn't yet declared that his nomination is inevitable. But he's on the very edge.

"We are getting very close to the number, the new number, now that Michigan and Florida have been added," he told reporters traveling with him.

"We are getting close to the number that will give us the nomination. And if we've hit that number on Tuesday night we will announce that — and I think even if we don't, this is the end of the primary season," he said. Thus the in-your face decision to hold Tuesday night's primary season wrap-up rally at the Xcel Energy Center, site of the GOP convention beginning Sept. 1.

"I think it's very important for us to pivot and focus on the clear contrast that will exist between Democrats and Republicans in this election," Obama said.

Contributing to the dynamic as Obama heads toward the general election is that he has been painted so poorly by the Clinton campaign — from first portraying him as another manifestation of civil rights leader Jesse Jackson to suggesting her rival could be in the same line as other Democratic nominees who lost badly, including George McGovern, the 1972 candidate defeated by President Nixon in a landslide.

Clinton once worked for McGovern's candidacy. McGovern, also of South Dakota, earlier supported Clinton but switched his allegiance to Obama in May and urged her to drop out of the race. He described Obama's lead as "insurmountable" and argued "Democrats need to be gathering in a united way behind him."

Despite continued defiant assertions by Clinton that she would be a better candidate against McCain, particularly in industrial swing states, even some of her most ardent supporters are now subdued, perhaps resigned to the inevitability of an Obama candidacy.

"He would make a good president, and we're not saying he can't get elected," top Clinton strategist Harold Ickes said Sunday.

Clearly, there are some big general election challenges ahead for Obama.

"Obama has to deal with the issue of white working-class reservations about him, highly social conservative attitudes," said Andrew Kohut, president of the independent Pew Research Center.

In many ways, Obama's resignation from the church and repudiation of ministers who made inflammatory racial comments from its pulpit should help with this group.

But more important, said Kohut, Obama needs to strongly reach out to independents. "Right now, they're breaking for Obama. All elections are about how independent voters break."

Plus, Obama is the first one to acknowledge that things happen, and that in a YouTube world, anything can rear up instantly and come close to destroying your political career — like the sermons of two preachers who are among his longtime acquaintances and supporters.

Remarks by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, inflamed racial tensions. These were reinforced by recent comments from the same pulpit by a visiting pastor, the Rev. Michael Pfleger, that raised racial issues and mocked Clinton. Clips of both were circulated extensively on YouTube and shown on television.

"I have to say this was one I didn't see coming. We knew there were going to be some things we didn't see coming. This was one," Obama said. "I didn't anticipate my fairly conventional Christian faith being subject to such challenge and such scrutiny. Initially with e-mails suggesting I was a Muslim, later with the controversy that Trinity generated."

___

EDITOR'S NOTE — Tom Raum has covered Washington for The Associated Press since 1973, including five presidencies.
 
Clinton wins decisively in Puerto Rico primary

By Martha T. Moore, USA TODAY

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton won a decisive victory over Barack Obama Sunday in the Puerto Rico primary and vowed to "keep fighting" in a presidential nominating contest that has mostly slipped from her once-formidable grasp.

The Associated Press declared Clinton the winner less than an hour after the polls closed. She appeared to be winning about two-thirds of the vote.

According to an AP analysis of still incomplete returns, Clinton won at least 34 delegates of the 55 delegates at stake, Obama won at least 15, with six still to be allocated. That brings Obama tantalizingly close to the 2,118 needed for the nomination.

Clinton campaigned even into Sunday in a spirited effort to pick up as much of the popular vote as possible during the waning days of the primary calendar to demonstrate her vote-getting appeal to delegates to the Democratic convention.

Clinton's high profile here is due, in part, to the popularity of former President Bill Clinton. As a senator from New York, Clinton represents some 1 million Puerto Ricans who now live in the Empire State. She has worked on issues key to Puerto Ricans, such as ending the Navy's bombing on the island of Vieques.

 
Gotta give it to you gopher, you're a pesky little badger, continually pimping Hillary in an Obama HQ's thread.

Most people would put the info you typically post in here in, well, the Hillary thread, but you keep on doing what you do inside camp Obama. I'm not quite sure what effect you're going for, but I think I can safely assume that whatever it is, won't happen doing things the way you do them.

 
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From Reuters:

During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama -- a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School -- was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

"I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution," said Obama.

:shrug: Have we ever had a Con Law professor as President before?
Cool, so he's going to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, federal education spending...He's got my vote.

 
From Reuters:

During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama -- a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School -- was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

"I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution," said Obama.

:rolleyes: Have we ever had a Con Law professor as President before?
Cool, so he's going to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, federal education spending...He's got my vote.
issued by George Bush
 
Gotta give it to you gopher, you're a pesky little badger, continually pimping Hillary in an Obama HQ's thread.Most people would put the info you typically post in here in, well, the Hillary thread, but you keep on doing what you do inside camp Obama. I'm not quite sure what effect you're going for, but I think I can safely assume that whatever it is, won't happen doing things the way you do them.
They should give you mod powers for this thread. Then you could deputize me, and we'd crush all dissent.
 
Gotta give it to you gopher, you're a pesky little badger, continually pimping Hillary in an Obama HQ's thread.Most people would put the info you typically post in here in, well, the Hillary thread, but you keep on doing what you do inside camp Obama. I'm not quite sure what effect you're going for, but I think I can safely assume that whatever it is, won't happen doing things the way you do them.
They should give you mod powers for this thread. Then you could deputize me, and we'd crush all dissent.
Not really. All over the internet, in these long discussions... people who were truly neutral to begin with, have been viewing these back and forths and as a result been leaning more and more towards Obama.
 
Gotta give it to you gopher, you're a pesky little badger, continually pimping Hillary in an Obama HQ's thread.

Most people would put the info you typically post in here in, well, the Hillary thread, but you keep on doing what you do inside camp Obama. I'm not quite sure what effect you're going for, but I think I can safely assume that whatever it is, won't happen doing things the way you do them.
They should give you mod powers for this thread. Then you could deputize me, and we'd crush all dissent.
:lmao: Bannings would fall like rain!

 
From Jack Tapper at ABC news. link

Ickes Sees "Perversion" at the DNC Meeting

May 31, 2008 3:46 PM

Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to the presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., took issue just now with any notion that the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is conceding anything by agreeing to a proposal being floated to seat the full Florida delegation with each delegate getting half a vote -- thus netting Clinton 19 pledged delegates.

"Concession?" said Ickes. "Gimme a break. Under their formula, Hillary Clinton loses delegates, not gains delegates. It is just a perversion of the word to call that a concession."

At last year's DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting, Ickes was one of several Clinton supporters to vote to not recognize any delegates from either Florida or Michigan because the two states were about to violate party rules and hold their contests early. He has since changed his position on the matter.

- jpt
:lmao:
 
From Jack Tapper at ABC news. link

Ickes Sees "Perversion" at the DNC Meeting

May 31, 2008 3:46 PM

Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to the presidential campaign of Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., took issue just now with any notion that the campaign of Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is conceding anything by agreeing to a proposal being floated to seat the full Florida delegation with each delegate getting half a vote -- thus netting Clinton 19 pledged delegates.

"Concession?" said Ickes. "Gimme a break. Under their formula, Hillary Clinton loses delegates, not gains delegates. It is just a perversion of the word to call that a concession."

At last year's DNC Rules and Bylaws Committee meeting, Ickes was one of several Clinton supporters to vote to not recognize any delegates from either Florida or Michigan because the two states were about to violate party rules and hold their contests early. He has since changed his position on the matter.

- jpt
:mellow:
I wonder how he managed to get any sleep for that whole year, with the thought of all those disenfranchised voters weighing on his conscience? :mellow:

 
From Reuters:

During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama -- a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School -- was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

"I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution," said Obama.

:goodposting: Have we ever had a Con Law professor as President before?
Cool, so he's going to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, federal education spending...He's got my vote.
issued by George Bush
So he doesn't care about the whole constitution? Only the parts allegedly violated by Bush?Got it.

 
From Reuters:

During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama -- a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School -- was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

"I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution," said Obama.

:goodposting: Have we ever had a Con Law professor as President before?
Cool, so he's going to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, federal education spending...He's got my vote.
issued by George Bush
So he doesn't care about the whole constitution? Only the parts allegedly violated by Bush?Got it.
He never said that. He is going to review George W Bushs actions that violate the constitution. Not histories.
 
From Reuters:

During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama -- a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School -- was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

"I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution," said Obama.

:popcorn: Have we ever had a Con Law professor as President before?
Cool, so he's going to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, federal education spending...He's got my vote.
issued by George Bush
So he doesn't care about the whole constitution? Only the parts allegedly violated by Bush?Got it.
He never said that. He is going to review George W Bushs actions that violate the constitution. Not histories.
I guess we could give the Louisiana Purchase back. We need the money anyway.
 
From Reuters:

During a fund-raiser in Denver, Obama -- a former constitutional law professor at the University of Chicago Law School -- was asked what he hoped to accomplish during his first 100 days in office.

"I would call my attorney general in and review every single executive order issued by George Bush and overturn those laws or executive decisions that I feel violate the constitution," said Obama.

:lmao: Have we ever had a Con Law professor as President before?
Cool, so he's going to get rid of Social Security, Medicare, federal education spending...He's got my vote.
issued by George Bush
So he doesn't care about the whole constitution? Only the parts allegedly violated by Bush?Got it.
He never said that. He is going to review George W Bushs actions that violate the constitution. Not histories.
Thanks for bolstering my point.
 
Start spreading the news...

Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:11 AM by Mark Murray

Filed Under: 2008, Clinton

From NBC's Mark Murray

It's official: The Clinton campaign has announced that Hillary will hold her Election Night celebration tomorrow night in New York City, at the Baruch College Athletic & Recreation Center.

*** UPDATE *** Just to clarify, this is the event Clinton will hold the night of the Montana and South Dakota primaries. Her campaign is billing it a "celebration."
 
Start spreading the news...

Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:11 AM by Mark Murray

Filed Under: 2008, Clinton

From NBC's Mark Murray

It's official: The Clinton campaign has announced that Hillary will hold her Election Night celebration tomorrow night in New York City, at the Baruch College Athletic & Recreation Center.

*** UPDATE *** Just to clarify, this is the event Clinton will hold the night of the Montana and South Dakota primaries. Her campaign is billing it a "celebration."
Wow.. this is shocking, Clinton is going to give up after the last primaries? Who would have ever imagined!
 
Start spreading the news...

Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:11 AM by Mark Murray

Filed Under: 2008, Clinton

From NBC's Mark Murray

It's official: The Clinton campaign has announced that Hillary will hold her Election Night celebration tomorrow night in New York City, at the Baruch College Athletic & Recreation Center.

*** UPDATE *** Just to clarify, this is the event Clinton will hold the night of the Montana and South Dakota primaries. Her campaign is billing it a "celebration."
Wow.. this is shocking, Clinton is going to give up after the last primaries? Who would have ever imagined!
Give up? No fn way. I'd be willing to bet she's going to declare victory.
 
Start spreading the news...

Posted: Monday, June 02, 2008 10:11 AM by Mark Murray

Filed Under: 2008, Clinton

From NBC's Mark Murray

It's official: The Clinton campaign has announced that Hillary will hold her Election Night celebration tomorrow night in New York City, at the Baruch College Athletic & Recreation Center.

*** UPDATE *** Just to clarify, this is the event Clinton will hold the night of the Montana and South Dakota primaries. Her campaign is billing it a "celebration."
Wow.. this is shocking, Clinton is going to give up after the last primaries? Who would have ever imagined!
Give up? No fn way. I'd be willing to bet she's going to declare victory.
I bet she will be in attendance.
 
She is going to suspend her campaign and say lots of good things about how historic this primary was, how great she is, how great Obama is, and she'll probably throw a sprinkle about how more people voted for her than any candidate in primary history.

But she will not continue.

 
She is going to suspend her campaign and say lots of good things about how historic this primary was, how great she is, how great Obama is, and she'll probably throw a sprinkle about how more people voted for her than any candidate in primary history.But she will not continue.
I hope you're right, but I think she is going to take a week or two to meet with supers and try to convince them to change their minds. I do NOT think she goes to the convention etc., unless not that many supers come out for Obama after tuesday (i suspect they will in droves though).
 
She is going to suspend her campaign and say lots of good things about how historic this primary was, how great she is, how great Obama is, and she'll probably throw a sprinkle about how more people voted for her than any candidate in primary history.But she will not continue.
I hope you're right, but I think she is going to take a week or two to meet with supers and try to convince them to change their minds. I do NOT think she goes to the convention etc., unless not that many supers come out for Obama after tuesday (i suspect they will in droves though).
I agree with Trey. She did what she had to do - fight as hard as she possibly could when it was still contests left - but it is clear where a large number of the undeclared superdelegates are going - and she knows this.
 
She is going to suspend her campaign and say lots of good things about how historic this primary was, how great she is, how great Obama is, and she'll probably throw a sprinkle about how more people voted for her than any candidate in primary history.But she will not continue.
I hope you're right, but I think she is going to take a week or two to meet with supers and try to convince them to change their minds. I do NOT think she goes to the convention etc., unless not that many supers come out for Obama after tuesday (i suspect they will in droves though).
She's already stated that she thinks after Tueday the uncommitted supers will "begin the process" of breaking one way or the other. She's speaking of it in terms starting, not ending, the home stretch. She's also said, repeatedly, that she's in the race until Obama has enough delegates to win. You guys keep looking at this thing like what you would do if you were in her shoes.I hope I'm wrong and concedes this week. But betting on her dropping out of the race has been the most consistently bad bet this election.
 
She is going to suspend her campaign and say lots of good things about how historic this primary was, how great she is, how great Obama is, and she'll probably throw a sprinkle about how more people voted for her than any candidate in primary history.But she will not continue.
I hope you're right, but I think she is going to take a week or two to meet with supers and try to convince them to change their minds. I do NOT think she goes to the convention etc., unless not that many supers come out for Obama after tuesday (i suspect they will in droves though).
I suspect Trey is right. I've heard Russert and others talk about the flood of Supers that are expected to come his way soon. Russert said he new of several who are planning on announcing their support of Obama the very second the polls close on the last primary. Some have supposed that he might get enough today that the final two states would push him over the top. But I'm sure Hillary has been made away of their intentions and wishes to go home to NY for her fairwell speech.This is probably a good time to remind Obama supporters not to dance on Clinton's grave when it finally happens. As they say in the movie Major League, "you don't want to celebrate in front of people who just died." The Clinton supporters are very bitter, and it's going to a long road trying to heal their broken hearts. Probably best to kiss her ### on the way out the door. I'm still a bit concerned about the grudge vote factor in the general election, so let's play nice. :bag:
 
She is going to suspend her campaign and say lots of good things about how historic this primary was, how great she is, how great Obama is, and she'll probably throw a sprinkle about how more people voted for her than any candidate in primary history.But she will not continue.
I hope you're right, but I think she is going to take a week or two to meet with supers and try to convince them to change their minds. I do NOT think she goes to the convention etc., unless not that many supers come out for Obama after tuesday (i suspect they will in droves though).
She's already stated that she thinks after Tueday the uncommitted supers will "begin the process" of breaking one way or the other. She's speaking of it in terms starting, not ending, the home stretch. She's also said, repeatedly, that she's in the race until Obama has enough delegates to win. You guys keep looking at this thing like what you would do if you were in her shoes.I hope I'm wrong and concedes this week. But betting on her dropping out of the race has been the most consistently bad bet this election.
I think the difference is that she knows at this point that she's not going to win over any superdelegates. In fact, if she were to stay in the race after Tuesday it would be for just long enough to buried by an avalanche of the remaining delegates endorsing Obama, and also a continued bailing of her own delegates. Conceding on Tuesday will allow her to save some face.
 
She is going to suspend her campaign and say lots of good things about how historic this primary was, how great she is, how great Obama is, and she'll probably throw a sprinkle about how more people voted for her than any candidate in primary history.But she will not continue.
I hope you're right, but I think she is going to take a week or two to meet with supers and try to convince them to change their minds. I do NOT think she goes to the convention etc., unless not that many supers come out for Obama after tuesday (i suspect they will in droves though).
She's already stated that she thinks after Tueday the uncommitted supers will "begin the process" of breaking one way or the other. She's speaking of it in terms starting, not ending, the home stretch. She's also said, repeatedly, that she's in the race until Obama has enough delegates to win. You guys keep looking at this thing like what you would do if you were in her shoes.I hope I'm wrong and concedes this week. But betting on her dropping out of the race has been the most consistently bad bet this election.
I think you're right, she's in it until he has the number he needs to get the nomination, but I agree with some others who say that by tomorrow night, he'll probably have those numbers before she gives her speech.
 

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