BuddyKnuckles
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apparently. Except this one missed the memo that McCain is as close to anti-wimmens rights as it gets these days
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BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Dont try and be reasonable. That has nothing to do with "A woman scorned..."
They are confirming the long time misogynistic remark and they don't care.
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Black Sunshine
Footballguy
NCCommish
Footballguy
I was that close
NCCommish
Footballguy
I think Nunn would make a great choice.
NCCommish
Footballguy
I could live with that.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I hadn't really looked up much on Hagel in a long time, but this quote on Wikipedia is a surprise to me:"In November 2007, he rated the Bush administration "the lowest in capacity, in capability, in policy, in consensus -- almost every area" of any presidency in the last forty years. He also revealed he is open to running as vice-president with the 2008 Democratic nominee."Vietnam Vet, born in small town Nebraska... was a lobbyist for 4 years in the late 70's though. Member of the Banking, Housing, and Urban affairs committee, Foreign Relations committee, Select Committee on Intelligence.I personally like these quotes a lot:"To question your government is not unpatriotic — to not question your government is unpatriotic." -Nov. 2005"I took an oath of office to the Constitution, I didn't take an oath of office to my party or my president." -Dec. 2005 in regards to PATRIOT Act"National security is more important than the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. And to use it to try and get someone elected will ultimately end up in defeat and disaster for that political party." - Jan. 2006
NCCommish
Footballguy
Hagel is a GOPer I can get behind. Now we don't agree on everything by a long shot but he is truly willing to do what he thinks is right party be damned. I gotta respect that. I would be happy to see him on the ticket but I don't think he'll go there. He would be a pariah in GOP circles if Obama won.I am still hoping for Richardson or Sebeilas
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Bad news: Obama's bump smaller than hoped for.
Good news: He's leading in key demographics.
LINK
Republicans expressed a sigh of relief upon seeing last night that the first WSJ/NBC poll taken since Obama wrapped up the nomination only had him up six.
Many feared the bounce would be far larger -- and it still may yet be as he consolidates support.
But getting beyond the topline, the news is not good for McCain and the GOP.
As Chuck Todd and Co. explain in First Read, Obama has taken a lead in some key demographics that he lagged in during the primary.
Hispanics: 62-28%
Women: 52-33% (it's much closer, but he still leads by 7% among white women)
Catholics: 47-40%
Blue-Collar: 47-42%
Good news: He's leading in key demographics.
LINK
Republicans expressed a sigh of relief upon seeing last night that the first WSJ/NBC poll taken since Obama wrapped up the nomination only had him up six.
Many feared the bounce would be far larger -- and it still may yet be as he consolidates support.
But getting beyond the topline, the news is not good for McCain and the GOP.
As Chuck Todd and Co. explain in First Read, Obama has taken a lead in some key demographics that he lagged in during the primary.
Hispanics: 62-28%
Women: 52-33% (it's much closer, but he still leads by 7% among white women)
Catholics: 47-40%
Blue-Collar: 47-42%
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
If he keeps that percentage and more importantly gets them to turnout in record numbers...McCain is in serious trouble and will end up having to play defense even in places like Texas much less NM or CO. It should also be noted that there are pretty big Hispanic pop's in places like NC and Va.
I'll say it again: Obama is going to landslide win.
adonis
Footballguy
Wayyyy, too early for that as no one should underestimate the republican machine. Until it's in the bag, I have every reason to believe they have tricks still at their disposal to ruin Obama.
whitem0nkey
Footballguy
yeah lets not get over confided.I'm reading a fascinating book about this subject its called "the tortoise and the hare"but I think your right about this not even being close.
I wish I could be as intelligent as you, and I'll keep this simple since I wouldn't want to divert you from your crush on Obama, but if you look at historical bump numbers, Obama is getting about 5-7 point jump....Historically speaking, it's been in the 10-13 point range. I stick to my opinion that this was a mini-surge, when compared to history.Poll #1Before the Iowa Primary, Barack Obama was seen as "Liberal" by just 47% of the population. As of today, that number has shifted to 67% of the population, with a full 37% defining him as "very Liberal", a shift that corresponds to Obama's performance in the primaries. The polling data shows a gradual shift in this direction that has not stopped yet. Everyone other than MSNBC will tell you that this is bad news for Obama.
McCain has shifted in the other direction with 31% calling him Conservative in December and 67% today. But just 19% call McCain "Very Conservative" compared to Obama's "Very Liberal" at 37%. McCain is seen as the more moderate of the two candidates at this point, by a large margin.
Poll #2
Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the Presidential race. Nearly 70% said that reporters try to assist their favorite candidate win. Liberals are the least likely to see reporters as advocates for a candidate, while 65% - 17% of Moderates and 83% - 7% of Conservatives felt that this was the case. 68% of voters say a Democrat has gotten the best coverage from the media compared to just 22% saying Republicans have. In the Fall, 44% say reporters will actively try to help Obama while just 13% believe they will try to help McCain. Unaffiliated voters are 3x more likely to understand the media will be biased toward Obama. Of the undecided voters, they were 8x more likely to say Obama will get preferential treatment in the Fall, all but proving that the media will try to influence these voters, but they are expecting bias and will likely be unaffected.
Poll #3
41% of voters nationwide say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, compared to just 30% of voters that feel McCain is too old. Older voters, who historically speaking are those most likely to go to the polls, say Obama is too inexperienced by a rate of 2-1. Younger voters are more likely to call McCain too old. Nearly 50% of voters say that McCain will be a Bush 3rd term, while the same figure say that Obama will bring an excessively liberal, big government solution to our nations problems.
Poll #4
Obama has a 6% lead on John McCain after his mini-surge at being named the Democratic Nominee. He now leads 50-44%. Obama has 81% of Democrats and McCain has 83% of Republicans. 30% of all voters said they can change their vote before election day. Nearly 80% of all voters like McCain's proposal for town hall meetings in place of typical media led debates. The Economy continues to rank as the #1 issue to voters. On which candidate is likely to raise government spending, Obama has nearly 50% of all voters saying he will increase government spending, making him almost twice as likely to expand the size of the Government. Obama is also twice as likely to raise taxes than McCain.I'm sorry, where's the part where you eat crow for previously saying that [paraphrase] "Obama is in trouble since he didnt get a bump in polls after winning the primary" [/paraphrase]
I'm sure the straws you grasp at will become even more frivolous and insane as November draws closer. So, please be sure to reply to this post with even more meaningless filler. Unless of course you want to take your foot out of your mouth long enough to say you were wrong
adonis
Footballguy
Really?Spiderman said:I wish I could be as intelligent as you, and I'll keep this simple since I wouldn't want to divert you from your crush on Obama, but if you look at historical bump numbers, Obama is getting about 5-7 point jump....Historically speaking, it's been in the 10-13 point range. I stick to my opinion that this was a mini-surge, when compared to history.Poll #1Before the Iowa Primary, Barack Obama was seen as "Liberal" by just 47% of the population. As of today, that number has shifted to 67% of the population, with a full 37% defining him as "very Liberal", a shift that corresponds to Obama's performance in the primaries. The polling data shows a gradual shift in this direction that has not stopped yet. Everyone other than MSNBC will tell you that this is bad news for Obama.
McCain has shifted in the other direction with 31% calling him Conservative in December and 67% today. But just 19% call McCain "Very Conservative" compared to Obama's "Very Liberal" at 37%. McCain is seen as the more moderate of the two candidates at this point, by a large margin.
Poll #2
Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the Presidential race. Nearly 70% said that reporters try to assist their favorite candidate win. Liberals are the least likely to see reporters as advocates for a candidate, while 65% - 17% of Moderates and 83% - 7% of Conservatives felt that this was the case. 68% of voters say a Democrat has gotten the best coverage from the media compared to just 22% saying Republicans have. In the Fall, 44% say reporters will actively try to help Obama while just 13% believe they will try to help McCain. Unaffiliated voters are 3x more likely to understand the media will be biased toward Obama. Of the undecided voters, they were 8x more likely to say Obama will get preferential treatment in the Fall, all but proving that the media will try to influence these voters, but they are expecting bias and will likely be unaffected.
Poll #3
41% of voters nationwide say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, compared to just 30% of voters that feel McCain is too old. Older voters, who historically speaking are those most likely to go to the polls, say Obama is too inexperienced by a rate of 2-1. Younger voters are more likely to call McCain too old. Nearly 50% of voters say that McCain will be a Bush 3rd term, while the same figure say that Obama will bring an excessively liberal, big government solution to our nations problems.
Poll #4
Obama has a 6% lead on John McCain after his mini-surge at being named the Democratic Nominee. He now leads 50-44%. Obama has 81% of Democrats and McCain has 83% of Republicans. 30% of all voters said they can change their vote before election day. Nearly 80% of all voters like McCain's proposal for town hall meetings in place of typical media led debates. The Economy continues to rank as the #1 issue to voters. On which candidate is likely to raise government spending, Obama has nearly 50% of all voters saying he will increase government spending, making him almost twice as likely to expand the size of the Government. Obama is also twice as likely to raise taxes than McCain.I'm sorry, where's the part where you eat crow for previously saying that [paraphrase] "Obama is in trouble since he didnt get a bump in polls after winning the primary" [/paraphrase]
I'm sure the straws you grasp at will become even more frivolous and insane as November draws closer. So, please be sure to reply to this post with even more meaningless filler. Unless of course you want to take your foot out of your mouth long enough to say you were wrong
Bush's biggest lead was never bigger than 4 points, and he never trailed Kerry. Not sure where your info is coming from, but this is from NBC/WSJ.ETA: OH, and Bush won that presidential election by three percentage points, 51%-48%.
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I think both candidates are on thin ice and could see their candidacies implode between now and November.With Obama, it could be any of his associates, like Wright, giving him an anti-American slam.With McCain, all it takes is one bout of exhaustion or the mildest of chest pains or something along those lines and he's done.adonis said:
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
Its not a question of intelligence, its a matter of you just making sheeyat up. i don't have the #s, but i seriously doubt that primary winners get a 13pt bump in the polls.You're allowed your opinion, and i highly encourage you to continue to spout off whatever Rush tells you to. It just confirms what most everyone already thinks of you...whats that saying, better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you're an idiot...Spiderman said:I wish I could be as intelligent as you, and I'll keep this simple since I wouldn't want to divert you from your crush on Obama, but if you look at historical bump numbers, Obama is getting about 5-7 point jump....Historically speaking, it's been in the 10-13 point range. I stick to my opinion that this was a mini-surge, when compared to history.Poll #1Before the Iowa Primary, Barack Obama was seen as "Liberal" by just 47% of the population. As of today, that number has shifted to 67% of the population, with a full 37% defining him as "very Liberal", a shift that corresponds to Obama's performance in the primaries. The polling data shows a gradual shift in this direction that has not stopped yet. Everyone other than MSNBC will tell you that this is bad news for Obama.
McCain has shifted in the other direction with 31% calling him Conservative in December and 67% today. But just 19% call McCain "Very Conservative" compared to Obama's "Very Liberal" at 37%. McCain is seen as the more moderate of the two candidates at this point, by a large margin.
Poll #2
Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the Presidential race. Nearly 70% said that reporters try to assist their favorite candidate win. Liberals are the least likely to see reporters as advocates for a candidate, while 65% - 17% of Moderates and 83% - 7% of Conservatives felt that this was the case. 68% of voters say a Democrat has gotten the best coverage from the media compared to just 22% saying Republicans have. In the Fall, 44% say reporters will actively try to help Obama while just 13% believe they will try to help McCain. Unaffiliated voters are 3x more likely to understand the media will be biased toward Obama. Of the undecided voters, they were 8x more likely to say Obama will get preferential treatment in the Fall, all but proving that the media will try to influence these voters, but they are expecting bias and will likely be unaffected.
Poll #3
41% of voters nationwide say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, compared to just 30% of voters that feel McCain is too old. Older voters, who historically speaking are those most likely to go to the polls, say Obama is too inexperienced by a rate of 2-1. Younger voters are more likely to call McCain too old. Nearly 50% of voters say that McCain will be a Bush 3rd term, while the same figure say that Obama will bring an excessively liberal, big government solution to our nations problems.
Poll #4
Obama has a 6% lead on John McCain after his mini-surge at being named the Democratic Nominee. He now leads 50-44%. Obama has 81% of Democrats and McCain has 83% of Republicans. 30% of all voters said they can change their vote before election day. Nearly 80% of all voters like McCain's proposal for town hall meetings in place of typical media led debates. The Economy continues to rank as the #1 issue to voters. On which candidate is likely to raise government spending, Obama has nearly 50% of all voters saying he will increase government spending, making him almost twice as likely to expand the size of the Government. Obama is also twice as likely to raise taxes than McCain.I'm sorry, where's the part where you eat crow for previously saying that [paraphrase] "Obama is in trouble since he didnt get a bump in polls after winning the primary" [/paraphrase]
I'm sure the straws you grasp at will become even more frivolous and insane as November draws closer. So, please be sure to reply to this post with even more meaningless filler. Unless of course you want to take your foot out of your mouth long enough to say you were wrong
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thanks Adonis, "Spiderman, Spiderman. If he cant make it up, no one can"
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Bamboo Bill
Footballguy
what is going to happen to those who make $150,000 to $250,000? Anything?
adonis
Footballguy
I think they will see tax increases of some kind, but not of the kind that people making above 250,000 will see.95% of the country makes below $150,000.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Said today he is eliminating income tax altogether on seniors making $50K or less.
In a June 3rd, 2005 poll by USA Today/CNN/Gallup, Kerry was winning with 49% of the vote to Bush's 43% of the vote. Bush took the lead permanently on Oct. 14th, and held throughout to victory. Basically, Bush exploded past Kerry after the Convention's in late July/early August and held the lead through until the end except for a couple tied polls.Really?Spiderman said:I wish I could be as intelligent as you, and I'll keep this simple since I wouldn't want to divert you from your crush on Obama, but if you look at historical bump numbers, Obama is getting about 5-7 point jump....Historically speaking, it's been in the 10-13 point range. I stick to my opinion that this was a mini-surge, when compared to history.Poll #1Before the Iowa Primary, Barack Obama was seen as "Liberal" by just 47% of the population. As of today, that number has shifted to 67% of the population, with a full 37% defining him as "very Liberal", a shift that corresponds to Obama's performance in the primaries. The polling data shows a gradual shift in this direction that has not stopped yet. Everyone other than MSNBC will tell you that this is bad news for Obama.
McCain has shifted in the other direction with 31% calling him Conservative in December and 67% today. But just 19% call McCain "Very Conservative" compared to Obama's "Very Liberal" at 37%. McCain is seen as the more moderate of the two candidates at this point, by a large margin.
Poll #2
Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the Presidential race. Nearly 70% said that reporters try to assist their favorite candidate win. Liberals are the least likely to see reporters as advocates for a candidate, while 65% - 17% of Moderates and 83% - 7% of Conservatives felt that this was the case. 68% of voters say a Democrat has gotten the best coverage from the media compared to just 22% saying Republicans have. In the Fall, 44% say reporters will actively try to help Obama while just 13% believe they will try to help McCain. Unaffiliated voters are 3x more likely to understand the media will be biased toward Obama. Of the undecided voters, they were 8x more likely to say Obama will get preferential treatment in the Fall, all but proving that the media will try to influence these voters, but they are expecting bias and will likely be unaffected.
Poll #3
41% of voters nationwide say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, compared to just 30% of voters that feel McCain is too old. Older voters, who historically speaking are those most likely to go to the polls, say Obama is too inexperienced by a rate of 2-1. Younger voters are more likely to call McCain too old. Nearly 50% of voters say that McCain will be a Bush 3rd term, while the same figure say that Obama will bring an excessively liberal, big government solution to our nations problems.
Poll #4
Obama has a 6% lead on John McCain after his mini-surge at being named the Democratic Nominee. He now leads 50-44%. Obama has 81% of Democrats and McCain has 83% of Republicans. 30% of all voters said they can change their vote before election day. Nearly 80% of all voters like McCain's proposal for town hall meetings in place of typical media led debates. The Economy continues to rank as the #1 issue to voters. On which candidate is likely to raise government spending, Obama has nearly 50% of all voters saying he will increase government spending, making him almost twice as likely to expand the size of the Government. Obama is also twice as likely to raise taxes than McCain.I'm sorry, where's the part where you eat crow for previously saying that [paraphrase] "Obama is in trouble since he didnt get a bump in polls after winning the primary" [/paraphrase]
I'm sure the straws you grasp at will become even more frivolous and insane as November draws closer. So, please be sure to reply to this post with even more meaningless filler. Unless of course you want to take your foot out of your mouth long enough to say you were wrongBush's biggest lead was never bigger than 4 points, and he never trailed Kerry. Not sure where your info is coming from, but this is from NBC/WSJ.ETA: OH, and Bush won that presidential election by three percentage points, 51%-48%.
Is that how we're playing this game now - if you don't like the poll numbers, then it's made up? If it's bad for Obama, it's made up? Everything I wrote previous came from polling. You just didn't like it.Its not a question of intelligence, its a matter of you just making sheeyat up. i don't have the #s, but i seriously doubt that primary winners get a 13pt bump in the polls.You're allowed your opinion, and i highly encourage you to continue to spout off whatever Rush tells you to. It just confirms what most everyone already thinks of you...whats that saying, better to keep your mouth shut and let everyone think you're an idiot...Spiderman said:I wish I could be as intelligent as you, and I'll keep this simple since I wouldn't want to divert you from your crush on Obama, but if you look at historical bump numbers, Obama is getting about 5-7 point jump....Historically speaking, it's been in the 10-13 point range. I stick to my opinion that this was a mini-surge, when compared to history.Poll #1Before the Iowa Primary, Barack Obama was seen as "Liberal" by just 47% of the population. As of today, that number has shifted to 67% of the population, with a full 37% defining him as "very Liberal", a shift that corresponds to Obama's performance in the primaries. The polling data shows a gradual shift in this direction that has not stopped yet. Everyone other than MSNBC will tell you that this is bad news for Obama.
McCain has shifted in the other direction with 31% calling him Conservative in December and 67% today. But just 19% call McCain "Very Conservative" compared to Obama's "Very Liberal" at 37%. McCain is seen as the more moderate of the two candidates at this point, by a large margin.
Poll #2
Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the Presidential race. Nearly 70% said that reporters try to assist their favorite candidate win. Liberals are the least likely to see reporters as advocates for a candidate, while 65% - 17% of Moderates and 83% - 7% of Conservatives felt that this was the case. 68% of voters say a Democrat has gotten the best coverage from the media compared to just 22% saying Republicans have. In the Fall, 44% say reporters will actively try to help Obama while just 13% believe they will try to help McCain. Unaffiliated voters are 3x more likely to understand the media will be biased toward Obama. Of the undecided voters, they were 8x more likely to say Obama will get preferential treatment in the Fall, all but proving that the media will try to influence these voters, but they are expecting bias and will likely be unaffected.
Poll #3
41% of voters nationwide say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, compared to just 30% of voters that feel McCain is too old. Older voters, who historically speaking are those most likely to go to the polls, say Obama is too inexperienced by a rate of 2-1. Younger voters are more likely to call McCain too old. Nearly 50% of voters say that McCain will be a Bush 3rd term, while the same figure say that Obama will bring an excessively liberal, big government solution to our nations problems.
Poll #4
Obama has a 6% lead on John McCain after his mini-surge at being named the Democratic Nominee. He now leads 50-44%. Obama has 81% of Democrats and McCain has 83% of Republicans. 30% of all voters said they can change their vote before election day. Nearly 80% of all voters like McCain's proposal for town hall meetings in place of typical media led debates. The Economy continues to rank as the #1 issue to voters. On which candidate is likely to raise government spending, Obama has nearly 50% of all voters saying he will increase government spending, making him almost twice as likely to expand the size of the Government. Obama is also twice as likely to raise taxes than McCain.
I'm sure the straws you grasp at will become even more frivolous and insane as November draws closer. So, please be sure to reply to this post with even more meaningless filler. Unless of course you want to take your foot out of your mouth long enough to say you were wrong
ETA:
adonis
Footballguy
I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on that one.In a June 3rd, 2005 poll by USA Today/CNN/Gallup, Kerry was winning with 49% of the vote to Bush's 43% of the vote. Bush took the lead permanently on Oct. 14th, and held throughout to victory. Basically, Bush exploded past Kerry after the Convention's in late July/early August and held the lead through until the end except for a couple tied polls.Really?Spiderman said:I wish I could be as intelligent as you, and I'll keep this simple since I wouldn't want to divert you from your crush on Obama, but if you look at historical bump numbers, Obama is getting about 5-7 point jump....Historically speaking, it's been in the 10-13 point range. I stick to my opinion that this was a mini-surge, when compared to history.Poll #1Before the Iowa Primary, Barack Obama was seen as "Liberal" by just 47% of the population. As of today, that number has shifted to 67% of the population, with a full 37% defining him as "very Liberal", a shift that corresponds to Obama's performance in the primaries. The polling data shows a gradual shift in this direction that has not stopped yet. Everyone other than MSNBC will tell you that this is bad news for Obama.
McCain has shifted in the other direction with 31% calling him Conservative in December and 67% today. But just 19% call McCain "Very Conservative" compared to Obama's "Very Liberal" at 37%. McCain is seen as the more moderate of the two candidates at this point, by a large margin.
Poll #2
Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the Presidential race. Nearly 70% said that reporters try to assist their favorite candidate win. Liberals are the least likely to see reporters as advocates for a candidate, while 65% - 17% of Moderates and 83% - 7% of Conservatives felt that this was the case. 68% of voters say a Democrat has gotten the best coverage from the media compared to just 22% saying Republicans have. In the Fall, 44% say reporters will actively try to help Obama while just 13% believe they will try to help McCain. Unaffiliated voters are 3x more likely to understand the media will be biased toward Obama. Of the undecided voters, they were 8x more likely to say Obama will get preferential treatment in the Fall, all but proving that the media will try to influence these voters, but they are expecting bias and will likely be unaffected.
Poll #3
41% of voters nationwide say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, compared to just 30% of voters that feel McCain is too old. Older voters, who historically speaking are those most likely to go to the polls, say Obama is too inexperienced by a rate of 2-1. Younger voters are more likely to call McCain too old. Nearly 50% of voters say that McCain will be a Bush 3rd term, while the same figure say that Obama will bring an excessively liberal, big government solution to our nations problems.
Poll #4
Obama has a 6% lead on John McCain after his mini-surge at being named the Democratic Nominee. He now leads 50-44%. Obama has 81% of Democrats and McCain has 83% of Republicans. 30% of all voters said they can change their vote before election day. Nearly 80% of all voters like McCain's proposal for town hall meetings in place of typical media led debates. The Economy continues to rank as the #1 issue to voters. On which candidate is likely to raise government spending, Obama has nearly 50% of all voters saying he will increase government spending, making him almost twice as likely to expand the size of the Government. Obama is also twice as likely to raise taxes than McCain.I'm sorry, where's the part where you eat crow for previously saying that [paraphrase] "Obama is in trouble since he didnt get a bump in polls after winning the primary" [/paraphrase]
I'm sure the straws you grasp at will become even more frivolous and insane as November draws closer. So, please be sure to reply to this post with even more meaningless filler. Unless of course you want to take your foot out of your mouth long enough to say you were wrongBush's biggest lead was never bigger than 4 points, and he never trailed Kerry. Not sure where your info is coming from, but this is from NBC/WSJ.ETA: OH, and Bush won that presidential election by three percentage points, 51%-48%.
adonis
Footballguy
Here's a link to a June 23-June 27, 2004 CBS poll that puts Kerry and Bush right even with each other.I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on that one.In a June 3rd, 2005 poll by USA Today/CNN/Gallup, Kerry was winning with 49% of the vote to Bush's 43% of the vote. Bush took the lead permanently on Oct. 14th, and held throughout to victory. Basically, Bush exploded past Kerry after the Convention's in late July/early August and held the lead through until the end except for a couple tied polls.Really?Spiderman said:I wish I could be as intelligent as you, and I'll keep this simple since I wouldn't want to divert you from your crush on Obama, but if you look at historical bump numbers, Obama is getting about 5-7 point jump....Historically speaking, it's been in the 10-13 point range. I stick to my opinion that this was a mini-surge, when compared to history.Poll #1Before the Iowa Primary, Barack Obama was seen as "Liberal" by just 47% of the population. As of today, that number has shifted to 67% of the population, with a full 37% defining him as "very Liberal", a shift that corresponds to Obama's performance in the primaries. The polling data shows a gradual shift in this direction that has not stopped yet. Everyone other than MSNBC will tell you that this is bad news for Obama.
McCain has shifted in the other direction with 31% calling him Conservative in December and 67% today. But just 19% call McCain "Very Conservative" compared to Obama's "Very Liberal" at 37%. McCain is seen as the more moderate of the two candidates at this point, by a large margin.
Poll #2
Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the Presidential race. Nearly 70% said that reporters try to assist their favorite candidate win. Liberals are the least likely to see reporters as advocates for a candidate, while 65% - 17% of Moderates and 83% - 7% of Conservatives felt that this was the case. 68% of voters say a Democrat has gotten the best coverage from the media compared to just 22% saying Republicans have. In the Fall, 44% say reporters will actively try to help Obama while just 13% believe they will try to help McCain. Unaffiliated voters are 3x more likely to understand the media will be biased toward Obama. Of the undecided voters, they were 8x more likely to say Obama will get preferential treatment in the Fall, all but proving that the media will try to influence these voters, but they are expecting bias and will likely be unaffected.
Poll #3
41% of voters nationwide say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, compared to just 30% of voters that feel McCain is too old. Older voters, who historically speaking are those most likely to go to the polls, say Obama is too inexperienced by a rate of 2-1. Younger voters are more likely to call McCain too old. Nearly 50% of voters say that McCain will be a Bush 3rd term, while the same figure say that Obama will bring an excessively liberal, big government solution to our nations problems.
Poll #4
Obama has a 6% lead on John McCain after his mini-surge at being named the Democratic Nominee. He now leads 50-44%. Obama has 81% of Democrats and McCain has 83% of Republicans. 30% of all voters said they can change their vote before election day. Nearly 80% of all voters like McCain's proposal for town hall meetings in place of typical media led debates. The Economy continues to rank as the #1 issue to voters. On which candidate is likely to raise government spending, Obama has nearly 50% of all voters saying he will increase government spending, making him almost twice as likely to expand the size of the Government. Obama is also twice as likely to raise taxes than McCain.
I'm sure the straws you grasp at will become even more frivolous and insane as November draws closer. So, please be sure to reply to this post with even more meaningless filler. Unless of course you want to take your foot out of your mouth long enough to say you were wrongBush's biggest lead was never bigger than 4 points, and he never trailed Kerry. Not sure where your info is coming from, but this is from NBC/WSJ.ETA: OH, and Bush won that presidential election by three percentage points, 51%-48%.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Thank you for returning to 2008
BuddyKnuckles
Footballguy
Don't worry, Spidey cant even find a link to a 2008 poll, let alone one from 2005. They all just mysteriously appear as "facts" in his posts.
I'm still waiting for the mea culpa regarding the lack of a bump? Apparently, in your world Spidey, a bump of 6 pts isnt really a bump at all. Lets not lose sight of the fact that you've failed as a Limbaugh Zombie. You're thinly veiled efforts are amateurish at best, you will now be demoted to AA Ball in the Bush leagues (pun intended). Please pack your things and pick up your bus ticket
I'm still waiting for the mea culpa regarding the lack of a bump? Apparently, in your world Spidey, a bump of 6 pts isnt really a bump at all. Lets not lose sight of the fact that you've failed as a Limbaugh Zombie. You're thinly veiled efforts are amateurish at best, you will now be demoted to AA Ball in the Bush leagues (pun intended). Please pack your things and pick up your bus ticket
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Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Just looked at the InTrade numbers and you're dead on.[/Maurile]Just making a prediction.
Alan Smithee
Footballguy
The USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll numbers cited by Spiderman are correct. First chart here.I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on that one.In a June 3rd, 2005 poll by USA Today/CNN/Gallup, Kerry was winning with 49% of the vote to Bush's 43% of the vote. Bush took the lead permanently on Oct. 14th, and held throughout to victory. Basically, Bush exploded past Kerry after the Convention's in late July/early August and held the lead through until the end except for a couple tied polls.Really?Spiderman said:I wish I could be as intelligent as you, and I'll keep this simple since I wouldn't want to divert you from your crush on Obama, but if you look at historical bump numbers, Obama is getting about 5-7 point jump....Historically speaking, it's been in the 10-13 point range. I stick to my opinion that this was a mini-surge, when compared to history.Poll #1Before the Iowa Primary, Barack Obama was seen as "Liberal" by just 47% of the population. As of today, that number has shifted to 67% of the population, with a full 37% defining him as "very Liberal", a shift that corresponds to Obama's performance in the primaries. The polling data shows a gradual shift in this direction that has not stopped yet. Everyone other than MSNBC will tell you that this is bad news for Obama.
McCain has shifted in the other direction with 31% calling him Conservative in December and 67% today. But just 19% call McCain "Very Conservative" compared to Obama's "Very Liberal" at 37%. McCain is seen as the more moderate of the two candidates at this point, by a large margin.
Poll #2
Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the Presidential race. Nearly 70% said that reporters try to assist their favorite candidate win. Liberals are the least likely to see reporters as advocates for a candidate, while 65% - 17% of Moderates and 83% - 7% of Conservatives felt that this was the case. 68% of voters say a Democrat has gotten the best coverage from the media compared to just 22% saying Republicans have. In the Fall, 44% say reporters will actively try to help Obama while just 13% believe they will try to help McCain. Unaffiliated voters are 3x more likely to understand the media will be biased toward Obama. Of the undecided voters, they were 8x more likely to say Obama will get preferential treatment in the Fall, all but proving that the media will try to influence these voters, but they are expecting bias and will likely be unaffected.
Poll #3
41% of voters nationwide say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, compared to just 30% of voters that feel McCain is too old. Older voters, who historically speaking are those most likely to go to the polls, say Obama is too inexperienced by a rate of 2-1. Younger voters are more likely to call McCain too old. Nearly 50% of voters say that McCain will be a Bush 3rd term, while the same figure say that Obama will bring an excessively liberal, big government solution to our nations problems.
Poll #4
Obama has a 6% lead on John McCain after his mini-surge at being named the Democratic Nominee. He now leads 50-44%. Obama has 81% of Democrats and McCain has 83% of Republicans. 30% of all voters said they can change their vote before election day. Nearly 80% of all voters like McCain's proposal for town hall meetings in place of typical media led debates. The Economy continues to rank as the #1 issue to voters. On which candidate is likely to raise government spending, Obama has nearly 50% of all voters saying he will increase government spending, making him almost twice as likely to expand the size of the Government. Obama is also twice as likely to raise taxes than McCain.I'm sorry, where's the part where you eat crow for previously saying that [paraphrase] "Obama is in trouble since he didnt get a bump in polls after winning the primary" [/paraphrase]
I'm sure the straws you grasp at will become even more frivolous and insane as November draws closer. So, please be sure to reply to this post with even more meaningless filler. Unless of course you want to take your foot out of your mouth long enough to say you were wrongBush's biggest lead was never bigger than 4 points, and he never trailed Kerry. Not sure where your info is coming from, but this is from NBC/WSJ.ETA: OH, and Bush won that presidential election by three percentage points, 51%-48%.
adonis
Footballguy
The numbers might be, but I'm not sure why they were polling in 2005The USA Today/CNN/Gallup poll numbers cited by Spiderman are correct. First chart here.I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on that one.In a June 3rd, 2005 poll by USA Today/CNN/Gallup, Kerry was winning with 49% of the vote to Bush's 43% of the vote. Bush took the lead permanently on Oct. 14th, and held throughout to victory. Basically, Bush exploded past Kerry after the Convention's in late July/early August and held the lead through until the end except for a couple tied polls.Really?Spiderman said:I wish I could be as intelligent as you, and I'll keep this simple since I wouldn't want to divert you from your crush on Obama, but if you look at historical bump numbers, Obama is getting about 5-7 point jump....Historically speaking, it's been in the 10-13 point range. I stick to my opinion that this was a mini-surge, when compared to history.Poll #1Before the Iowa Primary, Barack Obama was seen as "Liberal" by just 47% of the population. As of today, that number has shifted to 67% of the population, with a full 37% defining him as "very Liberal", a shift that corresponds to Obama's performance in the primaries. The polling data shows a gradual shift in this direction that has not stopped yet. Everyone other than MSNBC will tell you that this is bad news for Obama.
McCain has shifted in the other direction with 31% calling him Conservative in December and 67% today. But just 19% call McCain "Very Conservative" compared to Obama's "Very Liberal" at 37%. McCain is seen as the more moderate of the two candidates at this point, by a large margin.
Poll #2
Just 17% of voters nationwide believe that most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the Presidential race. Nearly 70% said that reporters try to assist their favorite candidate win. Liberals are the least likely to see reporters as advocates for a candidate, while 65% - 17% of Moderates and 83% - 7% of Conservatives felt that this was the case. 68% of voters say a Democrat has gotten the best coverage from the media compared to just 22% saying Republicans have. In the Fall, 44% say reporters will actively try to help Obama while just 13% believe they will try to help McCain. Unaffiliated voters are 3x more likely to understand the media will be biased toward Obama. Of the undecided voters, they were 8x more likely to say Obama will get preferential treatment in the Fall, all but proving that the media will try to influence these voters, but they are expecting bias and will likely be unaffected.
Poll #3
41% of voters nationwide say that Obama is too inexperienced to be President, compared to just 30% of voters that feel McCain is too old. Older voters, who historically speaking are those most likely to go to the polls, say Obama is too inexperienced by a rate of 2-1. Younger voters are more likely to call McCain too old. Nearly 50% of voters say that McCain will be a Bush 3rd term, while the same figure say that Obama will bring an excessively liberal, big government solution to our nations problems.
Poll #4
Obama has a 6% lead on John McCain after his mini-surge at being named the Democratic Nominee. He now leads 50-44%. Obama has 81% of Democrats and McCain has 83% of Republicans. 30% of all voters said they can change their vote before election day. Nearly 80% of all voters like McCain's proposal for town hall meetings in place of typical media led debates. The Economy continues to rank as the #1 issue to voters. On which candidate is likely to raise government spending, Obama has nearly 50% of all voters saying he will increase government spending, making him almost twice as likely to expand the size of the Government. Obama is also twice as likely to raise taxes than McCain.
I'm sure the straws you grasp at will become even more frivolous and insane as November draws closer. So, please be sure to reply to this post with even more meaningless filler. Unless of course you want to take your foot out of your mouth long enough to say you were wrongBush's biggest lead was never bigger than 4 points, and he never trailed Kerry. Not sure where your info is coming from, but this is from NBC/WSJ.ETA: OH, and Bush won that presidential election by three percentage points, 51%-48%.
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Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Gore endorsing Obama tonight:
Statorama
Footballguy
It's over Johnny.Just looked at the InTrade numbers and you're dead on.[/Maurile]Just making a prediction.It won't be close.
His bump was small. It was a bump - I'm not arguing that he got a bump, but based upon recent races, it was expected to be 10-13 points.I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh by the way, but I do provide accurate polling information.
adonis
Footballguy
It doesn't matter much to me whether his bump was 6 or 10, so I'm not going to argue the implications of what it was, or what it should've been, but I am curious as to where you get your 10-13 point reference.What recent races are you referring to? Were they similar in length, intensity, and timing as this one? Honestly, just curious how many datapoints were used to get the 10-13 point bump you're talking about, what years you're referencing, and if you had any links to support the claim, I'd be interested in reading them.
Orange Crush
Footballguy
That is a very odd choice, since Doyle was outrageously incompetent in her position as Clinton's campaign manager. She kept the fact that the campaign was hemorraghing money and didn't have anywhere near the amounts coming in to justify the rate of expenditure to herself. A lot was made at the time that Doyle must have been terrified to tell Sen. Clinton the truth, and what kinds of insights that showed into Clinton's personality, temperament, and leadership style.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Coming to Fox chyron: Obama Pimp Slaps Hillary!Sulla said:
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
No kidding. So much has been said about her only qualification was her loyalty to Hillary.Orange Crush said:
NCCommish
Footballguy
My take is she was used as a scapegoat for Clintons problems. Which really didn't change afer she left BTW. That's why the animosity.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Well, any confusion about Hillary as VP has probably ended. That 2% chance is more like 0% today.
NCCommish
Footballguy
And I for one couldn't be any happier.
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
Interestingly, Hillary is laying low, and I think we've already started to move on and forget about her. Give it another two months and we'll be like, "Hillary who?"
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
I could. This was a dumb move. Didn't gain him anything and possibly cost him much. Not the smart play.
Saints-Man
Footballguy
Thanks for the post MT. I was most surprised by
I thought California is fairly solid Democrat territory from a presidential perspective.
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