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Had to dig this beast up from page 6.Barry said yesterday "America is no longer what it could be"What does that mean?
My guess is that he meant that America is facing rough times due to the policies of the last 8 years, 90% of which McCain agreed with and voted for.The deregulation, the lack of oversight, the turning a blind eye to the problems on wall street, and main street, have put our economy in a position where it needs to be bailed out. Where billions of dollars are needed to prevent our economy from completely tanking. This America, on the brink of economic disaster, is not the america we all believe it. But it is the America that Bush, with help from McCain, helped deliver. With their failed policies, with their approaches that leave you, the taxpayers, footing the bill for coorporate greed on wall street, you are all going to pay for it, while the CEO's of these companies walk away will multi-million dollar compensations.President Bush was OK with this. John McCain spent his life fighting against regulation, and he is OK with this. I, Barack Obama, am not. With your help, we can get America back on track to fulfilling its potential. We can sidestep the misguided policies Bush has introduced, that McCain seeks to continue. We can push our country to alternative energies, to smarter regulations, to improved education, and we will overcome this challenge, just like we've overcome challenges in the past. But we do not overcome challenges by voting for the same policies that got us into this trouble in the first place. Those are the policies John McCain represents, who has spent his entire political career nearly campaigning against regulation, who has voted with Bush 90% of the time, and who only two weeks ago said that the economy is fundamentally sound, while just yesterday he said the economy was in such dire need of saving that he was rushing immediately to Washington and suspending his campaign, and delaying the debates, until the problem was solved.It's clear that McCain does not have solutions, as apparently he only found out there was a problem yesterday that was big enough to deserve his attention. Can we afford to wait until he figures out that the policies he's supporting are the same type of failed policies that got us into this situation to begin with? How many more epiphanies on the economy must we wait for John McCain to have before we conclude that he just doesn't get it? That he, as he's said, doesn't really understand the economy? Look, if John McCain had been talking to middle class and working class and small business owners over the course of his campaign, this would not have come as a surprise to him. He would've know people were struggling, that times were rough, that people were being foreclosed on, that jobs were being lost. He would've known that incomes were shrinking, that jobs are drying up, and that all of these things spelled trouble for the economy. If John McCain was listening to the people, he would've spoken out against one of his advisors when he said that the troubles americans were facing were just psychological, and that we were all just a nation of whiners. All of this would not have come as a surprise, if John McCain were listening to the american public.But instead, apparently john was listening to his advisors after all. The american people should put their trust in leaders who listen to the people, who understand the problems they are facing, and do not want to continue more of the same misguided policies that got us to where we are today. I (Obama) am running to restore responsibility to washington, to change these misguided policies so they'll work for the people, to move our country towards renewable energy, to improve education, and to bring structure and reason back to wall street.
 
adonis said:
phthalatemagic said:
Had to dig this beast up from page 6.Barry said yesterday "America is no longer what it could be"What does that mean?
My guess is that he meant that America is facing rough times due to the policies of the last 8 years, 90% of which McCain agreed with and voted for.The deregulation, the lack of oversight, the turning a blind eye to the problems on wall street, and main street, have put our economy in a position where it needs to be bailed out. Where billions of dollars are needed to prevent our economy from completely tanking. This America, on the brink of economic disaster, is not the america we all believe it. But it is the America that Bush, with help from McCain, helped deliver. With their failed policies, with their approaches that leave you, the taxpayers, footing the bill for coorporate greed on wall street, you are all going to pay for it, while the CEO's of these companies walk away will multi-million dollar compensations.President Bush was OK with this. John McCain spent his life fighting against regulation, and he is OK with this. I, Barack Obama, am not. With your help, we can get America back on track to fulfilling its potential. We can sidestep the misguided policies Bush has introduced, that McCain seeks to continue. We can push our country to alternative energies, to smarter regulations, to improved education, and we will overcome this challenge, just like we've overcome challenges in the past. But we do not overcome challenges by voting for the same policies that got us into this trouble in the first place. Those are the policies John McCain represents, who has spent his entire political career nearly campaigning against regulation, who has voted with Bush 90% of the time, and who only two weeks ago said that the economy is fundamentally sound, while just yesterday he said the economy was in such dire need of saving that he was rushing immediately to Washington and suspending his campaign, and delaying the debates, until the problem was solved.It's clear that McCain does not have solutions, as apparently he only found out there was a problem yesterday that was big enough to deserve his attention. Can we afford to wait until he figures out that the policies he's supporting are the same type of failed policies that got us into this situation to begin with? How many more epiphanies on the economy must we wait for John McCain to have before we conclude that he just doesn't get it? That he, as he's said, doesn't really understand the economy? Look, if John McCain had been talking to middle class and working class and small business owners over the course of his campaign, this would not have come as a surprise to him. He would've know people were struggling, that times were rough, that people were being foreclosed on, that jobs were being lost. He would've known that incomes were shrinking, that jobs are drying up, and that all of these things spelled trouble for the economy. If John McCain was listening to the people, he would've spoken out against one of his advisors when he said that the troubles americans were facing were just psychological, and that we were all just a nation of whiners. All of this would not have come as a surprise, if John McCain were listening to the american public.But instead, apparently john was listening to his advisors after all. The american people should put their trust in leaders who listen to the people, who understand the problems they are facing, and do not want to continue more of the same misguided policies that got us to where we are today. I (Obama) am running to restore responsibility to washington, to change these misguided policies so they'll work for the people, to move our country towards renewable energy, to improve education, and to bring structure and reason back to wall street.
Where is this from?
 
adonis said:
phthalatemagic said:
Had to dig this beast up from page 6.Barry said yesterday "America is no longer what it could be"What does that mean?
My guess is that he meant that America is facing rough times due to the policies of the last 8 years, 90% of which McCain agreed with and voted for.The deregulation, the lack of oversight, the turning a blind eye to the problems on wall street, and main street, have put our economy in a position where it needs to be bailed out. Where billions of dollars are needed to prevent our economy from completely tanking. This America, on the brink of economic disaster, is not the america we all believe it. But it is the America that Bush, with help from McCain, helped deliver. With their failed policies, with their approaches that leave you, the taxpayers, footing the bill for coorporate greed on wall street, you are all going to pay for it, while the CEO's of these companies walk away will multi-million dollar compensations.President Bush was OK with this. John McCain spent his life fighting against regulation, and he is OK with this. I, Barack Obama, am not. With your help, we can get America back on track to fulfilling its potential. We can sidestep the misguided policies Bush has introduced, that McCain seeks to continue. We can push our country to alternative energies, to smarter regulations, to improved education, and we will overcome this challenge, just like we've overcome challenges in the past. But we do not overcome challenges by voting for the same policies that got us into this trouble in the first place. Those are the policies John McCain represents, who has spent his entire political career nearly campaigning against regulation, who has voted with Bush 90% of the time, and who only two weeks ago said that the economy is fundamentally sound, while just yesterday he said the economy was in such dire need of saving that he was rushing immediately to Washington and suspending his campaign, and delaying the debates, until the problem was solved.It's clear that McCain does not have solutions, as apparently he only found out there was a problem yesterday that was big enough to deserve his attention. Can we afford to wait until he figures out that the policies he's supporting are the same type of failed policies that got us into this situation to begin with? How many more epiphanies on the economy must we wait for John McCain to have before we conclude that he just doesn't get it? That he, as he's said, doesn't really understand the economy? Look, if John McCain had been talking to middle class and working class and small business owners over the course of his campaign, this would not have come as a surprise to him. He would've know people were struggling, that times were rough, that people were being foreclosed on, that jobs were being lost. He would've known that incomes were shrinking, that jobs are drying up, and that all of these things spelled trouble for the economy. If John McCain was listening to the people, he would've spoken out against one of his advisors when he said that the troubles americans were facing were just psychological, and that we were all just a nation of whiners. All of this would not have come as a surprise, if John McCain were listening to the american public.But instead, apparently john was listening to his advisors after all. The american people should put their trust in leaders who listen to the people, who understand the problems they are facing, and do not want to continue more of the same misguided policies that got us to where we are today. I (Obama) am running to restore responsibility to washington, to change these misguided policies so they'll work for the people, to move our country towards renewable energy, to improve education, and to bring structure and reason back to wall street.
Where is this from?
Me.I wrote it from Barack Obama's perspective, as if he were answering the question. I figured, "why not" if I was going to be asked to speak for him.
 
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Intrade Real Time Quotes

Obama: 56.6

McCain: 42.6

Apparently, the market didn't much like McCain's recent gambit. What will the next few days hold, and more specifically, will there be a debate on Friday?

 
Intrade Real Time Quotes Obama: 56.6McCain: 42.6Apparently, the market didn't much like McCain's recent gambit. What will the next few days hold, and more specifically, will there be a debate on Friday?
Some heartening movement in the swing state polls:
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Colorado 50.2 44.8 Obama +5.4 Ohio 45.1 46.7 McCain +1.6 Florida 45.9 48.0 McCain +2.1 Pennsylvania 47.6 44.1 Obama +3.5 Michigan 48.5 42.8 Obama +5.7 Virginia 46.5 47.3 McCain +0.8
 
adonis said:
phthalatemagic said:
Had to dig this beast up from page 6.Barry said yesterday "America is no longer what it could be"What does that mean?
My guess is that he meant that America is facing rough times due to the policies of the last 8 years, 90% of which McCain agreed with and voted for.The deregulation, the lack of oversight, the turning a blind eye to the problems on wall street, and main street, have put our economy in a position where it needs to be bailed out. Where billions of dollars are needed to prevent our economy from completely tanking. This America, on the brink of economic disaster, is not the america we all believe it. But it is the America that Bush, with help from McCain, helped deliver. With their failed policies, with their approaches that leave you, the taxpayers, footing the bill for coorporate greed on wall street, you are all going to pay for it, while the CEO's of these companies walk away will multi-million dollar compensations.President Bush was OK with this. John McCain spent his life fighting against regulation, and he is OK with this. I, Barack Obama, am not. With your help, we can get America back on track to fulfilling its potential. We can sidestep the misguided policies Bush has introduced, that McCain seeks to continue. We can push our country to alternative energies, to smarter regulations, to improved education, and we will overcome this challenge, just like we've overcome challenges in the past. But we do not overcome challenges by voting for the same policies that got us into this trouble in the first place. Those are the policies John McCain represents, who has spent his entire political career nearly campaigning against regulation, who has voted with Bush 90% of the time, and who only two weeks ago said that the economy is fundamentally sound, while just yesterday he said the economy was in such dire need of saving that he was rushing immediately to Washington and suspending his campaign, and delaying the debates, until the problem was solved.It's clear that McCain does not have solutions, as apparently he only found out there was a problem yesterday that was big enough to deserve his attention. Can we afford to wait until he figures out that the policies he's supporting are the same type of failed policies that got us into this situation to begin with? How many more epiphanies on the economy must we wait for John McCain to have before we conclude that he just doesn't get it? That he, as he's said, doesn't really understand the economy? Look, if John McCain had been talking to middle class and working class and small business owners over the course of his campaign, this would not have come as a surprise to him. He would've know people were struggling, that times were rough, that people were being foreclosed on, that jobs were being lost. He would've known that incomes were shrinking, that jobs are drying up, and that all of these things spelled trouble for the economy. If John McCain was listening to the people, he would've spoken out against one of his advisors when he said that the troubles americans were facing were just psychological, and that we were all just a nation of whiners. All of this would not have come as a surprise, if John McCain were listening to the american public.But instead, apparently john was listening to his advisors after all. The american people should put their trust in leaders who listen to the people, who understand the problems they are facing, and do not want to continue more of the same misguided policies that got us to where we are today. I (Obama) am running to restore responsibility to washington, to change these misguided policies so they'll work for the people, to move our country towards renewable energy, to improve education, and to bring structure and reason back to wall street.
So you're saying you don't think it's about time travel?
 
Let's not get complacent folks, it's a long way to November 4 and a ton of stuff could change things quickly. We need to build on this momentum. I have a strong belief that the racism thing is going to end up making this contest pretty close despite the current numbers. Keep working the campaign folks - every electoral vote is going to count.

 
Let's not get complacent folks, it's a long way to November 4 and a ton of stuff could change things quickly. We need to build on this momentum. I have a strong belief that the racism thing is going to end up making this contest pretty close despite the current numbers. Keep working the campaign folks - every electoral vote is going to count.
:lmao:
 
Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism On Schools

By STANLEY KURTZ

The Wall Street Journal

Despite having authored two autobiographies, Barack Obama has never written about his most important executive experience. From 1995 to 1999, he led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.

The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.

The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I've recently spent days looking through them.

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago's public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation's other key body, the "Collaborative," which shaped education policy.

The CAC's basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.

One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's "recruitment" to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.

The CAC's agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers's educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland's ghetto.

In works like "City Kids, City Teachers" and "Teaching the Personal and the Political," Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? "I'm a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist," Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk's, "Sixties Radicals," at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.

CAC translated Mr. Ayers's radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with "external partners," which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).

Mr. Obama once conducted "leadership training" seminars with Acorn, and Acorn members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama's early campaigns. External partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education. CAC's in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement.

CAC also funded programs designed to promote "leadership" among parents. Ostensibly this was to enable parents to advocate on behalf of their children's education. In practice, it meant funding Mr. Obama's alma mater, the Developing Communities Project, to recruit parents to its overall political agenda. CAC records show that board member Arnold Weber was concerned that parents "organized" by community groups might be viewed by school principals "as a political threat." Mr. Obama arranged meetings with the Collaborative to smooth out Mr. Weber's objections.

The Daley documents show that Mr. Ayers sat as an ex-officio member of the board Mr. Obama chaired through CAC's first year. He also served on the board's governance committee with Mr. Obama, and worked with him to craft CAC bylaws. Mr. Ayers made presentations to board meetings chaired by Mr. Obama. Mr. Ayers spoke for the Collaborative before the board. Likewise, Mr. Obama periodically spoke for the board at meetings of the Collaborative.

The Obama campaign notes that Mr. Ayers attended only six board meetings, and stresses that the Collaborative lost its "operational role" at CAC after the first year. Yet the Collaborative was demoted to a strictly advisory role largely because of ethical concerns, since the projects of Collaborative members were receiving grants. CAC's own evaluators noted that project accountability was hampered by the board's reluctance to break away from grant decisions made in 1995. So even after Mr. Ayers's formal sway declined, the board largely adhered to the grant program he had put in place.

Mr. Ayers's defenders claim that he has redeemed himself with public-spirited education work. That claim is hard to swallow if you understand that he views his education work as an effort to stoke resistance to an oppressive American system. He likes to stress that he learned of his first teaching job while in jail for a draft-board sit-in. For Mr. Ayers, teaching and his 1960s radicalism are two sides of the same coin.

Mr. Ayers is the founder of the "small schools" movement (heavily funded by CAC), in which individual schools built around specific political themes push students to "confront issues of inequity, war, and violence." He believes teacher education programs should serve as "sites of resistance" to an oppressive system. (His teacher-training programs were also CAC funded.) The point, says Mr. Ayers in his "Teaching Toward Freedom," is to "teach against oppression," against America's history of evil and racism, thereby forcing social transformation.

The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming "guilt by association." Yet the issue here isn't guilt by association; it's guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago.

I hope the McCain camp brings this to light

 
At least we've found out one thing that Obama and GW Bush have in common
Interesting article, but what does it have to do with Obama?
Ahmadinejad is Obama's BFF. Destruction of Israel is A-OK with both Bush and Obama it appears.
Congratulations you are now in KAA territory.
Guess I'm just too tired and have too many friends that are Jewish to have my "posting regulator" on.Sorry, I just get a little emotional when a dictator that threatens to wipe an entire population of people off the map is embraced in this country by Obama's "Code Pink" supporters.

 
At least we've found out one thing that Obama and GW Bush have in common
Interesting article, but what does it have to do with Obama?
Ahmadinejad is Obama's BFF. Destruction of Israel is A-OK with both Bush and Obama it appears.
Congratulations you are now in KAA territory.
Wow, what happened in here? Where did all the :useless: go?
Allowing the second holocaust to occur right in front of our eyes and not doing anything to help stop it makes me grumpy.
 
At least we've found out one thing that Obama and GW Bush have in common
Interesting article, but what does it have to do with Obama?
Ahmadinejad is Obama's BFF. Destruction of Israel is A-OK with both Bush and Obama it appears.
Congratulations you are now in KAA territory.
Wow, what happened in here? Where did all the :lmao: go?
I've surmised that Stat is a little bipolar. Don't worry, he'll be back on the upswing tomorrow. :lmao:
 
At least we've found out one thing that Obama and GW Bush have in common
Interesting article, but what does it have to do with Obama?
Ahmadinejad is Obama's BFF. Destruction of Israel is A-OK with both Bush and Obama it appears.
Congratulations you are now in KAA territory.
Wow, what happened in here? Where did all the :headbang: go?
Allowing the second holocaust to occur right in front of our eyes and not doing anything to help stop it makes me grumpy.
But what does that have to do with Obama?
 
At least we've found out one thing that Obama and GW Bush have in common
Interesting article, but what does it have to do with Obama?
Ahmadinejad is Obama's BFF. Destruction of Israel is A-OK with both Bush and Obama it appears.
Congratulations you are now in KAA territory.
Wow, what happened in here? Where did all the :headbang: go?
I've surmised that Stat is a little bipolar. Don't worry, he'll be back on the upswing tomorrow. :thumbup:
I hope so because I was starting to find it pretty amusing.Get a new carborator for the Straight Talk Express Stat, see you in the A.M. :thumbup:

 
At least we've found out one thing that Obama and GW Bush have in common
Interesting article, but what does it have to do with Obama?
Ahmadinejad is Obama's BFF. Destruction of Israel is A-OK with both Bush and Obama it appears.
Congratulations you are now in KAA territory.
Wow, what happened in here? Where did all the :rolleyes: go?
Allowing the second holocaust to occur right in front of our eyes and not doing anything to help stop it makes me grumpy.
Holy crap, you're a complete loon.I thought the Palin stuff was just shtick...apparently you're actually certifiably insane.

 
I have to admit, I am becoming concerned about Obama's ability to be fiscally responsible. Just for comparison's sake, can anyone describe how Bush was fiscally irresponsible? I mean, besides the war, what did Bush spend so much on? How did he run up the deficit? How will Obama be different?

Signed,

Koncerned in Kentucky
Dear Koncerned in Kentucky,You are right to be Koncerned. Bush signed off on a bunch of big government spending deals, including No Child Left Behind, a major boodoogle which didn't work. The only thing that saved Bush (temporarily at least) were the tax cuts, since it generated much more revenue, as tax cuts always do. With Obama you will get government programs that will make Bush's seem small by comparison, except with tax increases as well.

Yours truly,

Anxious in America
XThanks for playing though.

McCain's line and the facts
FactCheck.org found to have ties to Obama
 
Good lord - are you posting the same thing in every thread now? Sheesh.
There were just so many threads where the poster used this arm of the Obama PR machine as a crutch for their "facts", that I felt it was important to set the record straight.
Does linking to some guy's poorly supported blog posts make you feel better? Because I don't think anyone's taking this seriously except you - and for good reason.
 
Posted this in the poll thread...

Voted draw, but the thing is that Obama wasn't really going against McCain as he was going against all the preconceptions/insecurities about him that people held. And on knowledge of the issues and preparedness and understanding people's problems, he pretty much knocked it out of the park.

And despite McCain's incessant references to Obama being naive and not understanding the issues, it was clear that wasn't the case.

Here's the results of a CBS poll of uncommitted voters...some huge gains by Obama in pretty much every category.

Poll results

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PostQ7. Now that the debate is over, do you think Barack Obama…[b]Understands the needs and problems of people like you?After Debate					   Before DebateYes		  79%						58%No		   21							40Would make the right decisions about the war in Iraq?Yes		  48							44No		   51							53Is prepared for the job of President?Yes		  60						   44No			39						  53Has made it clear what he would do as President?Yes		   65						 37No			35						 61Would make the right decisions about the economy?Yes			66No			 33PostQ8.[b] If the 2008 presidential election were being held today would you vote for…?John McCain and Sarah Palin		  29		   34Barack Obama and Joe Biden		   41		   36Other								1			 1Depends/Undecided					29			29
 
I was very pleased with the debate last night, as an Obama supporter and an American. I was pleased to see McCain's performance on foreign policy issues as an American, as I was impressed with how well he did.

Obama clearly benefited from the first half of the debate being about the economy. That's his strong point, he's received so much preparation for that kind of debate as it's what Democrats talk about most, and he had a strong showing. The second half of the debate, the best thing that could be said is that he showed that he belonged, that he understood the challenges, that he could defend his positions and hold his own against a veteran of the senate. He didn't score any huge points, imo, but he didn't have to. His main win was in convincing people that he was qualified, who before thought that he wasn't. He didn't have to make McCain look bad to do that.

McCain, looked pretty terrible on the economic issues. He did. He focused on earmarks and pork spending, when americans today don't care about that much at all. They care about what the president is going to do for them, how he's going to focus on helping the american people out, and Obama had that message, while McCain was off focusing on pork barrel spending and tax cuts for the rich and companies. Obama beat him very badly on this issue, imo, and I only see worse coming for John McCain when the entire debate is on the economy.

Overall, I don't think anyone particularly "won" the debate, but that's not all that happened there. Each candidate was playing against the publics perception of the candidate, so its' important to figure out how a candidate did at the debate, compared to how the public thought they'd do, and on almost all counts, I think Obama came in far about what people expected from him. He was strong, he stared down McCain when McCain wouldn't even look at him, he talked about the middle class, he wouldn't be spoken over, although he wasn't abrasive, he had a command of the issues, was on top of everything, didn't say "uhh" and "umm" a lot, didn't go into lecture mode, had very specific "here is what needs to be done, and these are the 4 steps I'm going to take...1) blah 2) blah". He was just forceful, dignified, and on top of it.

McCain showed himself as being capable of being president, being on top of the issues, and he got a spark of life when the convo finally shifted to foreign policy, but his constant avoidance of looking at Obama, his repeated comments where he says "Obama fails to understand" or otherwise implies a lack of understanding on Obama's part, which was clearly not the case, just further combined to make him look bad. He kept his temper in check most of the time, said too often that he was a Maverick, and didn't win "ms congeniality" in the senate, and just otherwise didn't come across all that well, aside from being on top of the issues.

With McCain, I was really enjoying listening to his stories. I feel like the country has a lot to learn from him, specificaly on foreign policy issues and maybe even on military tactics. I think his understanding of many issues is very good, however, I think Obama has better vision for where we need to go. I think McCain is a bit more myopic in his areas of experience than Obama is, and that's not all that great of a quality for a leader.

Overall, I think Obama gains the most from this debate, and certainly next week, with the VP debate, biden has an excellent chance to differentiate himself from Palin, for whom, expectations couldn't be much lower. It'll be interesting, to say the least.

 
Overall, I think Obama gains the most from this debate, and certainly next week, with the VP debate, biden has an excellent chance to differentiate himself from Palin, for whom, expectations couldn't be much lower. It'll be interesting, to say the least.
I'm not sure if you'll agree, but I think that next Thursday may be the most important debate of the entire election. I believe that there will be an extraordinary number of people watching this VP debate and it could be a turning point in the election. As you said, there are NO expectations for Palin going into this debate. That scares me. If she actually comes out and outperforms Biden that changes the dynamic of the race for at least a week.However, if Biden comes out and gets the job done (like I think he will) this election is over IMO. Obama is starting to pull away and I don't see any game changers to put a stop to it (barring a major gaffe).

 
Overall, I think Obama gains the most from this debate, and certainly next week, with the VP debate, biden has an excellent chance to differentiate himself from Palin, for whom, expectations couldn't be much lower. It'll be interesting, to say the least.
I'm not sure if you'll agree, but I think that next Thursday may be the most important debate of the entire election. I believe that there will be an extraordinary number of people watching this VP debate and it could be a turning point in the election. As you said, there are NO expectations for Palin going into this debate. That scares me. If she actually comes out and outperforms Biden that changes the dynamic of the race for at least a week.However, if Biden comes out and gets the job done (like I think he will) this election is over IMO. Obama is starting to pull away and I don't see any game changers to put a stop to it (barring a major gaffe).
This election will be a close one, I still believe, and it will be won by a few percentage points. I think Obama did well enough last night to have an uptick of about 1%, convincing enough undecideds to lean his way for the time being. From now, until the election, the decideds on either side will be unlikely to change their minds..it's the independents and undecideds that will swing things one way or another, and as of now, McCain needs a big shift in those groups to compete. His performance last night will not give that to him.

Obama outperformed the expectations of those groups, and in my opinion, that will make many of them lean his way, while at worst, keeping the rest of them undecided. I'm not sure the VP debate will have as much as a swing to it, as I don't think Biden, if he does well, will swing too many undecideds to Obama, but I think a little lean is possible, whereas Palin has done so poorly to this point, that even an OK performance on her part will be seen as a positive outcome for her, and make people a little more comfortable with the McCain/Palin ticket which should help McCain.

Overall, the presidential debates will move sentiment more, either way, but the VP debate has the possibility of allowing people to feel more comfortable shifting one way or another. It's like the gate...and so far, Palin's presence and performance has hindered many undecideds from going McCain/Palin.

 
I thought McCain did pretty well. Obama was very strong, but I expected that.

I think McCain makes a mistake telling Obama that he doesn't understand something. McCain several times said, "What Senator Obama doesn't understand is...". I think that McCain's handlers need to make sure McCain doesn't say that ever again. McCain's strength is that he comes across as experienced and very paternal. But if he comes across as pedantic and condescending, that may turn some people off.

 

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