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***OFFICIAL*** Boardwalk Empire thread (1 Viewer)

Good Posting Judge said:
False Start said:
Just saw that this season will be its last. WTF? Yeah don't let awards and ratings get in the way of how suits run things. Guess HBO needs to make more room for shows like Girls, Ja'mie, Getting On and Looking while cancelling Newsroom, Boardwalk and Hello Ladies. What people are entertained by now and days is rather lame.

Speaking of cancel, looks like I can cancel HBO after the final season of Newsroom and Boardwalk now and since I do not believe the next season of True Detective will live up to this past season.

Vent over.
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Shows like Girls and Looking are inexpensive. Practically nobody watched Looking, but I think the last season cost about $20.

Never saw Hello Ladies, but I heard it stunk. I'm bummed about BE too, but it's an expensive show to put on.
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The thing about BE is they are only scratching the surface. The audience will never tire of mob stories. Their are so many storylines to run with. You could do whole seasons on Capone, Lucciano, Lansky and Rothstein.

I like Buscemi but this show should have been bigger. He did a fine job but I think another actor could have raised the series to another level. He never broke through to the public like Gandolfini, Cranston or Hamm did. Talking some of the greatest shows ever I know. But I think BE got the least out of what they had and Buscemi's appeal/persona is a large factor in that.

 
Daywalker said:
"Good said:
False Start said:
Just saw that this season will be its last. WTF? Yeah don't let awards and ratings get in the way of how suits run things. Guess HBO needs to make more room for shows like Girls, Ja'mie, Getting On and Looking while cancelling Newsroom, Boardwalk and Hello Ladies. What people are entertained by now and days is rather lame.

Speaking of cancel, looks like I can cancel HBO after the final season of Newsroom and Boardwalk now and since I do not believe the next season of True Detective will live up to this past season.

Vent over.
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Shows like Girls and Looking are inexpensive. Practically nobody watched Looking, but I think the last season cost about $20.

Never saw Hello Ladies, but I heard it stunk. I'm bummed about BE too, but it's an expensive show to put on.
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The thing about BE is they are only scratching the surface. The audience will never tire of mob stories. Their are so many storylines to run with. You could do whole seasons on Capone, Lucciano, Lansky and Rothstein. I like Buscemi but this show should have been bigger. He did a fine job but I think another actor could have raised the series to another level. He never broke through to the public like Gandolfini, Cranston or Hamm did. Talking some of the greatest shows ever I know. But I think BE got the least out of what they had and Buscemi's appeal/persona is a large factor in that.
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Nucky's brother or the guy playing Van Alden should have got the lead, would have made the show 100x better.

 
strykerpks said:
It's ok. The show needs to die a good death. People have been #####ing about it since Jimmy died. It's time.
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I still think that was the shows biggest mistake killing him off, it has lacked something since. But that a show is still great even though it lacks something still speaks volume about it's capabilities.

 
Ilov80s said:
Daywalker said:
"Good said:
False Start said:
Just saw that this season will be its last. WTF? Yeah don't let awards and ratings get in the way of how suits run things. Guess HBO needs to make more room for shows like Girls, Ja'mie, Getting On and Looking while cancelling Newsroom, Boardwalk and Hello Ladies. What people are entertained by now and days is rather lame.

Speaking of cancel, looks like I can cancel HBO after the final season of Newsroom and Boardwalk now and since I do not believe the next season of True Detective will live up to this past season.

Vent over.
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Shows like Girls and Looking are inexpensive. Practically nobody watched Looking, but I think the last season cost about $20.

Never saw Hello Ladies, but I heard it stunk. I'm bummed about BE too, but it's an expensive show to put on.
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The thing about BE is they are only scratching the surface. The audience will never tire of mob stories. Their are so many storylines to run with. You could do whole seasons on Capone, Lucciano, Lansky and Rothstein. I like Buscemi but this show should have been bigger. He did a fine job but I think another actor could have raised the series to another level. He never broke through to the public like Gandolfini, Cranston or Hamm did. Talking some of the greatest shows ever I know. But I think BE got the least out of what they had and Buscemi's appeal/persona is a large factor in that.
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Nucky's brother or the guy playing Van Alden should have got the lead, would have made the show 100x better.
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Buscemi made the series, I have to disagree with you there. Buscemi didnt have to break through, he was already a pretty big name before the series unlike Gandolfini, Cranston and Hamm were. Not taking anything away from those fellas, just validating Buscemi as a star.

 
Do you mean made the series as in was the reason HBO invested so much or that he made the show with his performance? I think he is borderline awful in the role.

 
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I think the choice of storylines killed the show the last 2 seasons. There's so much material there, and it was wasted. I can't knock any performance really at all.

 
Ilov80s said:
Do you mean made the series as in was the reason HBO invested so much or that he made the show with his performance? I think he is borderline awful in the role.
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Although I generally like Buscemi, there are many better performances in this show.

Off the top of my head:

Chalky (Emmy worthy)

Harrow (Emmy worthy)

Jimmy

Van Alden

Rothstein

Capone

Luciano

Eli (maybe)

Gillian

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I think the choice of storylines killed the show the last 2 seasons. There's so much material there, and it was wasted. I can't knock any performance really at all.
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What was wrong with season 3? Gyp over the top? He actually won an Emmy for that role.

Season 4 was definitely subpar.

 
RBM said:
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I think the choice of storylines killed the show the last 2 seasons. There's so much material there, and it was wasted. I can't knock any performance really at all.
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What was wrong with season 3? Gyp over the top? He actually won an Emmy for that role.
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I'm not sure that makes your case as much as it proves once again that Emmy voters are dumb.

 
I think it's time for this show to be put to sleep. There's really no coherent thread throughout all the seasons. Show could have used an obsessive runner like Gilligan or that Mad Men psycho. You can really tell the difference.

 
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False Start said:
Ilov80s said:
Daywalker said:
"Good said:
False Start said:
Just saw that this season will be its last. WTF? Yeah don't let awards and ratings get in the way of how suits run things. Guess HBO needs to make more room for shows like Girls, Ja'mie, Getting On and Looking while cancelling Newsroom, Boardwalk and Hello Ladies. What people are entertained by now and days is rather lame.

Speaking of cancel, looks like I can cancel HBO after the final season of Newsroom and Boardwalk now and since I do not believe the next season of True Detective will live up to this past season.

Vent over.
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Shows like Girls and Looking are inexpensive. Practically nobody watched Looking, but I think the last season cost about $20.

Never saw Hello Ladies, but I heard it stunk. I'm bummed about BE too, but it's an expensive show to put on.
Click to expand...
The thing about BE is they are only scratching the surface. The audience will never tire of mob stories. Their are so many storylines to run with. You could do whole seasons on Capone, Lucciano, Lansky and Rothstein. I like Buscemi but this show should have been bigger. He did a fine job but I think another actor could have raised the series to another level. He never broke through to the public like Gandolfini, Cranston or Hamm did. Talking some of the greatest shows ever I know. But I think BE got the least out of what they had and Buscemi's appeal/persona is a large factor in that.
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Nucky's brother or the guy playing Van Alden should have got the lead, would have made the show 100x better.
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Buscemi made the series, I have to disagree with you there. Buscemi didnt have to break through, he was already a pretty big name before the series unlike Gandolfini, Cranston and Hamm were. Not taking anything away from those fellas, just validating Buscemi as a star.
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Buscemi was a bit player before and still is. A fine actor. But don't think he can carry a series. Gary Oldman would have been perfect. Gandolfini just did a romantic comedy with JLD and it worked. Buscemi cannot do that.

Would like to see the the numbers but I bet BE skews way too heavily on male viewers. With the right lead that may have been different. Even Spacey not having that problem with House of Cards. Albeit he is in a different class of actors then Buscemi. Not all looks. Buscemi is kind of meek-looking. Just didn't work for the masses. I enjoyed it but not surprised it never took off.

 
Buscemi is an ugly piece of cardboard. No presence, no charisma, no humor, no menace, nothing. The show is fantastic, but a show has to have a charismatic lead that audiences can gravitate to. Michael Pitt filled that role, but once Jimmy's story ended, there was a hole. Buscemi would have been great as a role player in the show, but he doesn't work as the face/heart/soul the way Gandolfini, Hamm, Dinklage, Chiklis,Cranston, were. Think about how great Gandolfini was, he made you want to be him even tho he was a fat slob. Dinklage is a dwarf and yet we feel envious of how awesome he is. I doubt anyone saw Nucky and wished to be more like him.

 
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Ilov80s said:
Buscemi is an ugly piece of cardboard. No presence, no charisma, no humor, no menace, nothing. The show is fantastic, but a show has to have a charismatic lead that audiences can gravitate to. Michael Pitt filled that role, but once Jimmy's story ended, there was a hole. Buscemi would have been great as a role player in the show, but he doesn't work as the face/heart/soul the way Gandolfini, Hamm, Dinklage, Chiklis,Cranston, were. Think about how great Gandolfini was, he made you want to be him even tho he was a fat slob. Dinklage is a dwarf and yet we feel envious of how awesome he is. I doubt anyone saw Nucky and wished to be more like him.
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people DO love me

 
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Wingnut said:
I've been seeing the guy who plays Eli in a bunch of movies lately.
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Yeah...saw him in American Hustle and the Liam Neeson airplane flick. And the other day I watched Silver Linings Playbook again and was reminded he was in that too.

 
I'm gonna tread lightly ;) with reading responses to this since I want to avoid spoilers, but I just finished Season 1, and I liked it a lot. Definitely gonna keep watching until I am caught up. My thoughts so far:

-It was a little confusing at first, since there were so many characters, many of whom seemed to show up randomly, but I eventually got the gist of who was who. :lol:

-I like the Val Alden character a lot. Now that he has murdered his partner and left the bureau, I can't wait to see where they go next with him.

-I thought it was odd how Lucy was just sort of fazed out in regards to her relationship with Nucky. I mean, you knew Nucky and Margaret were gonna get together sooner rather than later, but it was like, boom, Lucy was just out of the picture. I didn't expect a soap opera-like breakup, but it was just odd how that was shown to us.

-Buscemi is as great as ever.

-I lost track of how many actors from this were also in the Sopranos. :lol:

-The actor who plays Jimmy reminds me a lot of DiCaprio, and I get a Tony/Chrissy feel from his relationship with Nucky.

-I was shocked at how explicit some of the sex scenes were. The gal that plays Jimmy's mom was niiiice.

 
Time jumps are nothing new for Boardwalk Empire, but if Michael K. Williams is to be believed, the show’s upcoming fifth and final season could have its most disorienting—and dismaying—fast-forward yet. “The storyline has jumped seven years [into the future], which is why I have the beard now,” Williams said at a recent press junket attended by Den Of Geek. “The Depression has set in. The days of the shiny shoes and fancy suits are long gone.” And while a leap from the Roaring Twenties of 1924 into the downtrodden days of 1931 could be exciting for hip, heritage-obsessed Brooklynites who have been waiting to revive the wearing-barrels-with-suspenders trend, it could be a little disappointing for aficionados of gangster lore.By 1931, for one thing, Arnold Rothstein was long dead, thus robbing Boardwalk Empire of one of its most entertaining elements: scenes of Michael Stuhlbarg barely tolerating meetings. It would also mean skipping past the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre and other famous road bumps along Al Capone’s rise to power, throwing us right into the oft-dramatized year he was prosecuted for tax evasion. Most importantly, it would mean not covering the landmark Atlantic City Conference of 1929, denying viewers the one major, mob-defining event that seemingly all of Boardwalk Empire has been building toward, as well as giving us Capone throwing paintings at Nucky Thompson. That’s certainly a lot to just gloss over. Indeed, why stop there? Why not jump to Boardwalk Empire 2525, to the year that Nucky’s cloned brain is implanted inside a rather frail-looking robot to run the space-boardwalk of Saturn City, which he spends most of his days trying to get out of?

So maybe it’s possible that Williams wasn’t saying the season will begin seven years later, but that it will inevitably end up there—which would certainly make a lot more sense. Otherwise, yes, depression is definitely setting in, a lot sooner than expected.
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Raider Nation said:
Time jumps are nothing new for Boardwalk Empire, but if Michael K. Williams is to be believed, the show’s upcoming fifth and final season could have its most disorienting—and dismaying—fast-forward yet. “The storyline has jumped seven years [into the future], which is why I have the beard now,” Williams said at a recent press junket attended by Den Of Geek. “The Depression has set in. The days of the shiny shoes and fancy suits are long gone.” And while a leap from the Roaring Twenties of 1924 into the downtrodden days of 1931 could be exciting for hip, heritage-obsessed Brooklynites who have been waiting to revive the wearing-barrels-with-suspenders trend, it could be a little disappointing for aficionados of gangster lore.By 1931, for one thing, Arnold Rothstein was long dead, thus robbing Boardwalk Empire of one of its most entertaining elements: scenes of Michael Stuhlbarg barely tolerating meetings. It would also mean skipping past the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre and other famous road bumps along Al Capone’s rise to power, throwing us right into the oft-dramatized year he was prosecuted for tax evasion. Most importantly, it would mean not covering the landmark Atlantic City Conference of 1929, denying viewers the one major, mob-defining event that seemingly all of Boardwalk Empire has been building toward, as well as giving us Capone throwing paintings at Nucky Thompson. That’s certainly a lot to just gloss over. Indeed, why stop there? Why not jump to Boardwalk Empire 2525, to the year that Nucky’s cloned brain is implanted inside a rather frail-looking robot to run the space-boardwalk of Saturn City, which he spends most of his days trying to get out of?

So maybe it’s possible that Williams wasn’t saying the season will begin seven years later, but that it will inevitably end up there—which would certainly make a lot more sense. Otherwise, yes, depression is definitely setting in, a lot sooner than expected.
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:wall:

If this is true I think it shows how bad a spot the writers of this show put themselves in the past few seasons.

If they were going to pull a stunt like this they should have fast forwarded after the death of Jimmy to the St Valentines day massacre. Instead they just massacred the writing and wasted out time with "the children" and "gyp".

 
The Ref said:
Raider Nation said:
Time jumps are nothing new for Boardwalk Empire, but if Michael K. Williams is to be believed, the show’s upcoming fifth and final season could have its most disorienting—and dismaying—fast-forward yet. “The storyline has jumped seven years [into the future], which is why I have the beard now,” Williams said at a recent press junket attended by Den Of Geek. “The Depression has set in. The days of the shiny shoes and fancy suits are long gone.” And while a leap from the Roaring Twenties of 1924 into the downtrodden days of 1931 could be exciting for hip, heritage-obsessed Brooklynites who have been waiting to revive the wearing-barrels-with-suspenders trend, it could be a little disappointing for aficionados of gangster lore.By 1931, for one thing, Arnold Rothstein was long dead, thus robbing Boardwalk Empire of one of its most entertaining elements: scenes of Michael Stuhlbarg barely tolerating meetings. It would also mean skipping past the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre and other famous road bumps along Al Capone’s rise to power, throwing us right into the oft-dramatized year he was prosecuted for tax evasion. Most importantly, it would mean not covering the landmark Atlantic City Conference of 1929, denying viewers the one major, mob-defining event that seemingly all of Boardwalk Empire has been building toward, as well as giving us Capone throwing paintings at Nucky Thompson. That’s certainly a lot to just gloss over. Indeed, why stop there? Why not jump to Boardwalk Empire 2525, to the year that Nucky’s cloned brain is implanted inside a rather frail-looking robot to run the space-boardwalk of Saturn City, which he spends most of his days trying to get out of?

So maybe it’s possible that Williams wasn’t saying the season will begin seven years later, but that it will inevitably end up there—which would certainly make a lot more sense. Otherwise, yes, depression is definitely setting in, a lot sooner than expected.
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:wall:

If this is true I think it shows how bad a spot the writers of this show put themselves in the past few seasons.

If they were going to pull a stunt like this they should have fast forwarded after the death of Jimmy to the St Valentines day massacre. Instead they just massacred the writing and wasted out time with "the children" and "gyp".
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HBO pulled the plug on them. They probably thought they had 7 seasons, instead they have 5. The perils of doing an expensive period show.

 
Between reading that and remembering how bad most of last season was, very disappointed.

####### Narcisse

 
RBM said:
Between reading that and remembering how bad most of last season was, very disappointed.

####### Narcisse
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Think about all the crap we sat though the past two seasons that could have been spent on the St Valentines day massacre.

Narcisse

Gyp

"The Children"

The Ron Livingston project

Florida

Elis Son and his college years

The Chalky White Family

The FBI, staring #### Edgar Hover

Who are we not going to see?

Al Capone

A Rothstien

Michael Shannon

Lucky Luciano

Myer Lansky

All the good characters you want to see but were being held back for the above BS.

Potential for this last season to be worse then HBO blowing up deadwood for john from Cinci.

 
Okay, I glossed over some of those posts, so as not to read spoilers, but I am only through Season 1, and have to ask: does the show go downhill? I don't want to invest all of this time into watching more of it if it turns to ####.

 
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Season 2 seems pretty great thus far, five episodes in.

And I know I can't be the only one who finds Gretchen Mol to be sexy as hell. :wub:

 
Interesting. I'm really pissed HBO axed this. I thought it peaked in S2, but I thought S3 and S4 were still really good.

 
I'll be finished with this season within a day or two, so just hold off.

Something seems off with Jimmy and his mom, though. It's like she's his adviser now or something, but I thought her and Nucky got along well. Considering the hatred she has for the commodore, in light of us finding out about how he raped her, I wonder what game she is playing here.

 
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