***OFFICIAL*** Boardwalk Empire thread (1 Viewer)

[Gr00vus]

Were this real life, Chalky would have absolutely given up Nucky. He always treated Chalky like crap, being dismissive and talking down to him.

I dont agree. I think if you look at the upside of what Chalky can get out of this it is going to be higher with Nucky than anyone else because they already have a relationship established. You think there is any way any of the other players would give him Babette's old spot? No way.

I bet if he gave Nucky to Gyp on the condition he got Babette's spot, Gyp would agree. Whether Gyp would hold to the bargain is another question.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Were this real life, Chalky would have absolutely given up Nucky. He always treated Chalky like crap, being dismissive and talking down to him.

I dont agree. I think if you look at the upside of what Chalky can get out of this it is going to be higher with Nucky than anyone else because they already have a relationship established. You think there is any way any of the other players would give him Babette's old spot? No way.

I bet if he gave Nucky to Gyp on the condition he got Babette's spot, Gyp would agree. Whether Gyp would hold to the bargain is another question.

There is no doubt Gyp would kill Chalkie for correcting him on some small tidbit.

 

[The Captain]

That shovel scene was repulsive.

And now the Irishman is dead? What's the one thing a show with few sympathetic characters should never do? Kill off one of the few remaining good characters.

no clue why they keep killing off the few likable characters. Guess Richard harrow is next

They're all involved in a dangerous business. People die. Would you rather they pulled punches and kept characters alive with completely inexplicable logic? (looking at you, Sons of Anarchy)

You say "realism" I say the show has very little new ideas other than killing people.

Been following what's been going on in Mexico over the last two decades?

Yes. I've also read a lot about the Holocaust. What does that have to do with this show jumping the shark?

Seriously? You were more into Jimmy's wife's art or what?

To me, having the nuts to kill Jimmy is the core of this show's greatness. And they have done an incredible job of recovering from his exit.

Fixed.

Jimmy had to go, and there are more than enough awesome characters both real and fictional to keep the show strong. Between Val Alden, Harrow, Chalky, Rothstein, Capone...I mean jeez what more could you want?

There's about to be one less awesome character after this week.

 

[gump]

I haven't been in this thread in a while because I was a few episodes behind. I finally caught up this weekend and this AM.Most of this season has been a And Gyp is the worst character I can recall in a show I actually like.Now with that being said, this last episode was the best of the season. I kept waiting for the writers to bring New York even closer to the AC story and they sort of did that, but bringing Chicago into the fold plus bringing the "other side AKA Chalky" into the forefront of the story might just save this show yet. As an added bonus they finally got Van Alden in front of Al. Looking forward to a big finish next week.

Yes to all of this. Gyp is a terrible, one-note-Johnny character. Contrast Gyp with his boss - a character that is very intimidating despite not having committed one act of on-screen violence.

I thought Gyp was made the way he was to contrast the gangsters we mostly haven't heard of with the ones we have.

 

[gump]

I love the scenes and decisions made between Lansky and Lucky...especially considering one became the most powerful gangster ever and the other was his top advisor.

 

[Carver]

I haven't been in this thread in a while because I was a few episodes behind. I finally caught up this weekend and this AM.

Most of this season has been a



And Gyp is the worst character I can recall in a show I actually like.

Now with that being said, this last episode was the best of the season. I kept waiting for the writers to bring New York even closer to the AC story and they sort of did that, but bringing Chicago into the fold plus bringing the "other side AKA Chalky" into the forefront of the story might just save this show yet. As an added bonus they finally got Van Alden in front of Al.

Looking forward to a big finish next week.

Put me in that small group (very small) that love this character. He's a psycho comedic gangster with a gun and I can't wait to see him die!

Im in this group as well. I love it that he can lose it at any minute.

 

[Carver]

Prediction..

Gyp's #2 will be the one to kill him on orders from "Joe the Boss".

There's a reason they brought on his cousin just long enough for Gyp to Murder him and drop the "You owe me" line.

I think that Rothstein will find a way to squash the beef between Nucky and Masseria.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I haven't been in this thread in a while because I was a few episodes behind. I finally caught up this weekend and this AM.

Most of this season has been a



And Gyp is the worst character I can recall in a show I actually like.

Now with that being said, this last episode was the best of the season. I kept waiting for the writers to bring New York even closer to the AC story and they sort of did that, but bringing Chicago into the fold plus bringing the "other side AKA Chalky" into the forefront of the story might just save this show yet. As an added bonus they finally got Van Alden in front of Al.

Looking forward to a big finish next week.

Put me in that small group (very small) that love this character. He's a psycho comedic gangster with a gun and I can't wait to see him die!

Im in this group as well. I love it that he can lose it at any minute.

hes like a rabid dog...crazy and unpredictable ...that makes him entertaining.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I kinda hope Gyp doesn't die, just because it seems so pre-ordained.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Were this real life, Chalky would have absolutely given up Nucky. He always treated Chalky like crap, being dismissive and talking down to him.

I dont agree. I think if you look at the upside of what Chalky can get out of this it is going to be higher with Nucky than anyone else because they already have a relationship established. You think there is any way any of the other players would give him Babette's old spot? No way.

It's not that Chalky has more honor than the other gangsters. He knows that Nucky respects him enough to share power with him.

 

[The Ref]

I kinda hope Gyp doesn't die, just because it seems so pre-ordained.

And I hate the character for this reason. If you offered odds on him surviving to next season it would be -1500.If he lives and we get a bunch of other stuff to go down it may not be a lost season after all. Another sidebar. I'm so thrilled to see Mrs Thompson go. I haven't given a damn about her or her kids since early season 1.I can't shake the feeling that Harrow is going to kill Gyp for some reason. The dude is a bad hass.

 

[Raider Nation]

Another sidebar. I'm so thrilled to see Mrs Thompson go. I haven't given a damn about her or her kids since early season 1.

You just caught up, so I'm assuming you haven't read the entire thread.Our disdain for Margaret and The Children is a running theme.

 

[The Ref]

Also - something else didn't go unnoticed by me last episode. If the writers have done anything right they are starting to bring in the next generation. We got Nuckys Nephew, Chalkys son in law... We could use a few more in here. Nothing can kick off a war like the death of one of the kids in seasons to come.

 

[The Ref]

Another sidebar. I'm so thrilled to see Mrs Thompson go. I haven't given a damn about her or her kids since early season 1.

You just caught up, so I'm assuming you haven't read the entire thread.Our disdain for Margaret and The Children is a running theme.

Nah I haven't gone back at all. I'm not surprised at all, she sucked. They managed to turn a O.G. IRA murdering SOB into a wuss because of her stupid character.

 

[BigTex]

Also - something else didn't go unnoticed by me last episode. If the writers have done anything right they are starting to bring in the next generation. We got Nuckys Nephew, Chalkys son in law... We could use a few more in here. Nothing can kick off a war like the death of one of the kids in seasons to come.

Don't forget Eli's son.

 

[Samuel L Bronkowitz]

Also - something else didn't go unnoticed by me last episode. If the writers have done anything right they are starting to bring in the next generation. We got Nuckys Nephew, Chalkys son in law... We could use a few more in here. Nothing can kick off a war like the death of one of the kids in seasons to come.

Don't forget Eli's son.

And the medical student

 

[Raider Nation]

Also - something else didn't go unnoticed by me last episode. If the writers have done anything right they are starting to bring in the next generation. We got Nuckys Nephew, Chalkys son in law... We could use a few more in here. Nothing can kick off a war like the death of one of the kids in seasons to come.

Don't forget Eli's son.

And the medical student

 

[Carver]

Another sidebar. I'm so thrilled to see Mrs Thompson go. I haven't given a damn about her or her kids since early season 1.

You just caught up, so I'm assuming you haven't read the entire thread.Our disdain for Margaret and The Children is a running theme.

Yup. Evenly matched with our buddy "Flynn" at this point.

 

[Samuel L Bronkowitz]

Also - something else didn't go unnoticed by me last episode. If the writers have done anything right they are starting to bring in the next generation. We got Nuckys Nephew, Chalkys son in law... We could use a few more in here. Nothing can kick off a war like the death of one of the kids in seasons to come.

Don't forget Eli's son.

And the medical student

 

[Raider Nation]

Also - something else didn't go unnoticed by me last episode. If the writers have done anything right they are starting to bring in the next generation. We got Nuckys Nephew, Chalkys son in law... We could use a few more in here. Nothing can kick off a war like the death of one of the kids in seasons to come.

Don't forget Eli's son.

And the medical student

LOL, I didn't even notice what Tex wrote.

 

[BigTex]

Also - something else didn't go unnoticed by me last episode. If the writers have done anything right they are starting to bring in the next generation. We got Nuckys Nephew, Chalkys son in law... We could use a few more in here. Nothing can kick off a war like the death of one of the kids in seasons to come.

Don't forget Eli's son.

And the medical student

LOL, I didn't even notice what Tex wrote.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Another sidebar. I'm so thrilled to see Mrs Thompson go. I haven't given a damn about her or her kids since early season 1.

You just caught up, so I'm assuming you haven't read the entire thread.Our disdain for Margaret and The Children is a running theme.

Neither of them are as bad as that dopey kid in Homeland.

 

[Michael Brown]

Another sidebar. I'm so thrilled to see Mrs Thompson go. I haven't given a damn about her or her kids since early season 1.

You just caught up, so I'm assuming you haven't read the entire thread.Our disdain for Margaret and The Children is a running theme.

Nah I haven't gone back at all. I'm not surprised at all, she sucked. They managed to turn a O.G. IRA murdering SOB into a wuss because of her stupid character.

Agree with this. Owen's softer side made for Margaret's emotional scene, and I know it can't be all blood and guts all the time. But they turned Owen's potential awesomeness into a Furio clone really quickly. Was totally fine with him going.

 

[Michael Brown]

Another sidebar. I'm so thrilled to see Mrs Thompson go. I haven't given a damn about her or her kids since early season 1.

You just caught up, so I'm assuming you haven't read the entire thread.Our disdain for Margaret and The Children is a running theme.

Neither of them are as bad as that dopey kid in Homeland.

There needs to be a spinoff of dopey Homeland son and Flynn.Flynn: "Every daaaaay, my...my daaaad and me? We have like, have breakfast."

Dopey kid: "Everybody check it out, WOW BREAKFAST! Cool! Aw shucks. I like turtles!"

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Another sidebar. I'm so thrilled to see Mrs Thompson go. I haven't given a damn about her or her kids since early season 1.

You just caught up, so I'm assuming you haven't read the entire thread.Our disdain for Margaret and The Children is a running theme.

Neither of them are as bad as that dopey kid in Homeland.

There needs to be a spinoff of dopey Homeland son and Flynn.Flynn: "Every daaaaay, my...my daaaad and me? We have like, have breakfast."

Dopey kid: "Everybody check it out, WOW BREAKFAST! Cool! Aw shucks. I like turtles!"

Li'l Brody makes Flynn look like Doogie Howser.

 

[Kevrunner]

Was expecting a very visible scar on the side of Chalky's son-in-law's face, unless I am getting my characters confused, I had thought he got sliced pretty bad in an earlier episode.

 

[gump]

Was expecting a very visible scar on the side of Chalky's son-in-law's face, unless I am getting my characters confused, I had thought he got sliced pretty bad in an earlier episode.

That was the same kid....I was looking pretty hard too....thought I saw something small by his left ear, but they never showed that side of his face clearly.

 

[ditka85]

I'm not so sure Gyp bites it in the finale. Seems like that would be the easy way out for the writers.

 

[jamny]

Put me down as a fan of Gyp too. While yes, he is a caricature of a gangster, he has a lot of good scenes. I thought the scene with him and his crew outside of Chalky's house was well done. That said, I can't wait to see him die a painful death. Maybe he'll even cry.

I can't believe the previews for next week are from one episode. That will be insane!

I guess Lucky's gotta go crawling back to Rothstein. He was told not to make that deal, right?

Capone rules! I loved how they

.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

How great would it be if the finale is just one hour of Margaret playing with the children and sniffling, and they don't show Gyp or Nucky or Capone at all?

 

[anakin]

How great would it be if the finale is just one hour of Margaret playing with the children and sniffling, and they don't show Gyp or Nucky or Capone at all?

I'd make sure she visits the hospital with the children, so they can see the good works she does.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Another sidebar. I'm so thrilled to see Mrs Thompson go. I haven't given a damn about her or her kids since early season 1.

You just caught up, so I'm assuming you haven't read the entire thread.Our disdain for Margaret and The Children is a running theme.

Neither of them are as bad as that dopey kid in Homeland.

Who do you think is worse? Brody Jr. or Carl from "Walking Dead"?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Another sidebar. I'm so thrilled to see Mrs Thompson go. I haven't given a damn about her or her kids since early season 1.

You just caught up, so I'm assuming you haven't read the entire thread.Our disdain for Margaret and The Children is a running theme.

Neither of them are as bad as that dopey kid in Homeland.

Who do you think is worse? Brody Jr. or Carl from "Walking Dead"?

That Carl seems like a real dope.

 

[Carver]

Prediction..Gyp's #2 will be the one to kill him on orders from "Joe the Boss". There's a reason they brought on his cousin just long enough for Gyp to Murder him and drop the "You owe me" line.I think that Rothstein will find a way to squash the beef between Nucky and Masseria.

Nobody wants to comment on my theory?? FORGET YOU GUYS MAN! It's cause im black, right?

 

[Carver]

Another sidebar. I'm so thrilled to see Mrs Thompson go. I haven't given a damn about her or her kids since early season 1.

You just caught up, so I'm assuming you haven't read the entire thread.Our disdain for Margaret and The Children is a running theme.

Neither of them are as bad as that dopey kid in Homeland.

Who do you think is worse? Brody Jr. or Carl from "Walking Dead"?

That Carl seems like a real dope.

He's only dropping zombies like they're hot in a post-apocalyptic world. Brody Jr is much sharper, JMO.

 

[Gr00vus]

Prediction..Gyp's #2 will be the one to kill him on orders from "Joe the Boss". There's a reason they brought on his cousin just long enough for Gyp to Murder him and drop the "You owe me" line.I think that Rothstein will find a way to squash the beef between Nucky and Masseria.

Nobody wants to comment on my theory?? FORGET YOU GUYS MAN! It's cause im black, right?

I'm with you. I had posted after last week's episode that Gyp's lackey now has plenty of motive to be the conduit of his destruction.I also wonder if they don't off Chalky and then his 2nd in command (the guy he met in prison) takes over his operation.

 

[gump]

Prediction..Gyp's #2 will be the one to kill him on orders from "Joe the Boss". There's a reason they brought on his cousin just long enough for Gyp to Murder him and drop the "You owe me" line.I think that Rothstein will find a way to squash the beef between Nucky and Masseria.

Nobody wants to comment on my theory?? FORGET YOU GUYS MAN! It's cause im black, right?

Makes a lot of sense....especially with 'you owe me' line.

 

[The Ref]

Prediction..

Gyp's #2 will be the one to kill him on orders from "Joe the Boss".

There's a reason they brought on his cousin just long enough for Gyp to Murder him and drop the "You owe me" line.

I think that Rothstein will find a way to squash the beef between Nucky and Masseria.

Nobody wants to comment on my theory?? FORGET YOU GUYS MAN! It's cause im black, right?

I'm with you. I had posted after last week's episode that Gyp's lackey now has plenty of motive to be the conduit of his destruction.I also wonder if they don't off Chalky and then his 2nd in command (the guy he met in prison) takes over his operation.

God I hope not. This show needs good characters. Bumping off Omar isn't the way to go here.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Prediction..

Gyp's #2 will be the one to kill him on orders from "Joe the Boss".

There's a reason they brought on his cousin just long enough for Gyp to Murder him and drop the "You owe me" line.

I think that Rothstein will find a way to squash the beef between Nucky and Masseria.

Nobody wants to comment on my theory?? FORGET YOU GUYS MAN! It's cause im black, right?

I'm with you. I had posted after last week's episode that Gyp's lackey now has plenty of motive to be the conduit of his destruction.I also wonder if they don't off Chalky and then his 2nd in command (the guy he met in prison) takes over his operation.

God I hope not. This show needs good characters. Bumping off Omar isn't the way to go here.

Yeah, I think we're a lock for the "black club" in the next season, right? Pretty pumped for that actually.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Prediction..

Gyp's #2 will be the one to kill him on orders from "Joe the Boss".

There's a reason they brought on his cousin just long enough for Gyp to Murder him and drop the "You owe me" line.

I think that Rothstein will find a way to squash the beef between Nucky and Masseria.

Nobody wants to comment on my theory?? FORGET YOU GUYS MAN! It's cause im black, right?

I'm with you. I had posted after last week's episode that Gyp's lackey now has plenty of motive to be the conduit of his destruction.I also wonder if they don't off Chalky and then his 2nd in command (the guy he met in prison) takes over his operation.

God I hope not. This show needs good characters. Bumping off Omar isn't the way to go here.

Yeah, I think we're a lock for the "black club" in the next season, right? Pretty pumped for that actually.

My link

 

[BigTex]

Was expecting a very visible scar on the side of Chalky's son-in-law's face, unless I am getting my characters confused, I had thought he got sliced pretty bad in an earlier episode.

That was the same kid....I was looking pretty hard too....thought I saw something small by his left ear, but they never showed that side of his face clearly.

There was a clear shot of his face when they heard Gyp and his goons pulling up in their cars..........no visible scar present.

 

[BigTex]

Prediction..Gyp's #2 will be the one to kill him on orders from "Joe the Boss". There's a reason they brought on his cousin just long enough for Gyp to Murder him and drop the "You owe me" line.I think that Rothstein will find a way to squash the beef between Nucky and Masseria.

Nobody wants to comment on my theory?? FORGET YOU GUYS MAN! It's cause im black, right?

Gillian will kill Gyp for obvious reasons.No one has ever tried to kill Nucky and survive, Nucky will somehow help Lucky and he will kill Masseria because he will owe Nucky.

 

[Dave Baker]

Question: I know they said something but I couldn't quite understand it. How did Eli and Capone find Nucky? What I thought I heard was something about them find out out from Chalky's men, but none of his men knew where they were going because 1) Chalky and Nucky agreed they couldn't tell any of Nucky's men b/c of the $25K reward (lack of complete trust), and 2) They didn't even know where they were going until Nucky decided last second.

Other thoughts:

Jimmy had to go. Getting rid of "good" characters makes a show like this better, not worse, unless you have no other interesting characters (which this show has in spades). I think it's absurd to think this show has gone downhill since Jimmy's departure.

I liked Owen and was bummed he was killed, but his character was not all that fleshed out anyway, and his stuff with Margaret was boring (I liked the Furio example), unless of course Owen was indeed never truly planning on going away with Margaret (e.g. his ambiguous statements to her and the other girl).

I think the obvious becomes true and that next episode is Gyp's last. I don't mind, but I still love his character and anyone who doesn't think his character isn't realistic hasn't read enough about other lower level (just below the top) gangsters of the era. His style was not only far from unique but common amongst those trying to gather more power via fear. He has ultimate confidence and breathes hatred. Even leaders like Hussein and Hitler were not that different. Obviously, the most successful of the gangsters (Luciano, Lansky, and later Genovese and Gambino) of that era knew that smarts and working together was ultimately needed, but those like Gyp were very common and successful.

Chalky sticking with Nucky makes complete sense. In most respects, Nucky has treated Chalky and his crew very well, especially in comparison to treatment from other whites.

I have no clue what's going to happen with Harrow, as far as to who and what happens in the finale. Lots of scenarios make sense to me.

Likely uncommon amongst FBGs here, but I've always liked Margaret's character. The arc I didn't like was with Billie (or whatever her name was, even though I liked her as an actress). I knew Nucky would break away emotionally from Margaret once she sold his stuff last season, but I didn't the arc anyway. I remain curious as to how Margaret will fit into the finale/future seasons.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Jimmy had to go. Getting rid of "good" characters makes a show like this better, not worse, unless you have no other interesting characters (which this show has in spades). I think it's absurd to think this show has gone downhill since Jimmy's departure.

No. You say this show has great characters is spades, I say very few of the remaining characters carry the same weight or interest as Jimmy. The Sopranos (perhaps the greatest cast of characters ever assembled on a TV show) is more befitting of your argument, and the show produced many good seasons despite killing off some great characters.

 

[Dave Baker]

Jimmy had to go. Getting rid of "good" characters makes a show like this better, not worse, unless you have no other interesting characters (which this show has in spades). I think it's absurd to think this show has gone downhill since Jimmy's departure.

No. You say this show has great characters is spades, I say very few of the remaining characters carry the same weight or interest as Jimmy.

I thought the Jimmy character was outstanding, no doubt about it. I presume you opposed the storyline that led to his demise, since within that storyline there was no alternative but to kill Jimmy (or Nucky, which for obvious reasons wasn't about to happen).

 

[gump]

Prediction..Gyp's #2 will be the one to kill him on orders from "Joe the Boss". There's a reason they brought on his cousin just long enough for Gyp to Murder him and drop the "You owe me" line.I think that Rothstein will find a way to squash the beef between Nucky and Masseria.

Nobody wants to comment on my theory?? FORGET YOU GUYS MAN! It's cause im black, right?

Gillian will kill Gyp for obvious reasons.No one has ever tried to kill Nucky and survive, Nucky will somehow help Lucky and he will kill Masseria because he will owe Nucky.

The latter ain't happening, unless the characters name is Jim Masseria.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Prediction..Gyp's #2 will be the one to kill him on orders from "Joe the Boss". There's a reason they brought on his cousin just long enough for Gyp to Murder him and drop the "You owe me" line.I think that Rothstein will find a way to squash the beef between Nucky and Masseria.

Nobody wants to comment on my theory?? FORGET YOU GUYS MAN! It's cause im black, right?

Gillian will kill Gyp for obvious reasons.No one has ever tried to kill Nucky and survive, Nucky will somehow help Lucky and he will kill Masseria because he will owe Nucky.

The latter ain't happening, unless the characters name is Jim Masseria.

Fred Tesseria is not safe either.

 

[jdoggydogg]

Jimmy had to go. Getting rid of "good" characters makes a show like this better, not worse, unless you have no other interesting characters (which this show has in spades). I think it's absurd to think this show has gone downhill since Jimmy's departure.

No. You say this show has great characters is spades, I say very few of the remaining characters carry the same weight or interest as Jimmy.

I thought the Jimmy character was outstanding, no doubt about it. I presume you opposed the storyline that led to his demise, since within that storyline there was no alternative but to kill Jimmy (or Nucky, which for obvious reasons wasn't about to happen).

Loved the storyline. And if you haven't read this thread going way back, I think the first two seasons of this show stand out as some of the best television ever aired. It's been rumored that the actor who plays Jimmy was very difficult to work with. Even so, it did make sense for the character to die. I don't question killing Jimmy at all. But the show seems rudderless at this point. Yes, the acting, sets, writing and costumes are all still top notch. I just think that there are very few characters that elicit any empathy now.

 

[Michael Brown]

Jimmy had to go. Getting rid of "good" characters makes a show like this better, not worse, unless you have no other interesting characters (which this show has in spades). I think it's absurd to think this show has gone downhill since Jimmy's departure.

No. You say this show has great characters is spades, I say very few of the remaining characters carry the same weight or interest as Jimmy.

I thought the Jimmy character was outstanding, no doubt about it. I presume you opposed the storyline that led to his demise, since within that storyline there was no alternative but to kill Jimmy (or Nucky, which for obvious reasons wasn't about to happen).

Loved the storyline. And if you haven't read this thread going way back, I think the first two seasons of this show stand out as some of the best television ever aired. It's been rumored that the actor who plays Jimmy was very difficult to work with. Even so, it did make sense for the character to die.

I don't question killing Jimmy at all. But the show seems rudderless at this point. Yes, the acting, sets, writing and costumes are all still top notch. I just think that there are very few characters that elicit any empathy now.

On the one hand I agree that there are very few characters to empathize with. On the other hand, it's a show about illegal bootleggers and gangsters and whores, so it's going to be difficult to find a whole lot of redeeming qualities on the very surface.For instance, Harrow is a cold-blooded sniper killer, but he's a relative sweetheart on this show compared to most others. Margaret Schroeder is a good Irish catholic girl who shacked up with a rich guy who helped kill her husband and within a year was running around on him with the hired muscle.

Hmmm...Eddie! Eddie is a great guy!

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

Chalky and Harrow are the two I tend to pull for as far as characters I empathize with.