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***OFFICIAL*** Boardwalk Empire thread (2 Viewers)

To tide fans over the fall premiere of "Boardwalk Empire" season 4, HBO has released the first teaser for the new installment. It highlights the first meeting of Steve Buscemi's Nucky Thompson and Jeffrey Wright's Valentin Narcisse, one of the new characters on the show.

"Mr. Thompson, an honor to have finally made your acquaintance," Narcisse greets Nucky and corrects him when Nucky calls him Mr. Narcisse instead of Dr. Narcisse. He also says, "Only kings understand each other."

Other scenes preview the return of Stephen Graham's Al Capone and Michael Kenneth Williams' Chalky White, as well as offer brief glimpses of several fights.

The exact premiere date of "Boardwalk Empire" season 4 hasn't been announced yet. The new chapter adds Ron Livingston and Patricia Arquette besides Wright to the cast ensemble and has been reported to feature another new character, a Sicilian gangster.
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I hope they aren't going the Sopranos route of bringing in a new antagonist each season just to have him killed in the final episode of the year.

 
Premier said:
I hope they aren't going the Sopranos route of bringing in a new antagonist each season just to have him killed in the final episode of the year.
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They do have some of the same writers/directors, so there will be familiar patterns.I just hope the children will be okay.

 
Gr00vus said:
'Notorious T.R.E. said:
'Gr00vus said:
'BuddyKnuckles said:
'gump said:
Took me a while to figure out why Mellon would help Nucky out again, after already arresting Remus....but I guess Nucky convinced him that AR really did muscle his way into Mellons factory and demanded 99%....since Nucky promised something he couldn't give AR in the first place. Pretty smooth.
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I'm still struggling with the Mellon motivation, too. When Nucky first introduced himself to Mellon a few episodes ago, Mellon treated him like a clump of dog-**** stuck on his shoe, only to later give him use of his distillery in PA. Why would Mellon now implicate AR in using the distillery at Nucky's behest? What did Nucky have at that moment to convince Mellon to do this? Surely it had to be more than AR had muscled in - Mellon could probably just hook up with AR, then. Not to mention Nucky would look like an incompetent buffoon in Mellon's eyes. Admittedly, I had trouble following some of the plot-lines this episode with the heroin/lucky/Messeria/AR thing and why Nucky was turning over 99% of the distillery to AR. Thanks for the write-up Raider. :thumbup: But this whole Mellon thing has me :confused:
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I think it has more to do with who told Mellon Arnold Rothsteins name while he was on the phone.
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Means definitely was key....I assume they got Mellon to believe AR was a ruthless gangster who wasn't going to cut Mellon in on his own factory.
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They skipped over a lot of back story and potentially interesting stuff IMO. Why not cut out some of the garbage early and mid season, and expand on what actually went down in the last episode?
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Might it be as simple as Mellon gets another big name to prosecute? I think that was the set up - Rothstein takes over the distillery to bootleg, Nucky hands him to the feds immediately after, now Mellon has another high profile bad guy to try to put behind bars and had to exert zero effort to do so.
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I thought it was because Nucky bought out Stephen Root (don't know his character's name) and he was whispering in Mellon's ear at the end.
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That's how Mellon got the name, I'm just postulating some extra motive for why he cares about it enough to notify the prosecutor - what Mellon gets out of fingering Rothstein. Bagging another bootlegger to show congress he's doing his job & making sure his cut of the still isn't being ####ed with.
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I'm a bit confused.

Wasn't Nucky going after Shooter MacGavin? Was hoping to get Mellon's help with that because Mellon hated Shooter too. Does jamming Rothstein at the end help them get Shooter? Rothstein may be one of the few people who has dirt/leverage on Shooter.

 
Raider Nation said:
To tide fans over the fall premiere of "Boardwalk Empire" season 4, HBO has released the first teaser for the new installment. It highlights the first meeting of Steve Buscemi's Nucky Thompson and Jeffrey Wright's Valentin Narcisse, one of the new characters on the show.

"Mr. Thompson, an honor to have finally made your acquaintance," Narcisse greets Nucky and corrects him when Nucky calls him Mr. Narcisse instead of Dr. Narcisse. He also says, "Only kings understand each other."

Other scenes preview the return of Stephen Graham's Al Capone and Michael Kenneth Williams' Chalky White, as well as offer brief glimpses of several fights.

The exact premiere date of "Boardwalk Empire" season 4 hasn't been announced yet. The new chapter adds Ron Livingston and Patricia Arquette besides Wright to the cast ensemble and has been reported to feature another new character, a Sicilian gangster.
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S4 teaser
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Yeah and his name is Pip Rosetti...... no relation.

 
Premier said:
I hope they aren't going the Sopranos route of bringing in a new antagonist each season just to have him killed in the final episode of the year.
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I don't think the new antagonist pattern will have much to do with the Sopranos as much as the constraints of this show, same could be said for Deadwood and Rome. Your dealing with a show based on history, at least to some degree. You can't really kill Nucky, Capone, Rothstein or the like or the show starts to go off the historical rails. So short of killing off an existing character like Van Alden, Eli, Harrow and the like you have to conjure a antagonist every season. And if you think about it who is left as a non historically important character that is in a position to challenge Nucky right now? Only guy who is close to that is Chalky.

The Sopranos had the same issues in that they didn't want to kill off any of the main crew to make sure the show had a long run, I'd argue anyway.

 
I watched the first 5-6 episodes when it first came out but bailed because I couldn't take Kelly MacDonald, didn't think Buscemi could carry the show and a lot of the plotlines were ridiculous IMO. Plus the opening title credits annoyed me. Tone of the show just wasn't working for me. I think a lot of people bailed on this show. Why it never got the ravenous word of mouth Breaking Bad and The Wire eventually got.

Lately I've been hearing a renewed buzz about the show and decided to give it a go. Watched the first three seasons this past month. I get it now. Show has just gotten better and better. Season two was a marvel. Have read a lot that season three meandered a bit but watching it marathon style I didn't get that and those who are up to date know how badass season three ended. Richard Harrow, what a character.

It's not in my top 5 but definitely in my top 10.

I do have mixed feeling about how things ended for Jimmy. I wish they would have divulged the doings in Princeton between Jimmy and Gillian earlier in season two. Nucky brought Gillian to the Commodore to be devoured. She was irrevocably damaged from that point on. So damaged that she destroyed her relationship with Jimmy causing him to flee and enlist. In the end Jimmy told Nucky he died in the trenches but he really died in that bedroom in Princeton. Gillian had become a monster and Nucky played a part in that destroying her and her relationship with Jimmy.

I think if we had known that motivation earlier in season two then Jimmy going against Nucky would have had a lot more gravity and sense. Their last scene, when Jimmy tells Nucky to go ahead and pull the trigger I already died in the trenches, just muddies the waters for me. Makes Jimmy out to be empty due to the war not because of what happened to his mother and subsequently him.

Season two was great but could have been more if we had known what Jimmy was struggling with. We do get the info late in the season but they really didn't bring that home IMO.

 
I also think the show could just be reaching the tip of the iceberg if they want to take some risks. Like The Wire they could change the focus of the show for extended periods. Capone, Lansky/Lucciano and Rothstein/Masseria could be seasons unto themselves.

 
The Ref said:
Premier said:
I hope they aren't going the Sopranos route of bringing in a new antagonist each season just to have him killed in the final episode of the year.
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I don't think the new antagonist pattern will have much to do with the Sopranos as much as the constraints of this show, same could be said for Deadwood and Rome. Your dealing with a show based on history, at least to some degree. You can't really kill Nucky, Capone, Rothstein or the like or the show starts to go off the historical rails. So short of killing off an existing character like Van Alden, Eli, Harrow and the like you have to conjure a antagonist every season. And if you think about it who is left as a non historically important character that is in a position to challenge Nucky right now? Only guy who is close to that is Chalky.

The Sopranos had the same issues in that they didn't want to kill off any of the main crew to make sure the show had a long run, I'd argue anyway.
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The history is interesting on its own. Why the need for a violent antagonist each season. There can be drama within the business and character struggles on their own without having to introduce cartoon character bad guys to deal with who did not even exist.

 
Daywalker said:
I watched the first 5-6 episodes when it first came out but bailed because I couldn't take Kelly MacDonald, didn't think Buscemi could carry the show and a lot of the plotlines were ridiculous IMO. Plus the opening title credits annoyed me. Tone of the show just wasn't working for me. I think a lot of people bailed on this show. Why it never got the ravenous word of mouth Breaking Bad and The Wire eventually got.

Lately I've been hearing a renewed buzz about the show and decided to give it a go. Watched the first three seasons this past month. I get it now. Show has just gotten better and better. Season two was a marvel. Have read a lot that season three meandered a bit but watching it marathon style I didn't get that and those who are up to date know how badass season three ended. Richard Harrow, what a character.

It's not in my top 5 but definitely in my top 10.

I do have mixed feeling about how things ended for Jimmy. I wish they would have divulged the doings in Princeton between Jimmy and Gillian earlier in season two. Nucky brought Gillian to the Commodore to be devoured. She was irrevocably damaged from that point on. So damaged that she destroyed her relationship with Jimmy causing him to flee and enlist. In the end Jimmy told Nucky he died in the trenches but he really died in that bedroom in Princeton. Gillian had become a monster and Nucky played a part in that destroying her and her relationship with Jimmy.

I think if we had known that motivation earlier in season two then Jimmy going against Nucky would have had a lot more gravity and sense. Their last scene, when Jimmy tells Nucky to go ahead and pull the trigger I already died in the trenches, just muddies the waters for me. Makes Jimmy out to be empty due to the war not because of what happened to his mother and subsequently him.

Season two was great but could have been more if we had known what Jimmy was struggling with. We do get the info late in the season but they really didn't bring that home IMO.
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They just made it clear. We already knew how Gillian came to be involved with the Commodore and we all suspected that there was some incestuous relationship between she and Jimmy.

 
Brady Marino said:
Question: Is Gillian dead from the heroin that was injected into her during the last episode?
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I don't think so.

I also agree with Leeroy on having a miniboss at the end of every level, and him getting it at the end. I think the show would've been a lot more interesting if Gyp just disappeared, and you're left wondering when and if he's coming back for the rest of the series.

 
Good Posting Judge said:
Brady Marino said:
Question: Is Gillian dead from the heroin that was injected into her during the last episode?
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I don't think so.

I also agree with Leeroy on having a miniboss at the end of every level, and him getting it at the end. I think the show would've been a lot more interesting if Gyp just disappeared, and you're left wondering when and if he and his dangler were coming back for the rest of the series.
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Fixed.

 
I will vote for a season without "the children" or any reference to "the children". Right now 2>>>1>>3

 
I liked all of the seasons equally. Copout but true. Jimmy's storyline conclusion stunned me and I wasn't sure how S3 would do by comparison, but its finish was amazing.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
The Ref said:
Premier said:
I hope they aren't going the Sopranos route of bringing in a new antagonist each season just to have him killed in the final episode of the year.
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I don't think the new antagonist pattern will have much to do with the Sopranos as much as the constraints of this show, same could be said for Deadwood and Rome. Your dealing with a show based on history, at least to some degree. You can't really kill Nucky, Capone, Rothstein or the like or the show starts to go off the historical rails. So short of killing off an existing character like Van Alden, Eli, Harrow and the like you have to conjure a antagonist every season. And if you think about it who is left as a non historically important character that is in a position to challenge Nucky right now? Only guy who is close to that is Chalky.

The Sopranos had the same issues in that they didn't want to kill off any of the main crew to make sure the show had a long run, I'd argue anyway.
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The history is interesting on its own. Why the need for a violent antagonist each season. There can be drama within the business and character struggles on their own without having to introduce cartoon character bad guys to deal with who did not even exist.
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I bet it wouldn't get as many viewers. That would be my guess as to why they go that route. The slow build to an explosive finish is a formula that just works.

 
RBM said:
Brady Marino said:
Raider Nation said:
But seriously.... what will become of the children?
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:rant:

With Slater dead in a box, Harrow is probably my favorite character on the show now. Also interested to see what becomes of Gillian now. Psych ward?
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Really? The thing holding Richard back as your fav character was Owen? I mean I liked Owen a bit but he did have some Furio in him. Besides that Richard ####in rules!
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They were pretty close. I just had some high hopes for Slater with is Irish connections that went pretty damn unfulfilled.

You're right, Richard rules.

 
Season 4 debuts this Sunday. Boardwalk Empire and Breaking Bad on at the same time. :excited:

Sorry, Nucky. You'll have to wait an hour.

BTW, season 3 is getting a bad rap in here. I just re-watched the entire season OnDemand, and it was thoroughly enjoyable. Yeah, Gyp was a cartoon character, but it was still a fun ride. Loved drunk Eddie getting a bullet yanked out of him by a med student, and of course Harrow's epic, bloody rampage.

 
Gretchen Mol is really growing on me, too. It's hard to see her as anything other than the NAGGING girlfriend in Rounders, but if she keeps walking around naked, I'll find it in my heart to forgive her.

 
Raider Nation said:
Gretchen Mol is really growing on me, too. It's hard to see her as anything other than the NAGGING girlfriend in Rounders, but if she keeps walking around naked, I'll find it in my heart to forgive her.
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Agreed on all accounts. Loathed her in Rounders. I'm curious where they do go with her, though. I doubt she rises like the phoenix, which makes me wonder how long she'll last.

 
Raider Nation said:
BTW, season 3 is getting a bad rap in here. I just re-watched the entire season OnDemand, and it was thoroughly enjoyable. Yeah, Gyp was a cartoon character, but it was still a fun ride. Loved drunk Eddie getting a bullet yanked out of him by a med student, and of course Harrow's epic, bloody rampage.
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Great stuff, but in all fairness we can't make believe the hospital crap did not happen. And that's some of the most unwatchable #### in TV history.

 
In a way, BE suffers from the same stuff Sopranos had to deal with and GOT currently deals with. There are just so many characters and side plots, and yeah some of them are clunkers but they spread it pretty thin to be able to create such an epic, wide-ranging show. And to be honest, some of the side storylines aren't that bad in and of themselves, but the bar is set so high by the "good" stuff that the lesser aspects pale in comparison. For instance, we maybe don't wanna see what happens with Mickey, because we just wanna see Rothstein or Capone or Harrow do Rothstein and Capone and Harrow stuff...but the Mickey stuff isn't ACTUALLY horrible.

 
Michael Brown said:
In a way, BE suffers from the same stuff Sopranos had to deal with and GOT currently deals with. There are just so many characters and side plots, and yeah some of them are clunkers but they spread it pretty thin to be able to create such an epic, wide-ranging show. And to be honest, some of the side storylines aren't that bad in and of themselves, but the bar is set so high by the "good" stuff that the lesser aspects pale in comparison. For instance, we maybe don't wanna see what happens with Mickey, because we just wanna see Rothstein or Capone or Harrow do Rothstein and Capone and Harrow stuff...but the Mickey stuff isn't ACTUALLY horrible.
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They have Season 3 of The Sopranos up on OnDemand and I can't help but cringe at some of the side stories that took place during this season (mopey/depressed Carmella sucks) and in seasons to come (Furio).

Last season, Gillian got to be just too much at times (the whole thing with the Jimmy lookalike) and I didn't care for Gyp, either. But still, on the whole, it's a damn fine show that should be compared favorably to the Sopranos.

 
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Michael Brown said:
In a way, BE suffers from the same stuff Sopranos had to deal with and GOT currently deals with. There are just so many characters and side plots, and yeah some of them are clunkers but they spread it pretty thin to be able to create such an epic, wide-ranging show. And to be honest, some of the side storylines aren't that bad in and of themselves, but the bar is set so high by the "good" stuff that the lesser aspects pale in comparison. For instance, we maybe don't wanna see what happens with Mickey, because we just wanna see Rothstein or Capone or Harrow do Rothstein and Capone and Harrow stuff...but the Mickey stuff isn't ACTUALLY horrible.
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Thrones may be tough to keep up with because if so many characters, storylines, and information, but none of them are really weak.

 
The Ref said:
Premier said:
I hope they aren't going the Sopranos route of bringing in a new antagonist each season just to have him killed in the final episode of the year.
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I don't think the new antagonist pattern will have much to do with the Sopranos as much as the constraints of this show, same could be said for Deadwood and Rome. Your dealing with a show based on history, at least to some degree. You can't really kill Nucky, Capone, Rothstein or the like or the show starts to go off the historical rails. So short of killing off an existing character like Van Alden, Eli, Harrow and the like you have to conjure a antagonist every season. And if you think about it who is left as a non historically important character that is in a position to challenge Nucky right now? Only guy who is close to that is Chalky.

The Sopranos had the same issues in that they didn't want to kill off any of the main crew to make sure the show had a long run, I'd argue anyway.
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No kidding - so the guy they brought in this season is someone who can challenge Chalky? Didn't see that coming.

 
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