Well, I for one wish they'd give Ryan a shot at SS - but I have a feeling LaRussa is not a big fan.It would be nice to finally be done with Edmonds and (sad to say) Rolen - but how do you fill those gaps? Garrett Atkins would be a nice fit but I doubt he is available unless it came in some package also including Fuentes (a plausible replacement for Izzy). I just don't know anything about Atkin's contract status.What we don't need is more old guys - we need a younger face to the club to go around Pujols, Duncan, Wainwright and Molina.They're talking about having $20 million to spend this off-season. Did I read that right? On a starting SS, a top of the rotation pitcher, a bat to protect Pujols/replace Encarnacion in the outfield, and bench players? Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
Atkins is up for arbitration this off season, I think. I doubt that he's an option.I hope DeWitt will give Mozeliak more than $20 to spend if he has the chance to get an impact player in the offseason (as well as fill needs). I think that Ryan would be fine as a starting SS, although it would be nice to get a capable backup in case of Ryan falters. It'll be sad to see Eckstein go because he's a guy that I enjoy watching play. But business is business and DeWitt needs a new car. Or two. Just kidding.The Cards need to find 1 #2-#3 starter, and free agency probably should not be the route they go if they're conscious about saving money. Judging by the contract they gave Piniero, they may have inadvertently set the market too high for a quality pitcher.If the Cards plug Ryan into SS and they stand pat about their starting pitching, $20 mil may very well be enough.Well, I for one wish they'd give Ryan a shot at SS - but I have a feeling LaRussa is not a big fan.It would be nice to finally be done with Edmonds and (sad to say) Rolen - but how do you fill those gaps? Garrett Atkins would be a nice fit but I doubt he is available unless it came in some package also including Fuentes (a plausible replacement for Izzy). I just don't know anything about Atkin's contract status.What we don't need is more old guys - we need a younger face to the club to go around Pujols, Duncan, Wainwright and Molina.They're talking about having $20 million to spend this off-season. Did I read that right? On a starting SS, a top of the rotation pitcher, a bat to protect Pujols/replace Encarnacion in the outfield, and bench players? Riiiiiiiiiiiight.
With Encarnacion likely not coming back, Edmonds being Edmonds (i.e, old and injury-prone), Duncan just posing as an outfielder, and Ankiel a bit of an HGH-fueled question mark still, does this mean we've officially entered the Colby Rasmuss era? I mean, what does that leave in the OF behind that trio? I can't see them actually making a play at a guy like Rowand. Are we ready to place that much reliance on Skip Schumaker and Ryan Ludwick?More news:The Cardinals declined the one-year option for outfielder So Taguchi on Monday night, though new general manager John Mozeliak said that doesn't close the door to the 38-year-old's return."We wanted to give ourselves as many options as we can, and by doing this we maintain a greater degree of flexibility," said Mozeliak, who was in Orlando, Fla., for the first day of the annual general managers' meetings. "Which is not to say we couldn't do something down the road. But for right now, this gives us flexibility."Taguchi hit .290 this year and, for the third consecutive season, scored at least 40 runs for the Cardinals as a backup outfielder. The club held a $1.1 million option but elected to buy it out at $100,000. Taguchi is eligible for arbitration, and the Cardinals could tender him a contract before the December deadline.Before the 2005 season, the Cardinals did not tender Taguchi a contract and waited until after the deadline to negotiate a new deal with the outfielder. Taguchi came to the Cardinals from Japan before the 2002 season and has said his preference is to remain in St. Louis and play in the major leagues.
I think thats what the Cardinals management thinks. They have said so far in the offseason that they are set in the OF. I think Rasmus is going to be a really good player, but I think he needs 1 more season in the minors. I also keep seeing Duncan's name in trade rumors. Who knows what they have planned? I have a feeling 2008 is going to be similar to 2007.With Encarnacion likely not coming back, Edmonds being Edmonds (i.e, old and injury-prone), Duncan just posing as an outfielder, and Ankiel a bit of an HGH-fueled question mark still, does this mean we've officially entered the Colby Rasmuss era? I mean, what does that leave in the OF behind that trio? I can't see them actually making a play at a guy like Rowand. Are we ready to place that much reliance on Skip Schumaker and Ryan Ludwick?More news:The Cardinals declined the one-year option for outfielder So Taguchi on Monday night, though new general manager John Mozeliak said that doesn't close the door to the 38-year-old's return."We wanted to give ourselves as many options as we can, and by doing this we maintain a greater degree of flexibility," said Mozeliak, who was in Orlando, Fla., for the first day of the annual general managers' meetings. "Which is not to say we couldn't do something down the road. But for right now, this gives us flexibility."Taguchi hit .290 this year and, for the third consecutive season, scored at least 40 runs for the Cardinals as a backup outfielder. The club held a $1.1 million option but elected to buy it out at $100,000. Taguchi is eligible for arbitration, and the Cardinals could tender him a contract before the December deadline.Before the 2005 season, the Cardinals did not tender Taguchi a contract and waited until after the deadline to negotiate a new deal with the outfielder. Taguchi came to the Cardinals from Japan before the 2002 season and has said his preference is to remain in St. Louis and play in the major leagues.
By the idiots on the Post-Dispatch forums or potentially credible sources?I think thats what the Cardinals management thinks. They have said so far in the offseason that they are set in the OF. I think Rasmus is going to be a really good player, but I think he needs 1 more season in the minors. I also keep seeing Duncan's name in trade rumors. Who knows what they have planned? I have a feeling 2008 is going to be similar to 2007.With Encarnacion likely not coming back, Edmonds being Edmonds (i.e, old and injury-prone), Duncan just posing as an outfielder, and Ankiel a bit of an HGH-fueled question mark still, does this mean we've officially entered the Colby Rasmuss era? I mean, what does that leave in the OF behind that trio? I can't see them actually making a play at a guy like Rowand. Are we ready to place that much reliance on Skip Schumaker and Ryan Ludwick?More news:
The Cardinals declined the one-year option for outfielder So Taguchi on Monday night, though new general manager John Mozeliak said that doesn't close the door to the 38-year-old's return.
"We wanted to give ourselves as many options as we can, and by doing this we maintain a greater degree of flexibility," said Mozeliak, who was in Orlando, Fla., for the first day of the annual general managers' meetings.
"Which is not to say we couldn't do something down the road. But for right now, this gives us flexibility."
Taguchi hit .290 this year and, for the third consecutive season, scored at least 40 runs for the Cardinals as a backup outfielder.
The club held a $1.1 million option but elected to buy it out at $100,000.
Taguchi is eligible for arbitration, and the Cardinals could tender him a contract before the December deadline.
Before the 2005 season, the Cardinals did not tender Taguchi a contract and waited until after the deadline to negotiate a new deal with the outfielder.
Taguchi came to the Cardinals from Japan before the 2002 season and has said his preference is to remain in St. Louis and play in the major leagues.
Post Dispatch for one. Did I hear LaRussa lobbying for Duncan to be traded, or did I hear wrong? I also so a thread on another board where the Yankees may have interest in Rolen. Not sure who the Cards would get back, but a young pitcher or 2 would be nice. It would also free up cash to pursue some free agents.Bob Sacamano said:By the idiots on the Post-Dispatch forums or potentially credible sources?curta269 said:I think thats what the Cardinals management thinks. They have said so far in the offseason that they are set in the OF. I think Rasmus is going to be a really good player, but I think he needs 1 more season in the minors. I also keep seeing Duncan's name in trade rumors. Who knows what they have planned? I have a feeling 2008 is going to be similar to 2007.With Encarnacion likely not coming back, Edmonds being Edmonds (i.e, old and injury-prone), Duncan just posing as an outfielder, and Ankiel a bit of an HGH-fueled question mark still, does this mean we've officially entered the Colby Rasmuss era? I mean, what does that leave in the OF behind that trio? I can't see them actually making a play at a guy like Rowand. Are we ready to place that much reliance on Skip Schumaker and Ryan Ludwick?More news:
The Cardinals declined the one-year option for outfielder So Taguchi on Monday night, though new general manager John Mozeliak said that doesn't close the door to the 38-year-old's return.
"We wanted to give ourselves as many options as we can, and by doing this we maintain a greater degree of flexibility," said Mozeliak, who was in Orlando, Fla., for the first day of the annual general managers' meetings.
"Which is not to say we couldn't do something down the road. But for right now, this gives us flexibility."
Taguchi hit .290 this year and, for the third consecutive season, scored at least 40 runs for the Cardinals as a backup outfielder.
The club held a $1.1 million option but elected to buy it out at $100,000.
Taguchi is eligible for arbitration, and the Cardinals could tender him a contract before the December deadline.
Before the 2005 season, the Cardinals did not tender Taguchi a contract and waited until after the deadline to negotiate a new deal with the outfielder.
Taguchi came to the Cardinals from Japan before the 2002 season and has said his preference is to remain in St. Louis and play in the major leagues.
Mets re-signed Castillo and the White Sox re-signed Uribe and traded for Cabrera. Seems like the top 2 teams in the market for Eckstein are no longer in play.ETA: I'll be forever grateful to Eck for his play in the 06 series, but I really think the Cardinals need to move on and spend their money elsewhere.News on Eckstein:
This gets me every time.David Eckstein is thought to be seeking a four-year contract worth about $36 million
Beats me. I don't like his odds to make the big club or anything, but I guess it can't hurt checking to see if Dewon has anything in the tank in AAA.As for LaRue, from what I've heard, the Cardinals have been very high on him over the past few years. I don't know if it's simply because they've seen a lot of him since he was a Red for all those years or what, but for a member of the Brotherhood of Backup Catchers, he'll do nicely. In fact, he could do a lot better than Gary Bennett since LaRue at least understands the value of taking a base here and there and has a little pop in his bat. If I recall, he's also pretty solid defensively.How does Brazelton keep getting minor league deals? Has he ever had a sub 5 era at any level?
I saw LaRue play a lot when I lived in the Cincinnati area. He does have some power. He will be a nice option when they decide to give Yadi some rest. Now, they really need some starting pitching.Beats me. I don't like his odds to make the big club or anything, but I guess it can't hurt checking to see if Dewon has anything in the tank in AAA.As for LaRue, from what I've heard, the Cardinals have been very high on him over the past few years. I don't know if it's simply because they've seen a lot of him since he was a Red for all those years or what, but for a member of the Brotherhood of Backup Catchers, he'll do nicely. In fact, he could do a lot better than Gary Bennett since LaRue at least understands the value of taking a base here and there and has a little pop in his bat. If I recall, he's also pretty solid defensively.How does Brazelton keep getting minor league deals? Has he ever had a sub 5 era at any level?
Yes, I think it is going to be another long season, just like last year.2.85 mil for this guy? He ain't even worth 1 mil!No power, not much speed, and below-average plate discipline. Jesus ####### Christ, Mozeliak, Brendan Ryan could do the job 5 times better at a fraction of the cost.I sense dark times ahead for the Cardinals.
GDB identifying Ana Benson's ##### as the solution.I was hoping I would have an update today, but the only news I could find was LaRussa talking about Rolen. This is nothing new. I guess they are still looking for a SP and a righthanded OF. Its my guess they will sign 2 lower-tier free agents and be done with it. The Cards are going to have trouble finishing .500 next season.
My thoughts exactly. If they are interested in trading Rolen, I have no idea why LaRussa would do this. Rolen's value is not very high anyway.And way to increase leverage on the Rolen trade front, Tony. You should be a PR rep when you retire.Added La Russa: "He’s got a contract to play, and we need him to play. And he’s going to be treated very honestly. "If he plays hard and he plays as well as he can, he plays. And if he doesn’t, he can sit. If he doesn’t like it, he can quit."
Strauss suggests the chances of Scott Rolen being traded are around 20%. Tony La Russa might be able to co-exist with him, even if they don't like each other. Still, the Milwaukee talks may be revisited.Strauss believes the Cards are sniffing around on Erik Bedard. MLB.com's Jim Molony spoke of their interest yesterday.The Cardinals are revisiting Miguel Tejada.The Cards have their eye on a free agent outfielder and a free agent starter and are heightening interest.
So, they're going to act like they're planning to do something on the trade front, probably make a low-ball offer to Rowand, and then tab a rehab project or Fogg to slide into the back of the rotation.MrPhoenix said:According to St. Louis Post Dispatch writer Joe Strauss, who's covering the Winter Meetings:
Strauss suggests the chances of Scott Rolen being traded are around 20%. Tony La Russa might be able to co-exist with him, even if they don't like each other. Still, the Milwaukee talks may be revisited.Strauss believes the Cards are sniffing around on Erik Bedard. MLB.com's Jim Molony spoke of their interest yesterday.The Cardinals are revisiting Miguel Tejada.The Cards have their eye on a free agent outfielder and a free agent starter and are heightening interest.
Probably. I think Barden takes care of the OF concern, but anything more than Josh Fogg and I'll crap an egg.So, they're going to act like they're planning to do something on the trade front, probably make a low-ball offer to Rowand, and then tab a rehab project or Fogg to slide into the back of the rotation.MrPhoenix said:According to St. Louis Post Dispatch writer Joe Strauss, who's covering the Winter Meetings:
Strauss suggests the chances of Scott Rolen being traded are around 20%. Tony La Russa might be able to co-exist with him, even if they don't like each other. Still, the Milwaukee talks may be revisited.Strauss believes the Cards are sniffing around on Erik Bedard. MLB.com's Jim Molony spoke of their interest yesterday.The Cardinals are revisiting Miguel Tejada.The Cards have their eye on a free agent outfielder and a free agent starter and are heightening interest.
I'm not certain Edmonds makes it into the season on the roster. I'm not saying it'll happen, but if they could move him it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.Probably. I think Barden takes care of the OF concern, but anything more than Josh Fogg and I'll crap an egg.So, they're going to act like they're planning to do something on the trade front, probably make a low-ball offer to Rowand, and then tab a rehab project or Fogg to slide into the back of the rotation.MrPhoenix said:According to St. Louis Post Dispatch writer Joe Strauss, who's covering the Winter Meetings:
Strauss suggests the chances of Scott Rolen being traded are around 20%. Tony La Russa might be able to co-exist with him, even if they don't like each other. Still, the Milwaukee talks may be revisited.Strauss believes the Cards are sniffing around on Erik Bedard. MLB.com's Jim Molony spoke of their interest yesterday.The Cardinals are revisiting Miguel Tejada.The Cards have their eye on a free agent outfielder and a free agent starter and are heightening interest.
Eh, not sure what good that does them. At 10 cents on the dollar, they are better off keeping them. It's not like they have a better option at 3rd within the system, and Edmonds is keeping CF warm for Rasmus in '09. They're both still very solid defensively, and can perform better than replacement level at the plate. Any trade involving either will most likely result in eating the majority of the salary and only mid-tier prospects in return, so they may as well roll the dice that Rolen's shoulder is better and that Edmonds has another .800 OPS season in the tank.If anything, I would be selling my eroding parts for 10 cents on the dollar, and that means Edmonds and Scott Rolen.
Cards have deal in place to trade Edmonds
By Joe Strauss
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
12/14/2007
The earth moved beneath Busch Stadium on Friday night as a flashy local era concluded.
The Cardinals have reached agreement on a trade sending former All-Star center fielder Jim Edmonds and cash to the San Diego Padres for a minor-league prospect believed to be 24-year-old third baseman and Lafayette High alum David Freese.
The teams are expected to announce the deal today, pending approval by the commissioner’s office. Such approval is typically only a formality, but is required when cash considerations of more than $1 million are involved in a trade.
The move, hinted at earlier this month when sources confirmed that Edmonds had agreed to relinquish his no-trade leverage if dealt to a Southern California team, suggests the Cardinals have accelerated their move to greater payroll flexibility. Leading prospect Colby Rasmus will receive the opportunity to jump next spring from Double-A to Edmonds’ vacated position.
Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak declined comment Friday night; however, sources close to the situation said Edmonds consented to the move without receiving compensation for waiving his no-trade privilege.
Edmonds, the longest-tenured Cardinal, will receive $8 million next season in the second installment of a two-year, $19 million contract signed in November 2006 after he filed for free agency.
Trading Edmonds allows the club greater fiscal flexibility as it intensifies a search for additional starting pitching.
Mozeliak and Padres general Kevin Towers intensified talks Friday afternoon after talks broke down between the Padres and free agent center fielder Mike Cameron. The Padres informed the Cardinals earlier this month of their interest in Edmonds as a fallback in case they could not acquire Japanese League outfielder Kosuke ####odome or Cameron. ####odome agreed to terms with the Chicago Cubs earlier in the week.
The Cardinals’ willingness to eat a portion of Edmonds’ contract while receiving a player unlikely to impact next season’s major-league roster suggests the franchise’s shift from a renovation to reconstruction.
Edmonds’ career has fallen into steep decline since he finished fourth in 2004 National League MVP balloting. Then, he formed one leg of the franchise’s dangerous MV3 that also included third baseman Scott Rolen and first baseman Albert Pujols. Rolen requested the team seek a trade for him shortly after manager Tony La Russa accepted a two-year contract to return.
After undergoing right shoulder and foot surgery prior to last season, Edmonds became a virtual non-factor in spring training, then endured his least productive season as a Cardinal. Edmonds hit .252 with 12 home runs and 53 RBIs in 117 games. His batting average, runs scored, home run and RBI totals had declined each of the last three seasons.
Edmonds, 37, endured a 24-game homer-less stretch that lasted 86 at-bats. He also landed on the disabled list from June 16-July 18 because of a lower back condition. He went without an RBI from June 9-July 28.
At his best, Edmonds dazzled the Cardinals’ fan base for much of his eight seasons here. His best season may have been 2004 as the club won 105 games and powered to its first World Series since 1987. Edmonds hit .301 with 42 home runs and 111 RBI and 102 runs scored while hitting behind Pujols. He also contributed a career-best .643 slugging percentage and captured a Gold Glove.
Maybe they are going to give Rasmus a shot at CF. I'm hoping the Edmonds trade is to free up salary so they can get some more pitching.People, remember these two words:Brian Barton
It'd be quite a jump from AA to the Majors, IMO. If he plays well in AAA, though, we'll see him sometime in 2008. He's the goods.In the meantime, I agree. DeWitt better not pocket the money.curta269 said:Maybe they are going to give Rasmus a shot at CF. I'm hoping the Edmonds trade is to free up salary so they can get some more pitching.MrPhoenix said:People, remember these two words:Brian Barton
Cardinals fans apparently don't know this, never seeing position players promoted from the minors to the big league squad and all, but it almost seems the rule more than the exception now for position players to make the jump from AA to the majors rather than putzing around in AAA. Hell, half the Diamondbacks roster last year came up from AA. I know it was their stated preference at one point to give Rasmus another year, but he should be given every chance in spring training to show whether or not he can make the leap now.It'd be quite a jump from AA to the Majors, IMO. If he plays well in AAA, though, we'll see him sometime in 2008. He's the goods.In the meantime, I agree. DeWitt better not pocket the money.Maybe they are going to give Rasmus a shot at CF. I'm hoping the Edmonds trade is to free up salary so they can get some more pitching.People, remember these two words:Brian Barton
shouldn't that read "Edmonds now patrolling CF in San Diego"?***Official Cardinals Offseason Thread***Edmonds not patrolling CF in San Diego
Thanks, I really need to practice my typing!This is correct now until he gets hurt in May and goes on the D.L.shouldn't that read "Edmonds now patrolling CF in San Diego"?***Official Cardinals Offseason Thread***Edmonds not patrolling CF in San Diego
:golfclap:I'm not certain Edmonds makes it into the season on the roster. I'm not saying it'll happen, but if they could move him it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.Probably. I think Barden takes care of the OF concern, but anything more than Josh Fogg and I'll crap an egg.So, they're going to act like they're planning to do something on the trade front, probably make a low-ball offer to Rowand, and then tab a rehab project or Fogg to slide into the back of the rotation.According to St. Louis Post Dispatch writer Joe Strauss, who's covering the Winter Meetings:
Strauss suggests the chances of Scott Rolen being traded are around 20%. Tony La Russa might be able to co-exist with him, even if they don't like each other. Still, the Milwaukee talks may be revisited.Strauss believes the Cards are sniffing around on Erik Bedard. MLB.com's Jim Molony spoke of their interest yesterday.The Cardinals are revisiting Miguel Tejada.The Cards have their eye on a free agent outfielder and a free agent starter and are heightening interest.
Watch it, this guy was HOT property 7 years ago.IN before St. Louisans start comparing him with Tony Womack favorably.
He has more talent than Miles, and that is who I am guessing he replaces. Once again, it is going to be a long summer for Cardinals fans.Watch it, this guy was HOT property 7 years ago.IN before St. Louisans start comparing him with Tony Womack favorably.