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** Official Chicago Bears Offseason thread ** (1 Viewer)
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Barring an unexpected drop, creating a value pick for the Bears, I expect them to take Jeff Otah. He's considered to be a good run blocker, and the Bears have made it known that their main goal is to re-establish their run game. He is inexperienced, and I do question if he's quick enough to play a tackle spot so this pick does come with questions, but the Bears are in dire need for an OT.I am holding out hope we can move down from #14 and maybe drop in the low 20's, to pick up an extra pick or two, but given their need and the expected availablity of Otah, this seems way too easy for the Bears to just take a OT from that spot.From there, I expect a RB in Round 2 (possibly a QB if someone falls), and then whatever they don't take in Round 2 (between a QB/RB) and then best player available with the 2nd pick in that round. I would not be upset if they took two offensive lineman in the first three rounds.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I think the same thing but, as someone else said, having 4 rb's on the roster doesn't seem that likely. And they're definitely not cutting Benson or Peterson. WTH knows with the Bears though. I've never understand much of what they do.
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sholditch
Footballguy
I don't see any reason why anyone should give up on Wolfe, and also don't see any reason that they can't carry 4 RBs. I think Wolfe is someone who could make a difference as a returner and a COP back. I think it's a little premature to say he has no place on our team. That being said I didn't like the pick and still don't, especially when a potential franchise back was still on the board. But there's no reason to talk about cutting him. If anyone should be cut, it should be Benson.
Rounders
Footballguy
Well they have better get up to #5 to get him. I could see the Bears waiting and seeing how the draft unfolds and if he starts to slip they make a move.
sholditch
Footballguy
:X Oh please God no. Ryan is going to be nothing special and you can get the same player in Flacco or Brohm a round later. Please God, no. The only player the Bears should consider trading up for is Jake Long. Miami wants out of the first, we've got cap room to sign the no. 1 and picks in the third to compensate. GOD, IF YOU ARE OUT THERE, PLEASE DO NOT LET THE BEARS DRAFT RYAN.
RBM
Footballguy
I like Ryan, but we have too many holes to be trading up. We need all the picks we can get
Would a 1st and 3rd be enough ?
If anything, I prefer trading down to get as many possible picks as possible in the first 3-4 rounds. Bring in 5 or 6 young offensive players to go with what they have currently.
I don't like any of the top QB's in this draft.
:X Oh please God no. Ryan is going to be nothing special and you can get the same player in Flacco or Brohm a round later. Please God, no. The only player the Bears should consider trading up for is Jake Long. Miami wants out of the first, we've got cap room to sign the no. 1 and picks in the third to compensate. GOD, IF YOU ARE OUT THERE, PLEASE DO NOT LET THE BEARS DRAFT RYAN.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I do not see picking Ryan a bad thing by itself but traded up to get him is just moronic. There will be options in the 2nd to go QB and get about the same value as Ryan. There is no reason to make this move if you are the Bears. There entire offense is in need for new players with the exception of TE, why would you give up picks to move up for a QB that is not head and shoulders better than what you can get in the 2nd? Makes no sense.sholditch said:
sholditch
Footballguy
None of them, including Ryan, are first-round material. I honestly think that if any of them make themselves into anything special in the pros, it wll be either Flacco or one taken in the third or later. If all three were available I would take Flacco, then Brohm, then Ryan, and not a single one before round 2.Spiderman said:I don't like any of the top QB's in this draft.sholditch said:
Bob Lee Swagger
Footballguy
Exactly. I think they have just as good a chance of striking gold with guys like Kevin O'Connell, Josh Johnson, or Dennis Dixon in the later rounds as they do taking someone like Brohm, Henne, or Flacco early. In the later rounds we have more protection because we're not breaking the bank on an unsure thing and we're not committed for too long. Don't use a Day One pick on a QB when you can have someone who grades out 5 points worse in the 5th round. Use the high picks on players that have more value.None of them, including Ryan, are first-round material. I honestly think that if any of them make themselves into anything special in the pros, it wll be either Flacco or one taken in the third or later. If all three were available I would take Flacco, then Brohm, then Ryan, and not a single one before round 2.Spiderman said:I don't like any of the top QB's in this draft.sholditch said:
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Yuck. If anything, trade up in the second to assure yourself one of Brohm, Flacco or Henne.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
This draft is so deep a O-line, I'd be ok with that. I like Flacco better, but whatever, as long as they get a qb.....
Max Power
Footballguy
Not to mention we might get a late second or early third depending how far down we drop. I really like TB as a trade partner. 14 would be a nice spot for TB to add one of the top 3 RBs or the top WR on their board.
RBM
Footballguy
I see only 4 qbs in this draft that are worth drafting AT ALL. If we dont land one of those top 4 guys, Id rather not waste a pick on a qb this year.
Also think the 4 are extremely close and I really wouldnt mind getting any of them. Dont want to be trading up and giving up picks to do so though, so that pretty much rules Ryan out unless he miraculously falls. In the 2nd, Id be just fine with any of Brohm, Flacco or Henne (in that order)
Also think the 4 are extremely close and I really wouldnt mind getting any of them. Dont want to be trading up and giving up picks to do so though, so that pretty much rules Ryan out unless he miraculously falls. In the 2nd, Id be just fine with any of Brohm, Flacco or Henne (in that order)
twistd
Footballguy
I would certainly do that. I can't imagine that the Cards would do that. Boldin is a much younger player and has the potential to be a Pro Bowler. Urlacher probably has three or four years at best. I can imagine them doing this and including a first round draft pick.
twistd
Footballguy
I agree. I don't think there is enough difference between Ryan and the other three to justify a steep price to move up.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Not that I can recall. Don't expect it to happen either.
RexGrossman Fan
Footballguy
They've been a losing franchise for the last 20 years,yet, they never seem to change things. While everyone else is using the FA market, what are they doing? Not a damn thing. Just the same old garbage with resigning their on players and drafting the rest. HEY BEARS! IT'S A DIFFERENT ERA NOW. IF YOU WANT TO COMPETE, YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME EVERYONE IS PLAYING, NOT THE SAME OLD SONG YOU'VE BEEN SINGING SINCE FA BEGAN. GIVE IT UP ALREADY OR DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY AND COMPETE.
I'm obviously very pissed off about the team's predicament and how the organization is sitting on their damn hands as usual. Do something different. This approach hasn't worked in 20 years you baffoons. :X
I'm obviously very pissed off about the team's predicament and how the organization is sitting on their damn hands as usual. Do something different. This approach hasn't worked in 20 years you baffoons. :X
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RBM
Footballguy
Yea, pretty much.I am still in shock that we didnt sniff one of the young guards that were available this offseason. That one year we made the splash with TJ and Tait and it was successful. Friggin nothing since...They've been a losing franchise for the last 20 years,yet, they never seem to change things. While everyone else is using the FA market, what are they doing? Not a damn thing. Just the same old garbage with resigning their on players and drafting the rest. HEY BEARS! IT'S A DIFFERENT ERA NOW. IF YOU WANT TO COMPETE, YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME EVERYONE IS PLAYING, NOT THE SAME OLD SONG YOU'VE BEEN SINGING SINCE FA BEGAN. GIVE IT UP ALREADY OR DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY AND COMPETE. I'm obviously very pissed off about the team's predicament and how the organization is sitting on their damn hands as usual. Do something different. This approach hasn't worked in 20 years you baffoons.
Max Power
Footballguy
another clipping about the Bears and Henne in rd 1 
Maybe JA likes the value of some OL in rd2. I can't blame him. I dont think Baker or Nicks are much if any of a drop off from Otah or Williams.ETA: Because I am bored...lets talk possible teams interested in a trade up with Chicago. As I mentioned before I like TB moving up if a top RB is still available. Have to throw in ATL just because of the 2nd round ammo they have this season. Philly has been mentioned as wanting to move up. Maybe Sea, I'm not sure what they need, but being Holmgren's last season why not move up and get a playmaker.
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Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Maybe a team like the Steelers? They need O-line help and they'd likely have a nice choice of Williams or Otah at 14.I'd prefer they take Flacco, but I could live with Henne.Max Power said:another clipping about the Bears and Henne in rd 1
Maybe JA likes the value of some OL in rd2. I can't blame him. I dont think Baker or Nicks are much if any of a drop off from Otah or Williams.ETA: Because I am bored...lets talk possible teams interested in a trade up with Chicago. As I mentioned before I like TB moving up if a top RB is still available. Have to throw in ATL just because of the 2nd round ammo they have this season. Philly has been mentioned as wanting to move up. Maybe Sea, I'm not sure what they need, but being Holmgren's last season why not move up and get a playmaker.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
How would Bears fans feel about this?
at 14 the Bears take the best available OT....Chris Williams, Otah, Clady.
Then they trade their second rounder and the late third rounder to move up and take Gosder Cherilus.
That would give them two very talented OT's.
Then they could take the Best Available...QB/RB with the early third round pick.
at 14 the Bears take the best available OT....Chris Williams, Otah, Clady.
Then they trade their second rounder and the late third rounder to move up and take Gosder Cherilus.
That would give them two very talented OT's.
Then they could take the Best Available...QB/RB with the early third round pick.
Rounders
Footballguy
Not bad, but I could see them doing this:Bears give #14 (1100 Pick value) to Dallas for #22 & #61 (1072 Pick Value)Bears grab Henne at 22 (which is too early IMO) and then use the 2nd's on a RB and OT.
sholditch
Footballguy
That scenario is what I would like to see.
The Henne thing will be another disaster. How many times do we have to get burned by Michigan players? Anthony Thomas, David Terrell...it's got to end. Henne is not any more worth a first-round pick than he was four weeks ago. Stick with the 14 spot and draft best available OT. Then maybe use one of the thirds to move up in the second and get more help on the OL.
The Henne thing will be another disaster. How many times do we have to get burned by Michigan players? Anthony Thomas, David Terrell...it's got to end. Henne is not any more worth a first-round pick than he was four weeks ago. Stick with the 14 spot and draft best available OT. Then maybe use one of the thirds to move up in the second and get more help on the OL.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
Bryan Cox, Thomas Smith, Phillip Daniels, John Tait, Blake Brockermeyer, Tom Carter, Edgar Bennett, Ricardo McDonald, Vinson Smith, Ruben Brown, Fred Miller, Ted Washington, Keith Traylor, Eddie Kennison, Ricky Manning Jr, and Kordell Stewart.These are all of the bigger time FA's that the Bears have brought in(that I could think of) in the modern salary cap era. How many of them panned out the way they were suppost to? Very few.RexGrossman said:They've been a losing franchise for the last 20 years,yet, they never seem to change things. While everyone else is using the FA market, what are they doing? Not a damn thing. Just the same old garbage with resigning their on players and drafting the rest. HEY BEARS! IT'S A DIFFERENT ERA NOW. IF YOU WANT TO COMPETE, YOU HAVE TO PLAY THE GAME EVERYONE IS PLAYING, NOT THE SAME OLD SONG YOU'VE BEEN SINGING SINCE FA BEGAN. GIVE IT UP ALREADY OR DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO TRY AND COMPETE. I'm obviously very pissed off about the team's predicament and how the organization is sitting on their damn hands as usual. Do something different. This approach hasn't worked in 20 years you baffoons.
RBM
Footballguy
Dont want to give up picks at all in this draft.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I understand that....but you reach a point of where you need QUALITY OL prospects instead of the late round ones they generally bring in....note Columbo did pan out....just a freak injury.I think drafting a WR or QB or RB...before obtaining three good OL prospects is a waste....we currently don't have a LG or RT(of note) and our RG is Garza(nothing to scream home about) Tait is an average LT.Do you want to throw these young skill position players to the wolves? See the Bears offense last season.Look at what great OL's can do for RB's....Denver(all of those 1000 yard RB's), the Redskins(portis gets hurt and Ladell Betts is awesome), Pittsburgh (Bettis was amazing and then an UDFA Willie Parker becomes one of the better RB's in the league, the Giants had success with 4 different RB's last season, the Vikings could run with Chester Taylor or ADP and be successful.OLINE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT GROUP ON OFFENSE....ask Brady if that mattered in the Super Bowl.
Max Power
Footballguy
IMO unless Clady or Albert are there at 14, there is no value at OL in rd1. The next 5 or so prospects all grade out nearly the same. Each team will have its favorite of the bunch. Personally I don't think any are worthy of 14. Might as well drop down and add another pick in the first 3 rounds. There are so many needs on this team right now.
The more I think about it, no way the Bears take Henne in RD1. How does that help this team get better? We would still have major OL/RB/WR problems. Yet now we would have a QB who will not see the field this season. Bears would have to admit they are now in total rebuilding mode.
The more I think about it, no way the Bears take Henne in RD1. How does that help this team get better? We would still have major OL/RB/WR problems. Yet now we would have a QB who will not see the field this season. Bears would have to admit they are now in total rebuilding mode.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
That you've read....have you seen the kid play? He has less power but more agility/speed than Benson.
3nOut
Footballguy
OK, I think this is the way I'd like to see the Bears draft go:
1. Best OL available. If there was a huge run at OL and there is not good value there (but there should be), I wouldn't mind a trade down to pick up more picks (we need them).
2. QB. Henne? Will he last? Flacco? Both Rex and Orton have one year deals. If either falters, the new QB has one year to pick up the offense. If either one works out, he can sit and learn more and provide 'competition' to the incumbent QB.
3a. WR. We need one and it takes a year or so for WRs to get a good grasp of the offense.
3b. Safety? Also a need. or an other OL.
Depending on who's available, maybe WR rounds 2 and a QB round 3?
I think the Bears can manage with Benson for another year, especially if the OLine improves. We still have Peterson and Wolfe. I say we hold off on RBs this year and wait for other decent players to drop to us while other teams scramble for RBs. If ther really is depth at the RB position this year (in the draft), then there will be more teams next year that will not be looking to fill that position. We can probably get good value at RB next year. Who will be the best prospects next year?
1. Best OL available. If there was a huge run at OL and there is not good value there (but there should be), I wouldn't mind a trade down to pick up more picks (we need them).
2. QB. Henne? Will he last? Flacco? Both Rex and Orton have one year deals. If either falters, the new QB has one year to pick up the offense. If either one works out, he can sit and learn more and provide 'competition' to the incumbent QB.
3a. WR. We need one and it takes a year or so for WRs to get a good grasp of the offense.
3b. Safety? Also a need. or an other OL.
Depending on who's available, maybe WR rounds 2 and a QB round 3?
I think the Bears can manage with Benson for another year, especially if the OLine improves. We still have Peterson and Wolfe. I say we hold off on RBs this year and wait for other decent players to drop to us while other teams scramble for RBs. If ther really is depth at the RB position this year (in the draft), then there will be more teams next year that will not be looking to fill that position. We can probably get good value at RB next year. Who will be the best prospects next year?
Rounders
Footballguy
That's a big leap of faith....
I think, if they stay at #14, OL is going to be the pick. They may have their choice of Jeff Otah or Chris Williams, and, although both have questions, they both do fill an immediate hole at RT. I just hope they can step right in and contribute though it's probably unrealistic to expect consistent play right away. I would love to move down and get one of these guys in the low 20's, but they probably would only make that move if they were comfortable with who else may be around should one of these lineman not be.In the 2nd round, I think we're going to see a RB, and it will be either that round or the first pick in Round 3.
In the 3rd round, I would like to add another OL, but realize they may add a QB in this round so that will probably have to wait.
Defensively, don't look for too much help here. They may add another safety or DT in the draft, but I don't think anything gets added until at least Round 4.
Again, though, I would love to move down in the draft about 10 spots, pick up at least one more pick and just add as many young offensive players to this rebuilding process as possible.
I think any RB can play better behind an improved line, but they need to bring in somebody to challenge Benson. We can't assume that the light is going to turn on because he doesn't look to be a game breaker, often falling on first contact, without any great moves, and now coming off a knee injury.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
If Jake Long, Albert, Clady, Williams, and Otah are all gone at pick 14.
What should the Bears do?
Pick Mendenhall?
They could....but I would drop down to about 19(Eagles would love to move up to get a DE)
Stockpile some more picks....so they can draft more for need and address more holes on offense.
If they would then go with Mendenhall, then I would follow that with three straight Oline picks.
WR in the 4th.
Then get O'Connell in the 5th for a QB.
What should the Bears do?
Pick Mendenhall?
They could....but I would drop down to about 19(Eagles would love to move up to get a DE)
Stockpile some more picks....so they can draft more for need and address more holes on offense.
If they would then go with Mendenhall, then I would follow that with three straight Oline picks.
WR in the 4th.
Then get O'Connell in the 5th for a QB.
identikit
Footballguy
As if Jake Long ever had a chance of falling to 1.14, never mind he's been signed already
sholditch
Footballguy
You would think so but I'm afraid that just makes too much sense for the Bears. They wouldn't want to crush Ced's fragile ego by giving themselves a better chance to win games.
Max Power
Footballguy
I don't think Alexander has "it" anymore. He was a stud running behind one of the best lines in the NFL. Once Hutch left he was never the same force. I don't see the Bears showing much interest. On the other hand I am very high on Kevin Jones. I think he would bring so much to the table for this offense. Sure injuries are a concern, but hey we are rolling with Mike Brown again...I never did see if Musa Smith signed anywhere, I was very high on him when the off-season started. Put Musa in the right situation and you have yourself a 1,000 yard rusher.
